2 Things on My Mind
by oser1122 on Feb 1, 2012 9:10 PM EST
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Stop reading this if you're looking for any Purdue insight. All I've got are two things I found on my mind throughout the day:
1. "We're back!" The IU t-shirt that is taking the hoosier nation by storm. If it were Purdue that found themselves in a similar situation, beating both a #1 and #2 team in the same season after a 3 year lull, you bet your ass I would claim the Boilers were back... but is IU back? This is clearly the Purdue fan in me coming out, but seriously. A fan base that drools over their 5 banners, which they have the right to do, but then claiming "They're Back!" with currently a sub .500 record in their conference?
2. We've been over this before, but the Izzone contains at least one asshole. This one asshole decided it would be fun to wish yet another ACL tear upon the leader of our team. Well guess what? The College Basketball Gods have spoken! Now your team leader is on a hobbled knee. Karma is alive and well.
***NOTE: I wish absolutely no injury upon anyone and hope Dey-Dey has a speedy recovery. It will make it that much sweeter when we beat them later this month***
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The Izzone may have 1 asshole but Assembly Hall contains 17,000 assholes
No, they are not “Back” and I was thinking while savoring their Michigan loss just how premature those stupid t-shirts are.
It will be quickly replaced by
“wait until next year” t-shirt
Draymond Green is a class act
Always wish him the best.
The only thing they are back to
Is losing conference road games like it is going out of style.
how many conference road games did Purdue win in 2007
when they were “back” from their previous 2 years under the last of Keady and first of Painter?
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I don't recall...
Did Purdue print up T-shirts and announce all over message boards “We’re back!!”? Didn’t think so. IU fans are hilarious!! What a pathetic bunch!
We’re back… about to be 5-7 in the B1G! Woot woot!
Ploy
I think it was a ploy to get the people out of the trailers to watch IU again. It worked.
25 counties in the state of Indiana have a trailer population above 1.3%
17 of them are Indianapolis and north. Of the 8 in the south, 3 border Louisville, 1 is in Southwest Indiana and 4 are within 2 counties of Indy.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
What in the......
Where do you even go to find a stat like that? I mean, cool info, bravo. But how does one find that information, let alone know it off hand?
2009 US census
a guy in Evansville that is sick of being harassed about being a trailer park dweller (not an IU fan, just a dude) showed me the statistics for Southwest Indiana. I extrapolated it to the entire state.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
extrapolate is the wrong word
that implies assumption. Expand would have been better.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
the bookmark I have is busted
but Marion county is one of the 25. I also think Anderson and Kokomo whatever counties those are, are the only other ones directly adjacent to Indy. The Michigan border had the largest concentration with something like 5 counties of the 25.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
We won SIX road games ya hack
including Whisky
by Boilerhoosier91 on Feb 2, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
2006-2007?
you won two. At Penn State and at Northwestern.
IU currently has 4 road victories this season, in their likely first year back in the tournament from a total rebuild. They have 3 to play. @Purdue, Iowa and Minnesota.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Uh, AJ? That wasn't our "back" year.
That was our “we no longer suck” year. The Baby Boilers were our “back” year. IU is in their “we no longer suck” year, but they’re all screaming that it’s the “back” year from the rooftops.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Feb 2, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think our definitions of back are different
my definition of back is just being in the tourney. I think a lot of people’s definition (including a ton of IU fans) is national powerhouse. If that is back, then there are only 10 or so teams that qualify for that yearly and everyone has a ton of “back” years.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Yeah. I think it's pretty silly for any team to make that claim.
“We’re back” has a lot of gray area that people can argue over for centuries to come. I just think the claim, no matter what definition you choose, was very premature. Finish the season, go to the tourney, then print and sell by the millions. IU still needs to finish the season, as does Purdue. Both of these teams can make it to the tourney, but I won’t say that either of them SHOULD go to the tourney yet. Purdue still needs to earn its tourney bid by having a strong February, while IU needs to keep its tourney bid with merely an average finish. It will be very interesting though to see what happens if you guys end below .500 and others like PU and Minn. finish above .500. But that’s all in the future, main point is that we both still have a lot of work to do to secure our bids, the type of work is just different.
Making the tourney?
That is your definition of back? That is setting the bar pretty darn low for a school that always talks about the 5 banners. See that dumb video titled “This is IU” or something similar. I think “back” means being consistently in the top 25, and contending for conference titles! That is why we rushed the court vs. Wisconsin in Feb. of ’08, it was our announcement.
if we extend your definition of back to mine
then we’re talking 15-20 teams can say that yearly. That is still way too many teams that go away and come back every other year in my mind. But that’s the problem with the phrase in general, it is semantics.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Hah
At least we won on the road at different places…in the SAME YEAR.
that should happen by the end of Saturday
/see what I did there?
but seriously, we’ve won at Evansville, NC State, Notre Dame (kinda) and Penn State. With games to be played at Minnesota and Iowa after this weekend.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Weak!
Notre Dame was not a road win. It can barely be considered neutral court…
Plus, the discussion was conference road wins.
And am I to assume that IU fans are trying to quickly withdraw all of the “We’re back” posts and screams now that they have been sucking it up the past 4 weeks?
We won two
But no one was proclaiming Purdue as some national power like most IU fans have this season. I know you are one of the few reasonable IU fans, but this is one of the times that cocky/arrogant fans are the majority.
Also
The current IU team has far more talent and experience on it than the 2006-2007 Purdue team. You are forgetting that IU was supposed to finish above Purdue in the Big Ten this year according to many analysts. So far, that is just not the case. Yes it can be said IU has played a tougher conference schedule so far, but winning the tough games doesn’t matter if you lose the “gimme” games like Nebraska too.
the average B1G projections had Indiana finishing 7th
behind Michigan, MSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois and Purdue. Indiana by some was projected as high as 5 and as low as 10. I had them at 6 ahead of Purdue.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I don't think IU fans are proclaiming that either
even a lot of the free board chatter (the lowest of low common denominators) has been discussing how IU is still a slashing PG from being super competitive and a top 10 ranking was nice but very optimistic. Which I would agree. The cocky arrogant fans are just the vocal minority like all fan bases.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
or bandwagons
which why would you listen to them. They couldn’t name last year’s starting 5.
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Maybe...
But I always have to listen to them…they’re quite loud about it. lol
remember Butler fans the last two years?
its the same people.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
iu's back over 10 wins, gotta hand em that
But seriously, I hope whoever made that comment to Robbie Hummel takes some time to re-evaluate after what he probably felt when he saw Draymond Green’s injury. If he hasn’t already. These setbacks have a way of making us realize what’s important even if they’re not as bad as they could be.
by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions
I'm sure the Paint Crew doesn't have a single person who would make a comment like that.
For what it’s worth, the Izzone tried to kick him out for the comment. Not sure if they did or not. Every fan base has their assholes and Purdue is no different. Seriously, this wouldn’t even be an issue if the Izzone was located where the Paint Crew is and not right behind the visiting bench.
IU is back to being competitive.
Back to (almost certainly) making the tournament. Back to beating ranked teams (something Purdue can’t say). Back to BEING ranked. We’re just not back to winning on the road in the B1G yet. That shit is difficult. We have 3 more chances for road Ws, though. Iowa, Minn, and Purdue. Which, outside of Nebraska and Penn State, are the easiest road games on our slate. I feel like by the end of the regular season the ’we’re back’ shirts won’t look quite as premature as they do now.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 2, 2012 9:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If IU is still ranked after losing Sat...
That will mean they are ranked after losing 6 of 8 and being 2 games under .500. Rankings will be proven to mean absolutely nothing! The only 2 wins will be over Iowa and Penn State… at home! Really impressive! If that is “Back”… welcome! IU has arrived! Way to go Crean!
If there are 25 teams in the country with a better resume than IU
then we don’t deserve to be ranked. Should we lose tomorrow then I’m pretty sure I could find a few teams that beat us out. Hell, even if we win there’s probably a few times not currently ranked that deserve to take our spot. What you should try to understand is most AP voters and coaches are pretty good about not falling into the ‘what have you done lately’ trap. Even if IU loses 6 of 8 that doesn’t mean that they didn’t play any games before that.
In short, the logic you use to decide whether or not rankings are meaningful or not is faulty. While they aren’t perfect they are a fairly good barometer for how good of a season a team is having and where the selection committee is likely to place them come selection Sunday.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 3, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
*teams
I need to proofread before I post, damn it.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 3, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
So IU fans are now saying ‘wait until the end of the season’ instead of ‘wait until next year’. I guess that is some kind of an improvement. How about just saying ’We’ll Be Back’, that should cover it and the t-shirts should last for several more years.
not to mention the obvious chance to use Schwarzenegger's face
IU student are really into oversize celebrity faces already.
If Indiana finished under .500 in the Big Ten they don't deserve an NCAA bid
Yes, that is with the wins over Kentucky and OSU. No team in any conference deserves an NCAA bid if they finish below .500. Period.
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as long as everyone else in front of them gets in?
yeah, they do. Purdue wouldn’t because there are no resume wins. IU would because they’ve beaten three ranked teams at least. 2 ranked in the top 2.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I'm not saying they wouldn't
I’m saying they shouldn’t because it has been a long-published pet peeve of mine that teams from major conferences get in with losing conference records. To me, no team, Purdue included, ever deserves to get into the NCAA Tournament as an at large if they finished below .500 in their conference, and I think there should be a rule establishing it. It might affect two teams max per year.
Don’t want to bitch? Go win your conference tourney and the auto bid. And yes, I know Purdue got in with a losing conference record in 1999 and even made the Sweet 16. I still don’t think we deserved it.
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In a year where the B1G is heads and tails above the other conferences
I think it is incredibly justifiable to let an 8-10 team in assuming everyone else ahead of them is in as well. Now should that apply for the ACC this year? The fifth best conference in the nation? No. Not at all. But the B1G is killing it in the conference rankings.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Agree
I agree with AJ here. TMill I’ve never liked your losing conference record theory. It’s too black and white. I think each case needs to be examined indivdually, and most can be thrown out right away. But there are definitely teams that should make it with a losing record if they’ve won enough in the non-conf.
Especially in a year in which the PAC12, CAA, and MAC are all way down. The ACC isn’t very good and the BIG is hands down the best concference.
I still don't care
it shouldn’t matter because if it is a rule then the back door of a conference tournament is still possible.
And with all the speculating over bubbles each year and who should get in and who should not, what’s wrong with some black and white? It’s a very simple rule to input, wouldn’t even be a factor in some years, and would affect 2 teams at most in the years where it is a factor.
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That's Fine
That “rule” will never happen.
In the end the bubble is not very large. Right now there is tons of speculating because there are lots of teams that can make it, and lots that can miss. On Selection Sunday there are maybe 2 or 3 teams fighting for the last spot. I don’t think we really need a rule that punishes a team for being in a better conference.
What’s more difficult this year, going 8-10 in the BIG (there are 7 top 50 RPI teams) or going 15-3 in the PAC12 (there is 1 top 50 RPI)? Please answer that question objectively.
New Rule
How about teams must win 5 games against the RPI 50 to get in. That will keep teams from bad conferences making it!
by Boiler17 on Feb 3, 2012 6:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But then you have Murray State teams.
Do they even play 5 games against RPI 50? What if they lose the championship game of their tourney. They’d be something like 35-1 and out of the NCAA tourney. I know you were just joking, but that’s the kind of thing that would happen with that.
Mixed feelings on this subject
On the one hand, I believe like AJ says, the B1G is hands down the best conference in the country, and so it’s teams should be given more credit, and by extension more forgiveness. On the other side of that coin is SEC football. We all bitch and moan about how much latitude they get due to their “superior conference”, but here in basketball we’re asking for identical treatment. I’m inclined to go with Tmill. Take the subjectivity out of it, black and white rule so everyone knows where they stand. It may be true that a B1G team with a losing record is better than an ACC team with a winning record, but it’s all just too subjective. With a concrete rule in place, no one has any room to bitch.
the difference is that basketball and football seasons are far from comparable
if football had a tournament then by all means let 8 of them in. But we’re talking about incredibly different sample sizes. Football gets 8 teams in major bowl games, basketball gets 65
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Regular Season
Plus the regular season in college basketball has a lot of great non-conference matchups that really shape a leagues reputation for that year.
SEC football draws criticism because most teams (LSU excluded) don’t go outside the south to play non-conference games. If you had a lot of great matchups and the SEC came out on top you couldn’t really argue. But when they play weak teams in the non-conference games and then beat up on eachother in league play, how do we know?
LSU and Alabama*
Though LSU has only been recently. Their “neutral” site game against Oregon was by far much closer to LSU than Oregon.
Alabama has always been good at scheduling teams. They played Penn State in a home and home, they have the Michigan game next season, and I think they hace a series with Ohio State in a few years too.
Ranked in January
Being ranked early in the season is a lot different then being ranked late. Every year you see teams that are ranked favorably fall apart when they get to conference play. IU has some good wins this year, better than Purdue does, but you guys are starting to come apart; which is very dangerous for a team that is use to losing.
don't think we're coming apart
coming apart would be getting blown out. IU has played the four best conference teams on the road in the last month and a half and they were in all of those games but OSU late. A grueling schedule has more to do with Indiana’s struggles than their abilities. They still don’t have all the tools to compete for the conference crown and when you play all the teams that do in succession, it gets ugly. Indiana’s remaining schedule is very favorable to winning roughly 6 of the last 8. If that happens no one remembers their January struggles.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I agree
But after this you have to admit you don’t deserve to be ranked anymore. Even if you beat the NW’s, Minn and Nebraska’s of the world (which isn’t guaranteed).
I was just saying that IU’s current roster is more experienced with losing than winning, and once a team like that starts losing morale can suffer. Even if the losses are to “better” teams it brusies the ego. Look at our team this year. Lots of our guys have expereince with winning a lot of games, and even they’ve looked down at points this year.
I've been pretty adamant that 20-25 is about right for IU
they won’t be ranked next week, but they’ll be back in the top 25 by March. Probably 20 or so.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Schedule
IU’s schedule is pretty easy from here on out after Saturday besides maybe the MSU game and Minnesota. I cannot see how they could be under .500.
I'd be a little wary of Iowa if they decide to play even a modicum of defense
Shooting 62% erases a lot of problems, Iowa just had too many on Sunday.
Illinois is also schizophrenic enough to win in Bloomington if Paul goes apeshit again. Purdue could win in bloomington too, but I don’t expect it.
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how much of shooting 62% had to do with their 20 point defecit
and 14 point run to end the game? IU was even more lackadaisical on defense than normal because of their large lead through much of the second half.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Maybe they should just amend the T-shirts (assuming there's room)
“We’re Back! Well maybe not all the way back but we definitely will be by the end of the season. And if not by then, for sure next year! Yeah, we should be back by then. Right?
by Hummel's figurines on Feb 2, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions
what do you expect...
Same crowd buying these shirts that buy the ND “tradition” shirts every year.
65 comments on here while I write this
I don’t have time (yet) to read them all, but I find it funny that 20 of them (so almost a third) are from an IU fan.
dudes
I was OFF WORK!! What else was I supposed to do besides play Skyrim all day?!
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
What I find funny is
…when ppl can’t criticize the content, they criticize the volume, as if having a good volume of solid content is a bad thing. It’s like, an honest guy working hard to make lots of money, and when the folks can’t find anything dirty about “how” he made his money, they still criticize, “But, but you work sooooooooo hard and that’s not even fair!”
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