Foiled Again! Kelsey Barlow Dismissed From Purdue
by BoilerTMill on Feb 17, 2012 3:42 PM EST
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PrintIn 2010 it was The Injury
In 2011 it was The Injury: The Sequel, followed by Kelsey Barlow being suspended from the postseason.
Now, for the third year in a row, a Purdue season is derailed by something completely unexpected just as everything was coming together. Kelsey Barlow has shockingly been thrown off of the Purdue men's basketball team for his actions last night at Where Else which led to D.J. Byrd getting arrested. Byrd, who has been on fire of late, has been suspended for Sunday's game against Michigan State.
Once again, this could not have come at a worse time. Byrd was playing incredibly well in Purdue's last three games, while Barlow was emerging as a consistent offensive threat to get to the basket in addition to his usual stout defense. Barlow knew he was on thin ice after last year's suspension that is still shrouded in mystery, so he has no one to blame but himself if he was thrown out of Where Else last night.
As for this year's team, you have to move on. The loss of Byrd stings more from an offensive standpoint for Sunday. It likely means more minutes from John Hart and Anthony Johnson, who are not nearly as reliable of shooters or defenders as Byrd and Barlow. It is up to them to get at least two more wins so Purdue can still make the NCAA Tournament.
This is a sutation much like two years ago when Hummel was injured with three games to play. Purdue only needed two wins against weaker opponents to still win a share of the Big Ten. Now, they need two wins against weaker opponents (Penn State and Nebraska) to reach 19 wins, nine in the Big Ten, and be likely safe for the NCAAs.
It does make Sunday's game against Michigan State and trips to Michigan and Indiana difficult, but not impossible. I have seen Purdue band together and move forward after difficult circumstances more times than I care to remember. They have still managed to get it done, and I have complete faith that the NCAA Tournament is far from conceded at this point. We cannot, and will not concede a single game the rest of the year. Why? Because we haven't before.
It's becoming an unfortunate refrain, but the goals remain the same. D.J. Byrd now becomes the main senior leader on next year's team that will also have Dru Anthrop and John Hart in their final years. That means we're going young again next year as the next wave of recruits comes in like 2007 all over again. As for this year, we concede nothing.
This team is still going to the NCAA Tournament and it will pull off at least one upset down the stretch here simply because we've been written off after losing players before only to come back and fight like mad bastards. That's the precedent I am basing my optimism on until proven otherwise. Ryne Smith, Lewis Jackson, and Robbie Hummel will certainly not go down quietly. If you think we're done and NIT bound I invite you to tell those three young men that.
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Derailed
I know the dude had some shining moments and plays good D, but maybe this might open things up for the next man. AJ has the talent, he just needs the experience. This season probably wasn’t going too deep in the tourney anyway.
Yep
Just look how it hurt us last year.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 17, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Lot's of good things can come from a bad.
I hate to see him go, but he is gone. Got to keep going without him.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Feb 17, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Kramer just tweeted this:
Rough day for Purdue Basketball, but with all of this brings opportunities for others that may not have gotten them this year. #BePrepared
by Boiler_Ditsor on Feb 17, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I miss Kramer too.
I love the old Chris Kramer , “Fuck it, I’m taking over this shit” attitude.
Wish we had a guy like him………
Close by the Wabash, In famed Hoosier land, Stands old Purdue, Serene and Grand, Cherished in Memory,By all her sons and daughters true, Fair Alma Mater, All Hail Purdue
Scholarships
What does this mean to our recruiting? Can we still pick anyone for 2012 class?
Is he done for sure next year?
I think people are assuming, but did I miss something?
by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 17, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
"Dismissed from the program"
From GBI twitter
Also
2nd year in a row he’s been suspended. No way Painter lets him back in the door.
UGH
I did see that. I was just hoping it was “dismissed” for the year.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Feb 17, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
It’s disappointing to say the least, but Barlow has been skating thin ice for some time now. Yes, he has been terrific of late, but you have to set limits and stand by them otherwise you end up with an undisciplined, mess of a team regardless of the talent.
I would assume they will just give Barlow's scholarship to a walkon next year.
If you give it to another 2012 recruit, it clogs things up again for future classes.
We have another scholarship for use in 2013 possibly. Bryson's brother?
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
maybe graduate
like Brandon Wood
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Feb 17, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Two things are hard here
1. Hard to not lose some optimism for the season. Just the way it is.
2. Hard to feel too bad for Barlow. You’ve given the wonderful opportunity to play scholarship bball in college. After a previous incident, not learning your lesson is unacceptable. I’d feel the exact same way if Byrd got himself in trouble again (this year or next).
One thing for sure...
It isn’t easy being a Boilermaker. Amazing how we always get kicked in the stomach when things are starting to come together. It’s also sad, because I always had a fondness for Barlow. I saw the raw talent in him two years ago, and always said he was a potential NBA player if he got his stuff together. It’s too bad for him, and his dad. Last year, we frequently saw shots of his dad watching in the crowd. I didn’t see that once this year. Strange. I just hope he learns from it, but one thing’s for sure, he screwed his teammates and Purdue fans for the last time.
Like seriously? He got kicked out for forgetting his wallet?
Plus the bouncers at Where Else can be douchebags…this whole situation is really dumb.
It seems to imply
that there was more to this than has been reported. This would indicate that Barlow was more involved in the incident than is in the news, and Painter was tired of his crap.
I'll have to ask my friend that's a bouncer at where else what all happened
Because there is no way they will tell us what all happened that night.
Please post a response
This is jacked up
by boilerbacker31 on Feb 17, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Where Else is the place I was ever in handcuffs for ‘legal’ issues. Walked away, but that was a nerve-wracking 25 min
by Boilers35 on Feb 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We will be fine !
Kelsey was a good player and on the rise . But we will be fine more minutes for Terone and AJ, Travis will play more minutes against MSU. We will be fine.
Playing Travis and AJ more minutes isn't "fine". Sorry.
Who’s our back up point guard? God forbid LewJack’s back starts barking.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
TJ?
Wasn’t that his normal position in HS?
Guess you've never heard "reccuring pain" called "barking",
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have not
And picturing a dog for a back is funnier anyway
Sure, it's funnier.
But only one of us was trying to be funny.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I respectively disagree...
I feel the greatest effect will be on the remainder of this season. This team can definitely fill the voids in the offseason.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Why ?
If we lost hummel or Byrd I would would say we were in trouble but were guard heavy. He was not a leader and not a scorer . We will play lewjack more and terone i’m Ok with that.
If only
someone had driven their car through Where Else yesterday…
by jhenke89 on Feb 17, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
T-Mill gets 3rd raise in monthly stipend...
And Boilergal loses her job for surfing the net during work- well, not yet!
Purdue Students
should protest WhereElse this entire weekend. If Hummel was there when Barlow went back to the bar, then I think it couldn’t have been that bad. Then something must have happened and the cop drive up…now the whole thing blows up.
I wish there was an edit button
Purdue students should protest and not go to WhereElse all weekend.If Hummel was there when Barlow went back to the bar, then I think it couldn’t have been that bad. Then something must have happened and the cop drive up…now the whole thing blows up.
by boilerbacker31 on Feb 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've been protesting by never going to Where Else anyway
But that being said, I hate this idea of blaming the bar when Barlow and Byrd are clearly the ones who fucked up
Why not get the guy his wallet?
If he was there, they had to know it was his 21st birthday. Why not give him the wallet?
by boilerbacker31 on Feb 17, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing they were closing and not letting people back in the place...
Only a guess based on the time all hell broke loose.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
the silver lining
should be that AJ and TJ will get more PT. They’ll be a huge part to Purdue’s success next year so it may benefit them to get thrown into “tourney” style basketball down the strech, that that will be worth it.
by boilerbacker31 on Feb 17, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
well
that doesn’t mean I think they’re fine. Barlow was the only guy that could guard every position on the other team. We’ll see how bad that hurts them. AJ and TJ are going to have to play really well.
by boilerbacker31 on Feb 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I could
argue that his rebound against UofI at the end of the game won the game.
by boilerbacker31 on Feb 17, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone thought
of burning Hale’s redshirt? Just stirring the pot here……
Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the Grace of God!
What purpose would that serve?
Not trying to be a dick.. Just seems to waste a redshirt at this point in the season. Barlow’s and Hale’s game are completely different.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't make sense
to burn a power forward’s redshirt to help fill in for a player that played predominantly as a guard.
Just expect more from TJ and AJ.
http://theboilermaker.blogspot.com/
by Bryan Steedman on Feb 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Touche....
…on all accounts. I’m just freaking out here….sorry. GDB!!!!
Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the Grace of God!
At this point in the season...
it’s better to consider the future.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
There is one common denominator
over the past three years: Michigan State.
2010: They were our next opponent after the Hummel injury.
2011: They were our first opponent in the BTT after the Barlow suspension.
2012: This crap.
by Southern Illinois Boiler on Feb 17, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions
I always liked Barlow.. regardless of his transgressions
Not my place to judge. And I am doing fine with the news. My 27 years of following purdue bball has prepared me well for disappointments like these. Just want to say that I liked aspects of his game and seemed explosive, and after these past games was thinking he was going to be really good rest of this year and next.
Barlow never quite played.......
to his full potential, I feel. He was starting to pick it up the last few games for sure. Obviously, Painter was fed up with his antics.
by BoilerPassineau on Feb 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I thought this year was really his breakout year and he finally got all the other off court stuff together. It’s really too bad, because he was one of the most entertaining players to watch and brought a ton to the team. I know Painter’s gotta do what he’s gotta do, but can’t say I won’t miss Barlow.
when the can webber
now we have a scholarship for him to bring his best recruit
What are the odds
That Barlow becomes the latest Big Ten player to transfer to ISU?
Reaction images? I got 'em
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by Danulas on Feb 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Mayor has a spot for you!
Come on out to Ames!
by Funk Soul Bubby on Feb 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Why not if you are Barlow he has turned around a whole bunch of troubled transfers
Part if it might be the fact that their isn’t anything to do in Ames but still
It's not like West Lafayette is a particularly happening place either
And Barlow still blew it
I spent 2 days in Ames this past September
It makes West Lafayette look like Las Vegas.
by septimusharding on Feb 18, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Sucks that Jaquan Lyle will be at the game
Hopefully we can still impress him.
Meh. He's IU all the way. I'm excited about Wideman, Blueitt, and Thompson.
Among others.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't say that
the IU connection with him is overblown. but i think purdue’s playing from behind here. gun to my head, i say he goes to Oak Hill next year (or the year after) and then goes to a high-profile national college.
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Feb 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I agree here
I think he is closer to Ohio State to be honest. He was hanging out with Sullinger and wearing a aO$U sweatshirt.
Barlow wasn't All B1G or anything
He will be missed. Time for someone else to step up?
Losing Barlow was inevitable. He was not a good Purdue fit.
DJ Byrd missing opportunity to test his hot streak vs. MSU is worse.
Ask Painter
Ask Matt Painter… he’s the one that dropped him. (and he is the only one that matters)
It’s not like we didn’t see this coming?
by Boilers2Indy on Feb 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have his number?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Lewjack and Hummel were both there too
Were they not good Purdue fits either? What about Byrd? This was just the third strike kinda thing…Honestly I’ll have to wait for more info to make a judgment….
I actually agree...
Barlow seemed the least like a Purdue player the past few years. Amazing athlete, aloof headcase. It’s usually the other way around.
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Barlow was a good defender and a match up problem for other team's guards...
who replaces that? Hart? Anthony Johnson?
No.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully the atmosphere in the locker room will improve
Having a knucklehead like Barlow(I think it’s safe to say he is a knucklehead) can’t be great for the atmosphere and overall togetherness of a locker room
Lineup for Sunday
Do we go this way…
G Jackson
G Smith
G T. Johnson
F Hummel
C Carroll
OR do we go super big with this….
G Jackson
G Smith
F Hummel
F Lawson
C Carroll
Input would be appreciated…….
Work hard, live strong and BOILER UP!!
by BearsSoxBoilers on Feb 17, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions
Play Lawson
This will be a football match. Play Lawson at Left Tackle to block for Hummel.
by Boilers2Indy on Feb 17, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Was thinking the same thing
This will turn into a rugby scrum
Work hard, live strong and BOILER UP!!
by BearsSoxBoilers on Feb 17, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Like the Duke Sweet Sixteen game "that year"...
That was the most desperately ugly beautiful thing I’ve seen in awhile (up until the end).
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 17, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Liking this football analogy
but I see Lawson more as a big-play TE, Jackson the speedy deep threat, Carroll the FB: block out and don’t touch the ball.
"The thing about Brett Favre is, he's good football player. You think of a good football player, you think about Brett Favre." - John Madden
SCREW IT ALL
F: HUMMEL
F: LAWSON
F: CARROL
F/C: MARCIUS
and PG is Jackson of course. He will put up 50 points because no one will be able to see him.
Off Tackle Left! Marcius as pulling guard.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 17, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
"But the goals remain the same"
Should be our new motto. Happens every year it seems.
by Eric Klemmensen on Feb 17, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Gallows humor...
But this comment isn’t getting the respect it deserves.
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 17, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's a good thing I have a birthday party to attend.
And its even better that it has free beer.
Purdue Athletics: Causing early alcoholism since God knows when.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Feb 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
ugh
Then Hail! All Hail To Old Purdue! Our Alma Mater True, And We'll Ever Stand, Ev'ry Heart And Hand, For The Honor Of Old Purdue!
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by jennnnnn on Feb 17, 2012 4:31 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Seriously, not a surprise.
Is anyone really shocked by this?
I feel bad for DJ Byrd, but not Barlow.
I’m sure Painter was clear on what was expected.
I feel a little bad for Barlow
Not sure what this does to his chances of staying in school. It’s sad to see a kid screw up a great opportunity.
Condition #1: Never lose your wallet
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly!!
Just show self discipline, work hard, do what coach asks of you- and you will get opportunities. Be a dumbass and Painter will let you know. This is one of the reasons I love Painter as a coach- his fabric shares Purdue values and it shows.
Captains next year?
Does Byrd get a captain’s spot? I’d like to see AJ and Byrd as the emotional leaders next year.
24-36 hours
What the hell happed to Painter taking 24-36 hours to deliberate on the situation?
No reason to leave everyone danging in the wind once you have all the info.
Measured quick decisions are a good thing once you have all the info. It’s unfair to all parties involved to leave them hanging for a longer period than needed
Doesn't "in the next" 24-36 hours include the next few hours?
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he's established a minimum baseline
More to follow. Kind of like assistant coach Mike Jackson getting pulled over for DUI. Which may’ve been an overlooked loss in its own right.
by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 17, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Is no one else questioning
why these guys were out at 3am on a Thursday during the season? Don’t they have workouts or practice in the morning? Is there no in-season curfew?
I agree
Lots of other people don’t seem to, but I think it’s ridiculous. Birthdays or not, Over 21 or not, there are bigger things for these guys than going out to the campus bars. Especially for someone with the level of talent and potential as Barlow. I get that Painter can’t babysit his team, but it seems like he “enforces the rules” after the fact.
Is he suppose to follow them around
or tag them with GPS? lol These aren’t kids at this point… They are young adults… Act like it.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 17, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well, usually not
Plenty of research shows that people do not think as adults until about 26 years of age. I can see that in my own experience, and in many examples around me. When you’re 35 or 40, think about how stupid you were in your 20’s.
by Leading Edge Boomer on Feb 17, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I am 34
I have never been arrested. I never risked a scholarship. I never got into a fight with a bouncer. Certainly I was “publicly intoxicated” and drove home after too many more times than I should have…and fortunately by the grace of God I never hurt anyone or myself doing so. So in youth you make poor decisions but that is not a free pass. As a scholarship athlete you are held accountable.
Driving drunk is worse than anything Barlow did the other night
by weasel cleaner on Feb 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Ben Hoadley is hereby dismissed from the Purdue Basketball program
Glad we got that cleared up.
by septimusharding on Feb 18, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
and...
It wasn’t just a single mistake with Barlow… he had MULTIPLE opportunities to get his act together and just couldn’t do it. Although I feel bad, kicking him off the team HAD to happen. Almost too many chances as it is.
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Feb 18, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
HOADLEY
“Sure, I’ve gotten away with a bunch of DUI’s, but Barlow going out for his 21st is just deplorable” – YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Meet me at Where Else at Midnight and I will punch your fucking face.
....
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 18, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Barlow always seemed like a rotten apple. Dismissing him and suspending Byrd for a game before one of the biggest games of the year is why I respect the Purdue program. Would either be suspended if they were at Kentucky? Not a chance.
I think Purdue is in regardless (the field is extremely weak this year) but I really hope this doesn’t mess up Hummel’s farewell. If he wasn’t a Boilermaker he would be one of my favorite players of all time. He can’t seem to catch a break.
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
MSU is likely a loss now.
But after that, we can still beat Nebraska and PSU to get to 9-9.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Believe in Hummel! A lesser Minnesota team knocked the Hoosiers off at home, Penn State gave us a run, etc. I’m not hoping it happens, but it is certainly possible. I will stop roaming your boards now, but seriously, good luck the rest of the way and take pride in knowing that Painter did the right thing while most in college hoops would conveniently look the other way or do everything in their power to get their guy(s) out of trouble.
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
The thing that irks me the most...
MSU is going to get us at our absolute worse this year.
Unfortunately...
The selection comittee doesn’t get footnotes.
Due to travel difficulties, players only got 2 hours of sleep.
*Due to drinking and partying into the early mourning, Barlow was booted and Byrd benched.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 17, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Missing Barlow's Rebounding
Can someone answer this: Barlow was 2nd leading RB, who picks up that slack?
LAWSON!!!!
Who magically solves his foul problems the rest of the season!
(okay, I’m dreaming, but still…..)
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
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by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
MSU will keep shooting until it finally goes in.
Nix and Payne can rebound, which is good for MSU, because they miss 4ft shots by 2ft
by Boilers2Indy on Feb 17, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
We should adopt the "Purdue Way" to keep this from happening.
Also by following this method, MSU’s players would have lot more free time in March.
I respect Painter tremendously for doing what he had to do.
I’m sure it is for the best in the long term.
Here's the thing I don't really get.
So Barlow gets kicked out and wants to go back so he gets other guys?
Why exactly did no one say that this was a BAD idea? If he got Rob, DJ, and maybe Lew, did none of them think to tell Kelsey to wait until tomorrow once evrything cooled down?
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It didn't happen like that.
I’ll see what gets released before I say anything else. Just going to say Kelsey was being an idiot.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 17, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
im just going based off what was reported.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Feb 17, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly. Copied from other thread.
What I’m really not understanding here is the reported story. So you allegedly get kicked out of a bar, think you left your wallet inside, they don’t let you back in, so you (here are the points I don’t understand)
1) Call a bunch of your friends on the basketball team, not just one or two mild-mannered friend.
2) THEY COME ("Hey, Kelsey, it’s 3 in the morning man, what, you left your wallet inside a bar? I’ll be right there with the others!")
3) They can’t figure out a way for one or two of them to go in and check for the whereabouts of this wallet?
In what universe does this happen?
ive been kicked out of a bar and still had my tab open
I calmly called one of my friends and had them go in and close it for me.
I didnt grab 4 of them and try to bum rush the door.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Feb 17, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, they were down at Harry's at the time of the "call"...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 17, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Let's put it this way.
If you think you had lost your wallet in a bar full of young people, would you wait until morning to check?
I'm not sure why CMP is taking horrendous blame for doing EXACTLY the right thing.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions
Who's giving him "horrendous" blame?
by BoilertotheBone on Feb 17, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard at least one person say Painter isn't enforcing rules by letting the players go out to bars.
Seriously?
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hah
I guarantee he does let them. I saw JJ out last year with Lewjack in Brothers.
i saw Robbie and JJ at where else last year, shook JJ's hand.
if i remember right, it was right after a game, maybe the OSU game.
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Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Anyone ever see Green and Calasan out?
Lol Green was kinda a creeper.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 17, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
couldn't have been OSU since it was on a sunday.
looking back a bit further, i think it was after the IU game, and was JJ’s birthday
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Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
that's even crazier. that was a tuesday night. hell i don't remember.
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Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
It was
JJ and I have the same birthday. and We had shots together at Brothers
by kristinemarie42 on Feb 17, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not placing the blame all on Painter
But personally, I don’t think the players should be out at the bars, in season at 3:00 in the morning during the most critical stretch of the year. I get that lots of people disagree and say, how can put rules like that on 21-22 year olds, they’re college students, they should be responsible themselves, etc. etc. But it seems like (from what I’ve heard) the players are there quite often, and something was bound to happen. Maybe Barlow would’ve gotten kicked off eventually for something else, but I don’t think the players being out every weekend helps anyone’s chances.
I agree...
On nights before games, also anything other than during the NCAA tournament should be up to the players.
We might not have to worry about having rules for the tournament this year...
All the guys can do whatever they want if our season’s over by then anyways.
I never questioned Painter's decisions
in the suspension or dismissal. In fact, I fully support his decisions. I am also not saying that player’s should not go out. However, I don’t think a curfew during the season (especially for a player on zero tolerance) is such a bad idea. I don’t trust drunken 21 year-olds to make good decisions at 3am (and my job/winning record aren’t even in their hands). They are high profile on campus which can invite others to try to start trouble with them. Also, very easy to enforce because again, eveyone there knows who they are.
by ChipBoilerMav on Feb 17, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Also, in my first post, I was not criticizing enforcement of rules but actually just honestly wondering if they had morning practices and whether they had a curfew – I guess I assumed they did. But, that may just be from my days at Central Michigan (they had ‘no bar’ rules during the season). Then again, the football players (including a former student of mine) were also charged with a murder just after I left there in 2004.
by ChipBoilerMav on Feb 17, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
This is just my opinion as we have been hit by the "Idiot Flu" in our athletic program on more than one occasion.
More often in football than basketball but you would hope that the players that you have are smart enough to understand the important of being fully focused during the season.
Having a beer and blowing off steam is one thing…Out to 3am and getting arrested is another.
I personally never drank during my season.
I dont agree or disagree until I 100 percent know what Barlow did.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Feb 17, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
But what are the chances of that being released?
Why he was benched last year was never released.
well, this took place in a public setting with police reports and what not.
kind of hard for that not to be available.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Feb 17, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
But it was 3:30
Bars still close at 3:00 I assume? It isn’t that far fetched that everyone was out talking still. He didn’t necessarily call a bunch of ppl to go after whatever he wanted.
I would seriously kill to have our bars open til 3.
but thats not here nor there.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Feb 17, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
lol
I can’t stay awake if I’m drinking that long anymore… Takes some serious red bull action.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 17, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
He got booked at the station at 3:30
So, assuming time for arrest, sobriety tests, transport to jail, the cop probably nabbed him around 3:00.
With the additional comments about battering a bouncer, I’m thinking one possibility is they showed up nea/afterr close to get the wallet, the bouncers wouldn’t let them in and it escalated.
They close at 3
but really not totally closed until 3:30ish
by Boiler_Ditsor on Feb 17, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Strong words...
Chris Kramer @C_K_3 Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
Its times like this that make me wish I was at Purdue and could have handled this situation without anyone getting in trouble.
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Was going to share this
We have talked about leadership problems all season.
Well there we go. Kramer probably knows the whole story by now, and I really believe he would have handled it better than anyone currently on the roster.
Man, I miss CK3.
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by BoilertotheBone on Feb 17, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Painter needs to hire Kramer to be an "Director of Player Development" or something like that
Kramer would be a great help to the players dealing with issues like this. Lost you wallet in a bar, call Chris. Got drunk and need a ride home from Campus Suites, call Chris. Having problems with your girl, call Chris. In general just a fixer that solves little problem and provides advice to currently players when the need it. Of course he wouldn’t break any laws or NCAA rules just helps keeps the guys out of trouble and on the right path
Plus he would be great pushing them in the weight room and on the practice court. He could spend a bunch of time with coaches learning more about game planning, film study, recruiting, and the X’s and O’s leading him to an assistant spot down the road.
by MNBoiler on Feb 17, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, for when it's the player's own fault
Kramer would hopefully go all drill sergeant on em in practice the next few days.
But yeah, great idea. Unless Cardinal is in line first?
by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 17, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Michigan have someone like this?
I remember a special on Tom Brady where they talked about some adviser or something who was basically like a dad for the athletes. He apparently helped out Tom a lot.
Hummel might be too polite
If Kramer getting inside some opponents’ heads means anything, I doubt he’d back down from a bouncer.
I don’t think Kramer would’ve taken the first swing at all, just that I think he could’ve been more likely to say “Just look for the wallet, already. We’ll deal with our teammate later.” And get something like a meek yessir.
by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 17, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, forgot to mention I saw that
Also forgotten that I can picture him yelling at Kelsey beforehand…so as not to blow it.
Kelsey has a few inches on him but then again Kramer guarded centers in college at times.
by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 17, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure that all shoes have dropped
I would not be surprised if Painter has Hummel and Jackson sit until the first media TO.
by Danwesley Meyer on Feb 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions
Frustrated
This is so frustrating. We had just played our 3 best, consecutive, games only to have this happen.
I do give Painter credit for running a tight ship, but it’s starting to feel like we are just running our head into a wall with this approach. So far it really hasn’t helped us do anything remarkable, except point out that this wouldn’t happen at places like Columbus and Lexington. But I’m tired of just being a high morale program. I want to win!
It’s even more frustrating that with just barely over a season left on Kelsey’s carreer it comes to an end. That leaves us with one true senior for next year. We aren’t going to fill his scholarship with anyone except a walkon. At this point it just seems like it would have been smart to stick with him for the remainder of his scholarship. Looking back it’s too bad Painter didn’t send him packing after last years debacle. Especially because that could have opened the door for another ’12 recruit.
In the end I respect CMP for sticking to his guns, but it’s just tough to watch him run a tight ship, and not really benefit from it.
Ohh well I still have faith in this team. Hopefully AJ takes advantage of this and realizes he’s not going to get pulled for mistakes so he can just play instead of trying to not screw up.
by Boiler17 on Feb 17, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We're going to win. You have to look at a picture boarder than this year.
We have a huge class coming in next year and a better one in 2013. We now have another scholarship to give out in 2013.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I will.
Barlow would have graduated after next year so, no, we don’t have an extra scholly for 2013.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 17, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Someone else's Grad student
Why not steal someone else’s 5th year Senior. Worked for MSU (basketball), and Wisconsin football landed a decent QB using that rule. Doesn’t have to be a great player. Just one that has experience and can fill a role.
by Boilers2Indy on Feb 17, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
What is the realistic short term impact of Painter's philosophy?
Last year, would we have beaten VCU with Barlow? He would have helped but I think we can all agree not by 20 points. This year, we should still win the games that we are expected to and probably won’t win the games we are not. Maybe we eek out one more victory this season if we still have Barlow. Big Deal. Same with next year. We won’t be a top 25 team with or without him. On the plus side, some of the younger guys get an opportunity to develop and the program maintains its integrity. Longer term, I think that has more value.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 17, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Chemistry
Mainly just the team chemistry falling apart. You are correct and this could be more of a blessing in disguse. Let’s hope so!
Losing Barlow hurts the team's chemistry?
Got it.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 17, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
So you're blaming the VCU loss on Barlow hurting the team's chemistry?
Again, got it.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 17, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
I’m not going to convince you no matter what I say.
No matter what you call it, losing anyone this deep in the seaon is going to effect a team. IMO this year we will miss him even more because of the smaller margin of error this team has compared to last year.
by boilerbanker on Feb 17, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know that next year's team isn't a top 25 team? You haven't seen the freshmen yet.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Let me see.
We just played our three best consecutive games to RAISE our RPI to 46. We lose Hummel, Lewjack, Smith, and now Barlow and replace them with 5 Freshmen. That’s approximately 65% of our scoring that needs to come from somewhere else. I have high hopes for our 2012 too but to expect next year’s team to be significantly better than this year’s is kinda silly. Next year we should look for development and progress.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 17, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not silly, optimistic
Hummel is the only irreplacable player we are losing. Next years team will not start 5 freshman no matter, and it will provide less mismatch issues, especially inside.
The one thing we may have a weakness at, interestingly, is outside shooting with Hummel and Smith leaving, which makes Byrd’s presence critical. But I have watched enough of AJ in high school to know he will step up in that area next year, if not this year with more playing time likely headed his way.
This is morphing into the old "optimist vs. realist" arguement.
Hey I hope you’re optimism is validated. I hope they are a reincarnation of the 2007 class too. My problem is when hope becomes expectation. When that happens you see the “Fire Painter” and “we have DIII players” comments. I’m not saying you are doing that but I have seen it. I stated that it would be silly to expect next year’s team to be top 25 and I stand by that. But I certainly hope they are.
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 18, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
2007 class
Never said they would even approach 2007 class. If there is one thing we need to do, it’s stop comparing every class to 2007.
I just think Hammons presence will have a huge impact. If we would have had just one possession against Xavier/Butler where we could simply bring the ball down and toss it inside for an easy bucket, we would have won both games. And probably been ranked at that point. Further, Hammons doesn’t even have to be dominant, just capable offensively.
Then Lawson can slide to his natural 4 spot. If you are wondering why Lawson doesn’t play more, it’s because he isn’t a 5 and that’s where he is forced to play with Rob in that spot. Lawson has no idea how to score with his back to the basket. Well, that’s coachable you might say. But they don’t waste their time with that because after this year he will never play any real length of time at the 5 again. Ever.
You watch Dawson next year at MSU. He will explode. Simply explode, because he will get back closer to the basket after Green graduates. Remember that rebound Lawson had against Illinois where he snatched the rebound and then got pushed a bit and traveled or stepped out of bounds? Well, with another year in the weight room and in practice and Hammons pulling defensive pressure, I see that ball being monster dunked from the 4 spot. Many times. Carroll will play better in his minutes at the 4 as well.
And it has less to do with freshman being All Big Ten and more to do with players playing positions they are built for and more comfortable in.
The most obvious way this impacts next season, is that RJ will have to step in and play significant, effective minutes as a freshman. That may very well be the key to next season. But I expect him to. I have said for some time that I believe RJ will step in and play very well as a freshman point guard.
So, you can say “optimist vs realist” all you want, but I think things through much more than that. I see it as it is, “optimist vs. pessimist.” If my biggest fault as a Purdue fan is being an optimist, so be it.
Hmmm, I feel like this monster wall of text needs documentaion….
I Know
It just seems like Painter is a straight shooter and does thing the right way, and he’s even recruited great players with high character like Randle and Harris, but still lost out on them. Not to mention Willis.
I’m still a big fan of Painter and I’m glad he keeps our programs name squeaky clean, it just frustrating.
BTW I don’t think Barlow affects the ’13 class since he would have graduated before they got to campus.
A little harsh...
…I’m okay with him getting kicked off the team, but kick out of school? Not sure if he would have stayed around, but this seems a little harsh. Of course, we don’t know the full story.
I haven't read anything that says he's be dismissed from school
Just kicked off the team – he is probably still enrolled.
you have
to honnor the scholarship for the entire year . I have rented to players before they pay for 12 months at a time.
AJ will step up
I’ve been waiting all year for AJ to step up and be the 4 star recruit that we signed.
AJ's got NEXT
Have him start practicing the ‘Choke’ sign for the IU game?
by Boilers2Indy on Feb 17, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
AJ has the same temperament as Barlow
But I think a better head.
Barlow/Byrd
My guess is that Byrd, Hummel, and whoever was there from the team knew that Barlow was on secret double probation with Painter. In an attempt to be good teammates and hopefully keep Barlow out of trouble Byrd got wrapped up in a guilty by association type action. TMill did a great job continuing to stay positive. I know this sounds a little twisted, but if I am Hart, AJ, TJ, Lawson I am pumped up because here is a chance for me to step up and show what I can go given substantial minutes.
Barlow a great defender
I know Barlow is supposed to be a great defender, but overall this is the worst defensive team Painter has put on the floor in a while anyway. If we win, we win with offense anyway. Barlow could score, but not shoot.
Barlow a Versatile Defender
I think the most important thng about Barlow was he could guard anyone from the 1 -3 spot making him a very versatile defender. That allowed us to play “small” the last two or three games.
We still gave up almost 70 pts a game.
He doesn’t make THAT big of a difference. I agree with Boilers2Indy.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Barlow Defense
Oh certainly not, nobody makes a 70 point difference, I just thought his versaitilay from being a back up-point guard who could guard an opposing swing forward, shooting guard or point gave us options. I wouldn’t feel comfortable having John Hart or AJ or TJ guard an opposing point guard or even a solid #3.
Barlow was No CK3
We always wanted Barlow to be CK3’s replacement, but he never was.
KenPom
Our defense is #81 this year, our offense #19 which matches last yr with ET, JJ
This is as high as our offense has been in 6 years.
And the lowest our defense has been (next lowest #16 in 2008)
Forget Barlow, let’s just outscore our opponents.
(Byrd on the other hand is our most efficient offensive player of late)
by Boilers2Indy on Feb 17, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Will this affect our tourny chances?
I can’t see how losing a starter would help our chances. Our seeding dropped when Hummel got injured a couple years ago, and I know Barlow isn’t close to that caliber, but I felt we were on the bubble prior to this. I’m sure the commitee doesn’t get footnotes, but can’t see how this would help our cause at all.
I feel like a battered spouse with Purdue athletics
Seriously, I can’t stop loving them no matter how much they hurt me. This shit is ridiculous! Just when it looked like the team was coming together, this happens. I was a big Barlow fan. He had me at the choke sign against iu. He did have a bad attitude, but when he was good, he was good. I do not care who gets kicked off of a team at this point in a season, it is going to negatively affect the team. G! D! B!
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by Vincent J. Ricardo, FBI on Feb 17, 2012 7:32 PM EST reply actions
How does eligibility work in a situation like this?
Does he have sit a year due to transfer rules? If so, does that count against the one year he has left?
I figured he'd have to wait a year to go to another D1 school
I thought the only way you can play right away is if you have that hardship waiver thing (a la Jake Kelly at ISU) or you graduated and enrolled at another school when your original school didn’t have that degree program (which still boggles my mind as to how Jeremiah Masoli was able to get kicked out of Oregon and still played at Ole Miss)
That's right
Since he is dismissed, he can sit out next year and still have a year of eligibility. If he left the program on his own (example Scott Martin), he would have to sit out and lose a year of eligibility.
I'm pretty sure he has to sit out next season
If he lands at a D1 school. Korie Lucious got kicked off MSU earlier in the calendar year last season, and he’s sitting out this season.
by MSUDersh on Feb 18, 2012 12:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Team Chemistry
My question is, since there were other players there, they may very well be on Kelsey’s side, and disagree with his dismissal from the team. If that’s the case, they won’t play for CMP. This is purely speculation, but you get the sense from the story that the team may have been sticking up for Barlow, and therefore wouldn’t take kindly to his dismissal.
Do we know exactly who were there with Kelsey
besides Byrd and Hummel? TBH I am not too worried about how these two are going to play for CMP.
Dude.
You’re speculating WAAAAAAAAAAY out there.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Where do you think CMP got his info?
I’m speculating too here, but if Byrd is the one who goes to the clink, and Barlow is the one that gets tossed off the team something is weird. We can clearly see other players outside by the cop cars. If Barlow did anything stupid with the cops, he would have gone downtown too. I have to think the other players who were there told CMP exactly what happened and he made his decision.
That's my guess
Someone has spilled the beans, so he knows exactly what went down. I just wonder if they support the punishment.
by AAMB Boiler on Feb 17, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
According to Jake Query
Barlow and Painter had a previously signed contract that Kelsey should not be in bars. If that’s indeed the case, it did not require any player to say anything for Painter to make the decision.
Jake Query
Just tweeted that Kelsey signed something that said he wouldn’t goto bars. So, maybe that’s why the wallet was important.
Must’ve been a condition from last year.
Danny Hope right now-
Is wondering if Kelsey can transition over to play TE…………
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Barlow QB
Hope could add him to his QB collection.
by BQuietHiatt on Feb 18, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'd better drink a lot of water.
After 3 pm Sunday, I won’t have a voice. Win or lose.
by Jackson Brunner on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions
I HATE BOUNCERS
$500 says one of them was an “amateur MMA fighter” or a trainer at LA fitness. FUCK
AFFLICTION T-SHIRTS ARE SO COOL, BRO!
HAND ME ANOTHER CAN OF MONSTER!
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by GeorgiaBoiler on Feb 18, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Semantics question
Going back to the transfer/football questions, did he get booted from Purdue? Or just kicked off the team?
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