Rest In Pieces JoePa
by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 5:51 PM EST
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For those about to be offended, I apologize. No amount of charitable giving or football games won could ever erase the fact that numerous young, EXTREMELY vulnerable children could have been spared the horror of being raped. Are we really celebrating a man's life that chose to protect his football program rather than save the moral sanctity of numerous adolescents? If you choose to believe good 'ol JoePa just wasn't fully aware of the situation then you are the one misguided. Anyone who has ever been part of a football program knows there's no such thing as matters behind closed doors, ESPECIALLY pertaining to a situation such as this. I really don't mean to attack but the way the media and others portray this man as a saint with a "hiccup" makes me sick to my stomach.
If you choose to believe that his triumphs in the game of football, or money given to construct a building or two overshadow his apathy in a dire situation, then that is your prerogative, but this does not sit well with me.
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Way to completely ignore the positive impact Joe Pa had on the thousands of lives of young adults he coached, the impact he had on even more in the community and all the money he gave to Penn State to give back.to the students.
Because a questionable moral decision of only reporting what amounted to hearsay to your advisors… That shouldn’t make every positive impact you’ve had absolute…
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 6:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
ps
Why post this here, anyway? It has nothing to do with Purdue yet you use a section on a Purdue site for posts about the school as a place to rant on an indvidual who wasnt associated with the school.
What next, should users post their anti-Saban or anti-Kiffin rants here now too?
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 6:43 PM EST via Android app reply actions
How about we take ONE DAY to let his family and Penn State Nation grieve...
…before we start with all this sanctimonious bullshit about why we shouldn’t.
I’m sure if your parents died in a car crash today, you wouldn’t want somebody coming up to you THE SAME DAY to let you know why they weren’t perfect.
Let people fucking grieve. Right or wrong. And save the discussion on the guy’s legacy for another day.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
victims families?
Who’s grieving for them today?
"That rug really tied the room together..."
by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 7:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Besides you? Probably the same people that have been since the stories broke....
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
certainly do appreciate the comments
Whether you agree with me or not.
1. It seemed relevant enough for T-Mill to post, why can’t I give my two cents?
2. It’s one thing to grieve, but another to put a man on a pedestal. If your child was raped and the incident could have been prevented, you would most certainly feel differently
"That rug really tied the room together..."
by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 6:58 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
1. Joe Pa never officially knew. He was told about it, that’s hearsay. He told his superiors. We can question his morals but he never had offical knowledge of said incident
2. Question his morals if you wish, but dont act like a blown decision makes the positive impact he’s had on countless others irrelevant
3. Stop following the media hype of hating Joe Pa more than Sandusky. At first glance if you didn’t know any better youd guess Paterno was touching little kids, not Sandusky…
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 7:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Since when does hearsay carry merit in a grand jury report? Tell me, if your subordinate came to you with similar allegations, would you tell your boss? Maybe it’s just me, but I’d call the damn POLICE.
It absolutely makes anything he had done in the past irrelevant. It’s child rape, not a speeding ticket.
"That rug really tied the room together..."
by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
The grand jury report was largely based on MacQueary's testimony, not JoePa's.
He reported it to the man that essentially ran the State College police department. Who then covered it up. JoePa is the least guilty among Schultz, Graham, MacQueary, and of course Sandusky, yet he’s been the most vilified in the media.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 22, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
And rightly so! Those that are constantly in the spotlight are going to shine the brightest during both bad and good times. A head coach is going to get most of the praise as well as the most of the blame. Either way, it does not deter from the fact that he’s very guilty, no matter what degree you believe.
I know I’m striking a nerve here guys but I hope there’s not any bad blood. I really do appreciate the debate
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by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
You just said Joe Pa deserves to be more vilified than Sandusky
Are you fucking serious?
You literally just ignored what he said.
Why are you getting worked up over the person who was least responsible for the incident? McQueary saw it, several others were told about it. Joe Pa told the head of the campus police about it. Should he have followed up? Yes, he should have. But unlike McQueary who you seem to completely ignore in your factless rant, he at least told someone who had the power to do something.
Why don’t you get pissed at McQueary for telling the football coach about a rape incident? Why not get pissed about the administration who covered it up? Or hell, why not the guy who actually raped the children?
Apparently a football coach who is told an accusation towards a man with no previous incidents is a bigger victim than the man that witnessed it, the men that covered it up and the man who was committing the act in the first place.
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Tell me, if your subordinate came to you with similar allegations, would you tell your boss? Maybe it’s just me, but I’d call the damn POLICE.
I’m pretty sure the procedure for that would go out like this:
1. I’m a manager at a business. One of my employees tell me they witnessed another employee in a compromising position (naked in the shower with a boy).
2. I have no actual evidence or proof of this and the person being accused has no record of any such actions. I can’t throw the hammer down because there’s a possibility of it still not being true.
3. I report the accusation (not knowing it happened, but just an accusation) to my superiors, including one that’s more or less the head of campus police. It’s there job to investigate into the accusations and determine the proper action
You’re spinning this into making it seem like Paterno saw it and covered it up. He had a single accusation against a man with no record or previous actions that would justify him doing that. There was no proof for Paterno, so he reported it to his higher-ups that should have investigated into the manner. They didn’t do a single thing about it.
I’m sorry but Paterno is a football coach. Accusations with no proof usually don’t hold merit, he reported the incident to his higher-ups with the expectations of them doing their job so he could do his job. They fucked up and then proceded to throw him under the bus for doing so.
In a post below you said Paterno should be more vilified than MacQueary…so the guy who only had an accusation is more of a villain than the man that witnessed it first hand??
Interestingly enough, hasn’t MacQueary’s account of what happened changed multiple times already?
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody's saying he couldn't have done more, but the monster is Sandusky...
..not an 80 year old man that made a series of poor (non)decisions. He was fired for that. He died with that as part of his legacy.
What more do you want? Gathering of the victim’s families to collectively piss on his grave?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
You’re absolutely right, Paterno did not rape anyone.
“Science may have found a cure for most evils; but it has found no remedy for the worst of them all – the apathy of human beings.”
—Helen Keller
"That rug really tied the room together..."
by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
You can take your asshole opinions and shove it.
Sorry man, but what you’re doing is extremely disrespectful to a great man.
by Jackson Brunner on Jan 22, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions
Sure, a figure head did the absolute minimum during a child sex scandal, I voice my opinion on the matter and I’M the asshole. Glad this could stay clean…
"That rug really tied the room together..."
by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
There was no scandal when Paterno was original involved. There was a lone accusation. He reported it to his superiors, including a man that basically headed campus police, to actually do their job and investigate the manner. He’s a football coach, not a police chief…
I voice my opinion on the matter and I’M the asshole. Glad this could stay clean…
I think you proved yourself to be the asshole in this situation when you titled this rest in pieces. It showed you’re either going for shock value or you’re immature. If you have a serious opinion against someone, that’s fine. If you decide to start off promoting your opinion by attempting to insult that person right when they die (and by a horrible pun as well), then there’s little reason to show you respect.
Your thread title is what should be expected on the likes of ESPN or any extremely popular message board / comment system where posters can run wild spewing things they’d never say if they had to take credit for it
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Celebrating a man's life, or celebrating a man's death
Instead of choosing neither, you chose the latter. Making you the piece of shit here. This is a Purdue Sports blog, not your own blog. No one comes to Hammer and Rails to see a title “Rest in Pieces ANYONE”
by bukowski_boiler on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Again, this is not ANYONE, this is a man (who among others) let child rape happen for the better half of a decade. I get it, this is a Purdue Sports blog but would you rather talk about our blow out at MSU or failure to get another star recruit? I’m going to take ONE night off and express my opinion on a national matter, it’s not like it hasn’t been done before.
"That rug really tied the room together..."
by SouthSideBoilermaker on Jan 22, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions
Once again, accusation, look it up.
If I come and tell you something and I have no proof and you have no proof or reason to believe me based on what you know about involved parties, it doesn’t instantly make it a fact. You go ahead and report it to the people who will investigate the manner and determine if it actually happened or not.
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Without having any proof he’s not allowing child rape. He had no evidence and no actual proof or knowledge of it happening. None.
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by Bryan Steedman on Jan 22, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
YOU are celebrating a man's death
Can we take one night off of talking about Purdue’s athletics to discuss your ignorance here?? Saying he let it happen, is like saying the security at the airports let 9/11 happen. Sure security isn’t suppose to let terrorists through onto the plane, but they didn’t know. Joe Paterno didn’t rape nor kill anyone, and now he is dead. So pop some champagne and live this night away from Purdue athletics up! Because YOU SIR have enjoyed it
by bukowski_boiler on Jan 22, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Alright guys, lets tone it down
I don’t want this getting any more ugly because I’ve had to do a lot of policing lately that, quite frankly, I don’t normally have to do because you all do a good job of keeping it civil. This doesn’t need to devolve into a public site. It’s still a pending investigation, so let’s move on.
Therefore, I am closing comments on this post.
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