Lay Off of CMP
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 AM EST
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There are several reasons why Purdue is struggling this season...and IMO, very few if none have to do with coaching.
1. We put a lot on Rob Hummel this season. He simply isn't close to the same player. It sucks, but its also fact.
2. Lewis Jackson is THE senior leader on this team and injuries have just completely killed him this season. I'm
putting more on the fact that he doesn't practice than how he does in games. If your point guard doesn't practice, it's tough to build chemistry.
3. Lack of a post presence. Carroll and Marcius simply aren't gonna do it with guarding an incredible elite talent like Cody Zeller. I'm counting down the days until AJ Hammons.
Also, a side-note: Anthony Johnson, quit wearing a shooting sleeve. Guys who airball shots in big games aren't good enough to wear them. Just my opinion.
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The buck stops with Painter.
Embarrassments like last night, Xaxier, and Butler rest with him. He is accountable for the performance of his team.
He is not the one playing. He isn't missing shots.
When he is screaming at his players to move and they don’t, that is on them not him.
He makes $2.3M a year, it's on him.
If he screams and they don’t move he’d better damn well find a way to make them move.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
So the players have no responsibility in this?
One could just as easily say they are getting ~40k a year in scholarship to play this game.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 6, 2012 3:59 AM EST up reply actions
this post is about as cheesy as
the “are you in or your out” post
however I do admire the unwavering support, but the coach is the where the BUCK stops
by Boilerhoosier91 on Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
You saw my comment there, right?
Told u I am not a blinder fan.
chemistry
it’s not that they don’t know to move; they don’t know where to move. hummel and jackson’s lack of practice time has this team somewhat lost. the concepts of motion offense are fairly simple, but when you don’t know your teammates’ tendencies then the whole thing falls apart.
i suppose he could install more set plays, but it seems like cmp is intent on returning to a (more) pure motion offense. that’s ok going forward, but it’s painful right now.
same goes for defense: guys just aren’t quite familiar enough with each other to switch and rotate appropriately. you can tell they aren’t confident either going to the help line or sticking with their man, so they choose poorly and get burned.
two new assistant coaches and some modifications to the game plan just adds to the issues.
throw in some streaky shooting… hell, if they hit 75% free throws and 10% better field goals we’d not be having this conversation right now.
tonight’s osu game showed that they can get it together if sufficiently pissed off.
looking for a place to happen
making stops along the way - the tragically hip
CMP
He lost out on a lot of guys the last couple of years and it is hurting us now.
It would be hard for any coach to win with the guys we have now, but Painter’s job is to recruit as well. Hopefully the next couple classes will right this ship.
But, ultimately it is CMP’s responsibility to put a team together, and he has failed to do that this year,
by Boiler_Ditsor on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Tired of the comment "Its not Painter who's playing"
Well if thats the damn fact, then no coach should EVER be fired, because by that logic, they aren’t the ones losing the games. By that logic, the coaches should never be criticize because “its not their fault.” Just a bunch of bullshit. People need to open their eyes. Coaching at the college level is huge. A good coach with a great game plan and ability to exploit weaknesses will win games.
+1
The coach is the one moving the chess pieces. He is in charge of the recruiting, he is in charge of who plays, when & how much, he sets the opportunities with who plays during the plan he creates, etc etc etc.
Additionally
Over the past several years everyone gave CMP credit for how well the team did, earning him a salary adjustement to be one of the top paid coaches. But now that they are having a down year, its not the coach, its the players? If that is the case, the past few years of success hasn’t been due to CMP, it’s been because of the players and thus the raise & coaching honors were not worthy.
Finally, if its the players not the coach, CMP succeeded for bringing in the baby boilers, but failed by bringing in no one to back them up…. whether they were suppose to develop or not. Ultimately, the coach is the CEO and is responsible for the success or failures of the team.
When you're getting $2.3M
at any position, things are demanded and expected. You cannot decisive lose to hacks like Tom Cream and his one man team on your own floor in the manner Purdue did on Saturday night. Not with a week off. You just can’t.
by SmallMarketBigPlays on Feb 6, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Know what is just as important at the college level on a nightly basis?
Talent and experience. Tell me, do you see any first team All Big Ten players with years of starting experience on this team? There is one, and he can’t practice every day and is expected to carry the offense. Other teams we are losing to have All-Americans or starting lineups that have been playing together for years. We have a bunch of people who have been role players for the last three years expected to play important minutes.
The comment below is absolutely right. This fan base is so extremely fickle. The recruiting after the 07 class has been, quite honestly, awful. If none of you expected a frustrating season than you are either naive or have a lot of trust in Painter.
excuses excuses!!!
and Purdue fans, especially older ones are anything but fickle….geeeezhus, because we would have moved on a long time ago
by Boilerhoosier91 on Feb 6, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
They aren't excuses
Excuses are for people who thought we would be as competitive as last year. This team’s talent is down. That is on Painter, yes. But these same players are the ones actually playing. A coach can only do as well as his player’s ability to listen and do what he tells them to do. In this case, the players are neither listening nor executing.
And the fan base is fickle because everyone was freaking out over Painter leaving. But now that he has a big contract, everyone is putting the entire blame on him even though it was expected to be a down year. A single down year and everyone seems to be thinking that he is an average coach who can’t succeed.
Wanna hear something funny? There was a coach who recently had a down year with a lot more talent than Purdue does. That coach was Roy Williams and he was at UNC. You think Roy Williams deserved criticism? Sure. But his team also was lacking experience and talent with the loss of several great players to graduation. Sounds pretty familiar huh? It should, because that is what is happening with Purdue right now.
Great point...
I thought about bringing up UNC- that team finished dead last in the ACC that year (I think). This season is not nearly as big of a bust. The ship will be righted. We just need to reload with more than role players and it seems that is exactly what we will be doing the next couple of classes. This year is what it is…
good lord, we are a fickle fanbase...
Just last hear everyone was scrapping themselves because he was thinking about taking the job at Missouri… now, people want to run him out of town. It is a down year, people! Saddle up you bunch of Nancies!
I believe the only thing he has failed at is keeping the recruiting up after the baby boilers… he is trying like hell to make these kids play hard, and they just aren’t getting it done. Hard to build tram chemistry when half the starting lineip can only practices once a week… just saying… it is one season, and it isn’t the end of the world!!!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Feb 6, 2012 7:42 AM EST reply actions
the fact that we're so upset with this year's performance
just proves how good Coach Painter has been to us.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 6, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I believe the only thing he has failed at is keeping the recruiting up after the baby boilers…
Is that not one of the primary and most important, maybe THE most important, duties of a head coach? Can you field a winning team in the B1G with poor recruiting?
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bo Ryan on line 1 for you, sir.
/just a joke
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thats why he said it wasnt just about money for him
He repeatedly stated that the big problem was he needed money for asst. coaches and so that they could keep up with other teams out recruiting. Painter is getting blasted for his recruiting the last few years and i agree it wasnt very good but he also didnt have the better resources and big contract when he was recruiting those classes. People are having a double standard now that he has a big contract without giving him time to show what he can do with the better resources.
by jack'sIUdisdain on Feb 7, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Every team will have a down year at some point.
This is our year. We’re not going to win every single game; nobody does. Unless we start taking ill-timed timeouts or something like that, I’m not worried about CMP. Let him do his business, and support the Boilers.
"Hummel for three..... BULLSEYE!!!"
Anybody that makes $2.3 mil/year
should eat, sleep and breathe their job. Purdue should be on his mind every second of every day.
I disagree
He has a family to take care of as well (I’m not at all implying a lack of money to do that, just a lack of time, given this point).
It isn’t the end of the world at all if we miss the NCAAs. Again, we were all grumping at Burke 10 months ago for not giving Painter the resources he needed to recruit. Why, all of a sudden, is that Painter’s fault?
"Hummel for three..... BULLSEYE!!!"
It'll actually be an interesting study
I am not suggesting anything here so don’t read too much into it. I am, however, interested if someone has a list of $2M+ per year coach, and I’d like to know if all of them make the NCAA Tourney. (If that’s true, then it’ll add to your argument Ditsor. Otherwise, I can also give you examples like Eddy Curry who was getting paid like $10M+ per but he just eats and sleeps a lot, but nothing to do with his job)
Roy Williams didn't two years ago
Uconn didn’t make the tourney that year either. So there are two hall of fame worthy coaches with tons of talent on their team AND making $2M+ who didn’t make the tourney. Down years happen people.
Here you go: Top 20 paid for 2010-11 season [sorry, its in slide show form]
http://www.businessinsider.com/highest-paid-coaches-in-college-basketball-2011-12#
Painter wont be in it since it’s last years salaries
Roy Williams
If this is accurate, Roy is getting it done for 1.6M. I know salary doesn’t tell the whole story, (i.e. recruiting budget), but damn. UNC is getting a bargain.
Hummel
Hummel wasn’t even supposed to be here this season. If he wasn’t, how bad would we be? That is because he missed on recruiting… so yes, he deserves some blame.
Depends
There are some valid concerns being raised. Like why do our players keep hedging screens when they’re too slow to recover. I don’t know if Painter thinks that this will just be alleviated when better athletes get here, and thus doesn’t want to teach a different defense for just a couple years, or if he just is too stubborn to adjust.
only con against Painter is recruiting ‘08-’11 recruiting. He’s a good coach and everyone in the country knows that. Just ask Mizzou, the Big Ten award voters or look up at the big ten banners and Draft picks he’s been putting up. Not many coaches could win the B10 with the talent (or lack thereof) and performance that we’ve been putting on the floor this year.
Painter is still the 2nd best coach in the B10 at the moment, regardless of this year.
Izzo and Ryan?
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Feb 6, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
From a pure coaching standpoint,
if you take recruiting out of the equation, CMP deserves B1N COY consideration if he gets THIS team to the NCAA’s.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions
Recruiting is the problem, it doesn't matter how good of a coach he is if he can't recruit consistently.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Questions
1. Not necessarily it applies to Purdue, but does it matter how good a coach is if he can’t recruit consistently as you say, BUT THAT he has a super recruiting assistant who has all sorts of connections to the local AAU players?
2. I understand recruiting is important in CBB. If you can recruit like Calipari, you can make a lot of noise in the national stage w/o really needing to coach much. However, if you just look at the word “coach”, it really means tutor, instruct, train, guide and etc. It has nothing about recruiting. So when we say CMP is not a good coach, that seems to be misleading. Can we have a different title to describe him such that the criticism is at least a bit fair?
I'm not saying he is a bad coach. I think he is a good coach but there is room for improvement.
I like him and I was glad when he stayed although I wasn’t crazy about the way he went about getting the university to give him a raise. I do believe, however, recruiting is the responsibility of the head coach regardless of how he goes about it. When I say a head coach needs to recruit consistently I am referring to he and his entire staff not just the head coach himself so I am including any super recruiting assistant in that equation. If Painter had such an assistant when wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Painter got his raise, he makes $2.3M per year. Tom Izzo makes $3M and change and has taken MSU to the Final Four 6 times in 13 years and has an NCAA championship. I don’t think there is anything wrong setting some high expectations and expecting a coach to deliver on them when they are being paid that kind of coin. I don’t think we should have to settle for shit like we saw on Saturday or the debacles with Xavier and Butler let alone the VCU disaster when we have a coach who has been on board as long as CMP has. He claimed he didn’t have the resources to recruit. Fair enough, he has them now and I hope for everyone’s sake we see real progress in the next year or two.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
One thing we have to remember
Part of his new deal was a larger budget for recruiting. I remember stories being told of how our coaches would show up in crappy rental cars while others were looking like rockstars in their rides. These things matter to kids. Looking like we have a good couple of classes coming in some I’m not going to judge him on this just yet.
I agree.
Which is why I worded my comment the way I did.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 6, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
CMP and $2.3M
It seems to me that the consensus view is that
1) If CMP gets $2.3M, he better wins,
2) He is not winning not b/c he is a bad coach per se, but b/c between 2008-11 he hasn’t recruited well, and it shows on the court.
Do I understand it correctly? Now if we accept the premise that the asst coaches were poorly paid and it seriously affected recruiting, then shall we judge the recruiting part on the 2013/4/5 recruits and not the current players?
(Having said that, I agree that the buck has to stop at the coach. If he gets the glory in winning he has to take the blame in losses too. It may not be fair, like the burden of winning or losing football games fall disproportionately on the QB or the HC)
You got it.
He is taking the blame. I listened to the Matt Painter Show tonight and he was pretty blunt about it.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 6, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think we are pretty much in agreement, at least you and I.
Yes, he has what he said he needed and should be judged on the next 2 to 3 years of classes. I hate to be harsh but I do not think it is unreasonable for the expectation to be that losses like those I mentioned earlier, while not completely avoidable, should at least be rare when resources are being put into a program to the extent like what Purdue is doing.
I am optimistic about the future as we have a lot going for us, the new incarnation of Mackey is wonderful, the coaching staff is happy, supposedly a couple of good classes coming in, etc.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agree on this next 2 or 3 classes
He just started getting paid like an elite coach. We just gave him the budget of an elite program. Before we expect elite results, it will take time. The baby boilers laid the groundwork for all of this. If in 2 or 3 years we are seeing the same results, I have no problem with what some people are saying. We have to give it time to work though and I think some people are jumping the gun. I will say that losing three home games already is unacceptable to me, we are better than that as a program.
A follow-up question
Now that CMP has $2.3M and his asst coaches are better paid,
1) Do you think we’d have landed Dawson if he’s a high school junior now?
2) Do you still want to have Dawson after what we’ve seen about his character?
3) Would it make a difference in getting Harris?
4) Would it make a difference in getting Willis?
5) If the answer is no to 3 and 4, then what does $2.3M buy in recruiting?
1. Possibly
2. No, he’s a punk, let Izzo have him.
3. Who knows but I hope so.
4. See answer to #3
5. Not sure and also not sure a guy who has never had any real tournament success is worth that kind of money as he hasn’t proven himself. I’ll bring up Izzo and his 6 FFs again or the raise Stevens got after his FF appearances.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
On your #5
I know you have said you wanted him to stay so I’m not saying you think otherwise. What was the Purdue administration supposed to do with that situation. He was being offered just under what we gave him to go to a school with a similar history and similar love for their program. This, to me, is a turning point for our program. If the CMP project works, paying big money for a consistent winning program, I think we will have a good to great team for a very long time. If it does not, the administration goes back to paying chump change, in a relative sense, and we hope we find a good coach on the cheap. This is why I hope more than anything that CMP is the coach I think he is.
I see your point and do not disagree.
I’m not sure what the answer is or was. I did want him to stay but as I have said I didn’t really like the way he went about it especially considering the fact that he is an alum. I thought his claim that he was only looking to leave because he wanted higher pay for his assistants was a little disingenuous considering he asked for and got a $1M raise for himself. That said, I do really like him and have since his playing days and I really hope this works out.
The only thing I have a bit of a problem with is the fact that he obviously wants to be paid like an elite coach, and in all fairness to him both Purdue and Missouri agree, when he hasn’t performed like an elite coach. I really hope and pray this works out and we end up with an elite program and that things like the VCU disaster or what we saw on Saturday are rare occurrences in the future.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point and do not disagree ... entirely
I don’t blame him for getting the $1M raise for himself. Hey, if Mizzou is willing to pay that kind of $, it’ll be kinda foolish for Painter to give Purdue a $500k discount. Maybe if he’s still the Purdue coach at 80 like Paterno he can afford to take a paycut and a symbolic $1, but not when he is 40-sth.
As for getting paid like an elite coach but poor result, well, I give him the benefit of doubt this year. After all, as good as Izzo is, and his team being the pre-season #2, the way it became a bubble team w/o significant injuries like Hummel seems a lot more inexcusable than Painter is this year. If Izzo can have a bad year where a P.S. #2 team can become a bubble team, then Painter should be entitled to one this year as well.
I agree mostly...
But Izzo has put up 6 Final Fours, 2 championship games, and a championship, while Matt has done, well, none of that, so I’ll forgive Izzo’s bad year and also give Matt a pass on this year…but…..Izzo gets a bigger pass and has demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is at the top of the coaching game while Matt hasn’t. I would love to see Matt become the Paterno of Purdue basketball but we are a long ways from that.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 7, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Izzo had several great players at the beginning of his career at MSU
who most importantly stayed healthy to win him a championship. He also has been coaching far longer than Painter has. Many seem to not realize it, but Painter was only two years out of college when Izzo took over the MSU program.
He is a very young coach and still has plenty of time to earn his contract. Izzo didn’t win his first championship until he was 45 since we seem to be comparing the two a lot lately.
Good point, he won his championship 5 years into his MSU career.
And he has continued to be successful. Izzo is the gold standard for active Big Ten coaches, if I am wrong someone please correct me. I hope as much as anyone that Painter brings us as much success as Izzo has MSU. Hell, half as much success and I would be happy.
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 7, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Fine, Izzo deserves a bigger pass
But I’d argue that MSU was a bigger disappointment last year than Purdue is this year. After all, going from pre-season #2 to bubble is a lot worse than this Purdue team that is not even ranked in the pre-season to bubble. So net-net, I call it a tie.
One more thing...
Can you believe we are talking about million dollar raises? I remember when I was at Purdue in the 80s and Keady was making $200K something and I thought that was just an incredible pile of money and now they are making millions. I’ve never had a $1M raise, have you? :)
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's crazy to think about it
But professional players when they go from their rookie contract to a FA contract could get $10M raise in a heartbeat. Also, I am sure if Stevens joined any other program last year after his second Final Four he’d also have more than a million dollar raise.
Yeah, and that’s when we are in the greatest recession since the Great Depression.
The #5
Helps with his ability to go out and see recruits play. It also has a ton to do with how much his associate coaches were getting paid. I can’t remember where I found it, but most of the increase in Painter’s contract comes from performance instead of base salary. I can’t remember all the details, but I know that if he wins the Big Ten regular season title and gets to a final four in the same season that he gets a $1M bonus.
This is crazy
Painter is a great coach and worth his salary when compared to other coaches. He might not be the best recruiter yet, but what he is doing with the talent on our team this year is amazing. Name one other coach in the country that could do more with our talent. For gods sake, 1/3rd of our team should be playing D2 and a 1/3rd on a mid-major D1 at best. Hummel and Jackson are the only two players on our team that would see significant playing time on any other top 50 D1 school! The fact that we are in the hunt for a tournament bid is impressive.
He struck out on his recruiting classes from 2008 through 2011 but has learned from it. 2012 and 2013 classes are his first step forward with larger, more athletic guard/wings, a real center, and the ability to have a average to above average player at every position. Painter is pushing harder and spending more time recruiting in more states. I think Painter learns from his mistakes and will never let the recruiting drought happen again.
1/3rd of our team should be playing D2 and a 1/3rd on a mid-major D1 at best.
Who recruited those players?
by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
The D2 comment is completely absurd
every player on the roster would play D1 somewhere. With 344 division I teams calling players on a Big Ten team with a winning record D2 skill-level is laughably out of touch
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Since we are talking about recruiting, let's look at only high school stats for some 08-11 players
TJ – 4-star Rivals (#51 overall)
DJ – 4-star Rivals
AJ – 4-star Rivals
TC – Gatorade POY for Indiana (so in-state POY is not good enough?)
Sandi – 14th-ranked Center avg 15-15-7 (blk) at LaLu
LewJack, Ryno and Kelsey aren’t rated highly in high school, but I think their on-court contribution justified Painter’s recruiting them.
Sure, we miss out on a lot of big names like Tyler Zeller, Dawson, Harris and Willis, but except for Harris, I don’t know how you can fault Painter. He’s been almost a “father-figure” to Dawson but allegedly refused to pay him and so Dawson (the punk) went to MSU; he is the first to get Willis and actually got him to verbally committed.
I generally think you are quite knowledgeable, and your 2nd paragraph sounds mostly reasonable, but your 1st paragraph really goes waaaaaay too far IMO.
The thing is about the POY comment
There already is a player of the year award in Indiana. It’s called “Mr. Indiana Basketball”, and a certain Ohio State player got that award.
I thought u guys were saying that Mr. IN Bball is rigged for IU players b/c it's by Indystar
So wouldn’t Gatorade be more neutral?
http://www.indy.com/posts/danville-s-carroll-is-player-of-the-year
In any case, my point is, when TC committed to Purdue, his junior stat was 22-13-2-2 (blk, ast). He is an in-state kid. He won at least a state POY award. So you may blame the staff for not developing him, but it seems to me we can’t blame TC as bad recruiting.
I don't know what other people said, but I definitely never said that.
Besides, we have a very good chance at getting our own Mr. Indiana Basketball thanks to Bryson Scott.
You can spin it anyway you want.
But Purdue’s recruiting from 2008 thru 2011 was abysmal. One consensus top 100 player in four classes (TJ). None of these classes were ranked in the top 25 nationally. This all happening while our program was consistently ranked top 10-15 in the country and our chief in-state rival’s program was in the crapper. If you’re going to use the arguement that rankings don’t matter, then just use your eyes. OK, now that I got that off my chest, I will say CMP has recovered nicely. 2012 is our springboard but the key was 2013, specifically Bryson. His signing was huge because it signaled that we weren’t going to have a “one hit wonder” class in 2012 (like 2007) and you knew other top players in 2013 would follow, which they did. If Painter can keep the momentum going with a couple of impactful signings in 2014, once we get through this year and next, I think you will see a long period of continuous excellence from Purdue Bball.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 7, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
This so much
The 2012+2013 classes alone will make Purdue great after they get some experience. 2014 is yet to be seen, but we seem to already be doing great in 2015 with Jordan Ash seemingly a Purdue lean.
link plz?
Not discounting you.. I never read nor heard that at all
To your call once more we rally...
Use "Google"
It was a long time ago, and it was to the local newspaper. If you dig deeper you can probably find the paper itself. But here’s one mention (ironically, from an article bashing Painter’s recruiting):
http://www.slicksportstalk.com/post/ncaa-bb/debunking-myth-matt-painter-great-recruiter
It was long thought that Dawson would commit to Purdue because he told a newspaper that Coach Painter was like a father figure to him.
you sure that wasn't Jackson Brunner who wrote that article?
noted man crush for Terone Johnson….
To your call once more we rally...
Geez, ask the a-hole Dawson himself then
I guess that’s the only way that can satisfy u.
Yeah, as in "Dear Dad: Doing great at school. Send Money!"
/recruiting frustration
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
If not for Hummel coming back...
I think MP may have left for Mizz. He probably felt like he owed it to Robbie. He may have known he missed on an effective big to replace JJ and would have looked like the greatest coach in the world if Mizz. has the year they’re having and Purdue has the year they’re having. He was smart enough to parlay it into a big payday. He was going to get it from Mizz or Purdue. But how good would everyone think he is if he was coaching Mizz to a top 10 team ?
Nice theory, but I don't buy it
In the B1G icon series with Gene Keady, he talked about the type of players he recruited. In addition to the usual suspect (can shoot, with size or quickness), one thing that surprises me that Keady emphasizes on is loyalty. That’s what he looks when he recruited his players, and that’s what he preached. Now of course not everyone of his players are loyal, but I’d give the benefit of doubt that CMP is a loyal dude.
Cardinal will be on staff next year...
and he’ll be “in charge of recruiting” for Basketball like we have in Football. The position seems to have worked for Danny Hope.
Who's the person "in charge of recruiting" for Hope?
I say he is doing a marvelous job to get like 4 QBs to commit to the same class in a program with already 4 upper classmen.
wont stay like that. Gray will be a receiver. Prob at least one other switches too
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Feb 7, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
That would be Marshall then
Appleby can only play QB; Gregory declines Arkansas b/c they don’t want him to play QB there. There’s still Henry and Robinson and maybe one (or both) of them will switch. The preferred walk-on guy – is he also a dual threat?
ESPN article about incoming QBs
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/45127/purdue-loads-up-on-qbs-in-class
also of note. hope says he will continue to play 2 qbs!
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how you interpret it
“The last couple of years out of necessity we’ve had to incorporate some dual quarterback systems and plans, if you will,” Hope said. “We can kind of hold true to that with these guys because they’re very athletic.”
If he means having an athletic QB like Siller lining up as QB or running the Wildcat, then I can accept that and even encourage that (with all those dual-threat QBs we are recruiting). If it means the CTB/Marve mess where two quarterbacks means one-eighth the power, then no.
Paul Gonnella
Danny Hope is a cutting-edge football coach, and his latest Purdue recruiting class reflects it.
Sure, the 25-player class (two are already enrolled in school) is rated No. 32 nationally by Rivals.com, and that matters. But it’s the geographic areas that the Boilers covered that showcases why Hope brought in Paul Gonnella to be his recruiting guru.
Gonnella is officially listed as director of player personnel but his main job is to identify players at a national level who are interested in becoming Boilermakers. He was hired last May and this class is the first indication the strategy is paying off.
Can Painter use part of his $2.3M to hire another Gonnella?
Danny Hope is a cutting-edge football coach
Wow, I never see Hope this way!!!!
Sorry
The above was a quote from a recruiting article…but he did use that edge to cut his Defensive Coord.
I like Danny a lot as a person. He eats and sleeps football. His heart’s in the right place. I wish him all the best, for everyone’s sake.
I like him AS A PERSON too
He seems a nice guy, caring for his players and ensure that they have fun playing.
I just don’t like him when he poorly manages the clock, bad time outs, refuses to cover the middle on 3rd-and-long, never settles for a QB, has no identity on offense, puts blinders on and ignores the reality, makes a big deal out of being the Caesar Bowl CHAMPION, allows teams to run over us (ouch Mich, it hurts; ouch Wisky, it hurts even more) …
I wonder...
If he let’s Nord do too much. Maybe he’s making all of these decisions? I really have no idea…but Nord is awful.
Maybe
But as a HC, the buck stops at him. If Nord is indeed awful, then either he 1) ignores Nord, or 2) fires him. The ultimate responsibility still lies with Hope.
In any case, whoever doing the recruiting has done a great job, so I give that person credit.
How did we get to Danny Hope?
Are people trying to compare Painter and Hope? That’s just foolish and beyond silly.
All those quarterbacks man.
How can you not be impressed?
Cradle of ex-quarterbacks?
Converted quarterbacks?
A new tradition!
by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 8, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Why can't we compare Painter and Hope?
I say the winning formula is Painter’s coaching and development of players + Hope’s recruiting and relentless optimism.
CMP
Horrible.. horrible finisher….Can’t even get a McD All American recruit…. so pissed.
Swung and Missed on Dawson, & Harris (you’re welcome Izzo). IU’s future point guard is also a McD AA. And Painter… God bless him… still a mediocre recruiter…. whelp, glad we gave him $2.3 M for mediocre players… that can’t fight…
Horrible.. horrible finisher….Can’t even get a McD All American recruit…. so pissed.
Swung and Missed on Dawson, & Harris (you’re welcome Izzo). IU’s future point guard is also a McD AA. And Painter… God bless him… still a mediocre recruiter…. whelp, glad we gave him $2.3 M for mediocre players… that can’t fight…*The previous statement was all Tongue-in-cheek. That being said 2012-2013-2014 are pivotal classes in the Painter regime.
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