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I feel somewhat vindicated by last night. I took a lot of criticism for still believing in this team and for thinking we actually had a chance last night. While I am disappointed that this feels like a missed opportunity for a huge win, mostly because the officials just whistled a foul on me for thinking about Jared Sullinger in a negative light, I am encouraged that we came back out and finally started playing Purdue basketball again.

It's about damn time.

Unfortunately, it means nothing if we don't continue playing that kind of tough basketball. As mentioned in the pregame, we played a team-oriented offense where people were moving without the basketball and getting open. That led to Kelsey Barlow famously teabagging Sullinger on one play because we cleared space for him instead of standing around on the perimeter. It also led to others getting involved. Sandi Marcius had an easy dunk if he is not fouled (which the officials were extremely reluctant to call). Jacob Lawson had a dunk on a nice cut. Lewis Jackson and GDB got to the rim against one of the best defensive teams in the country. We turned Aaron Craft into a whiny, frustrated turnstile.

It is not like we shot lights out, either. We were only 52% from the field, which is good, but not "everything is falling". We were 11 of 19 from three, but D.J. Byrd was 7 of 9, meaning the rest of the team was 4 of 10 (a much more conservative clip). There is little question the offense was good enough because we finally attacked instead of going conservative. We went right at them, and it paid off.

Star-divide

The difference was on the defensive end. First, you have to tip your cap to William Buford. He did what excellent senior players do in going out to win that game. Despite everything going for Ohio State, it was still tied 73-73 when he hit three dagger shots on that critical 7-0 run with just over four minutes left. He also recovered the critical loose ball with us down five and under a minute to go. That led to a breakaway dunk that all but sealed the game.

The rest of the game had some major defensive issues for us. Again, we failed to rotate out on the three-pointer, turning a team that doesn't shoot a lot from outside into a good one. Buford hit three, Lenzelle Smith Jr. hit two, Deshaun Thomas hit two. Even Sullinger hit one. Folks, we should NEVER allow a guy like Jared Sullinger to shoot a three. That is a defensive failure.

Of course, part of that comes from not being allowed to play defense on a guy like Sullinger. I counted at least four times last night that he got the ball and either lowered a shoulder or swung an elbow into the chest of a defender to create space. Travis Carroll was a victim all night. He had good position and solid defense, but there is literally nothing you can do when you're standing straight up, arms in the air, and Sullinger barrels into you, but you're called for a foul. Lawson was also a victim, as Sullinger twice went over the back on a critical rebound (no call) only to have Byrd called for his fourth foul in the scrum for the loose ball (ridiculous). Lawson also took a swinging elbow to the chest in the first half, only to be called for a foul.

The reaction was there on Twitter, too. Kids, we're getting screwed when Indiana fans and Doug freakin' Gottlieb say the officiating is terrible. Examples:

Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow

New rule--Stand straight up vs Sully and foul on U--ComeON refs

Greg Compton @ReelCompton (A very good friend and IU fan)

@HammerAndRails since Ohio's Thug Life, ya gotta play Bitch Please defense

It went that way all night. At least three of Carroll's fouls were of the touch variety, where the refs practically went over to check on poor Sullinger to make sure he was okay because that meanie Travis Carroll had the audacity to play defense on him. Dan Dakich's five minute diatribe about getting a make up call on one of the fouls actually called on Sullinger only made the situation more ridiculous.

On the other end, LewJack was practically thrown into the basket support late in the game and there was no call. How bad was it? Mike Tirico didn't believe there was no call. Of course, you know everything you need to know about Sullinger when his 6'9" 265 pound frame crashed into a pick set by the 5'9" 165 pound LewJack. Both go crashing to the ground, and the foul gets called on Sully. LewJack gets up and hits his free throws. Sully tucked his tail between his legs and went to the bench hurt. Poor baby!

Folks, you guys know I don't complain about officiating. There are bad calls in every game, but in 99% of basketball games the officiating isn't biased enough to make a difference. Against Indiana on Saturday we couldn't breathe on Cody Zeller without getting called for a foul, but that wasn't the difference. Purdue shooting 21 of 71 from the field at home was the difference. If we shoot a merely bad 31 of 71 we win the game with ease.

The fouls ended up being 25-16 in favor of OSU. Of those about 3 were at the end when we were fouling to stop the clock. They had nine more free throw attempt. That doesn't take into account defensive adjustments that led to easy baskets once it was decided we were not allowed to play defense without fouling. Some people continued to rip on Carroll last night, but these are people that don't notice what he is doing away from the ball. I felt he did an excellent job last night once it was decided he was going to have to play with four fouls and he would get called for another if he happened to be in the same area code when Sully got the ball on the block.

The rebounding was 31-21 after being tied at the half, but again, there isn't a lot you can do about that when Lawson has position only to suddenly be weighed down by the new Jansport model Sullinger backpack.

Going forward, I am at least encouraged. We showed a lot of fight last night and we win that game without a huge assist from the refs. Even then, we were right there until William Buford went out and won it for them with baby Sully on the bench. If we have this kind of fight in the final seven games I am confident we can get the wins necessary to get into the NCAA Tournament.

By my estimation we need at least four to have a chance, while five wins probably locks us in. If we get five more wins before the Big Ten Tournament we're definitely in, while four plus a win in Indy (depending on who it comes against) would leave us in a very good position. Saturday is an absolute must win at home against Northwestern. Lose it, and we're done unless we spring a ton of upsets. The same is true for the remaining home games against Penn State and Nebraska. We cannot lose those under any circumstances.

As for the fourth win, I am looking at the trip to Illinois as the most likely place for it. We've already beaten them by 15 and they are as inconsistent as we are. Painter's teams usually play well there, too. With a similar effort to last night I wouldn't totally rule out winning at Michigan or even Indiana. The home game against Michigan State is certainly a possible win too with a similar effort. We'd better get it before going to Bloomington because I would much rather have that final game as chance to improve our position than as one we absolutely need to have.

What is critical is replicating last night's effort. That means team-oriented offense where we attack the basket. Everyone has to get involved. We have to keep good GDB, who was excellent last night. Byrd doesn't need to score 24, but he needs to be a consistent double figures scorer. Our free throw shooting was good (for us) but the problem was that the misses were at critical times. Ryne Smith missed two of three when fouled on a three, while byrd, Terone Johnson, and Carroll had key splits where we could have really used both. Still, we were 68% on the night, which is actually an improvement.

Most of all, I liked Carroll, Lawson, and Marcius coming in to the basket on screen and rolls. That is an effective play and it led to a Lawson dunk, a near Marcius dunk, and a Carroll free throw line trip. We should look for that at least 5 times per game.

The offense is working again because everyone is moving without the basketball, setting screens, and flashing to the basket. to those still criticizing Painter, the renewed offensive movement is a result of his coaching.He was still criticized for sitting Byrd for 8 minutes of the second half last night, but I am fine with it. 1. Byrd had four fouls. 2. Byrd can't rebound to save his life. 3. He only had three points in the first 12 minutes of the half anyway.

If we're allowed to play defense again it might even mean some wins against good teams the rest of the way. As long as the offense keeps working like this (and we showed we can be a solid offensive team) we'll at least have a chance the rest of the way. That's all you can ask for.

Last night I got greedy. Just competing is not enough. It's time to go win. Beat Northwestern, Nebraska, and Penn State at home. Give Michigan State fits and see what happens. Beat an inconsistent Illinois team for a sweep. Get some payback for losing close home games to Michigan and Indiana. We can do this.

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Please, Please, Please!

keep Smith out of the starting lineup. I love that Ryne Smith gives it his all and can hit the 3 but he just shouldn’t be starting.

From here on out the starting lineup needs to be:

Lewis Jackson
Kelsey Barlow
D.J. Byrd
Robbie Hummel
Jacob Lawson

by Boiler00 on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

Smith was just as effective

off the bench as he is as a starter. nearly identical stats last night as his season avg. for minutes, points, rebounds.

by Boiler00 on Feb 8, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I’d rather have Smith coming off the bench and firing away from deep.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

that would even still be a taller lineup

than what Missouri uses. I can’t believe their starting 5 is:

5’10"
6’2"
6’3"
6’6"
6’8"
and they only play 7 but mostly 6. Their 6th man is 6’1" and their 7th is 6’9". Maybe small ball works better if you hit a good percentage of your shots. I do think the starting lineup I proposed would hit a higher percentage than our season avg.

by Boiler00 on Feb 9, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

the difference is their 6'8" kid (Ricardo Ratliffe)

is an absolute monster in the post. He is having a similar season to Tyler Zeller while giving up 3 inches. He’s the 9th best offensive player in the nation statistically, has the best eFG% and true shooting % in the country, blocks 4% of the possessions he is in the game, and rebounds 14.2% of offensive rebounding opportunities and 18.6% of defensive opportunities. The dude is a meast (man/beast) and a true post player.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 9, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, thanks for the info

I don’t get to watch many other games than Purdue’s so I didn’t realize that. I knew they had to have all around better athletes to pull that off.

by Boiler00 on Feb 9, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Officiating.

There were definitely a couple head scratchers, but I didn’t think it was so bad as to overshadow the game. I did think Painter needed to reinsert Marcius at some point. Even though I thought Carroll played pretty good defense…I wanted to see if Marcius could continue to disrupt the feeds and get open for dunk oppurtunities. It never happened. Also Byrd came back in a minute or two too late in my opinion. Good game plan though, we really exploited everything we could.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

I felt the same way

though only caught the second half of the game. Both ways the officiating was pretty bad with a slight advantage to Ohio State. Sullinger got the Sullinger treatment but Purdue was getting off with some pretty “physical” defense on the perimeter. Add in the LewJack nut shot to Sullinger being a foul on Sullinger that ended his night(which was offensive if anything) and I say Purdue only got screwed by the officiating and not royally screwed.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

it was a lot worse in the first half

The second half was different because we had to adjust to the “We’re getting whistle if we even touch them” element that was there in the first half.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The worst in my mind in the first half

Lawson got whistled for a foul when Sullinger bulldozed him into a screen and just stood there sandwiching Lawson. How that could be a hold on Lawson, I have no idea.

Lord, jager me strength.

by doublegoldandblack on Feb 8, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It was an initial hold by Lawson at the screen, the bulldozing was after the foul and I guess to force the refs to call something.

by mastertim on Feb 9, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

how do you figure that was offensive on Lewjack?

Sully did not establish a position, he was sliding over to cut him off. LewJack did not extend an arm or lower a shoulder (his shoulders actually only reach Sully’s mid-section when attacking on the dribble).
Anyway, you cannot tell me that Carrol didn’t get the shaft on at least two called on him. Arms straight up the whole time. In the end it was Bufford winning it so not sure those calls lost it for us.

by BoilerGOZ on Feb 8, 2012 9:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Agreed!

No way that is on Lew! If you are not set and no shoulder was dropped, the foul is on the D- especially 30 feet from the goal!

by boilergal on Feb 8, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I took it as a dropped shoulder

but I guess 5’9" against 6’9" would put him about at that level. I’ll concede that.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

try 5'9" on a new york phone book

he’s 5’7" at best. I’ve stood next to him before and I’m barely 6’ tall.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Feb 8, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

Carroll did get a couple bad calls, but I expect at least a couple like that each game. Offensive player who initiates contact gets benefit of the doubt, happens every game. Nothing new. It was definitely a block on Sully vs Lewjack, good call. Sully was still throwing his wide hips out there.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

unless you're Sullenger

He also winds up that elbow and buries it in a chest too.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 9, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

my favorite call of the night was on lawson

He got sandwiched between sullinger and craft, had nowhere to go, and they just smashed him, then proceeded to continue smashing until the ref blew the whistle….. on the guy getting smashed. How dare he insert himself between the Sullinger and Craft man-love?

by AAMB Boiler on Feb 8, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

At first...

I thought the same thing, but when I went back to look at it. Lawson did stick his arm out to hold sully back at the screen. Sully just continued to exaggerate it way after the foul.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Your assessment is fair - officiating was equally poor on both sides

…which, as a visiting team, I am actually quite happy.

My biggest complaint on the official was that TC got called fouls on Sullinger many times when he had both arms up all the way. Lawson also got called foul when he, Sullinger, Ryne and Craft all ran into each other. But there have been worse (any touch on Zeller was a foul), and we did get away with playing physical to them so I say it’s a wash.

We did get screwed when they called Byrd for his 4th foul instead of Ryne Smith (who was really the person doing the fouling), but that’s a screw-up not a biased call.

As for the LewJack “nut shot” to Sullinger, I thought Sullinger hasn’t established posn. But considering we usually get royally screwed and we are the visiting team, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was called the other way.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that is a Sullinger treatment thing

as most of Zeller’s fouls he picks up are in the similar fashion. It just appears that according to B1G officiating the offensive player has free reign to initiate whatever contact he would like as long as defender doesn’t have his feet set.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree with Doug Gottlieb on this one
Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow

New rule—Stand straight up vs Sully and foul on U—ComeON refs

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And according to your definition

Then LewJack’s “nut shot” to Sullinger is definitely a defensive foul no doubt b/c Sullinger doesn’t have his feet set.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

I didn’t see the replays and just watched it in full speed. Thought LewJack lowered the shoulder but was convinced otherwise above.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

How about DJ's 4th foul

it wasn’t even on him. It was on Smith. That hurt along with Smith missing two of his three free throws. Overall it was a good game for the Boilers. They had trouble putting them away when Craft was on the bench but this shows that they can compete. I like the new starting lineup and I hope Lawson gets some more PT.

by boilerbacker31 on Feb 8, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm bored... A quirk in statistics from last night's game according to Ken Pomeroy

*Purdue jumped from playing the 30th hardest schedule in the nation to the 15th.
*Purdue’s offense, on the back of extremely good 3 point shooting, jumped from 42nd in the nation to 19th.
*Purdue’s defense fell from 62 to 88.
*Purdue made an overall 7 spot jump from 40 to 33, now only 3 spots behind Michigan and 5th in the conference.
*Purdue went from slightly “lucky” on the season to “no luck” good or bad.
*They have faced the 16th most difficult schedule when only factoring offenses played.
*They have faced the 26th most difficult schedule when only defenses played is factored.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

I was screaming for some real fouls

Honestly, if a reffing crew is just going to screw you over all night and call fouls for standing still with your arms up, then you might as well hack someone. At least you make them earn it at the line instead of giving up “and 1” all night long. 5 minutes into the game we knew they were gonna call a foul every time Sullinger attempted a shot, so may as well just hack the crap out of him right? Or just do what Lewis did and shoulder him in the nuts. I don’t like to see players injured, but I confess that made me smile.

by AAMB Boiler on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

but a flesh wound

you can smile about the injury if it obviously isn’t serious. I know a lot of their fans behind their bench were.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

6'8" 215lbs Senior Elephant in the Room

As much as I hate to say this, Hummel needs to get out of his slump before he is allowed to shoot the three at critical junctures in the games. He is shooting less than 26% in conference games. He seems much more effective dribbling in a few steps for a pull-up, which I would like to see more of so he can get his groove back.

by Jim Canes on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Hate to say it

You can tell Hummel is pressing it. Especially at the end of the game. He definately needs to get his groove back.

Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever.

by Zboiler on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Hustlea and Effort

I started watching the game at halftime and I was really surprised to see us tied. I was also really happy to see the hustle that was going on at both ends fo the court. It looked like OSU was getting an awful lot of calls going there way.

The Boilers looked like they were playing their hearts out and back to playing like they did all of last year, hopefully they will continue this effort for the rest of the season.

BTFU!

I root for Purdue and whoever plays IU and Notre Dame

by Jaxboiler on Feb 8, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

Barlow's dunk on SportsCenter

I was sort of , actually, very shocked that Barlow’s dunk only got #10 on Sportscenter this morning.

I root for Purdue and whoever plays IU and Notre Dame

by Jaxboiler on Feb 8, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

If your name isn't Lebron, Dywane (however he spells it), or Blake

Your dunks are useless. No one cares, you’ll take your bottom spot in the Top 10 and like it. -ESPN

P.S. You were mean to Sullinger, we don’t like that either.

by AAMB Boiler on Feb 8, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If you look at the other 9 they showed,

it was easily in the top 3. Snubbed again by EsPN…

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Feb 8, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast

I don’t think we get credit from ESPN based on athletics, but Sportscenter always puts our plays high up in Top 10. Examples: Etwuan’s circus shot over Lighty was #1, Hummel’s put back dunk this season was #1, and John Hart last year had a play where he faked a behind the back pass and went up for a lay-up and either that was #1 or #2. Not a lot of teams get to be that high up on sportscenter, especially for a team that a lot of people think we don’t have elite athletes

by daross9406 on Feb 9, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

How many times was Sullinger injured???

4? 5? I lost track of how many times he was injured… I think if you fake injuries and roll around on the ground that many times in games just to manipulate the refs, the other team gets to hack you all they want. Same goes for Watford and his acting job last Saturday. The refs didn’t call a foul when he was obviously trying to draw one, so he decides to roll around on the ground to fake a serious injury. Its ridiculous, but I guess it works.

by boilergal on Feb 8, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

Agree

College basketball this season is getting really close to European soccer.

by AAMB Boiler on Feb 8, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

dude, he hit his head on the ground so hard his nose started to bleed

I think that’s a legit injury. As for the groin shot, I think all the guys will back me up on this one. Even if it wasn’t that hard of a hit, the fright of it happening is mentally crippling.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed the head hit was legit

but unless he had a concussion real men get back in there with cotton stuffed up there nose.

Sorry, I’ve seen too much Chris Kramer play.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

but didn't he?

That came before the LewJack man check right?

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

After I believe.

Sullinger was still on the bench near the very end of the game, then both he and Byrd came back in for the last minute or two and that’s when he fell and whacked his head.

by herby20 on Feb 8, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

After

It came very late in the game

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Real men?

Holy shit, what a bitchy thing to hate on him for. If you hit your head that hard you would go to the hospital so please, refrain from bitch-made hyperbole about what makes athletes “real men”.

by Onestatewest on Feb 8, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, he was joking.

Fuck off. We welcome opposing fans here, but not when they’re douchebags.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 8, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

At the risk of being called an asshole.

You need to simmer down on the personal attacks. He’s defending his player. I don’t understand how you can hate on him anyways. He smacked his head on the floor and there wasn’t a lot of time left in the game for him to regather himself and go back out. Kramer would have never come back in after nose break event if there was only a minute left in the game.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said a thing about Sullinger.

However, he flipped out about something that was a joke, when he’s a visitor to the site, insulting the site’s owner. That’s totally out of line.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 8, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

no, I wouldn’t. I’ve played basketball for years with a chronic foot condition. It’s extremely painful, but I still play, so I know something about playing with pain.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That last one honestly looked pretty bad.

If you’re nose starts bleeding from your head hitting the floor it’s pretty serious. I was super pissed at the guys I was watching the game with who started cheering and calling Sullinger a bitch. Seeing guys get injured in sports just sucks.

by boilergt on Feb 8, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

byrd

should have been whistled for his 5th foul right then. he was over the back and threw him down.

by speboiler2060 on Feb 8, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

giving Byrd a break on the 4th foul that was not

so Byrd had 4 fouls last night, just some that were called were not fouls and some that were not called were. That’s some Zen-like balance right there.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Although the sequences robs Byrd 8 minutes of PT. But, I wouldn’t put the loss on that. There is no guarantee Byrd will continue shooting lights out.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched the play again

I think the nosebleed came from Byrd’s elbow. Byrd definitely should have been called for his 5th foul there so we caught a break…..for a change.

BTFU and POTFI!!

by Boilerzz94 on Feb 8, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

One legit injury...

That doesn’t make up for all of the acting the rest of the game.

by boilergal on Feb 8, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

DJ Byrd falls over on every three pointer he takes

and you pointed out a few comments down that LewJack does the exact same thing. It’s part of the game. I blame Reggie Miller.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Did Byrd fall over on any 3 pointers last night?

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

three by my count

one (I think the last) he didn’t even have anyone in his face.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I blamed Reggie for Barlows choking gesture too.

by BoilerGOZ on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Hmmm....

Byrd fell once on a 3 last night (he took 9) and it was when Smith, Jr jumped into him. The comment about LewJack is that I really believe that is how he finishes. Can you really tell me that you don’t think Sullinger is ridiculous with the amount of acting he does game in game out?

by boilergal on Feb 8, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It wouldn't bother me so much if he wasn't such a banger on his own terms.

If you wanna be physical (see: elbow hook drop step, aka his only post move), fine. But man up and deal with it when you get bodied back.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 8, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Marcius

I really think he did a great job out there. he seemed to be the only big man we had that could push sullinger off the block. he may not be the fastest but he appears to be our strongest big man and deserved to be in there guarding him in the second half.

by speboiler2060 on Feb 8, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Fully agree.

I did not understand why he wasn’t given more time after his steal and foul draw.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

x2

He has the big body to combat Sully. I wonder why he didn’t get to play more.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

A smart Barlow makes a world of difference.

I love when he attacks, though I have thought he’s forced it sometimes. Didn’t see that last night. He was beating his man most of the time and when he couldn’t he was smart and pulled it out to run the offense.
I was proud of our big men. Not a lot in terms of points but I thought they were all tough against one of the best in the nation. I too would’ve likes to see some more Chooch out there, he had a real nice steal of a post feed in the first half.
If Byrd hasn’t cemented himself in the starting lineup after last night i don’t know what more he has to do. The kid is tough, he’ll do whatever is asked of him, he’s got a good shot and hell bang down low.
Let’s keep Barlow, TJ and Lewjack driving, keep DJ and Ryne spotting up, keep the bigs rolling to the hoop off screens, let Robbie be the glue that we all know he’s best at being and we’ll be fine. BOILER UP!

by BoilerGOZ on Feb 8, 2012 9:49 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Great effort!

We haven’t seen this type of effort much this season. We could have had at least 3 more W’s with an effort like last night.

My observations…

RH- I know that Painter has given him the green light to keep shooting the 3, but I agree with the above poster that he needs to put the brakes on that a bit. I would rather see him get back on track through the flow of the offense and quit forcing shots at key times. At this point, we have better options.

DJB- Speaking of better options, I would have liked to have seen him a couple minutes sooner… He was hitting last night and we needed some offense. He shot the FTs stone cold. It would have been nice to put our best 5 out there down the stretch to really try to get the W.

KB- If he would only play that way every game… we would have lost very few games this season. Perhaps, next season is holding a bit more hope for me if DJ and KB relish being the go-to guys and play as they did last night.

RS- I’d like to see him come off the bench every game.

LJ- I think if Lew would have developed the skill of finishing without falling down every time, the refs might notice when he is falling down because of actual fouls. He also may not be as injured as he is now. I love Lew, but I think hitting the ground on every layup is hurting his game in mulitple ways.

by boilergal on Feb 8, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

agree with most of this

Byrd is developing into the four star talent that he was out of high school. Probably be the go to scorer next year. Some guys just need a little more time out of HS. Byrd is living proof of that. Carroll will probably make a similar step forward next year.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

agree with you here AJ

Nice seeing his talents come to bear some fruit. Could’ve been a year sooner if not for Hummel’s injuries, Byrd has been playing out of position for most of his time at Purdue until this year.

by BoilerGOZ on Feb 8, 2012 10:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I like college basketball

usually if there is a B1G game on I’ll watch it. I see a lot of these guys and have been following recruiting closely for a few years. Especially the Indiana kids. Add in Byrd being a top 100ish recruit and what I haven’t seen on him, I’ve read from a developmental standpoint.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Effort

We play like that the rest of the season, I think we can salvage it. We’ll beat IU at home if we play like that. I agree about Hummel pressing at the end of the game. He shouldn’t feel the burden of winning it. We’re at our best when he’s the 2nd or 3rd option. Dribble drive, penetrate – dunk or dish. It was working all night.

by buddha58 on Feb 8, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Gottleib this morning

@GottliebShow
is 1 the worst and 10 good refs? 2 RT @iwu22: @GottliebShow on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad were the refs in the purdue game?

He’s never got our back so you know it was pretty egregious. My issue is three things:

1) Moving screens are only called above the key anymore. Ravenel absolutely was moving and picked off Barlow on Buford’s first dagger during the 7-0 run.

2) I almost never see over the back called anymore. Did they remove it from the rulebook?

3) It’s like the officials have forgotten the principle of verticality. I bet there were at least 5-6 times last night that Purdue players were vertical and OSU players initiated contact and the foul was called on Purdue.

BTFU and POTFI!!

by Boilerzz94 on Feb 8, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Gottlieb was STILL talking about it this morning.

It wasn’t just a gut reaction post, either. He was seriously pissed.

I shall now prepare the the End Of Days. Nice knowing y’all.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 8, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

over the back is no longer a rule

there must be some sort of contact to prevent a player from obtaining vertical space. If a player can go up and over another player to get a rebound then more power to them.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

i dont think it ever was a rule but just what was picked up from the announcers trying to explain the foul

by Delaware Boiler on Feb 8, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I would assume

Gottlieb is referring to the rule that states the contact being made from over the back would result in a foul. I’m with him. You see so many times players get mauled from behind and no foul called. Byrd was guilty of it on the tip out to LewJack on the play where we are saying he was fouled on the hand on his airball. Sullinger was all over someone (Byrd I think) on that play that resulted in Byrd’s 4th foul I believe.

by Boiler00 on Feb 8, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice picture

I want to see the one of LewJack with the almost airball at the end, that one clearly wasn’t a foul either…

by jffiv on Feb 8, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

That was ridiculous.

And basically could have been a 4 pt swing if Lewjack hit his FTs. That foul pisses me off more than anything.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Clarification

OSU scored 2 pts on that play with an easy basket after getting the ball.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

aww crap!!!

I just picked up another Foul!

Because I just saw a clip of sullinger on ESPN .com.

They were calling everything for him last night. Big 10 refs owe Painter an apology.

BOILERr UP!! Hoosiers DOWN!!

by sixmikey9 on Feb 8, 2012 12:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

and a victory

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by Danulas on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Great effort!

The team’s hustle/determination last night was fantastic to see. The Boilers will do well the rest of the season if they continue playing like they did in this game. Barlow’s dunk over Sullinger was the highlight of the 2011-12 season so far. Here’s hoping we can build on this game and continue to make improvements!

by e2n2purdue86 on Feb 8, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

How I feel about last nights game

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by Danulas on Feb 8, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions   4 recs

Well played

Intarwebz bucks to you, good sir.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed the apostrophe in "night's"

And it is absolutely driving me crazy.

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by Danulas on Feb 8, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Leadership

Barlow and Byrd look like they are ready to lead Purdue next year. Up until now I have been hesitant to say it, but I don’t have a doubt in my mind that they will accept the challenge.

by BTFUswag on Feb 8, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Serious question based on statistical averages and all.

It is probable that Purdue isn’t as as “bad” as a 20 point loss to PSU would lead one to believe.

It us also probable that Purdue isn’t as “good” as last night’s outcome suggests.

What leads you to believe (if you do) that last night’s team performance wasn’t an outlier along the lines of the PSU game?

Not flaming. I’m interested in your take as we still have to come to Mackey.

by MSULaxer27 on Feb 8, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

I would say

it may be an outlier, however there was a different attitude and mindset once the starting lineup was shaken up removing two seniors. Maybe Byrd and Barlow will gain a ton of confidence from this game. That’s our hope anyway. I think the key will be whether Hummel will ever be able to feel like he doesn’t need to shoulder the load. Like others said, we play much better when he is just the glue guy and not the go to guy. They just all need to learn that.

by Boiler00 on Feb 8, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't say that it's absolutely not an outlier.

However, this game shows us exactly why the last few weeks (or more) have been so frustrating for us. This is the kind of basketball that we know this team is capable of day in and day out. It’s what we’ve been longing to see all season. Admittedly, I was starting to think that maybe my expectations have been too high, but after last night, I know they were right where they should have been.

To say we’re encouraged is an understatement. We know the potential is there, we’ve seen it now. Consistency is now the key to a successful rest of the season.

Looking forward to hosting Sparty in Mackey!

by bleedoldgoldandblack on Feb 8, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Good question

It was an outlier compared to what we’ve done so far, but we’re encouraged because it seems like players are becoming confident in their roles. We saw offensive execution where it looked like we knew what we were doing, what we wanted, and were confident about it. It could all be a mirage, but I expect us to certainly carry some of it forward. I think we are almost the only team in the B1G still tinkering their starting lineup almost every game so we have the most room to improve still.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It's an outlier in the fact that it was our best 40 min. of basketball thus far...

But that doesn’t mean it will still be an outlier by the end of the season. There is no question that this teams biggest test will come on Saturday when we play our next game. If we continue our aggressive style of play and get a big victory, then I would say watch out (especially if Rob catches fire (rob please catch fire (like NBA Jam on fire))). If we find ourselves not competing and not playing with any fire or passion… then it’s back to the drawing board. I prefer the former scenario and believe that this team is in the right mindset to accomplish it.

by oser1122 on Feb 8, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Great question

However, I think the Illinois and Minnesota games prove that we are much more likely to be a team like last night rather than bad like the IU and Penn State games. Talented/good teams wouldn’t overachieve that many times IMO. We even saw this during the Xavier game for the first 30 minutes.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

58% 3-pt shooting

is the deifinition of a statistical outlier.

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

They sure played great last night, but...

Prove it to me on the court in consecutive games that the up and down, schizophrenic nature of this team is a thing of the past. As for what we’ve seen on the court so far this season, I’d be happy to see the team last night in half of our remaining games.

Who knows? The optimist in me hopes that maybe Painter found some new way of motivating this bunch of Boilers to give maximum effort, and that he’ll be able to replicate the effort for the rest of the season. The realist in me knows that this team is up and down, Painter has had a difficult time finding the right formula, and I just hope we have more “up” games that “down” games the rest of the way.

The talking heads and bracketologists are predicting no less than 7, and possibly 8 teams from the B1G get dance tickets this year. As long as we stay where we’re at in the B1G standings and win at Illinois, I think our chances of getting in are good. The thing that might end up biting us is not having a marquee win. Illinois has that in their W over aOSU. Minnesota won at Indiana. Iowa won at Wisconsin. Northwestern beat Sparty. We need a W over Michigan, Indiana or Michigan State to feel better about our position to have our name called on Sunday March 11th.

by BoilerBeamer on Feb 8, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Me too!!
I feel somewhat vindicated by last night.

It’s frustrating to hear all these nonsense talks that only a third of our team are D1 players. I’ve been standing up for our players all season long and it gets tiring to see them get thrown under the bus one after the other. Byrd was my vindication last night, as this is what I said about him back in December:

I’d say he’ll be a solid contributor doing all the little things to help the team win come the B1G season. Mark my words.

OK, we didn’t win last night and he did one big thing mostly (making threes) instead of all the little things, but it just feels good to see that my faith in the players is rewarded and validated. Now we just need to keep it up and have a strong finish!

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Compared to 8-40, shooting 52% is close to "everything is falling"
We were only 52% from the field, which is good, but not “everything is falling”.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

52% is 4 points above Purdue's season average

their 3 pt % was 23 points above their average

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

More stats...

Notable Losses Against:

IU
FG (29.6%) 3PT (23.8%)

MSU
FG (29.0%) 3PT ( 15.0%)

PSU
FG (31.9%) 3PT (26.1%)

WISC
FG (34.4%) 3PT (33.3%)

Pretty terrible, especially the comparison between the IU/MSU games.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

If we shoot normal three of those four games are a win. i still don’t think we beat Penn State because our defense there was awful

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I was really surprised at the IU MSU game stat. They were playing tired in the MSU game, and should’ve been well rested for IU. I don’t get it.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure there is anything to "get"

The team has no inside scoring presence….which on most teams helps smooth out the shooting %s by getting a least a reasonable amount of easy baskets in a game.

None of this is going to change anytime this season. When the outside shooting is hot, like last night, they can be in games with anyone. When its not hot, they aren’t going to beat many teams.

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of

We don’t have traditional post up presence, but we are getting paint points by driving.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If you shoot "normal" in the MSU game

you score 61.59 points as opposed to the 58 actual points.

In the Wisconsin game, 61.08 as opposed to the 62 scored.

IU you score, 70.22 as opposed to 61.

Penn State 47.48 instead of 45.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Also...

You have to count other factors. If Purdue misses, more than likely the other team is going to get the ball and therefore score.

So misses count for the other side of the court as well. Hard to put a number on that of course…

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebounds

This is based on us being out-rebounded which no one can deny we have major issues on.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Defensive rebounding would have no

impact. The other team is getting the next possession regardless of it being a miss or make. Or are you saying the misses translate into easier baskets off of a rebound?

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Definitely (IMO), the defense has more time to set up when a shot is made.

Transition defense is quite a bit more difficult.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

really depends from team to team

even if you hit a shot against IU, you’re likely going to have to play transition defense. If Wisconsin gets a defensive rebound, you’re likely to have roughly 3 minutes to set up before they get the ball up the court.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

true

this is an incredibly rough what if scenario, but defensive rebounding doesn’t correlate with offensive production. Offensive rebounding does, but defensive rebounding is loosely related.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I should include...

Michigan (we actually shot decently and was just a notch lower than AJ’s season avg stat):

FG (44.2%) 3PT ( 34.6%)

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Michigan shooting normal nets

52.66 points instead of 64.

The Michigan and Wisconsin games actually have point totals drop because of discrepancy in which shots are falling.

To get these numbers, I took 3 [3 pointers taken(.356)] + 2 [2 pointers taken (.479)] = total points scored if normal. The decimals representing season team average of the Boilers as of this morning.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

also please point out if this equation is incorrect

it sounds right in my head, but math was never my strong suit.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides FTs...

Yes you’re right. Attempts X Percentage

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

ah figured it out

was leaving out free throws. Adjusted numbers adding in FTs made and not average FTs made

Wisconsin game you score 73.08
IU – 84.22
Michigan – 61.66
MSU – 80.59
PSU – 56.48

There those numbers look right. Of course assuming you’re shooting that well, the volume of shots drop in those games, but you get the picture.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

still lose

Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State. The IU game and Wisconsin games would be “wins” assuming volume of shots wouldn’t differ (which is a big assumption).

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

in turn with that same math

you lose @ Iowa and tie with Illinois, Northwestern and Minnesota.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

and lose to High Point

/now I’m trolling

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My comment above

Other factors…about missing shots.

by Kodiak33 on Feb 8, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

and... Iona and Temple

my recommendation is that you stray away from the “if we shot like we normally do” argument.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe someone said "If we shoot like we normally do"

But what they were trying to say is “if we shoot like we can.” Our season averages aren’t very good, but most of us don’t think that our season averages are a good reflection of what this teams output could (and should in our heads) be. Yes, statistics don’t point to that, but our # of trials is currently at 24. Assuming we could play 100 games, I would assume all of our percentages to increase (FT, FG, and 3FG)

by oser1122 on Feb 8, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Michigan can be an outlier

It was a two point game where we had possession with a chance to win int he final minute. "better’ shooting can change a lot about hte end game (Us not fouling michigan on purpose, us having a lead and them fouling us, etc.) the same is true for Indiana and Wisocnsin

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't usually use statements when I make those statements

I go more with my gut. A key play here or there can change the entire timbre of a game. An example was our 2009 Sweet 16 game with UConn. We had a breakaway layup Keaton Grant missed. If he makes it, it is a huge momentum changer because it gives us our first lead and comes int he second half. He missed it, end we never got that close again.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 8, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you using conference % shooting numbers

or overall season. Because let’s be realistic, you can’t take shooting %’s against cupcakes and use that to extrapolate to conference games.

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

just overall

if we go to conference only the 3 pt % drops by .006 and the 2 point % drops by .021. Which means the totals would drop.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

if we assume normal FT shooting

the points drop further in several of those games as well, but would go up in a few as well.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely disagree!!!!
we should NEVER allow a guy like Jared Sullinger to shoot a three

I’d rather see Sullinger launching three than posting up TC where standing straight with arm up defense = foul. I’d take my chances with Sullinger’s 3 any day.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

Not sure what is so offensive about allowing a center to shoot a 3.

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

OSU did it to Landry

And Oden made him look like a sissy girl.

by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 9, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Ooops, sorry, didn't know about this
you guys know I don’t complain about officiating

I agree with JustAJ above. Officiating was equally bad on both sides that I am actually more OK this time than against Indiana. Plus, we are the visiting team, and statistically it has been shown to tend to get more bad calls. I am a lot more upset against Indiana than last night regarding officiating, and it has nothing to do with the final score.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

I'm completely opposite

I really didn’t think the officiating was that bad in the IU game. There were 2, maybe 3, questionable calls….but I’d challenge you to point to more than 3.

Last night was touch fouls like crazy in the first half…and the calls on TC in particular against Sullinger were terrible.

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The way I look at officiating (aside for the blatant calls)

…is to look for 50-50 calls. How many does the home team get and how many does the visiting team get? Statistics has shown that home team tends to get favorable calls a little more.

So like LewJack’s ‘nut shot’ at Sully, to me, it is clear that Sully hasn’t had his feet set, but playing on the road, I wouldn’t be surprised at all that OSU gets the call. The same with the one where Sully’s head hit the deck after taking a Byrd elbow. Home teams tend to get those calls. So last night there were many bad calls against us, but it somewhat balances out. However, against IU, I can’t remember getting even one favorable 50-50 call despite us playing at home, and that pisses me most.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Pig

The IU game was horrendous. Every 50-50 call seemed to go IU’s way. The refs were slow with the whistle and seemed to be calling the game to influence the outcome a certain way. One foul called against Purdue… the refs waited to see that Elston missed a shot, then blew the whistle to give him 2 FTs. Even the IU guy sitting behind me couldn’t believe how one-sided it was. Seemed like the game was being played at the Ass Hall of Calls…

by boilergal on Feb 8, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll start - Here's 4

maybe someone can add even more.

1) Zeller pulling Carroll down for the foul on Carroll.
2) Lawson blocking a layup and Byrd flying in for the block and his little body contact whistled for a foul.
3) Elston traveled maybe even twice before the jump ball call.
4) Ball clearly lost by Oladipo out of bounds and far away official runs in to call it tipped off of Hummel.

There was one or two times I though IU goaltended but they called it a block.

by Boiler00 on Feb 8, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree with

1 & 4.

I don’t recall 2…and #3 that was a foul call, and it was clealry a foul.

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

#2

Oladipo went down hard. You don’t go down hard on a block when you’re untouched.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think I agree with that statement...

because LewJack would have been at the line 57 times during the game if this was the case. He goes down hard every time he drives. (57 might be a slight exaggeration)

by mfennema on Feb 8, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Enough already

About the officiating. Makes us sound like sore losers. Not gonna change a thing.

by Jim Canes on Feb 8, 2012 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with you even though I posted examples above

I was just trying to say I thought the IU game was called worse than the OSU game.

It’s just the damn inconsistency that sucks and is hard to not get pissed about.

by Boiler00 on Feb 8, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

My problem with the officiating

is not that i felt it was particularly one-sided, but that is was awful altogether. terribly inconsistent and schizophrenic, a lot of misplaced calls; byrd’s fourth being most notable.

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by McAfee#1 on Feb 8, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

other than the sullinger treatment, i felt it was reasonably balanced

…a lot of bad calls both ways. they were letting them play very physical, and in general that’ll favor purdue.

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by McAfee#1 on Feb 8, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

that's the conference unfortunately

college basketball and officiating has just become worse over the years.

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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well this thread has gotten into the weeds

and a lotta “what-ifs”.

Bottom line it was still a loss last night, and doesn’t change a damn thing for the tourney hopes of Purdue. If there is carryover from this game to future games, in the form of confidence or something, than that’s a good thing. But in my mind not a lot has changed. I doubt we’ll see another 60% three-pt shooting night this year, so its going to have to happen on the defensive side of the ball, and that has not been good.

NW will be focused-in come Saturday. They still have dreams of an NCAA bid dancing in their head as well…they’ve won 2 in a row now….and Purdue will get their absolute best shot.

by ruascott on Feb 8, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Not to keep picking on ya

But you keep discounting that OSU shot out of their minds too. Normally 34% from 3pt and they shot 56%. Purdue normally shoots 35% and shot 58%. Cancels out. Last night wasn’t just fluky because we couldn’t miss. It was a good game plan and execution. Now what I don’t know is if the game plan, execution, and focus was a fluke or not.

by mastertim on Feb 8, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, it seems to be a trend

…that the opposing team’s 3P% will shoot way up when they play Purdue. I’m serious. All their front court players would suddenly start raining 3s. PSU. Wisky. NW. OSU.

So Purdue shooting light out is the exception; the opposing making a lot of 3s is the norm.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I didn’t believe you, but you’re kinda right. We are last in the B1G in 3pt% defense. Still OSU is 9th in 3pt% offense…56% is still an outlier vs even us.

by mastertim on Feb 9, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I know I'm going to be blasted by writing this

and I said I’d be happy that if we played pissed… which we did so Kudos for that

But we should have won this game DESPITE, the apparent the refs fouling us out. We had so many missed Ft’s again at this game. I’m sorry but when Ryne Smith, one of your best free throw shooters, who’s also a senior, who’s also playing in his home state went 1/3 at the line during a pivotal moment of the game really sucks. ALSO, during the last 4 minutes of the game OSU only had one player that could take over: Buford. You know that he’s going start from the left block and run around 2 screens to get that jumper. Barlow trailed too much… Carroll has to recognize that play. Barlow gambled on the next play. As much as I applaud the aggressive D that could’ve led to a quick 2, Barlow allowed Ohio State’s most dangerous shooter to go off against the Purdue D without it’s best defender. Definitely could’ve used a stop by D-ing up straight up on Buford. Buford’s 3 came off on a switch with Ryne on Buford. Advantage: Buford… Ryne not the best on D. Yes Buford had a nudge off… but whatever. Players get that call.

So we can bemoan about the fouls called. But we could’ve won despite the perceived mention of the fouls. Anyway…. time to keep the players playing hard and playing smart.

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by H Dot Jones on Feb 8, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Also there were 2 instances

In which Carroll and Lawson released before to block out. Led to 4 points by Thomas and Ravenel. We’re not that good/ talented to win off of talent… gotta win the small battles. That’s what we’ll have to do for the next 7 games in the BT.

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by H Dot Jones on Feb 8, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

actually led to 5 points

Thomas got an AND 1 on that play

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by H Dot Jones on Feb 8, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen...

Free throws…and what’s up with TJ’s “throw” at the basket. That should be a pull up jumpshot. I don’t remember his shot being so bad last year. He’s got to fix that. But hit FT’s and guard Bufford and we win this game.

by buddha58 on Feb 8, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you're right

That push-off into the 3 wasn’t bad enough to be called.

We’re just mad cuz bad.

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by Danulas on Feb 8, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh, have to agree w/u on Ryne Smith

I’ve defended Ryno so many times here that ppl probably think I have some man-crush on him. Last night though, missing 2 out of 3 FTs is just inexcusable. It’s obvious not mechanics – he is the best shooter (not only FT, but just pure shooter), and there is no reason for him to miss 2 out of 3 other than a mental breakdown. In a word, choke.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems to pain you to agree with me...LOL

J/K. In order for this team to win it’s next 7—- as some people have said this team can do— the effort last night has to be the same AS Well as playing smarter. We basically have to play “Moneyball” and nickel and dime our way in some of these games… especially since 3 of our 4 toughest games are on the road. Since we think that no referee gives us a break anywhere in the BT (I don’t buy it, but whatever not getting into that). We’ll have to win other battles and execute in those battles. Yesterday, missed free throws and allowing offensive rebounds killed us. Just my thoughts

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by H Dot Jones on Feb 8, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ROFL

I happily agree with you about playing “Moneyball” and nickel and dime our way to get a W. It pains me to criticize players unless I am very disappointed. In any case, the personal rule i go by is that criticism is fine but throwing them under the bus is not.

by charlespig on Feb 8, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with you on offensive rebounds

I don’t have time to go back and count, but there seemed to be ALOT of plays where we forced missed shots, even down low, only to let them have a put back or start the clock over. That part of the game drove me crazy. That and watching buford be a senior leader and put a team on his back. I miss that from last year.

by Scotty A on Feb 8, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Painter found a lineup with an even mix of scoring and defense

Jackson, Byrd, Barlow, Hummel, and Carrol/Lawson/Marcius (choose your poison).

We are a horrible rebounding team, but this lineup gives us our best chance.

This lineup puts 2 of our only 3 players on the team that can hit an outside shot. It puts our 2 best slashers on the floor. Our only major size disadvantage is Jackson at the PG but he plays a lot bigger then 5’9".

If you look at our last few games in the Big Ten, we are getting punished by guard/wings and not big men. Our perimeter defense is actually worse then our post defense! Bufford, Olidapo, Dawson, Hardaway and Crawford are all 6’5" to 6’6" guards that have been the difference makers. AJ, TJ, Hart, and Smith are all undersized guards not known for their defensive capabilites.

by Sportsnut on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

That is the starting line-up on Saturday IMO(insert TC)

I think I’m more excited for this game than I was the IU game (is that bad?)! Just the possibility of putting two hard fought, chip on our shoulder, pure heart and hustle, lay it all on the line Purdue Basketball games together gives me a semi.

by oser1122 on Feb 8, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

All the more reason the next couple of years are pivotal

we’re getting a lot of lengthy players. Now a couple of them will have to be special. Special in their make-up… not just talent level. I’m talking about mastering their craft and trying to get better on all the aspects of the game. This is something that I thought TJ would have shown us this year. That being said… he still has 2 years to shine. This offseason will be crucial for him.

However, enough about the future. As for the now… Purdue will need to get ready how to attack a zone. Movement and quick cuts can and will get you good shots.

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Feb 8, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't give him a complete pass

Because that free throw problem needs to be fixed. He did have surgery just before the season started so that probably is still nagging at him. He has definitely shown glimpses of greatness though.

by herby20 on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Capable bigs are the key to attacking a zone

Hammons and Simpson should be able to help a great deal.

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by Danulas on Feb 9, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Alright, if you think the refs during the OSU game were bad

They’re even worse in this Duke vs UNC game. Duke’s getting a ton of help from the zebras tonight.

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by Danulas on Feb 8, 2012 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Made the same mistake that Pitt did against UConn last year.

Why on earth would you have a big man guard a shooter on the perimeter. I know they used a pick and roll, but Zeller played so far back. He didn’t even get his hand up before the ball was already out of Rovers’ hands.

by herby20 on Feb 8, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Shouldn't have been that close, if you ask me

UNC got screwed by the refs all night.

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by Danulas on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

UNC's a better team, I think.

Seth Curry’s 3-ball after an obvious 4-step moonwalk was textbook Duke officiating bias. And Zeller? Get your hands up, you’re 7-feet tall!

by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 9, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't know how that doesn't get called

Regardless, Tyler Zeller is a senior that committed a string of back-to-back freshman mistakes to give Duke the victory. The refs didn’t cause those missed freethrows, or that tip-in by Zeller.

He should have gotten in Rivers’ grill. Even if they do call a foul, they’d be asking a freshman to tie with two freethrows in the most hostile environment ever, and even if he misses one of them on purpose for another chance at the last shot, the UNC front court had been dominating the glass all day.

How many of us could out-coach Roy Williams?

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by Danulas on Feb 9, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

In the words of Mark Jackson..

Hand down, Man Down…

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by H Dot Jones on Feb 9, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else think we should have put Byrd in earlier than the 2 minute mark

in the second half? He sat for 8 minutes. Kinda needed him around the 4 minute mark when O$U started building a lead. While he wasn’t on fire like he was in the first half, I would have traded the possibility of him fouling out vs the possibility of him scoring.

by TheBox on Feb 9, 2012 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

I think the question is

did anyone not think we should have put him in until the 2 minute mark. I still don’t get this. Has anyone heard if Painter has spoke to that question?

by Boiler00 on Feb 9, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

depends on the situation

in the context of Purdue’s game, he should have been back in because the Billy Buford Show was necessitating that Purdue score points right now. If Purdue had the lead and was just defending it, then you hold him out until the last 2 minutes or so. That way if you lose the lead he is still a scoring option.

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by JustAJ on Feb 9, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

That decision doesn't bother me

He game was a lot like the Hummel game at Mackey in 2010. Byrd had a great first half, but they had figured him out and limited him even before he got the fourth foul

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 9, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

but in that case

if they “figure him out” then they are concentrating on him and that may open up someone else. He did bury another 3 at the end.

by Boiler00 on Feb 9, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

A little bit

If I remember the 2010 game Hummel barely touched the ball in the 2nd half let alone scored. Did Hummel score in the 2nd half seriously? Byrd at least was 1-2 3pt FG before he got his 4th foul, ended up 2-4 3pt in the 2nd half. OSU didn’t have a lockdown defender to put on Byrd. 2010 they had Lighty. Thomas? Smith? Buford? Not near as good.

by mastertim on Feb 9, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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