Purdue At Illinois Preview: A Huge Swing Game
I don't think I am overestimating when I say tonight's game in Champaign is the critical swing game of the final six. A victory makes our path to the NCAA Tournament much easier, as we would only need to beat Nebraska and Penn State to likely be safe. It also would mean an opening round Big Ten Tournament game as a five or six seed against one of the bottom teams to get that 20th win. Beating Illinois also takes the pressure off on the Michigan State/Michigan/Indiana games, where they can be luxury, seed improving wins as opposed to necessary victories just to reach the tournament. Finally, a victory tonight likely eliminates another Bubble team, as I don't see a 5-8 Illinois team coming back to reach .500 or better in the league.
A loss has the opposite effect. It jacks up the pressure to get one of those three wins over a ranked opponent, with two of them coming on the road. It revives the Fighting Illini and starts pitting their direct profile against our own. Record-wise, we'd be almost dead even, but their overall profile with the wins over Michigan State and Ohio State would be better.
It is a huge, huge, HUGE game. I tend to like Illinois, mostly because of Bruce Weber's coaching ties to the Gene Keady coaching tree and because Joe Kutsunis of Hail to the Orange is a robber baron amongst blogging men. But business is business, and I have to be selfish in wanting this game.
2011-12 record: 16-9, 5-7 Big Ten
2010-11 record: 20-14, 9-9 Big Ten, lost to Kansas 73-59 in NCAA 2nd round
Blog Representation: Hail to the Orange
Series with Purdue: Purdue leads 94-84
Last Purdue win: 75-60 on 12/31/2011 at Purdue (Purdue has won six straight)
Last Illinois win: 66-48 on 2/8/2009 at Illinois
Time & TV: 8:30 p.m. on Big Ten Network
Our previous victory this season over the Illini hinged on the performance of Mrs. T-Mill and I as part of the alumni Paint Crew. We personally willed our Boilers to 10 minutes of near transcendent basketball on the final day of 2011, as Purdue went on a 26-5 run to start the second half and played possibly its best stretch of basketball at any point during the 2011-12 season.
To get a repeat victory it is critical for Travis Carroll and Jacob Lawson to re-enact their performance on Meyers Leonard. Leonard was limited seven points and six rebounds in 24 minutes. Lawson didn't score, but started and played 18 minutes of solid defense. Carroll came off the bench for seven points, two rebounds, and two steals in 21 minutes as he repeatedly frustrated Leonard.
We learned that night that a frustrated Leonard is not a good Leonard. He makes turnovers. He fouls. He complains to the officials and visibly sulks on the court instead of doing what must be done. If anything, he knows that Travis Carroll of all people can get into his head, so I'd like to see TC repeat that tonight. Sandi Marcius didn't play because of his calf injury, but expect him to see some minutes tonight after sitting against Northwestern.
Brandon Paul and D.J. Richardson did most of the damage on New Year's Eve, combining for 32 of their 60 points. Sam Maniscalco was a virtual non-factor with four turnovers compared to one assist at the point. Tracy Abrams did a better job of running the offense off the bench.
Basically, it is a plus if Richardson and Paul decide to become all-everything players. That only becomes a negative if Paul inexplicably morphs into Michael Jordan like he did against Ohio State. Yeah, he had 28 against Minnesota, but he took 23 shots to get there in an overtime loss. Lately he has gotten his points, but has had to shoot a lot ot get them. The one outlier was the Ohio State game, where he was 11 of 15 from the field, 8 of 10 from three, and 13 of 15 from the line for an astounding 43 points. For a below 40% field goal shooter who is under 35% from long range for the season, that was an incredible game. He's capable of delivering that, but it is certainly not the norm.
The Illini have not recovered from a loss at Penn State. When they lost 54-52 in Happy Valley they were 15-3 coming in and leading the Big Ten at 4-1. They have since gone 1-6 with the only win a 42-41 win over Michigan State that made your eyes bleed if you watched it. The only reason Illinois won was a 14 of 58 shooting "performance" from the Spartans where Keith Appling was 1 of 11 and Draymond Green was 1 of 6. Even then, Michigan State got 18 offensive rebounds and Leonard was once again a non-factor.
This is a team on the verge of breaking. There are rumors that Weber won't survive the season, and this game tonight could absolutely be their breaking point. They still have to host Michigan and go to Wisconsin and Ohio State, while a trip to Nebraska and a home game against Iowa are hardly layups with the way they have played. Purdue has to come out and get an early lead in tonight. We have to have a similar confident offense that attacks the basket like in the last two games.
Kelsey Barlow needs to keep attacking the rim and I'd put him on Paul to fluster him. Robbie Hummel must also attack, as him getting to the line late against Northwestern was key. Finally, we need to keep D.J. Byrd hot, whether it is form long range or from getting to the basket. Our offense has been very good about sharing the basketball, moving without the ball, attacking the rim, and getting it to the open man of late.
We had 20 assists on Sunday. That, my friends is Purdue basketball. Our past few years have seen us have incredible talent with JJ and E'Twaun, but even those teams struggled when they did not share the basketball and move without it offensively. We cannot become stagnant again. I feel like we started to turn a corner against Ohio State and got a little further around it on Sunday against Northwestern. It is imperative to keep moving, keep attacking, and keep sharing. This team absolutely must play as a unit with all five players functioning in concert. We've seen what can happen if it does that. I think we're starting to see it come together at the absolute right time, but I still fear that dreaded inconsistency that has cost us in so many of our nine losses.
The Purdue of the last two games wins with ease tonight. The Purdue of the previous five loses. It is that simple.
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I am pumped
Playoffs start now people. This is a win-and-your-in game pretty much (because you have to think we will beat PSU and NEB at home).
by OldSchoolStyle on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions
Brucey...
I was one that was disappointed when Illinois snagged Weber in the final Keady years. Now I couldn’t be happier with that left Painter to fill the spot. Brucey’s whining has hardened any soft spot I had for him just because of his Purdue ties. I like that Painter owns him… will be sad to see him go.
hey, we officially lead the country in fewest turnovers per game
at 8.8 a game. Wisconsin is at 8.8 as well but we have one less turnover in the same amount of games as them.
that trophy is ours. I can smell it.
Correction
It is like 8.76 to 8.8 in favor of us.
Painter should pull a Hope
and say we’re ahead by a freckle for turnover margin at his next presser.
by SmallMarketBigPlays on Feb 15, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
There's a reason for that
We never make any entry passes.
They’re all easy passes around the perimeter.
Reaction images? I got 'em
Senior All-American Alto Sax
First to 65 wins
Work hard, live strong and BOILER UP!!
by BearsSoxBoilers on Feb 15, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions
Will at BWW's tonight
Will be watching both B1G games plus the UFC show.
Work hard, live strong and BOILER UP!!
by BearsSoxBoilers on Feb 15, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
it's usually first to 60
someday I’ll actually start tracking this on a large scale. I’d like to have the actual percentages handy.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Feb 15, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Michigan
I think we still got beat by Michigan with this rule.
Vs. UofM
Kodiak, while normally it seems to be 1st to 60. In the UofM game…it was def 1st to 65. We broke the 60 mark 1st en route to losing by 2. Hopefully it doesn’t come down to that tonight but if it does, I hope we’re on the winning side of that equation.
by yactownboiler12 on Feb 15, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just wanna see us move the ball consistently, don't stand around
Don’t jack threes all game long. Work the ball inside, slash, make good cuts, make good passes. If you see a cutter open, pass it to him! Don’t be afraid that you’re gonna turn it over. You’ll never know until you try. I hate seeing wide open cutters get ignored just because it’s not as easy of a pass as one around the perimeter.
Barlow: Keep driving and board up.
Byrd: If you’re open, shoot it. Hustle hustle hustle.
Robbie: Stay within your game, don’t try to do too much. Get to the line!
Ryno: Play better close out defense please. And let’s keep the pump fakes to a minimum.
LewJack: Stay healthy, play smart, get in the lane and don’t fall on your face.
TC: Piss off Leonard to no end. Keep him off the boards.
TJ: Keep playing like you have been. Drive, drive, drive. And if you get to the line, hit your FTs.
AJ: I like the floater, but show me something else! And keep hitting the boards.
Lawson: Don’t expect much O, but a putback slam and some solid rebounding will make me happy.
Getting pumped for this game. If we don’t come out fired up and raring to go with possibly our season on the line then I don’t know what will get us going. Let’s hope for a solid effort and a Boiler win! BTFU
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Absolutely agree on the cutters
We seem to have cured (knocks on wood) the stand around the perimeter and pass problem, aka the hot lava offense. I see a lot off cutters flashing through the lane toward the rim, but no one will make the pass. Like you said, I think they’re afraid of a turnover, but I’m willing a to trade an occasional turnover for some easy looks in close. Much has been made of our ability to keep from turning the ball over, but the truth is we just never make a risky pass.
by AAMB Boiler on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be overconfident.
While I agree that Illinois is falling apart you’re also playing against a guy who is coaching for his job and against a team who is playing for their coach’s job in addition to a chance at the big dance. Plus Vegas has you at 3 point dogs. It’ll more than likely be a close one.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Who is overconfident??
And, who cares what Vegas says? If Purdue plays as they have the past 2 games, they win. They don’t, they lose.
that's a simple way to put it.
Does how Illinois plays not have any impact on the outcome? In answer to your first question I’d say a lot of Purdue fans are overconfident. For some reason this season the Purdue fans I know have been much too confident after Ws and much too negative after loses. That same pattern seems to happen around here as well.
For the record I think Purdue wins this game. Byrd is playing lights out and I think Hummel will pretty much will this team to the dance if need be. I just don’t think Illinois is going to roll over for Purdue like some fans may think.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 15, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think most fans are very nervous for this game.
It’s probably more important for Illinois, but that’s not saying much because it’s almost as important for Purdue. If we don’t win this, we’re probably going to need an upset, and I don’t feel very comfortable needing a win over MSU, at IU or at Michigan.
It will be a tough game
Illinois most certainly will not roll over. Like TMill said, Weber is coaching for his job at this point, no way this team comes out flat. The recent burst of confidence stems from the way we played @ OSU. If we played like that every single game, we could be a force to be reckoned with. I know I’ve allowed some delusions of grandeur to creep into my head. Painter coached teams have a tendency to peak in January, or early February at the latest, and then sputter in the postseason. I don’t want to jinx it, but this team appears to be gelling and heading toward it’s peak at just the right time.
Of course you’re an IU fan, so you know all about peaking too early this season.
/trolled
The Illinois players have stopped responding to Weber. I doubt his job security really impacts whether they get up for the game.
Weber’s teams have a history of this. The Pruitt/Randle generation did, the McCamey/Tisdale/Davis generation did, and now this one looks like it is too.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 15, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I've said it on here before
but he’s the worst coach in the B1G (disregarding the Nebraska and PSU coaches, becuase they are new to me). How he’s survived this long is beyond me, but I’m happy with it. If they ever get a good coach in there the Illini will be a terror in the B1G with their Chicago recruting base. But Weber’s leadership and system destroy that program every year, no matter how many 4 and 5 stars they have filling their roster.
I think you're right on all of this, but to answer your question,
If Purdue plays like they played against Ohio State, then no, it doesn’t matter how Illinois plays. It matters who’s officiating.
/bazinga!
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I would disagree
I don’t think I’ve seen a lot of overconfidence.
Instead, there is a mix of negativeness against the team and optimism that they can turn it around. In all of that, I think the realism has still hit on a game by game level, where they can or can’t win based on measurable factors.
The overconfidence you reference is more of a celebration of fans saying “See, told you if they played like X they would win. We can win the next one if we play the same way”. I certainly wouldn’t consider any Purdue fan “cocky” this year. Last year or year before, absolutely, but you don’t go through as many soul crushing losses as we have had and still manage to be cocky (unless you are certifiably insane)
I'd love to meet these Purdue fans...
There is a huge difference between what I think they should do and what I think they will do. I am never overconfident that they will do what I think they should- not this season! Heck, until the horns blows at the end of the game, I am never confident that they will even pull a W. The Purdue fans that I know feel about the same… or they feel the potential of this team is even lower than I do… definitely no over-confidence!
Well one is my roommate
and most of the time I can’t tell if he’s actually confident or just putting on a show. It’s most often the latter. The other 2 are guys I work with and they’re just morons when it comes to basketball. To them Purdue winning the last 2 plus Illinois sucking as of late equals a Purdue victory.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 15, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh well in that case....
Good thing you came on Hammer and Rails to tell us all off!!!!
Obviously those 3 Purdue fans that you admit don’t know about basketball represent the Purdue fanbase as a whole.
Way to set us all straight!!!
I agree with you
but Vegas is typically very accurate. They are especially accurate on the over/under lines in games. I know that doesn’t really matter in the outcome, but I’m just making a point. Let’s hope they’re wrong in this one!
3 points in a bball game is basically a dead heat. Vegas doesn't think one team is significantly better than the other.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think 3 points is the difference of having home court
I know for football, you get 3 points for being home. So if that’s the case for basketball, then this game is a pick em on a neutral court.
this
If this game was on a neutral court itd be a pick em. Or you could so far as to say Purdue would be favored by a couple. Home court in the B1G is more important than in other conferences IMO since the officiating is so very terrible.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 15, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let's shut up the Orange Crush early
Make it sound like a home game and get home game results, Paint Crew Up!
"The thing about Brett Favre is, he's good football player. You think of a good football player, you think about Brett Favre." - John Madden
Second half of a double-header
Does this mean we get Gus Johnson for a second straight time?
"The thing about Brett Favre is, he's good football player. You think of a good football player, you think about Brett Favre." - John Madden
Close one
I have a feeling it is going to be a close and low scoring game. I don’t know why but if it is low scoring i like our chances better than the illini because I think our guys will want it more. Boiler Up!!
Unless the Illini go on some
heroic late season charge and deep tourney run, this will be the last game Purude fans will ever see Weber coach in the B1G. He seat is beyond warm, he doesn’t even really have a seat at this point by the sounds of their new AD.
Anyone else going to this game?
I am, pretty excited for it,
Super Tough Game...
Must win for Illinois they will want this bad (of course.. not to mention they have dropped 6 in a row to us.. just fuel tot he fire..). Can’t imagine them not wanting it more than Purdue unless the team has given up already. I agree with above post, have to take them out of the game early. What is great about Illinois it is like we are playing ourselves… This game is like Superman fighting Bizzaro Superman, except I would not call either superman .. anyway best comparison I could come up with…
Watching NW IU game
Tom Crean is probably the best clapper in basketball history
Refs letting them play for the most part
Looking lke it will be a good game.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 15, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say NW is being outright screwed
But every 50-50 call I see is going IU’s way. Hightower……
My first post here...
IU sucks.
That said, I’ve been a lurker for about a month and this is the best board around…most have decayed into pure negativity for both major sports.
by Boilers35 on Feb 15, 2012 7:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Haha, not as much as they use to.
There is a fair share of negativity here. Been a little brighter as of late with the good performance at OSU and win over NW. But by far my favorite place for Purdue info. Fell somewhat back at Purdue during these game threads.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 15, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’m fine with disagreement and even some negativity…but come on, try being reasonable. The JC board gets on Painter every time he farts. To want Painter fired right now is the definition of unreasonable, IMO.
by Boilers35 on Feb 15, 2012 7:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Anyone who thinks that doesn’t deserve my time of day to argue.
by Espn8TheOcho on Feb 15, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Shurna
That dude is lights out tonight. Anyone else watching the game?



















