What can we learn from today's loss?
by charlespig on Jan 22, 2012 12:07 AM EST
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Hope we have some time to cool down from the East Lansing disaster. Based on the comments on our thread, here are some of my observations. (Might get me crucified here but I always speak my mind) My goal is not to whine and complain, but ask ourselves, outside the game itself (which we'll have LOTS to talk about), how can we respond better? One motto I live by is that you can lose a game, but never lose the lesson. So what can we learn from today?
1. Izzo scored a lot of image points today. There are so many praises from even our fans! Meanwhile, I don't think Painter's bickering with Dawson helps a bit. Dawson may be a punk, but the way Matty reacted to him seemed more from frustration. Matty P is an adult, why get into these petty verbal fights with a punk kid? If a recruit is looking at it, fair or not, he may be thinking, "Damn, this coach shows his real color the moment a player commits elsewhere. I better stay away from him."
2. The Izzone may be classless in their Hummel chant, but I don't see how it helps to demand an apology. What does it really do to us if we can get insincere apology? I always believe that apology can never be demanded. It has to come from the heart. Truthfully, will we make a big deal out of that had we beaten MSU?
3. Meanwhile, Dawson may be a punk, but why give him a damn? Why do we care whether Izzo punishes him (or why he doesn't/hasn't)? If Dawson continues to be a jerk, I am sure he will get his own downfall from poor relationship. Let him be the jerk he wants to be. And just like #2 above, will we make such a big deal had we beaten MSU? After some point, all these complaints about Izzone and Dawson becomes whiny and just sounds like sore loser. Do you think we'll attract recruits by being so whiny to those who didn't come? (Again, I am not saying we should just accept Dawson's behavior, but had we won, I think most of us would just shrug our shoulders and just said, "What an idiot. We don't need him at Purdue" and won't make such a big deal out of it)
4. Now it is undeniable that Dawson is a very gifted player with great athleticism. My question is, for those who always want 5* players at all cost, will you cheer for him if he is on your team? Will you just brush it off as "He's just a kid" or "He should have kept his mouth shut but that's not really a big deal"? Would you still want to pursue guys with questionable characters, or do you think 5* trumps everything and that it's a minor thing to deal with?
5. Meanwhile, Matty P getting involved with Izzone folks just seem poor EQ for a head coach. I know, I know, it is so distasteful to wish ACL injuries on anyone (although some of us did say that too in reaction), and Matty is just "standing up for his players." But come on, you are going to the fans level now - what, are you Ron Artest and can be so easily provoked? Even Artest is Metta World Peace now. As a head coach, you are supposed to maintain calm and poised and set the example for your player. We can't have double standard that says "If coach gets out of control it means he is passionate, but if a player gets out of control he needs to be benched." By getting engaged with the fans, you are playing right into their hands. They want to distract you and get in your head so that you are not focusing on the game! Essentially all the bad taste folks will now know they can get into Painter's head when he comes visit. How is that an example for the players?
6. And speaking of players, pls at least fight for your coach. I remember in the women's game against the defending champ Texas A&M, Coach V got T'ed and the team responded like crazy and playing insane defense and turned around the game right there. We see no fire at all from our own players. They sat like a defeated dog ready to roll over and get out. If it's this bad with 3 seniors playing heavy minutes, I can't imagine what leadership will look with only Byrd and Barlow as seniors next year. I mean, we are talking about leading by GDB!
Look, I love Matty P and I've learned so much from him that I have always been very proud to have him as our coach even after defeats like Xavier and PSU. I like how he said that in adversity we show our true character, but unfortunately, I'm disappointed with Coach today because it all seems frustration on his part and nothing he did makes Purdue a more attractive place for recruits, and I thought he was better than that. What else can we learn from today's disaster?
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you should have watched painter's actual press conference.
The reactions from our fans don’t represent Matt Painter. I would rather have a coach who stands up for someone like Rob then someone who doesn’t. Move on. Just start focusing on Michigan.
by JFranchise on Jan 22, 2012 12:49 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
You should have read what Hummel said in the press conference
“I don’t care what they say,” Hummel said. "It’s part of the game. This is one of the toughest places to play in America. Obviously, when someone hasn’t made a shot all game, they probably are going to pick on you a little bit.
“But I could give a crap about what the Izzone says. They have to come back to West Lafayette. We will see them again.”
You don’t let them get into your head. If you get angry at it, great, show it on the court with more hustle energy. Show it by playing harder. Show it by giving them some f*ck-you dunks.
Apology?
Yes let’s do what Purdue has done in the past——we’ll apologize to MSU for noticing the actions of their fans and player. Years(decades) of getting bad calls from officials while the Michigan, Ohio State and Penis State homer calls keep right on coming. Purdue has letters and letters from officials saying we blew that call but it doesn’t change any of the scores. BTN is treating Purdue like a non-conference school. And you want us all “to just get along”. They already think we are the nice guys you can kick in the teeth. See: Lewjack at Wisc. blindsided twice in different years, Kramer’s Mich. elbow to the face and the Blood running down Hummel’s face at NW. You have to raise some hell sometime!!
We are a soft school with soft players.
Kramer and LewJack are the only 2 that come to mind that never took shit from opposing players and wanted to get in people’s heads. Its fucking sports, the object is to have fun, If Dawson wants to dunk and talk a little trash, more power to him. He’s having fun and winning. Purdue needs swag, we don’t need to be the new Tennessee (bunch of thugs) but bring something to the table. Like the guy above me said, we are the nice guys of the B1G. We are just happy to be playing the game it seems. Painter needs to raise hell and not take shit. The players need to get their heads out of their asses and play ball. This style of basketball is going to turn recruits off, not Painter.
(Done venting for the night, suffering from sleep deprivation…ironic eh?)
And I'm sorry if this is negative..
but outside of the B1G, Purdue is irrelevant to the nation. No one gives a damn about Purdue and couldn’t care less what’s going on. Most of the country, unfortunately, doesn’t follow colleges based on academics, its mostly about sports and who’s winning. I’m very very very fortunate to be receiving a Purdue education and I love it and will always cherish it. But we have no balance whatsoever when it comes to academics and sports. Why can Michigan be great in academics and sports? Ohio State is pretty balanced. Michigan State. Florida….see a pattern. These schools are mainstream colleges that has fans all across the country. We need to get Purdue out there and have something to talk about.
think that would start with combining
the two. Currently the Athletic Department is completely separate from the academic section of Purdue. Pretty sure that is very rare at most colleges.
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 22, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
I absolutely agree that we are soft and we "not take shit"
Painter needs to raise hell and not take shit.
In a basketball game, the most powerful way you “not take shit” is done on the court. The way you do a “f*ck you SOB” is through the court, kinda like what Dawson did (minus the exchange with opposing coach part), with multiple f*ck-you dunks. Action speaks louder than words.
Not to use this as any sort of excuse
but when you are running on lack of sleep, things tend to piss you off that normally would go unnoticed. That plus the fact that MSU was beating our ass mighta led to Matty’s involvement with the Izzone and Dawson.
Personally, I think that Painter needs to take the entire team to see Red Tails and watch that. Bama did it before the national title game and they kicked ass (irrelevant but hey). The whole motto is WE FIGHT! I think Purdue players need that mentality across the board. Not as thugs or gangstas but more of a if we have a lead, throw the boots on them till the game is out of reach. Magic number of 20 in the 2nd half? If we are getting our ass kicked like today, someone has to stand up. Dont wait until the next game at home, get in somebodys jock and lock them down. Dont be dirty, but let them know you are there and arent backing an inch.
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 22, 2012 2:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that's my whole point
The whole motto is WE FIGHT! I think Purdue players need that mentality across the board. Not as thugs or gangstas
If we are getting our ass kicked like today, someone has to stand up. Dont wait until the next game at home, get in somebodys jock and lock them down. Dont be dirty, but let them know you are there and arent backing an inch.
Exactly, that’s how WE FIGHT. Not as thugs. Not by doing it verbally like a whiny bitch. Show it on the court with some f*ck-you dunks, or at the minimum, body-to-body defense to let ppl know we are not backing down.
He may be thinking, "Damn, this coach shows his real color the moment a player commits elsewhere. I better stay away from him."
No, they see a coach that will stick up for them. Stay away from his recruitment in case they choose elsewhere and fear his rath? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Pretty similar to the Calloway incident vs IU in 07. “I just think there’s a right way to go about it. Play the game with class.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCDo4VNK-_Q
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
"A coach that will stick up for them"
To me, when Da’Sean Butler went down in FF with an ACL and Bob Huggins came out to the floor and console him, that’s what a coach does to support his players. Ppl see that and say, “That’s a coach I want to play for.”
But if you are gonna show you “stick up for them” by getting into altercation with a 19-year-old player or a 20-year-old fan, that just seems immature as a HC. Frankly, every game there are stupid fans saying stupid stuff, and you can’t argue with every one of them every time. As Hummel himself said, “It’s part of the game…But I could give a crap about what the Izzone says.”
Interesting you bring up the Calloway incident in ’07. Apparently Matty is still Matty. If anything, the timing of it seems to coincidental with the beginning of a multi-year period where we were not getting top recruits. Coincidence?
Well, we'll just agree to disagree on what a "player's coach" is defined as...
“We didn’t have an exchange,” Painter said. “He said something to me. I think one thing you have to do is only coach one team. My players are not going to talk to opposing coaches, so that’s how we do it. I’m not letting a 19-year-old kid talk to me and rub it in, stick it to us. But to each his own.”
So you don’t agree with that? And you don’t think players respect that?
Is Izzo’s threatening to take the ticket away from the ACL yeller immature as well?
“I’ll try to address it, but that would be a very ignorant statement and I would throw the guy out of here that would say something like that. If I find out who it was, I’ll make sure I buy his ticket.”
Because that stuff happens all the time. Why should it bother Izzo if he’s a mature adult?
PS. You’re reaching on the recruitment thing.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, agree to disagree, but at least let's get the basic facts right
According to JConline (http://www.jconline.com/article/20120122/SPORTS02010201/201220320/Michigan-State-taunts-Purdue-coach-seething), Painter acknowledges that there WAS an exchange (in your quote, it says there WASN’T):
“He had the exchange to me,” Painter said after the game. "The thing you have to do is coach only one team. My players aren’t going to talk to opposing coaches.
I think players (and even myself) will agree with “The thing you have to do is coach only one team.” Coach your own players, not the other team’s player, no matter how punk he is. His coach should handle him, not you.
And Izzo is more mature b/c he did it AFTER the game. You don’t get verbally involved with 19-year-old kid or 20-year-old fan DURING the game as a HC.
Yes, agree that the recruiting thing is stretching, but remember I ain’t the one bringing up Calloway.
I brought up Calloway because of the similarities in the "exchange"...
…you brought up the recruiting angle.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
As agreed upon earlier, agree to disagree
I for one feel nothing we’ve done yesterday makes a recruit considering Purdue jumping out and said, “Hey, I really want to play for this coach.” You are entitled to feel otherwise. After all, in all seriousness, we keep getting football recruits (and actually not bad ones) after all the Hope’s blunder. Who knows?
Izzo wasn't aware of either instance until after the game was over, so, yeah....
…he did address it AFTER the game. You’re right there.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
You talking about Dawson or Izzone?
Izzone chant is loud and u think Izzo didn’t hear ANYTHING whatsoever? Maybe it’s true, if he is focused on the game only, which is what a HC should be.
BTW, I don’t think Izzo is great either. Don’t give the guy too much credit. He says “I’ll try to address it.” (“I’ll address it” is a lot stronger than “I’ll try to address it”) To me, “trying” means nothing. But at least as a head coach, he focuses on the game during the game, not the distractions. (To be fair, it helps that he is at home, so it isn’t a fair comparison)
Considering everything I read said that it was a SINGLE student that Painter yelled at...
and it was directly behind Purdue’s bench, yeah, I don’t think Izzo heard anything whatsoever.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
oic, *ONE* person in the Izzone yells classless slur
and we make such a big deal!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! There are classless fans EVERYWHERE, and in the heat of the game someone will say something that is ridiculously mean that he doesn’t truly mean.
it was a SINGLE student that Painter yelled at…</blockquote
Considering it was also a SINGLE fan whom Ron Artest was going after at Detroit.
Big enough deal that Izzo wants to revoke the kid's tickets....
and address the Izzone about their behavior.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
To Painter's credit
He probably read my 3-keys to the MSU game and we did 1) win the rebounding battle (or at least meet my requirement, not get murdered, the team really show up for the first 15 mins and crashing the board), 2) hit FTs (can you believe 19-24?!), and 3) win the TO battle (esp. in the first half when it’s more about MSU bad passing).
But I guess no one expects a combined 1-17 from our two leading scorers. It is truly another game of “shots not falling”, although at some point this excuse will no longer be valid. As John Hart (3-of-4 and 10 pts) says, “The (weather-related) adventure getting here is not an excuse.”
On an upset Saturday where #1-Syracuse, #3-Baylor, #4-Duke, #13-Uconn, #20-Mich, #25 K-State all lost (some even at home!), too bad we couldn’t pull it off and even got routed, sigh.
Get behind or get lost
We lost it happens what Painter did or didn’t do had no barring on the out come. We have parody in all of college basketball .You need an edge to win in any game . Today we didn’t have that so what ! I could careless what their fans or players did. This game falls in the Shit Happens basket. Move on we need 6 more wins I say we will get them . Lets make the tourney and get on a roll. I was a fan in 1969, and in 1980. I was a fan when Matty won 9 in his first year. I am all about Purdue win or lose . It’s not about me it’s about my team. I believe in fan SUPPORT! Don’t bad mouth my team to make yourself feel better . BTFU
Coaching is overrated...
Getting better players that go inside to get baskets cures all these coaching concerns. Purdue relies on outside shooting and if you don’t hit your shots you’re going to get your ass kicked. Need to recruit a big who’ll control the lane and get you a tough bucket when you need it. I hope Hammonds can deliver, but I’m concerned. Robbie is a great player, but he needs others to take some pressure off him. The big 3 were so much more together than they are as separate players. Talent and recruiting cures a lot issues…unfortunately we’re going to struggle for a while – the next couple years at least. Maybe the Scott kid has the moxie and the toughness we need, but he’s a guard, you need a big that goes with it. For the most part, other than Lewjack’s toughness, we’ve got nice kids that are good basketball players. That doesn’t win too many championships, but we’re proud of the guys that represent us. I just think we’ll always be a nice program that almost gets there. The Butler model is something rare that happens as often as Haley’s Comet. Duke does it consistently. I’m not sure how Purdue gets there.
Agree and Disagree
Coaching is overrated when you have little talent and you’re trying to make the Big Dance. There is only so much a coach can do with our talent and that goes true anywhere.
However, once you get a team to a certain level of talent, coaching makes all the difference.
Problem with Purdue is not the fact that 60% of our roster should not be playing D1 basketball. It’s we have positions where we are at such a major disadvantage, that single problem impairs us. Look at last year… we had an all-star center and shooting guard, a solid point guard, and a decent role player at the other wing. Our PF situation was why we fell apart at the end of the season. Other teams exploited that weakness. This year is a similar situation at the post position. You can’t have a position where it is a guaranteed liability regarless of how well you have the other spots filled.
Missouri
Sounds lke you all wish Coach Painter had taken the Missouri job. We are PU fans, even though we know will will never reach a final 4 – we still can’t change our loyalty. Often wish I could – falling short gets OLD!
by BoilerFan83 on Jan 22, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a sec,
since when have we never reached a final 4? Not trying to call anyone out, but this pessimism is starting to get really old really quick. We all knew this was going to be a down year, and if 14-6 is down (in a stacked Big Ten), I’m willing to accept that. There’s plenty more games to be played, so let’s just sit back and watch how this season plays out.
"Hummel for three..... BULLSEYE!!!"
Not Just This Season....
This season is not disappointing so much….the last 40 years are though! Frustration and Disappointment – if trials make you stronger, all Boiler Fans must be made of steel. This season – 4 more regular season wins and a good run in the NIT.
You really think we're going 14-6? Or 12-6 since there's only 18 games?
I’d be happy with 9-9 or 10-8 at this point.
no 14-6 is our current record
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 23, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is referring to our B1G record
…which currently, we are 4-3 (so for us to go 9-9 it will mean 5-6 the rest of the way)
Hell no!
I love Matty P and I’ve learned so much from him that I have always been very proud to have him as our coach even after defeats like Xavier and PSU
If I sound critical of Matty, it’s b/c I have sooooooooo much respect to him. I have learned soooooooooo much from his coaching philosophy that it makes me more proactive and productive in life. I never wanted Painter to leave for Missouri, and I truly believe he has what it takes to get us to the FF.
60% of our roster shouldn't be playing D1 basketball?
Really? That’s highly ignorant.
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Point was
we only have a few players that would get a scholarship from another top 60 D1 school. We expect more out of our players then they are capable of consistently doing.
We have really nice and hard working players on our team but most of them bring only 1 skill set to the court. Painter is doing everything he can, and more, with the cards he has to play.
yeah well
its also getting old hearing “I’m willing to accept this or that”, which is what some have called the loser mentality.
This fanbase needs to LEARN how to demand more at all times……
by Boilerhoosier91 on Jan 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions
Painter Regrets
I sense CP is regretting his choice to stay at Purdue – I think he realizes that Purdue will never make a final 4 – but we still root for them!
Good for us, bad for CP.
That's going waaaaaaaaay too far
MP has a bad day travelling, lacks sleep, and the team gets their ass kicked and no one stands up for him to make a statement. I am critical of him just b/c I really look up to him a lot and respect him, and I’d really like to see you eat your own words when we go to our FF under Painter.
Eat My Words....
Believe me..I would love to eat my words. But as a Boiler fan for over 40 years, I just don’t see a Final Four happening anytime soon. Too many close calls and “what ifs” plague our program.
You gotta be kidding me
it takes time to build a damn program. Did Painter mess up and not land anotehr great class to back up 07? you bet, but to say that Purdue will never make a FF is too extreme. Hate to say if but if Hummel doesnt get hurt we are a one seed and are lookin at a FF in Indy, I truly believe that. That said, it seems like the incoming classes will be stacked and reload. Its on Matt to keep the classes coming.
No way in hell Matt Painter has given up/ regretting the choice after 20 games.
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
so you think that Purdue doesnt make at least E8 in 2010?
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 22, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, we kicked ass that entire year up until Hummel went down
that was a FF caliber team.
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 22, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
As a three seed we got our asses kicked by VCU last year.
To say that we would definitely have done anything is a little ridiculous. The better team loses often in the tournament.
by Ray Williams? on Jan 23, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Please Please Please
from now on use CMP. CP means something completely different and horrible on the internet.
Regret?
Regret not taking over a team that graduates 7 seniors and it’s top 3 scorers at the moment? Basically having to rebuild around Pressey and trying to recruit against Kansas? Compared to the two good classes coming in, I don’t think he regrets it. Outside of Kansas the Big12 is all about football Painter wouldn’t be the big man on campus. As long as Hope is still around he won’t have to worry about losing that position at Purdue.
BoilerFan83
You need to change your attitude, or change your name. A true Boiler fan would not be spewing the filth that you are. I’m guessing that ‘83 stands for your birth year? That puts you at 28 or 29 years old, but you’re going to talk about 40 years of Purdue history that you weren’t even apart of? If you’re going to bash our team, or our coach, get off the boards. No one wants to hear anyone’s negative opinion, especially when it’s not backed up by researched evidence that supports their negative claim. We would love to have you as a Boiler fan, but not a Boiler hater.
It could be the year he graduated as well...
making him near 50 years old….
To your call once more we rally...
A naive 28-year-old?
More like a whiny 3-year-old!
He has his right to an opinion. Plus, He's only off by 8 years.
With the FF. Most of his talk is crazy, true. But I think he’s pissed off at being lil brother. - yes I said it. Now the talent is Div I… but it’s not as high as it needs to be to be dominant. The Mizzou talk is tough- Haith came into a great situation. And he’s making the best of it…. Painter is finding tough sledding recruiting his state and neighboring ones.
Once again, the Purdue brand is not sexy (waiting for another Purdue hottie). Mostly because the Purdue culture is so old-school. Every fan here seems to love the “grindout method”… the high profile players seem to think that weighs down their chance to shine off their athletic abilities. I don’t know—- I think you need a balance to be a constant championship program. I think players (and opposing coaches) do their research and and they see a program like Purdue, or are told that Purdue is “dead-end” place, when it comes winning a championship or being a NBA superstar (I’m saying Glenn Robinson is the only superstar that came from Purdue for the last 20 years— Twaun and JJ are “pending”).
I say this because I think these are the obstacles that Painter have to fight against when it comes to recruiting—- after just getting past the first obstacle which was financial support. Painter works tirelessly. The loss of Cuonzo Martin hurts a lot more than people realize also. This is going to sound ignorant but I think recruiting high profile players coming from mostly not ideal upcomings, players relate to similar backgrounds. (I know that doesn’t apply to all recruits, specifically Gary Harris). Cuonzo had that appeal with the players. Hopefully Shrewsberry and Owens etc. will keep on working hard to get some higher players.
To your call once more we rally...
Hopefully Shrewsberry and Owens etc. will keep on working hard to get some higher players.
I’m hoping Shrewsberry, after being at Butler and going to two Final Fours, would help in-state recruiting a bit. Results are pending.
Anyway, nice post.
I'm not so sure
I’m hoping Shrewsberry, after being at Butler and going to two Final Fours would help in-state recruiting a bit
I’m thinking Butler received the most beautiful opportunities to make the NC back to back. They took advantage of them. Credit to them, however I don’t think that will be something that will be a selling point to recruits for PURDUE only because it’s not Brad Stephens system. It’s a Matt Painter system that was a product of a Gene Keady system. We’ll see though
To your call once more we rally...
Try optimism
Life will be much greater. Accepting defeat because that is what you expect can’t feel good or healthy. It’s like a fat person who says I’m fat because of genes, when in reality, it’s because of the dozen donuts for breakfast.
If you don’t set goals because you are afraid to fail, then I guess you will never feel like a failure. Good for you. But you’ll never be a winner either.
the funny thing is
I’m a naive 25 year-old, but I’m not going to take this crap anymore. People are getting on our players for “giving up” yesterday, while we have “fans” on here that are giving up on this team for the rest of its existence!
Never Gave Up....
just setting realisitc expectations. At 25, your only beinging to experiece the Boiler frustrations!
It sounds like you are in a lot of pain and frustration as a Boiler fan
So may I ask, are you still a Boiler fan? If so, why you keep being one despite all the frustration and pain that you seem to allege the program has caused on you?
Exactly
sounds like he needs to go be an IU football fan, so that way if his team loses he can just say yeah well i dont care i know my team sucks.
by jack'sIUdisdain on Jan 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe some of the negativity on this thread
Seriously we all knew this was going to be a down year, we are seeing the results of average recruiting since the 2007 class. I think Painter has righted the ship recruiting wise, though we won’t see the dividends for a year or two (hopefully next year). Considering what state this program was in when he took over, I think he’s done a fantastic job overall.
Also, there’s no denying that over the years Purdue has had its fair share of bad luck, but it does no good to hang your head and completely give up as a fan, that’s not going to do any of us any good. It just makes the program look bad. After awhile all of the ‘things never go our way’ or ‘nothing good ever happens to us’ sentiments begin to feel a bit like a self-fulfilling prophecy. The fans are negative and expect bad things to happen, it rubs off on the program and its players indirectly, the players start to believe it, and before you know it the program starts to have a ‘cursed’ feel to it. Whenever something bad happens (say Hummel tearing his ACL) everyone points at it and says ‘See! I told you! We are cursed!’. When something good happens, it’s an exception to the rule. I don’t know, I’m probably exaggerating a bit and I know we aren’t all like that, but I’m just tired of the ‘we are cursed’ type of comments, the only way to reverse that feeling is to not let it get you down and keep cheering on the program until we get our breakthrough. Which will happen.
Along those same lines, saying we are never going to make final 4 (looking at you, BoilerFan83) is freakin’ ridiculous. Saying that Painter regrets not going to Missouri just because we are having a bit of a down year is also ridiculous, and a little insulting. Purdue is his alma mater, he’s got two highly rated recruiting classes coming in in the next couple of years, and we have a great fan base (I think, anyways). We might not have as many supporters as Kentucky, Kansas or Indiana, but we do have passionate fans who want to see the program succeed, and Mackey is a great place to play (and just received a multi-million dollar renovation, btw).
I also think that this site is great for Purdue athletics. It’s hard to measure what kind of impact it has had or will have on the program overall, but I think it has given a lot of us a place to talk about the team with other fans who we never would have come across otherwise. Living in Indiana, it can be easy to get the feeling that everyone is an IU fan. At least for me, this site has opened my eyes to the number of passionate Purdue fans that are out there, and it makes me feel more positive about the program’s future. After all, a program’s success depends in large part on its fan base.
Anyways, that’s my two cents. Boiler up!
Negative or a Realist?
I have supported the Boilers both finacially and as an avid fan – and will continue to as well. The kids on this year’s squad are a great bunch of student athletes – the play hard and represent our university proudly. It just seems now that CMP has his big contract and commitment from the Athletic Department – he is feeling the heat! Great incoming class – sure – until they get hurt or decommit. It will save us all alot of sleep and hair loss to admit that the Elite Eight will be our highest achievement – history does not lie! Boiler Up!!
I'm in my mid 20's, but my dad's been a Boiler fan for most of his life...
and he’s nowhere near as negative as you. But hey, if it makes you feel better to think that way, go for it. Just don’t expect the rest of us to share your negative outlook.
Btw, it’s ironic that you say ‘Elite Eight will be our highest achievement’ and then follow that up with ‘history does not lie!’. Historically speaking, the elite eight is not our highest achievement. I would think as a lifelong Boiler fan, you would at least recognize that.
by Boylemaker88 on Jan 22, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell are you babling
We were in the FF 1980 and 1969 and I would be good with elite 8 there are 345 schools so 337 others would take that.I expect a NC in three to five either way I will get there.
Honestly
I wonder if some of this frustration is coming from Butler having back to back NC game appearances out of nowhere. Under normal circumstances I wouldn’t have that high of expectations for this season considering everything. However, I will admit my expectations are higher considering what Butler has done.
how does conference affiliation matter once the tournament starts?
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 22, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
One positive from that game
Didn’t have to pay for the hotel stay
/morgan’d
Agree with the original post
Had we won this game, none of the conduct from fans or players would have been an issue. Who cares what their fans or their players do? They can say anything they want. It might be rude, it might be innappropriate, but there’s nothing anyone on this board can do about it, so who cares? I don’t care if there’s an entire stadium of fans screaming mama jokes, ACL chants, or racial slurs. The game is played on the floor, not in the stands. Some fans on here need to rinse the sand out of their shorts and get over it. We don’t need an apology, we don’t need any discipline on Izzo, Dawson, or any fans. Trash talking is huge part of basketball, if you can get in a guy’s head and rattle him then you can own him for the entire game. They’re just words people, they can’t hurt anyone. I don’t think the Izzone has any mythical power to cause an ACL to tear by chanting. Sticks and stones will break my bones…. Let’s just beat them on the floor when they come to Mackey, and our fans can show them how to be a fan with some class. Or, alternatively, do the exact opposite and chant “asshole” every time Dawson touches the ball. They’re just words, they can’t affect the outcome of the game.
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