A Justified Overreaction
by HawkeyeBoiler on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 PM EST
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PrintI'll let T-Mill handle the actual recap but I have some major gripes I want to air.
Zone Offense: I'm not sure what our coaching staff is doing, but the lack of an actual zone offense is maddening. Running around the perimeter is not an offense. Chucking threes and praying they go in is not an offense. Actually having some set pieces would open up our offense and make those lulls disappear.
Matt Painter: I'm not going to say "Fire Matt Painter" but I am going to say "WTF dude." How can you let your team show up that flat? The team was energized for about five minutes. Five whole minutes. The game is 40 minutes long. Not exactly a good ratio. I expect some unpredictability but losing by 20 to a crappy PSU team is not an option ever. Worst loss of Painter's Purdue career, hands down. At least that Wofford team made the NCAA Tournament a couple years later.
The Seniors: Robbie showed up, sort of. Lewis and Ryne? Whole different story. I have never been more disgusted watching the leaders of the team play. Ryne looked it was his sophomore year again and Lewis clearly needs a break. He just looks beat up. I would say rest him for a couple games, but that would certainly guarantee us no shot at the Dance.
It's a pretty damning loss. Can't say it anyway else. According to Ben Jones on Twitter, Painter is letting it all fly in his press conference. That's good to hear. Sunday is a must-win. Lose that one and say hello to the NIT. Maybe we'll get a home game.
If you can't tell, those are the remnants of about seven Sharpies and pens. Plastic strewn everywhere. The life of a Purdue fan.
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Yeah, the zone offense – at least the parts I saw – was horrible. Five guys hanging outside the arc isn’t going to get anything done, especially when shots aren’t going in.
Worst thing is....
that’s not new. Our zone offense has been horrid for years now. Never gets any better. Why anyone plays anything but a zone against us baffles me.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 5, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
That is NOT a justified overreaction.
In an 18 game season, the 3rd is an NIT-or-bust game? Remember, we just pasted a good Illinois team. It’s one game. A horrible performance for sure…but one game. We had no clue at all how to attack the zone.
by Jackson Brunner on Jan 5, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions
its not like the zone is PSU exclusive
the first four was one of hte easier stretch of our schedules. less than 3-1 is unacceptable.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
You could have made the same "zone not exclusive" argument after the High Point game
…and yet, even including this terrible loss, we are still 11-4 after that game. The sky is not falling…yet. (It falls if Robbie or LewJack gets season-ending injury)
Thank you for some sanity!
And x2 on the zone. What perplex me is how clueless we are when we are facing the zone, given we have two great shooters in Robbie and Ryne. I am no bball genius, but why can’t we dribble in the middle of the zone, and when the defense collapse, kick out to the open shooters at the three and make them pay. Isn’t it how you attack the zone?
I'd like to hear CMP's presser comments
He’s usually very level headed in post game interviews and knows where the blame rightly resides when we don’t execute.
To your call once more we rally....
I tweeted that Jones character for more info, but im sure the beat guys will have something
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Jan 5, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Funny
After Illinois ppl are singing 6-0 start in the conference and contending for B1G champ. Now just one game later ppl are saying “Fire Painter” and NIT.
A win is not as great as it seems, and a loss is not as bad as it seems either. Take a step back, deep breathe, and move on.
Because both sides swung too far
Losing by 20 points to PSU is just awful no matter how you slice it. You can’t just explain it away as a bad game. Think if High Point and WCU are differnt. This team is completely different.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Dude...
Penn State came to play. They expected to win. Nothing is guaranteed. That being said, Is Purdue/Painter a one trick pony? I don’t think so, but this team has polian syndrome… you know what i’m talking about
To your call once more we rally...
Dude, shit happens
One day we slaughtered the #1-ranked O$U at home. Another day we got killed by VCU. That’s the life of basketball.
One night, the mighty Miami Heat blew out the atrocious Bobcats by 30. Another night, it barely escaped the same atrocious Charlotte Bobcats by one thanks to a last-second Wade basket.
This game is awful, there is no denial. We have no energy, no hustle, and no answer to the zone. But jump to the conclusion that the sky is falling and the world is ending?!?
Chill. Tomorrow is another day. It isn’t like we are in an elimination tournament. I can guarantee you that we are not as bad as you are saying (nor are we as good as what TMill is saying after the Illinois game).
This team
just like the High Point and WCU game we came out expecting to win easily. And then the other team actually puts forth an effort and we are shocked and don’t know what to do.
Insanely frustrating.
x2
The first possession is a TO. We were never in the game until the beginning of the 2nd half to pull within 4. Except for that run, I see no hustle, no fire, no passion at all. I agree it feels like they thought they can just get a W by showing up and get a rude awakening.
Agree with the WTF, man
Definitely not a fire coach time, but painter is better than this.
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On a positive note
TJ made TWO free throws in a row. That happened right, and wasn’t just a broadcast glitch?
And TC is 100% FG and 4 rebs
We should celebrate!
What should have Painter done differently?
Purdue does not have the talent to break a zone. Hummel, Smith, Byrd, and Hart are spot up shooters. Carrol and Lawson can set screens which doesn’t do a lot in a zone. Both Johnsons are too short to attack the taller, athletic Penn State players. That leaves Barlow and Jackson who can drive but Penn State was playing 8 feet off them taking that away.
We shot crappy, but those nights are going to happen. With our talent level, there are two ways we can score…. (1) a good shooting night and (2) points off our defensive performance. Penn State outrebounded us by 10 (35-25)! Penn State had 10 turnovers to our 12. Can’t remember the last time we had more turnovers then our opponent. When you play Byrd, Hummel and Smith at the same time on the floor at the same time, we need a lot of help on the screens which leaves someone open. In tonights case, it was Oliver wide open from 3.
If you are going to jump on Painter for something, do so for his recruiting classes from 2008 to 2011; not for his coaching. We are essentially running with Hummel and 11 role players. We will have ups and downs for the next 2 years until some talent gets in here and develops.
Agree and disagree
Agreed on the zone. Also agreed that we need to either have a hot shooting night or points off defensive effort to generate points. I think the lack of the latter is the most damning, not the zone part. If we play with the kind of Purdue defensive intensity that we are accustomed to, the zone issue is less relevant.
When you play Byrd, Hummel and Smith at the same time on the floor at the same time, we need a lot of help on the screens which leaves someone open. In tonights case, it was Oliver wide open from 3.
I disagree on this part though. I think Oliver is wide open b/c so many times Robbie is switched off to guard Frazier, leaving his man Oliver wide open. It has more to do with LewJack’s inability to stay with Frazier (b/c LJ’s only 40% healthy?) and needed help than the defensive liability in Robbie / Byrd / Smith. If anything, Byrd is the only player who plays hard. Read Painter’s post-game interview.
I'll say it again.
Ryne Smith is not that good. He can’t create anything, plays mediocre defense at random times, and a game like tonight should’ve been his dream. I mean they were playing zone. He’s got to do something if he’s going to walk around like a badass on the court, and everyone thinks he’s this amazing stud of a 3-point shooter.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Jan 6, 2012 9:04 AM EST reply actions
Agree that Smith played horribly last night
But I am curious why you single him out? It isn’t like TJ or LewJack were playing any better and there’s no mention of them.
TJ Stunk
So did AJ. So did Hart. So did Lawson.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 7, 2012 9:06 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Everyone in the B1G knows about Smith
PSU was blanketing him all night. He can’t create his own shot….we all know that. He is what he is.
NO ONE on the team does more with less on rebounding and defense than Ryne. He’s a slow footed, 6-3 white guy……who busts his ass. If he gets beat it’s not for lack of effort, it’s lack of athleticism.
Exactly, and let me add two things:
1. Against PSU, Ryne got 4 rebs, the same as Lawson and Barlow combined, who are arguably the two most athletic guys on the team.
2. Creating your own shot is never the emphasis in the motion offense. Motion offense is always about moving, setting screens, getting teammates for open shots. Painter’s system favors “creating open shots” for teammates rather than 1-on-1 creating shots for yourself.
No Motion Offense
Thursday’s game had uncharacteristic poor shot selection which only compounded matters.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 8, 2012 1:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
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