Are We Not Merciful? Indiana At Purdue Preview
In my random scanning of the internet yesterday I found that my old nemesis, John M of the Crimson Quarry once again took offense to something I had stated earlier this week. The passage in question came in regards to tomorrow's game and how I felt Indiana's return to relevance was easy:
apparently the new meme is that IU has not suffered enough for its sins:
Purdue is desperate to prove that Indiana hasn't passed them. Our fans are both tired about hearing how they're back and honestly, some are a little bitter that they can decimate their own program via cheating, yet suddenly come back like its nothing and pass us when we saw years of hard work lost because of injuries at the absolute worst time. Mackey Arena is going to be a very hostile place for them on February 4th.
Got that? IU was able to "suddenly come back like it's nothing."
Yes, they have come back like it is nothing in terms of recruiting, and this highlights one of the most ignorant and frustrating things I find when dealing with some in the media. There are those out there that make the ridiculous statement of, "well, college basketball/The Big Ten/the state of Indiana needs the Hoosiers to be good." Sorry, but that is a statement born from the height of arrogance.
I'm Purdue fan. Of course I am never going to think Indiana has suffered enough for its sins. These guys blatantly disregarded NCAA rules and showed they didn't care from the moment they hired a known cheater, then acted shocked, shocked he would cheat again multiple times. Yes, they did the right thing in firing him and Tom Crean did the right thing in getting rid of several ne'er-do-wells when he came along, but their comeback was easy because they were able to attract top notch recruits (better than Purdue's on paper) without missing a beat. Crean's first major class was a top 10 one nationally (thus proving it's a lie they "never had talent" before this year), Cody Zeller came on board because of the name recognition and they were back. Most programs would still be struggling to get recruits half as good as IU is getting, so it is a credit to Crean that he can get that talent based on school name recognition alone.
So yes, it makes me angry. It frustrates me, and I wouldn't be bothered in the least if Indiana was banished to the hell of the Big Ten basement for the next 70 years as punishment for their crimes, not rising again until after I am long dead. I think the same about Notre Dame football (another program that operates now more on name recognition than results and has the "college football needs Notre Dame to be good" meme), so what? The Kentucky win bothered me greatly because in one game Indiana rose to bigger heights nationally than we did in four years of hard work with JJ, Rob, and E'Twaun. We did everything right for four years to get to our moment only to have it stolen away by a freak injury. IU wrecks their program and suddenly is the nation's darling and everything is right with the world of college basketball because of one win over Kentucky? Hell yes, it's going to piss me off.
That's why I am glad tomorrow is finally here. Like many Purdue fans, I am nervous because this is far from a guaranteed win and we have much to be concerned about, but I would love to have a moment with five minutes left where Ryne Smith hits his seventh three-pointer to put Purdue ahead 25, Mackey is rocking, and I am screaming, "ARE WE NOT MERCIFUL!?!?!?!"
2011-12 record: 17-6, 5-6 Big Ten
2010-11 record: 12-20, 3-15 Big Ten
Blog representation: Crimson Quarry, Inside the Hall
Series with Purdue: Purdue leads 112-84 (but everything before WWII doesn't count according to IU fans)
Last Purdue win: 2/23/11 at Indiana 72-61
Last Indiana win: 2/19/08 at Indiana 77-68
Time & TV: 7pm Big Ten Network
There are two major reasons that Indiana is light years better this season than in recent years:
1. Cody Zeller
2. Improved three-point shooting
Really, that's about it. Zeller was college basketball ready the moment he walked onto campus and he finally gives the Hoosiers a legitimate post presence. At 15 points and 6.3 rebounds per game he allows the Hoosiers to actually play some inside out, and their shooters have taken advantage. Zeller is a legitimate threat to score and has excellent footwork on the low block, unlike Tom Pritchard, who has regressed to the point he couldn't score against a chair.
What concerns me the most is Zeller drawing the defense inside to open up things for a whole host of BOMAFUWFWLOFST candidates because they shoot well over 40% from long range. Jordan Hulls is the annoying specialist guard that cherry picks threes and absolutely cannot be left open. Derek Elston, Christian Watford, Matt Roth, and Will Sheehey can float around outside and shoot threes all night because we're so bad at switching. I will say this right now: If we continue to defend the perimeter as poorly as we have at times this year we will lose. The Hoosiers shoot the three too well to think otherwise.
In recent games Elston has gotten to the rim more, but Victor Oladipo is one of their more dynamic scorers. All told, four Indiana players (Zeller, Hulls, Oladipo, and Watford) average in double figures. Sheehey is just outside that mark at nine per game, while the mercurial Verdell Jones III has a love/hate relationship with Indiana fans.
Even with Zeller Indiana isn't a particularly good rebounding team at 34.3 per game, but we still have to keep Zeller, Watford, and Oladipo off the offensive glass. This game will be won or lost depending on how well Indiana shoots. They rank 4th in the country in field goal percentage and 19th in scoring. Anything we can do defensively to make them miss is critical.
Lately Indiana's own defense has been called into question. Iowa shot better than 62% on Sunday, but because they didn't bother to play defense themselves they got blown out. Trey Burke was running the point very well on Wednesday at Michigan and getting to the rim in crunch time effectively, so I am eager to see a healthier Lewis Jackson attack. Unfortunately for us, we're not consistent enough on offense to make me confident we can take advantage of their lapses.
Coach Painter has said he will go with the small lineup of Robbie Hummel at the five and four guards. I don't like that because Travis Carroll has experience against Zeller (played against him in the 2010 semi-state championship game) and he was effective earlier this year in frustrating Meyers Leonard. Zeller is much better than Leonard, but it is still encouraging for TC that he can get some minutes out there.
To me, we absolutely have to take advantage of the raucous crowd and return to playing defense like we're accustomed to. If Indiana comes out, hits some early threes, and builds a big lead like Wisconsin and Michigan did, we're in serious trouble. We cannot let the crowd get out of this one. Last year against Ohio State a fantastic crowd made the Buckeyes literally wilt, as you could see it in the second half. This Indiana team does not have the confidence or championship pedigree of that Ohio State team, so it is up to you, Mackey Arena (not the Paint Crew, EVERYONE) to bring it tomorrow.
Finally, this is another chance to get a win over a ranked team. Yes, they will fall out of the top 25 after this week if they lose to us, but it is still a ranked win as of right now. That would go a long way toward buoying our profile for the NCAAs. I admit I am nervous. A win, especially since we're coming in rested, could be the springboard to a strong finish. Even though they are better, we still hold the upper hand in this rivalry, and if the Hoosiers snatch it back on our home floor it could be a devastating blow.
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ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?
/didn’t even read the article, just love the title.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Favorite movie ever.
Besides Mean Girls. Obviously.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 3, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I was saying.
Mean Girls is my favorite.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 3, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am Robulus Decimus Hummelus.
Walker on a murdered knee and bearer of a murdered back. And I will have my vengeance.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 3, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
In this life or the next!
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
White people on welfare too.
Broke ass, living in a trailer home, farking their sister, eating mayonnaise sandwiches, listening to John Cougar Mellencamp records.

“Say WHAH?!”
#IUSucks
im leaving it all
at mackey tomorrow. i dont expect to have my vocal chords working properly by the time worship at church the next day rolls around.
Time to Play Hard.
That is all.
BTFU
Close by the Wabash, In famed Hoosier land, Stands old Purdue, Serene and Grand, Cherished in Memory,By all her sons and daughters true, Fair Alma Mater, All Hail Purdue
I hate to be the "typical bitter Purdue fan..."
But I don’t give a shit, I am bitter. You’re completely right Travis, in four years as a perennial top 15 team we got less publicity and love from the media that IU has in half a season this year. Every dumbass talking head on ESPN couldn’t help but yammer on about how “Indiana is back” and “Cody Zeller, Cody Zeller, Cody Zeller, blah blah blah blah.”
FUCK YOU, SPORTS MEDIA.
FUCK YOU ANTERIOR CRUCIATE LIGAMENT.
FUCK YOU BRANDEN DAWSON.
FUCK YOU GARY HARRIS.
We don’t need any of you! BTFU! I am bitter, I am pissed, and I want to bathe in the blood of the (not so) innocents Saturday night.
/rant
Apologies
I am sorry if I’m not allowed to curse on SBN comments sections. If that’s the case I would like to edit my comment, but I don’t know if I can.
If I am allowed to though, then please disregard this message.
I would disregard it, but the idea that profanity isn't allowed on these boards is just so fucking funny.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 3, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
You don't really blame the media for slobbering all over IU, do you?
The Kentucky win was thrilling. IU is a basketball school that had finally returned to relevance. Tom Crean finally got results and was rewarded for ditching a very respectable program to take over one that was in shambles. As a kinda-sorta member of the media you have to admit that it made for a good story.
The simple truth is that if Purdue had beaten the top 2 teams in the country this season and if they did it on the back of your hero Robbie Hummel that would’ve made a good story too. Purdue would’ve been media darlings and ‘Robbie Hummel comes back from 2 years of injury and disappointment to show the world that he was down but not out!’ stories would be rampant. Not to mention the stories about how Purdue finally is able to take over Indiana as the premier team in the state. Then with that would come better recruits, more Ws, and eventually deep tournament runs. But those things can’t come to pass unless Purdue, you know, BEATS someone.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 3, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions
I agree. We need to BEATS SOMEONE
To enhance our national profile and look more attractive to the committee. Unfortunately, that will remain the case after we crush you.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 3, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Crush?
That’s unlikely. But if you truly think that you’ll blow IU out then you should wager it. I doubt the line is any more than Purdue by 4.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 3, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is we DID beat someone!
Last year’s win over Ohio State was much more impressive than Indiana’s over Kentucky. We still got the, “yeah, but if they had Robbie Hummel…”
The year before, with Hummel, we crushed MSU and beat OSU on their home floors, and it was like, “Purdue might get a No. 1 seed.” Once Hummel went down some people thought we wouldn’t even be tourney-worthy anymore.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
Pretty much this.
We had the most wins against top 10 teams in the nation in 2010, a record of 4-0 against teams that were in the top 10 when we faced them, and an undefeated non-conference record with wins over top 10 Tenn and a beat down of a top 10 WVU team that went to the Final Four.
We were easily a favorite to go to the Final Four that year, and we barely got any hype. In fact, Purdue was criticized by people like Colin Blowhard and Gottlieb for being overrated.
I remember that
Four unbeaten teams left on New Year’s Day, but West Virginia and the other two were Final Four contenders. not us.
We then proceeded to kick the living hell out of West Virginia in Mackey. Still weren’t good enough.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
I reject your well-reasoned logic and substitute my own.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 4, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Um...
What was it he said?
That IU was gonna be good after getting Zeller? That sounds like something Mr. Obvious would say.
Saying Gottlieb is right is directly below hoping IU stays within 20 points Saturday in my list of things that will never happen.
That after beating OSU that they're not Top 15/20.
All the IU types got map.
They’ll be out of the Top 25 come Monday.
He was right, ya know. I dislike him as much as anyone, but…
he's right more often than he is wrong
whether we want to admit it. And what he said more specifically was to hold off on crowning IU, they need to prove themselves in a tough road environment.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Crimson Quarry! Oh No!
Did you draw the ire of all three commenters, or just the two that comment on a regular basis?
I’ll bet it was a real fire storm over there
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
LOL
If you really want to start a firestorm with IU fans, get to Inside the Hall and start something. I’m not speaking from personal experience.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 3, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
my bad
I forgot the sarcasm tags
you couldn’t start a fire storm at CQ with a lit match and a drum of gasoline
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
Tom Crean was a very successful assistant coach at MSU then a succesful HC at Marquette (he went to a Final Four in 2003)
So much so, that there was a group of State alums and fans who thought that Crean would make a great successor to Izzo (when Tom retires). That being said, his ties to MSU aren’t particularly deep and I couldn’t see him leaving IU for MSU.
What I mean to say is that Crean is not recruiting on IU’s name alone. He is a very, very capable recruiter (he recruited many of the guys on our 2000 National Championship team).
Also. This sucks. This burns but this is true: IU is IU and Purdue is just Purdue.
Wait, before you start flaming me and saying completely inappropriate things: we go through the same thing in football.
UM is UM and MSU is just MSU. You just have to make the most of the opportunities that you have and the players you get. UM football will always be able to out recruit (not necessarily out coach or be better than) MSU football.
IU will always be able to out recruit Purdue. They’re older. They have a better pedigree. No matter that a PU player who helps to bring the Boilers their first title (hell a Final Four more recent than the Carter Administration) would be treated like a GOD in W.L., players want to add to a legacy. Nobody wants to be first.
Good luck in a few hours.
Nobody wants to be first.
Couldn’t disagree more. It’s the players that have the guts to make their own destiny that are legends.
You missed my point.
It’s easier to go to IU or Kentcuky or Kansas or Duke. Everybody knows them. More kids grow up imagining playing for them or sinking the winning shot for them.
It’s tougher to find the really good kids who want to light their own way. Who want to do do the task which is harder, creating something, than blend in a be a piece of the machine that is IU,KU,UK, UNC or Duke hoops.
I realize what you probably meant, but what you said I felt was incorrect. The “nobody” should have been most, and I only point that out because the exceptions are spectacular. Rick Mount and Glenn Robinson come to mind first, absolute legends of the game. But I also think of Brian Cardinal, Brad Miller and Carl Landry. Middling recruits that have gone on to become very good college and NBA players. And now we have Smoodge and JJ moving on. Heck, even Kramer has had more of a pro look than any expected. Purdue has always developed players and that will begin to resonate with the recruits Purdue wants as MP continues this legacy.
I just generally disagree with your overall outlook for Purdue. This is a down year, undoubtedly. But we have solid classes coming in and will soon be back at the level we were the past few years. MP had a few disappointing recruiting years after the Baby Boilers, but in a couple years we will have as strong and deep a roster as we have ever had and I don’t think we will falter again as long as MP is here. I think he has learned a lot about what he needs to be consistently at the top of the B10 and will move forward accordingly and successfully.



















