Non-Conference Opponents Update: January 23
The calendar is about to turn from January to February, and that means it is winning time for Matt Painter's teams. Tomorrow night's home game with Michigan is a big one, especially after getting blown out at Michigan State. For the first time this year I am turning my eyes from the Big Ten title to simply securing an NCAA berth. Yes, we're still very much alive in the conference title race, but we haven't shown enough consistency to give me a lot of confidence. If we follow the path of Painter's previous teams we will get the job done in February as it all comes together.
As we have seen over 20 games, this is a team that can beat anyone when they are playing well, but they can also lose to anyone when they play poorly. That is going to have us oscillating wildly all season long. People need to be prepared for this and not attack each other in the comments, as I had to do more policing yesterday than I have in 3 years of running the site.
In terms of that NCAA berth we're still doing well, and the next three games (two at home, one at Northwestern) can go a long way toward securing it. We have three good opponents, but they are games we can win to boost our profile. The loss to Michigan State, who is No. 4 in the RPI, is far from a bad one, and we can still return the favor with a good night's rest and the friendlier rims of Mackey Arena.
I still think the formula of a 10-8 record in the Big Ten is enough to feel completely safe. I am not talking about being on the Bubble, either. I am talking about being 100% safely in the field without a doubt come selection Sunday. If we finish 10-8 and add a win or two in Indianapolis it will be highly unlikely we'll be left out.
Some quickie notes about our top 50 wins: Minnesota slipped just barely out of the top 50 this week to No. 51. I can't figure it out, either, since they beat No. 34 Northwestern yesterday, but I don't think CBSSports has figured that win in yet. They should move back into the top 50, but maybe at our expense since we're No. 49.
Record: 14-6, 4-3 Big Ten (No. 1 RPI conference)
RPI: 49 (according to CBS Sports)
Top 25 RPI wins: Illinois (18), Temple (22) (neutral)
Top 50 RPI wins: Iona (45) (neutral)
Record vs. Top 50: 3-4
Bad Losses (sub 100 teams): Butler (107) (neutral), at Penn State (124)
Northern Illinois Huskies - 2-15, 1-4 MAC West, RPI: 338 - The Huskies creeped back closer to the bottom this week with two losses to Toledo (by 30) and Ball State. As stated before, we almost lose by even playing this game, as they continue to be one of the worst teams in the country. Somehow Towson, who is 0-20 and hasn't won a game since 2010, is ranked ahead of them. It's just another oddity of the RPI.
High Point Panthers - 7-13, 3-7 Big South, RPI: 296 - No one can say the signs of inconsistency weren't there early. We blew out one of the lowest rated teams by almost 60 points in game one, then survived by two over a team now creeping closer to 300. High Point lost to Radford, VMI, and Liberty all last week and now has virtually no chance in the Big South.
Iona Gaels - 15-4, 7-1 MAAC, RPI: 45 - As expected, the general malaise of the MAAC is dragging down Iona's overall RPIU. They keep winning, beating Rider by 20 this week before hosting Siena tonight, but they can't do much until BracketBusters later on to boost their profile. If they could get a road game at Murray State and pull that one off it would be great. Until then, this RPI is going to go down and may slip out of the top 50.
Temple Owls - 13-5, 2-2 Atlantic 10, RPI: 22 - Temple did exactly what we needed them to do in beating another ACC team, this time Maryland, to get another major conference win. They also got a nice conference win over a strong LaSalle team to move to 2-2 in the A-10. When people start assessing our profile this is going to be a very good bonus chip in our favor.
Alabama Crimson Tide - 13-6, 2-3 SEC, RPI: 34 - It was a rough week for the Tide, as they had two very good chances to prove they were legitimate contenders and blew them both. It started with a 10 point home loss to Vanderbilt and ended with a close road loss to Kentucky, dropping them to 2-3 in the SEC. The corresponding RPI hit dropped them out of the top 25 as well, since they have lost three in a row overall.
Western Michigan Broncos - 9-10, 3-2 MAC West, RPI: 139 - WMU had a split this week in their home state, losing an overtime decision to Eastern Michigan but beating Central Michigan. It looked early on like their RPI might be able to creep over the 100 line, but they took a big dip with the EMU loss. Currently they trail EMU and Ball State by a game in the MAC West Division, but both conference losses have come to those two schools.
Coppin St. Eagles - 9-10, 4-2 MEAC, RPI: 240 - Coppin State had a chance to assert itself in the MEAC race, but lost at home to league leader Norfolk State by 8. They recovered to beat North Carolina Central, but they are another team with a dropping RPI instead of a rising one. At 4-2 they are fourth in the MEAC, so they are a possible conference tournament threat.
Miami Hurricanes - 10-7, 1-3 ACC, RPI: 53 - I don't think this RPI is figuring in Sunday's game, which would have been a chance for the Canes to break into the top 50. They held off Clemson for a good 76-73 home win mid-week, but they couldn't beat North Carolina State at home yesterday. They go to Georgia Tech and Boston College this week for games they need to win if they want to go to the tournament. Tech and BC are two of the worst teams in the ACC. so it is imperative that Miami handles its business.
Xavier Musketeers - 13-6, 4-2 Atlantic 10, RPI: 43 - No change in Xavier's RPI this week as they beat St. Joeseph's and lost to Dayton. Both this loss and the Alabama one are double-edged right now. At the time, they looked like they would be to consistent top 25 teams. Instead, they are teams closer to us in that they are wildly inconsistent and in the 7-10 seed range in terms of the NCAAs. It would have been good to get them as wins, but since both teams are struggling it make us look worse in turn. We should have zipped this one up because at least it would be a road win.
Western Carolina Catamounts - 9-11, 3-4 Southern, RPI: 217 - The Catamounts made news last week with a gigantic victory over Toccoa Falls by an obscene 141-39 margin. Unfortuantely, they could have won by 7,000 and it wouldn't have mattered since it was a non-Division I team, therefore it doesn't officially count in terms of RPI or tournament selection. The game that does count was a 12 point loss to Appalachian State. That pushed them below the 200 line.
Eastern Michigan Eagles - 9-10, 4-1 MAC West, RPI: 198 - The Eagles got a pair of wins over Western Michigan and Toledo, but their RPI still dropped by two spots. As mentioned above, they lead the MAC West at the moment with Ball State, and they hold the tiebreaker with a win over the Cards in Muncie.
Butler Bulldogs - 12-9, 6-3 Horizon, RPI: 107 - Of all our small conference opponents Butler may have the best chance of stealing an auto-bid in their conference tournament. They won twice in Chicago at Loyola and UIC this past week to move within a game of first place in the Horizon League. Unfortunately, five teams are either 7-2 or 6-3 in this league. The No. 1 seed gets a double bonus of hosting the conference tournament as well as a bye to the semifinals, while the No. 2 seed also gets a bye and the right to host the conference title game if the No. 1 seed loses in the semis. Butler at least needs to get above the 100 line for us.
IPFW Mastodons - 9-10, 3-7 Summit, RPI: 249 - IPFW has now lost four in a row and is in 7th place in the Summit League, which is pretty lousy as a league this year. Oral Roberts is 10-0 at the top with South Dakota State in second at 8-1. Don't expect a lot out of IPFW the rest of the year.
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At some point this team needs to get a quality win
The Michigan game is an opportunity for that. The current resume is very flimsy, when the best win is at home against an average Illinois team.
Minnesota and Miami are right on that border
They on the bad side of 50 right now, but can easily get tot he good side. Minnesota needs to get there especially since it is a road win. Temple is looking like a better win every day.
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by BoilerTMill on Jan 23, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Agree on the Temple win
As you said, there will be plenty of opportunities to get that quality win with the upcoming games. The Michigan game is huge IMO.
We don’t want to be Michigan’s first road win…
Btw how do they get 5 of the first 7 B1G games at home?
it doesn't matter
its how you finish!
by boilerbacker31 on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Was the Temple game...
the one where LewJack played so well? or was that Iona? He’s had a lot of flashes this year of being a huge contributor, but other games he disappears. It probably has some to do with his injury and that’s frustrating. He needs to play big for us in this next stretch of tough games.
by InsideMackey on Jan 23, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
We are now #48 and Minny #47
Xavier slipped to #46, Miami slipped to #66, Iona up to #43, Bama up to #28 (wtf), Temple up to #17 (nice)
RPI is such junk. For the most part seems accurate but so many unexplainalbe things like some of the moves I just listed and how Seton Hall is #7 ahead of OSU and Mizzou.
Southern Miss #15 and Colorado STATE #21. Really??
and then Cincy is #90
after wins at #13 Georgetown and #16 UConn and they only have 5 losses. Makes no sense.
The RPI is pretty worthless
until you get well into Feb. By then the conference play starts to shake things out.
10-8 in B1G, 20-11 overall
Would be solidly in the dance. You guys already have 2 in conference road wins, which make up for the home loss. So basically need to win out at home, or get at least one more road win if you drop another at Mackey.
IMO, right now you would be 5th highest B1G team in, behind OSU, MSU, U-M & Illinois, ahead of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota & NW, and probably tied with Wisconsin. No way do 10 teams actually get in, but right now everybody but Nebraska & Penn State still in the discussion.
Unfortunately you don’t get the chance to return to the Badgers the favor they did you at home, but conversly, at least you don’t have to go to the Kohl Center this season. I say your best chance for a road win will be this weekend at NW, or late Feb at M.
sounds about right
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think we could steal a win at Illinois, NW, or Indiana
Indiana is starting to regress back on their shooting, but they are going to want blood in the game in Bloomington. Illinois presents an opportunity to get a nice road win and we’ve done very well against Weber’s teams of late.
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Illinois would be a huge road W
And definitely be a major increase in margin of error should your guys pull that one off. IDK enough about them to make any analysis, other than that Leonard is a beast inside and could present a major challenge. Not looking forward to my Spartans traveling there next Tuesday.
You guys will probably roll them
Weber cannot seem to keep a team under control. They’ve completely lost focus and energy since the OSU upset. There’s certainly talent there, but this is the third set of players that have underachieved under Weber.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Illinois has played some good games
at home. They’ve been pretty terrible outside of their building.
We did an excellent job on Leonard in West Lafayette
We kept Paul in check too. in fact, the first ten minutes of the second half were probably the best 10 minutes of basketball we have played all year.
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RE: Paul
Just looked him up on Statsheets, for some reason I was under the impression that the OSU game was his only big performance of the season, but from a stats standpoint, clearly that’s not the case. Hopefully Appling or Dawson can slow him down, though I’m still most concerned that Leonard will eat us up on offense.
With the way we are playing lately, I think we may be invited to NIT if we were lucky. Hummel 2 points, really? Who are we going to now? Wow!
As we endure this rollercoaster of a season....
my expectations for this team have not changed. 20 is the goal. 20 wins and we are in. I believe we can achieve 5 more wins in conf. and one in the B1N tourney. If we do make the dance, the first game is 50/50 and, if we win, we’re done after that. Any reasonable fan had to know this would be a “step back” year. Too many questions regarding talent and health meant we would not be as formidible as recent teams. Next year will be another minor step back and will probably be our low water mark. In 2013 we will begin the rise again and we will be as competitive as ever by 2014. Every team goes through periods like this. And if this is close to our floor, and we still make the tourney, that ain’t bad. Patience grasshoppers.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 23, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Thanks as always for the regular updates
I have to admit I’ve been iffy on following game threads because of the bad things that can happen & my having other stuff to deal with. Nothing serious, just stuff needing concentration. I think this team should sneak in. Next year’s will learn a lot whether they make it to the NCAAs or not. The NITs might be a good learning experience if we fall short.
The thing about disaster games like @MSU is that they are expected in general but not specifically. So I’m not too worried yet.
Forgot that this site needed no policing for 3 years. A credit to all of us, really, both old and new.
by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 23, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions
Alternate B1G standings, as of today
Teams get +1 for a conference road win, -1 for a conference home loss:
+2 Michigan State
+2 Ohio State
+1 Wisconsin
+1 Purdue
0 Michigan
0 Illinois
0 Indiana
0 Iowa
0 Minnesota
-1 Northwestern
-2 Penn State
-3 Nebraska
Purdue is in really good shape for an NCAA bid, and still a legitimate contender for the conference title I think. (I’d bet on OSU for that, though.) Couple of nice road wins—not easy to come by this year.
Cmon...
You can’t be serious about being a legitimate contender for the conference title. I would also argue that we are in good shape for a tourney bid. These next four games will play a big part in that, seeing how difficult of games they are.
As long as we are mathematically alive, we are a contender
We are only a game out and stranger things have happened.
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I don't know if I can say this enough, but...
…if the team falls flat shooting again, then we need to go inside. I think the team is too inconsistent to determine whether it will be in the Big Dance or not. winning tonight (and here on out) will help. This team is capable of beating any team in the league, but, as seen with the Penn State loss, can lose to any team as well.

















