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Building A New Orphanage In East Lansing

I'd like to thank the Purdue basketball team for their contribution to the East Lansing community today. Whether it was a bad day, the travel conditions, MSU's defense, or (probably) a perfect storm of all three, we threw up so many bricks today that they were able to harvest them and build a new orphanage for the city of East Lansing. Really, we did a lot of things right. I felt we defended Draymond Green very well. We started off strong on the glass, especially with Sandi Marcius giving us a solid boost. We were aggressive at getting tot he basket and we had good looks from outside.

Unfortunately, it comes down to putting the ball in the basket. Michigan State was extremely efficient at doing so, while we were not. I am sure the travel conditions had something to do with it, but as Dan Dakich said, you can't do anything about it but come off the bus and play. You can either piss and moan about it or get off the bus and play. Dakich made a good point about Robbie Hummel complaining on camera to start. It's not something you want to see, but still, we at least looked like it would be a game with our early aggressiveness.

When you can't hit anything, it doesn't matter how well you play defense. When the other team is hitting everything, especially when the Spartans asserted their will in the second half, it doesn't matter how well you shoot. When both things occur, blowouts happen.

Star-divide

As usual, I credit Michigan State for simply doing what it needed to do. I think this was better than the Penn State game because the effort was there. We tried everything. We tried driving, but the Spartans cut off lanes and switched on screens. We got good looks (Ryne Smith in particular) but we couldn't hit them. But it was the number. At the under 8 timeout of the second half Michigan State was shooting 65% and we were shooting 25%. That, my friends, is brutal.

That shooting allowed things to get out of hand once the lead was pushed to 14. We still had a chance coming into the second half, but the 7-0 run by MSU to start effectively ended it. Unless we started shooting well we had no chance at that point, and we didn't shoot well.

All you can really do is shake it off and move on. As we have seen, this team goes in cycles, so we just have to come back home and defend our home court against a damn good Michigan team. The only positive we can take away from it is that we really can't shoot worse than this.Robbie Hummel is not going to have this poor of a game again. Ryne Smith is not going to go 0 for 5 with five wide open looks from three. At least we hit our free throws to prevent things from being worse.

There are better days ahead. All we need is six more wins and we will make the tournament. Let's focus on getting those and see what else happens.

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Burn the Tape

Also, burn Dawson. What a punk. Keep your mouth shut. I hope we hard foul him next game so he can’t walk.

by Purdue_it on Jan 21, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Izzone was wrong

To say anything to Hummel about his ACL and YOU are wrong to say this.

No fanbase should ever root for an injury.

The Izzone is better than this and I hope Hammer & Rails is too.

by msuduster on Jan 21, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

well go look at the MSU gamethread

specifically, when the Purdue guy went down hard on the tie up with Wood. You’ll see the exact opposite of, “I hope he’s hurt” type stuff.

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope

that you represent a small portion of Purdue fans then.

by msuduster on Jan 21, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

This is my cue

To leave.

I still think H&R is a great blog with a lot of fantastic content about Purdue.

Good luck with the rest of your games and we’ll see you in West Lafayette.

by msuduster on Jan 21, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Tmill, banhammer pls?

At least a temp ban?

Apologies, duster. Not at all representative of H&R.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Get some class dude

You’re hammering msu fans for yelling stuff at robbie and then you tell this guy you don’t know that you hope he dies. I agree with this guy I hope you represent a really small portion of purdue fans

by BoilerBen on Jan 21, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And believe me, you should hope I represent a large portion.

If you don’t want you’re feelings hurt, stay off of internet chat boards.

by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 21, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a huge difference

Between hurting someone’s feelings and telling a stranger you hope he dies. It’s a basketball game and no reason to say something like that no matter what he says.

by BoilerBen on Jan 21, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't hurt my feelings

It just makes all Purdue fans look classless and is extremely unnecessary to say to any opposing fans. When you go on the road, its cool for heckling but telling someone to die is not right or cool

by BoilerBen on Jan 21, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just meant for that game

Chill a little. Guy does need to be put in his place after that though.

by Purdue_it on Jan 21, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we were wishing injury, really.

But sometimes a good hard foul is needed to send a message.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats really what I was saying.

Kid needs to learn to respect his elders, especially other coaches.

by Purdue_it on Jan 21, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm seriously upset now

We, as Purdue fans, want to be an elite program. We fancy ourselves a program that can at least contend for conference titles every year. Well, I hate to be brutally honest, but we are not. When is the last time msu lost by 25? We have lost two games this year by 20 points are better. This is ridiculous! Does anyone think next year will be any better? Not me. Maybe the year after, or the year after that? How hard is it going to be for izzo or another coach who consistently has a program that competes every game to take our recruits? Not very, in my opinion. I am venting, yes, but the fact that CMP didn’t get anything to back up the Baby Boilers is starting to really piss me off.
This lull in talent cannot happen again. Nobody can justify paying CMP the kind of money he is getting to have a strong program for a few years, then take a couple off. The future does look bright, but I am also a Cub fan and that team takes up my “Wait till next year”.

by Scotty A on Jan 21, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

Uh, news flash

We beat MSU by 20 on their floor last year. they lost at Wisconsin last year by 26 and lost a National title game by 17 in their home state. These things happen

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Purdue can totally be an elite program, but some guys really need to take charge right now and turn this thing around. This is the gut-check part of the schedule, and guys that don’t do well from here on out probably won’t get much time when the freshmen come around.

by lonewolf371 on Jan 21, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I know

I should never type angry. I took a shower and feel much better now.

by Scotty A on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You have it all wrong.

This program is going places. Have you considered that we’ve WON at the Breslin for two years in a row before this year? That’s because we had elite talent. This team lacks anyone that can create their own shot. Next year we get an elite big man, a 4-star point guard, an incredible scoring threat in Davis, and a huge PF on Simpson. The year after, we will build on that with one of the top players in Indiana in Scott and another talented scorer in Stephens. You’re kidding yourself if you think one game determines the program.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck Dawson. Little punk ass. Hope we tear him up

by PurdueEnginerd on Jan 21, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Anyone know what he said?

by BoilerFan22 on Jan 21, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It ended in Coach

Something like “Nice team Coach” or something of that nature.

by BoilerchE on Jan 21, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It was right after a dumb turnover.

I think he clapped and said “Well Coached!” right at Painter

by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 21, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's hoping

Dawson spent enough time on our campus during his recruitment to be stricken with the ACL curse. I know that’s classless, but neither is he apparently

by jhenke89 on Jan 21, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It's one thing to recognize a player is an 18 yr old idiot, quite another to wish an injury on him.

Probably a good thing we didn’t get the kid after all, if that’s the type of behavior he exhibits. I mean he CHOSE Michigan State, why would he have a fucking grudge against us or Painter?

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 21, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Horrible

Just horrible…..

Comment all you want about how classy it was (or wasn’t) for Dawson to talk to Painter, but the majority of MSU fans will agree Dawson shouldn’t have said squat.

And this is really stupid.

by msuduster on Jan 21, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I can’t imagine Izzo is going to be very happy with that little taunt.

"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy

I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.

by jhitts08 on Jan 21, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Really disappointed in the defense

You need to have some special players to score a lot of points, but just about any D-1 athlete knows how to get in someone’s face, disrupt passing lanes, and take a charge. The defense today was terrible. When you’re struggling like Purdue is, one area you absolutely have to do well in is defense.

As I said in the open thread, some player needs to really take charge and light a fire under the team. This can’t be tolerated at all. I was disappointed in Chris Kramer’s offensive ability while he was here, but now I’m realizing just how much he meant in terms of the mentality he bestowed upon our team.

by lonewolf371 on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

This season would be so much better

If the record was still the same but there was someone on the team that we could say, “wow he is going to be good”. I just don’t feel it with anyone right now who will be moving onto next year. The only possible time is when tj attacks the basket, but that is pushing it. Hate having to rely totally on incoming classes for our next star.

by TheBox on Jan 21, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I actually look at TJ as that guy.

He’s had some pretty good games this year and didn’t shoot very much today. I think he could be All-BT potentially as a senior.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I think it's a credit to Painter

that this year is disappointing. This is probably one of the worst seasons besides his first season since Painter began coaching here and we still have a great shot of making the NCAA tourney. Although I want Purdue to be an elite program with all of my heart, it’s hard to argue that we are when we haven’t been to the final four since I was one year old. When Painter took over this program our expectations were far lower than they are now and I credit Coach Painter for making it that way and I expect great things in the near future. For this year, I think it would be great to make the NCAA tournament and then you never know what can happen once you make it in.

by boilerg on Jan 21, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Our expectations are too high this year

We had an exhausted team arrive 2 hours before the game against a team with considerable more talent coming off a 2 game losing streak. MSU is better at every position (especially with Jackson and Hummel injured). It’s going to be like this for the rest of the year as we are in the bottom 4 in the league when it comes to D1 basketball talent. Games we shoot well we will compete regardless of our opponent. If we don’t shoot well, we can lose to any team on any night.

by Sportsnut on Jan 21, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

but it’s hard not to have expectations like that when our backyard foe Butler goes to the NC game with the team they had last year.

by Boiler00 on Jan 21, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I'll be burned at the stake for saying it

But Robbie was as dissappointing as dissappointing gets. People have off days, especially on a few hours of sleep, on a bus. I get that. You watch him on the bench though, he just pouted the whole time. There was no fight, no getting angry or getting tough. Just rolled over and died. The team followed his lead and did the same. I don’t blame them for losing, they were flat exhausted. What burns me is the attitude I saw on floor, and on the bench. Once MSU started pulling away, they all just started moping, careless passes out of bounds or to MSU defenders, pathetic. This team needs an emotional spark, and Robbie wasn’t it today.

by AAMB Boiler on Jan 21, 2012 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

that's fair

I think we’re all just expecting him to be the savior Cody Zeller and carry the team on his back every game.

by Boiler00 on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I have to agree with you

I mean, we let Dawson put on a show, insult us all over and no one stands up for the Coach or for the team. No, I mean not like getting into a fight or foul him hard or anything like that, but like crazy hustle, crash the board every time, defend like a fiend, body them up so close that they can’t breathe. Instead, what I see is just looks of defeat and giving up. That is what disgusts me.

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sincere apologies.

As a spartan I am disgusted by the Izzone chants directed at Hummel and the behavior of Dawson. This does not reflect the tradition of MSU program

by spartynation on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

We really appreciate that.

I want to hear from whoever runs the Izzone though.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

SAF

the students run it. But you can’t police one person out of 3k. If someone narc’s out the idiot who yelled this, I’ve got no problem with their Izzone tickets being revoked.

by msuduster on Jan 21, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto

Hummel is nothing but a great player and kid. I really do hope he makes a fortune playing overseas if he doesn’t get a shot at the NBA.

by msuduster on Jan 21, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad to hear respect from a sincere fan.

Now, if you don’t mind, go reform your brethren.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I remember “brokeback Hummel” from a couple years ago—which was amusing. This wasn’t.

Hope Izzo writes a “While I appreciate your enthusiasm” letter to the fan base.

We know most feel the way you do but sometimes it’s hard to keep it in perspective.

You helped us, though.

by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 21, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what happens....

When you play the dirty recruiting game with recruits of questionable character. Dawson’s handlers wanted to play ball and MSU played ball.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN's Diamond Leung tweet:

“Purdue’s Matt Painter said he got into it with the Izzone because he heard this directed at Robbie Hummel: ‘I hope you tear your ACL again.’”

I want a written apology from Michigan State University. Not acceptable in the slightest.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

OK... I'm going to type this measured

I had no problem with the Alley oops and them laying the points on after a blow-out, it’s probably classless, but I think we should be able to stop that from happening. To me the game was over, we weren’t coming back. Everything else was window dressing. I still think the Paint crew etc would love to see some showtime with some alley-oops if the opportunity shows itself. I’m not gonna lie, i would love to see that. But whatever.

I really didn’t know the Izzone said that until I saw it on Twitter. Yeah that sucks. I don’t think we should demand an apology though, not that we don’t deserve one… but I don’t like demanding a forced apology.

That being said, I think that this game is a tossem game… they need to comeback and hold court at Mackey — any way possible. You want to get back at them… and the izzone… win at mackey.

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

that being said... we played like crap

let them talk, they deserve to talk.. I’m more concerned about this team. That being said, this team is not a good team talent-wise. Truly assess this team right now and the players that will be there for the next 2-3 years. (TJ, AJ, Carroll, Lawson, Hale etc.) I know you like TJ being a NC Panther and all, tell me why you’re so high on him? I just don’t see a special player out there

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think his game is developing.

Some signs are there that he can do things. I think with better talent around him he will make more noise.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

So Dawson said, "Nice team coach"

or “Well coached” and supposedly (because nobody watching this game on TV could hear it), a member of the Izzone made a rude comment to Hummel?

Hey I understand not being happy after a loss, believe me I never am, but that’s some pretty tame stuff to be getting upset about. Not excusing it, but there are far greater things to be upset about after this game.

Mainly, if I was in your shoes, I’d be pissed that the athletic department didn’t plan travel for this game better. I think it was pretty clear that your guys were exhausted & had no legs today – that explains the very poor jump shooting. The athletic department gave them no advantages with that huge travel snafu. Could have bussed in yesterday afternoon or last night.

Overall though, it’s still only one loss, and Purdue is only half a game back with twelve to go. And have a chance to even things up in a few weeks at home.

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me?

WTF did he do? This isn’t Along the Olentagy; we don’t ban for disagreement. Ditsor fired first and has been acting the douche this entire thread. Apologies dersh, hope you still come around at a better time after this.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I have a personal “no-trolling” policy (no matter how tempted I may be when I hear from our friends in Ann Arbor), honestly make best efforts on opposing boards to contribute postively. Just difficult when you’re not a regular to know who share my point of view, and who view any non-homers as “turf enemies” or something

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, I hope you keep the effort to make positive contribution

Just understand that folks here are pretty frustrated right now.

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, I'll buy that. The Izzone was awful today.

But we’re being every bit as dickish to Dersh and Duster. Which totally goes agaisnt everything H&R has always been

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the whole "what did we do really that wrong?" attitude.

Not a specific act, but the general idea.

I’ll admit I’m just as frustrated as anyone and will agree it was a dumb motion, but it’s still not a great idea to go onto the other team’s blog with that attitude. I really appreciate what spartynation did, and I guess I expected that to be the same response most Spartan fans would give on here.

My apologies, MSUDersh, and we’ll see you guys in a month!

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

BTW, the first road B1G game was the 1995 35-35 MSU at Purdue tie when Mike Alstoff & Scott Greene combined to be the whitest, no-neckest, all conference RBs in conference memory. Had a great time down in W Lafayette, that is one big drum you guys have. Just remember partying in a dorm and getting grub at a local Steak & Shake type place the next morning

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good old Triple XXX

Amazing place!

I haven’t been to MSU yet, but I hope to get up there sometime soon (with what happened today, I think we can rule out a January basketball game though haha!). Looking forward to a good time when I do!

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily agree with really anything he said, except the part about our AD.

But I really can’t stand dumbass flaming, because it ruins blogs, and probably my favorite part of H&R is the respectful community and discussion.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He is being reasonable right now.

And you are all taking it on on him like he said the things. While he may not agree with how many Purdue fans feel about the comments toward Hummel and Painter, he is being civil. He didn’t come in and say “I agree, I hate Purdue, they suck bla bla bla”.

by herby20 on Jan 21, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are you here? Shouldn't you be celebrating your win...

instead checking the Purdue threads out? Hope you keep beating teams in that stink of shit you call the Breslin Center.

by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 21, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I was going to pop in for the

Good game, should be a heck of a rematch in WL next month, but was a little suprised to see the tenor on here. BoilerTMill is nothing but class over at TOC

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually agree with this

Only takes a couple idiots to make everyone look bad. That being said it was completely classless.

Also if I were you, I would lay low for a while. We aren’t really in the mood for chatting with Spartan fans right now.

by BoilerchE on Jan 21, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree with boiler_ditsor either

But I needed some time to cool off. And not just because we got whupped.

Thanks for understanding.

by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 21, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree with your statement that it's not the end of the world,

it’s still incredibly disrespectful to talk to any coach like that, much less one that you almost played for. It was completely uncalled for and served no purpose in the game. If you don’t think it’s disrespectful to do something like that, try talking to your boss like that and see what happens. I really hope you do.

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be more like

Talking to someone who is the equivilant to my boss at a different company?

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You get the point.

No need for technicalities when it comes to respect.

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm surprised coach Izzo

didn’t pull Dawson out of the game and rip him a new one for talking shit to the opponents coach. I’ll assume Izzo did not see it happen. The right thing to do would be bench Dawson for the next game and require him to call Painter and apologize for his behavior. This was not a close game where emotions were running high. It was a blow out and absolutely no excuse to disrespect a choach.

by Sportsnut on Jan 21, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree about suprising Izzo didn't do anything immediately

But then again, he can’t see everything from down on the floor.

In the Iowa game, Nix glared at an Iowa guy who was apparently squawking all game, when he hit a layup to put MSU up 25 or so. Izzo immediately sat him for rest of the game.

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

and THAT's the Izzo that I have come to respect.

he’s a hard guy to not like.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is from the recap.
“We got guys in our student section that probably say some things that are out of line, too, but I’m just not taking that,” Painter said. “Somebody has to fight for him.”

Izzo said he would’ve thrown the fans out if he heard him say that to Hummel.

Painter also said Dawson engaged him by “rubbing it in” near the Purdue bench during the lopsided game.

Dawson insisted he was simply talking with Boilermakers he knows such as Anthony Johnson when Painter lashed out at him.

“I think it all had to do with me not going there,” said Dawson, who is from Gary, Ind. “They’ve got a great program and Coach Painter is a great coach.”

Izzo said he would be disappointed if in fact Dawson was talking to Painter.

“If he was, I’m going to handle it,” Izzo said.

I may have green colored glasses, but nothing I have seen Coach Izzo do over the past 17 years would dissuade me from believing that this is what he would do. In other words, he is not making these statements to placate the media. If Dawson sits the next game, you’ll know why.

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 21, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

For the record, Dawson is a complete punk — right now. He will learn to keep his mouth shut though, because Izzo is a great coach and an even better teacher. He will know better than to run his mouth with national TV cameras watching. His denial of saying anything to Coach Painter says a lot about how much learning he needs to do still. But I’m pretty sure Izzo will get him in line.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly believe that Izzo will handle this fine.

I don’t think he saw it live, and Dawson seems to just be making it worse after the fact (first denying he said it when everyone saw, then trying to CYA with the “talking with friends” BS). And then he goes and suggests that Painter’s just being petty and bitter about the recruiting battle?

This kid needs a lesson from Izzo, and he needs it now.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I heard, the entire Izzone was chanting "Bring back Hummel"

That kind of thing is unacceptable, asshole. I hope you’re ready to go against The Paint Crew. We’re the top student section in the nation for a reason.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Being in earshot of the opponents

Means that you have to be smart as a student to never make your comments something that doesn’t represent the whole student section, let alone the University. That being said, I was there all 4 years, and most recently at the Illinois game right behind Weber & co.
Anything I heard coming from the students adjacent to me was clever and never teetered on something disrespectful let alone a hateful comment toward the Head Coach regarding one of the hardest working selfless players to ever play in the Big Ten.
I also realize that those select individuals don’t necessarily represent the entire university, but really they do. It only takes one moron to taint a reputation. Granted, this isn’t some huge deal, but to discount it and not be ashamed of it in light of a great win shows the same lack of class the student(s) displayed today.
Proud to be a Boilermaker because I know what we represent. Time to get after Michigan

by boileralum2010 on Jan 21, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Players shouldn't taunt opposing coaches....

Especially when said coach refused to give cash to said recruit during the recruiting process. Said player should respect said coach for having higher morals.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Jan 22, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Get over this

Sour grapes make you look even more like sore losers.

"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy

I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.

by jhitts08 on Jan 22, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hear about Fab Melo from Syracuse

I guess he forgot to sign the paper written for him in his english class. Oh well Syracuse is respectable academic institution, they will find a way to get him back on the court. Show him exactly where he suppose to put his mark.

Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever.

by Zboiler on Jan 21, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Cut the izzone a break

Games get emotional and one guy out of 3000 chanted that to robbie. I know there is one or two lunatics in the paint crew who might not say exactly that but something dumb. You can’t tear down a whole students section class because of one fool. Now Dawson on the other, I hope he shoots 0-10 at mackey and gets booed off the court.

by BoilerBen on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

I heard it over Cliz.

It was more than one guy chanting about Robbie. Couldn’t understand anything but his name though.

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If an opponent shoots like that at mackey, i'd want him to come back too

It depends on the meaning of it. That does not really sound anything like “tear your acl again” chant. Just need to bring the heat and intensity on February 19th and deliver payback. nothing we can do about it now except for the athletic department learning to plan how to fly out earlier when snow is predicted

by BoilerBen on Jan 21, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are taking that comment wrong.

I think they meant more along the lines of they wanted Hummel to come back in and play. A lot of MSU fans adore Robbie Hummel like most of the Big Ten does. They probably wanted to see him come back in and score.

by herby20 on Jan 21, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And what did you see?

I saw them cheering like any fans would when an opposing team misses. I didn’t see them throwing things or spitting on Purdue’s players. A total of two people out of thousands there acted foolish. I respect the MSU fan base. I know many friends there and they act respectful, and they love Hummel.

I am willing to bet they wanted Robbie back in playing like his old self, not the tired and down-trodden Robbie that was at Breslin today.

by herby20 on Jan 21, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I would tend toward this interpretation as well.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

what happened to...

“These are just kids” you are always stressing whenever anyone has anything bad to say about a recruit? Once they turn 18 its now ok? Kids say stupid things all the time. How about we focus on how we lost by 30 points instead.

by TheBox on Jan 21, 2012 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL, thank you!!!

Yeah, what happened with the “they are only kids” argument? You know, when you are in college, many times you dunno what you are saying, and college kids say stupid things all the time. How come everyone gets so pissed?

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt that's was their reasoning

Reaction images? I got 'em
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by Danulas on Jan 21, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, no way....

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 21, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

have you ever been to a basketball game?

by chops1221 on Jan 21, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe they wanted him to come back in and not score

Because he was awful today, and the more he is on the court the more of a liability he was being for Purdue (and the better for MSU). I don’t think it was an ACL thing.

I know this was a bad loss for you guys, but you need to lighten up about some of this stuff.

"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy

I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.

by jhitts08 on Jan 21, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the advice. Who are you again?

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 6:46 AM EST up reply actions  

First time poster, longtime reader

I enjoy your site, FWIW. Just some insanity on Sunday.

"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy

I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.

by jhitts08 on Jan 22, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

A few thoughts about today's game

1. Burn the tape. Burn it and forget about it.
2. Rest the guys tomorrow. Get them home ASAP tell them spend the rest of the day and tomorrow focusing on academics and relaxing. But be ready to bust ass on Monday morning at practice.
3. If I was Izzo after what Dawson did he would be at the end of the bench so fast his head would spin. After I finished with my post game press conference I would run him until he pukes. What he did was completely unacceptable and has no place at any level of sports.
4. Part me wants the Paint Crew to give Dawson the business the entire game another part of me wants them to just ignore him the entire game. Booing him, etc will gives him what he wants(attention) and validates what he did in some ways. Just my thought.

by MNBoiler on Jan 21, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't it mess with his head

if everyone gets completely quiet when Dawson has the ball, and then make earsplitting noise when anyone else has it? Whoa. Chills.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that idea.

Contact the guys in charge of the Paint Crew right now.

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by Danulas on Jan 21, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it.

The normal OOOHHHHHHH on defense, except, when Dawson has it. Would be cool

by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 21, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the "Burn the tape" suggestion.

Problem is, it kinda loses its impact when you’re burning a tape every other game.

by Hummel's figurines on Jan 21, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with burning the tape

You can’t just burn the tape after every bad game, and then keep playing bad games. Instead, you need to burn the image of getting embarrassed so badly in your head to motivate you to really kick their ass on the court the next time and do not accept anything less than 200% effort.

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My take

1. If I were CMP or the players, do NOT burn the tape. Play it a million times and burn the Dawson punking us image in your mind until you get sick. Use this as motivation. If any one day you feel like slacking off, watch the tape and remember how it feels to be on that receiving end and swear you never let it happen again.

2. Forget about how Izzo deals with Dawson. It’s their business. Dawson could be the biggest jerk and I don’t give a damn b/c he is not wearing a Purdue jersey. I would never wish injury on any player, and I really don’t need to. Guys like him will get the ending they deserve (say, b/c or his attitude he never becomes the great player that his athletic ability would have gotten him, or that he becomes one of those 72% NBA players who go bankrupt).

3. I kinda agree with you about the Paint Crew. I dunno the silent treatment (ignoring him) would work though (coz someone will be shouting sth). If we have to say sth, make sure it is sth intelligent, and not distasteful.

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we that sensitive?

yeah this sucks… but dang we played horrible… and Robbie played like he had no legs. Look, it’s a bad loss, why are we pissing and moaning over what a bunch of kids said about us. We have to shrug that off. the y got a win, they got their swagger off on that. Now it’s time to get ours… I mean if it means being a little bit “classless” we might have to be… we gotta fight and not be soft about what people say aobut us

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

True.

But the MSU fans that have come on H&R are bitching and trying to reason how they don’t need to apologize. If they would just show some class, all parties involved can move on.

by Jackson Brunner on Jan 21, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

um....
Sincere apologies.

As a spartan I am disgusted by the Izzone chants directed at Hummel and the behavior of Dawson. This does not reflect the tradition of MSU program

by spartynation on Jan 21, 2012 11:36 AM PST reply actions

"We were a little fat and sassy" -Tom Izzo

by itsalwaysunnyinEL on Jan 21, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Noted

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

They did apologize

See spartynation’s “Sincere apology” comment at 11:36am PST.

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

pfffttt!

Pacific time. You’re living in the past! :)

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

While I agree that they acted classless and if the pople who did it sincerely apology unforced, I would accept it. But Spartynation did come on here and unsolictedly apologize, so I don’t think their acts reflect on all Michigan State students and fans, and also I don’t see why some forced apology or administrative P.R. junk would help make it better. We just have to get our revenge on the court at Mackey.

by boilerg on Jan 21, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Demanding apology is meaningless if the other side is insincere. A heartfelt apology like spartynation is good enough for me. If anything, remember the pain and embarrassment, and get our own revenge ON THE COURT.

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, let's all just get over the he said, she said BS

we don’t like Branden Dawson and obviously it’s shitty if their fans chanted about Robbie’s ACL woes. Let’s get over it.

by Boiler00 on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Joe Rexrode (covers MSU) on Twitter

has been tweeting during the post game press conference and says Dawson says he didn’t say anything to Painter, and Painter said “I don’t have to take your shit” to Dawson.

To me it looked like Dawson said something first, but that was just my opinion.

by boilermaker4 on Jan 21, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Dawson is lying.

It was obvious, even to the ESPN crew on the game, that Dawson was running his mouth first.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it was so obvious that they showed a close-up replay of it

and you couldn’t see what Dawson said, except for maybe lip-reading his last word as “Coach”, but he DEFINITELY said something that pissed off Painter.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ridiculous

Him saying it is on national TV.

Credit to Izzo though from that same Twitter account he didn’t know this stuff was going on and seemed pretty upset about it when he found out afterwards.

by BoilerchE on Jan 21, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't understand dawson here

It seemed to me that he picked msu over Purdue sort of last minute when most of us thought he was coming here. Why be a dick like that? You already got us once, why do it again when we are clearly down. What a dick.

by Scotty A on Jan 21, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Something happened between him and Painter after he made his choice to MSU?

by Kodiak33 on Jan 21, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that I've had time to cool off a bit,

I think we should just cool it a bit towards the Spartan fans on here. They’ve been great to have around, and just caught us at the wrong time. We’ve all had our moments, but we need to not let them get the best of us. I’m guilty just as much as the next guy, but let’s keep this a classy site.

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

Well said. Things got out of hand there, and I didn't necessarily mean to come down on anyone.

I was just trying to keep a lid on things and not start a full-scale blog war. I don’t expect everyone be calm and collected after a loss like that, but civility is always good. Plus, I like having a rep as a classy site. :)

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I shouldn't comment for at least an hour after losses.

I hate so much to see Purdue lose.

Then watching a kid that Painter gave utmost respect by recruiting him hard, talk shit to his face. What the hell did Painter do?

Upsetting to watch Rob’s senior year play out like this. Shoulda Coulda Woulda

by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 21, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Still a lot of the year to be played.

If/when we make the tourney, anything can happen.

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries, dude.

I absolutely agree with you on Dawson: that shit is disgusting, classless, and has no place in the game. And it def sucks to watch Robbie struggle.

I didn’t mean for it to get personal or to sound preachy. That’s actually why I was asking tMill for a temp ban, just as a cooldown period. I don’t even know if we have that option, actually.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

just give some of our CS students an IP address

they can find a way to temporarily ban anyone :P

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...it's tough to sit and take it

Sometimes, though, that’s what upsets trash talkers the most.

by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 21, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not near as bad as the score.

I didn’t think MSU was playing that great of defense. We were getting good looks, but not hitting…at all. I didn’t think we were playing that bad of defense. They were just hitting every open look, period. We tied them in the rebounding battle which is hard to do when they are hitting everything and we are missing everything.

by mastertim on Jan 21, 2012 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

If Hummel and Ryne hit 50% we are talking about a respectable game. I honestly think they were taking open shots that should have been about 50%.

by mastertim on Jan 21, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Off-topic: Anyone see that clubbing Novak put on an Ark player on the break?

College basketball is not showing it’s classier side today.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

No but I'm watching Mizzou beating Baylor @ Baylor

not a bad team that Haith inherited… I’m sure Painter will get the job done though

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Baylor is not deep at all.

And I don’t think they have the raw talent of UK on their side either. Is an interesting game for sure though.

by herby20 on Jan 21, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

Looks like Michigan will be coming off of a loss now, Boilers will look like fresh meat once again.

by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 21, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

same can be said about Michigan though....

we’re desperate as hell… we have to be

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

We have to utilize our big men.

When we are shooting terrible, we have to look for other options. Marcius looked decent when he got the ball. He was posting up but for some reason we are not getting the ball in. Hummel and Jackson should know better than when he is ice cold, that he needs to look for other option.

by docjay0 on Jan 21, 2012 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

They don't trust the post with their backs to their baskets

Marcius is slow/travels when he tries to do his move…
Carroll… slow
Lawson… yeah… can’t even hold on to the ball

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, when Marcius had the ball, he did some nice things.

Same with Carroll the last few games. Big men are slow, because they are big. They can’t do anything if they don’t get the chance. When most of our big’s touches are at the top of the key, playing within the offense, then it’s a problem. When you are shooting 25% from the field, other means of scoring have to be looked at.

by docjay0 on Jan 21, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a problem we've faced all year.

Today it just got overlooked because we had the roadtrip to blame poor shooting (and thus the game) on. Not that I’m saying we should make excuses for shooting poorly (which has been a thorn lately).

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS.

If we go to them and they fail, then look for another option. But I am SO DAMN TIRED of watching our guards look at a big with a position….and dribble the other way. And not even think about an entry pass. Come on, guys, trust your teammates.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 21, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

AGREED

Why are we not throwing the ball down low? I don’t even care if we throw it right back out, I will at least be looking at something besides our guards running around the perimeter like chickens with their heads cut off only to drive into the lane and toss the ball at the backboard (not even sure if some of them were aiming for the rim) like the guy from along came polly… LET IT RAIN!!!!

by oser1122 on Jan 21, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

at least let them have a shot. Let them go at least 0-11 before stopping passing it inside.

by Boiler00 on Jan 21, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

There’s something to be said for learning and improving during gametime. Practice only does so much for a player. If they can improve their play during a game (by getting more touches), that could prove very valuable. Not saying we should focus on them for our offense, but at least don’t ignore them entirely.

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

For what it's worth....
Joe Rexrode @joerexrode
Izzo on Dawson talking: "If he was, I’m gonna handle it." Looked surprised at question. "If he did, my apologies to Matt."

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 21, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

that's why most people respect Izzo

because he understands taking responsibility for his players’ actions.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

from Jeff Washburn's twitter
Nothing to do with Izzo, but long-standing Purdue-MSU honeymoon took a hit Saturday. Painter was angry.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 21, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Why should there be a honeymoon after Dawson and Harris?

I don’t necessarily mean bad blood, but they (and O$U) were the top dog in the B1G for most of the 2000s, and then we started competing with them so I don’t see any honeymoon between us and them. If anything, we are rivals, or at best, respected rivals.

by charlespig on Jan 21, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully they get that going...

The post game that is…I just think they don’t trust the post at all… Marcius seemed very very slow to me the last time he had a post opportunity (Xavier)…. this game was more pick and roll opportunities for marcius

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

well, for what it's worth,

we probably would have only lost by 10-15 if we had played the walk-ons from the beginning of the 2nd half. they played better than the starters.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Gottlieb

Is Doug Gottlieb the biggest moron in all of sports?

I say, without question. He doesn’t even have any competition.

ESPN loses considerable credibility just having him on staff.

by Crunchy on Jan 21, 2012 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

is he a douche? yes. Pompous and arrogant

He may say the wrong things… but his feel on Purdue is pretty spot on for now

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Gottlieb

Gottlieb said similar things about Purdue even when JJ and Moore were here. But, no, it’s his arrogance and obvious belief that his opinion is the ONLY one that matters.

by Crunchy on Jan 21, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah... he's built his career on crooning off of the sexy teams

ala… Colin Cowherd.

Let’s face it Purdue is not a sexy program… so he’s never going to be sold on us. But to be honest, he’s critical on a lot of teams though…

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He said....

Purdue’s reign is definitely over in the state of indiana and that Hammons was Purdue’s only noteworthy committed recruit. Clueless.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Tournament

I still can’t see how Purdue cannot make the tournament. There are 16 seeds, so they couldn’t even make 16?

by Kodiak33 on Jan 21, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough stretch

Purdue has a seriously tough stretch coming up, and any of the games could go either way, to say the least.

by Crunchy on Jan 21, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I still don’t see how we couldn’t make a 16 at least.

We are playing like shit though sometimes, maybe it doesn’t matter. Our talent level is just not there this year.

by Kodiak33 on Jan 21, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough stretch

Michigan toss up
@ NW toss up
IU toss up
@ OSU L
NW W
@ ILL L
MSU toss up (assuming we can shoot)
Nebraska W
@ Michigan L
PSU W
@ IU L
If we go .500 or better on the toss-ups, I like our chances. Might only be a 9 or 10-seed (or even play-in game) but it’s still better than NIT.

by boilerjake on Jan 21, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like the idea...

but I think we can pull some sympathy votes to make the tourny. Think about it, you don’t have a hair on your ass if you don’t want hummel to play in the tourny the last year of his collegiate career.

by oser1122 on Jan 21, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Painter always said

you have to put yourselves in position to get a (good) spot in the tournament. Can this team do that

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Just now realizing Gottlieb is an idiot?

We had an entire article by TMill dedicated to what a dumbass he is. To answer your question directly, he is the biggest idiot in all of sports. I got in my car after work and his show was on (I was listening to Mike & Mike on the way in) and his commentary was so bad I had to change the station. He couldn’t complete a sentence without pausing 3 times (not an exaggeration) to compose his thoughts, and when he did compose one it was uninformed and idiotic. I really think he just says things to generate controversy and get his name out there. The best thing the sports world can do is ignore him entirely. Of course here I sit doing the exact opposite, but the point is still valid.

by AAMB Boiler on Jan 21, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Just got back in to see the thread here

Wow guys. Come on. We’re better than this.

Some warnings have been doled out,. I know everyone is frustrated, but I won’t tolerate people attacking each other and wishing injury on players. We’re better than this, guys. Let’s act like it.

Part of the pride I have for this site is that we handle ourselves well win or lose. Everyone is frustrated, but we had a very off day, MSU had a great day, and we had the travel issues.That’s what led to this. Let’s move on and get ready for Michigan.

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 21, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

I would have deleted and reworded my first post if I could. Just frustrated.

by Purdue_it on Jan 21, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

actually wondering

why the site won’t allow you to edit or delete posts… It sure would help in some cases.

by Boiler00 on Jan 21, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe as to not intentionally misconstrue

what the reply posts are. However, as soon as i hit post, I said “oops”

by Purdue_it on Jan 21, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You got a warning for saying "I hope you die"

and “Go tear your ACL.” There’s disagreeing, and then there’s being a flame war-starting asshole. Some of your early comments fell under the latter category. There’s really no need for that and it makes Purdue look worse than if you didn’t “stand up for Purdue.”

by wassaw on Jan 22, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice Try.

Way to make assumptions based off of no evidence. I just graduated in May and had student season tickets 3.5 out of 4 years, and was in the Paint Crew my last 2 years. I didn’t vote for, or voice support for the lounge chairs. Look, if you’re going to be a troll and spout personal attacks and snide remarks at Purdue fans and opposing fans alike, just leave.

by wassaw on Jan 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

okay, I laughed...

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

that's exactly right

Standing up for Purdue is fine.

Telling someone to die and tear their ACL is not.

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 22, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Realistically I think a top half finish in the B10 and a first round NCAA victory should be our goals this year. This team will have days like the Illinois game where we can beat anyone, but also more games like today. Simply way too one-dimensional on offense and nothing inside on either end.

And this stuff with Dawson? Meh. If he wants to talk shit then so be it. We’ll see if he can replace Green next year. He is a great athlete and Izzo is a great coach, but we’ll be much better prepared to compete with them the next few years.

by Crunchy on Jan 21, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with that on the goals.

I had hoped that with the wildness in the conference we could sneak in and steal the race, but we’re not consistent enough to win 13-14 games to get there.

I am thinking 10-8, with anything better being a bonus.

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog

by BoilerTMill on Jan 21, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

well,

that’d be all right, I suppose. as long as we still finish higher than IU :P

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what I said earlier this year...

this is going to be like the ‘06-’07 year… with Hummel being Teague like… and Smith being like Lutz…

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

A little off topic from the other haterade going around, but...

is anyone else as upset as I am with the fact that the team spent their time on the tarmac last night watching movies? And, “The Thomas Crown Affair”, no less. I mean, sure they deserve some free time… but once it became clear that they were not going to be able to stick to their planned schedule that included a shoot-around last night, the first thing Painter (or better yet, one of the seniors? anyone?) should have done was turn off the movie and start talking about the scouting report, and/or watch some more game film. Then they could have maybe at least defended better today and had a fighting chance even though the shots weren’t falling. Either that, or get them off the stupid plane earlier and either take the bus last night or let them get to sleep earlier for the 4:45 am ride.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

Eh

It’s easy with hindsight to figure what they should have done, but you know pilots. They don’t give shit for information and you never know when they are actually gonna take off. I could see sitting there and hoping for 3 hours.

by mastertim on Jan 21, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If it were a commercial flight, I'd be with you 100% on that

but this was our own charter flight out of the Purdue airport, if I’m not mistaken. There’s no way they were completely oblivious if that was the case.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand why Marcius played as much as he did today. He is pretty god awful and there is no better citation for that then his own teammates’ reluctance to throw him the ball. The second source I would use would be Carroll’s large amount of minutes even when he was playing terribly.

by mrpink51089 on Jan 21, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Purdue Athletic Dept. Again

Once again the Purdue Athletic Dept. put one of the major program teams in a bad position. We should all be used to this by now. Travel to Lansing was handled poorly—-doesn’t anyone in the Athletic Dept. watch the weather? The storm was called for three days in advance yet they ignore it. Team should have left Thursday night. Hummel is the hero here for calling out the travel situation. Well done Mr. Hummel. Gottlieb and Dawson are two of a kind. However in Dawson’s case Tom Izzo will handle this very directly. No one will know how he addresses the talking to Painter issue. What he should do is; during the MSU game at Mackey tell Dawson (in uniform) to go sit on the end of the Purdue bench since you like to talk to coach Painter so much. When coach Painter says he can go into the game penalty served. HAVE SOME FUN PEOPLE!

by boilerbear70 on Jan 21, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

Agree with the first part

What the hell were they thinking? You know they aren’t going to take a chance flying in this weather. They should’ve taken the bus Friday afternoon. Whoever scheduled that should be fired.

by Kodiak33 on Jan 21, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

mehh

We all have to remember they are all students. They do have class to go to. While I partially agree with you, in that they should have just taken the bus last night. Thursday night doesnt really seem feasible(they have class on friday). You also have to understand cost. Theyre probably flying 25 people. Thats not cheap to change flights 3 days before…

We all have to realize this isnt the NBA…

by PurdueEnginerd on Jan 21, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

NO Firing Please!

“I don’t like firing people”. But some planning and just pro-active actions in the Athletic Dept. would be real nice for a change.

by boilerbear70 on Jan 21, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Why can't we delete comments?

Haven’t needed too, but some of those up there ^^ should be deleted.

by Boiler219 on Jan 21, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Hummel's knee

I’m surprised nobody here is talking about Hummel’s knee. Dakich talked about Robbie being gimpy. All of those short shots tends to support that assertion. If you can’t get power from your legs, then you can’t shoot well.
It could be a big deal for the long term – if his legs just can’t hold out. I hope not, of course, but it seems like a real possibility.

by reswat on Jan 21, 2012 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Dakich also mentioned that he thinks Rob's knee is perfectly fine (all things considered)

but that there was just “something else” – couldn’t put his finger on it.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 21, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not his repaired ACL that is causing the biggest problem,

It is the other knee where the graft was taken from the patellar tendon for the first surgery. He has had tendinitis in that knee since that surgery. Rob Blackman said on Dakich’s show earlier this week that Hummel only has enough strength in that knee to play a game and then after every game has to sit out of practice for 1-2 days. Said that Hummel is doing what he can, but there is no way to argue that he is 100% because he just isn’t.

Not an expert on this, and correct me if I am wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that using patellar tendon may increase the risk of patellar tendinitis, especially if the rehab process is rushed. 1 out of 15-20 patients will have to deal with this. (Apparently Hummel is unfortunate, again.)
And since the tendinitis is caused by the tendon trying to adjust after it becomes thin where the graft is taken, it’s different from usual tendinitis. The tendon will not be 100% normal even after 5 years, and even when treated the tendinitis can still last for years.

I sure hope Hummel can start trusting his body more, playing (and especially shooting) better soon. But above all I hope that there won’t be any big, long term health issue. He has already been through so much.

by spazio on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Patellar Tendonitis

On the “healthy” knee

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 21, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Purdue will bounce back

It is only one game and Purdue will get better.

I am disappointed that IZZO did not take Dawson out of the game for talking trash to Painter but I not really surprised. Izzo seems to let the inmates run the prison at MSU; maybe he has lowered his standards to attract elite players.

by FijiFred on Jan 21, 2012 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sure the racial overtone of this statement is purely accidental.
Izzo seems to let the inmates run the prison at MSU

The phrase is generally “inmates run the asulym” which connotes a completely different idea than the one that you attempt to conjure here.

That being said.

How would throwing off two players (Allen and Lucious) who were pivotal to the team’s back to back Final Four (and a NC game) appearances fit into this narrative that you seek to create? How does this action show that he is not in control of what happens to the team?

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 21, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a blog. People come here to talk sports.

That’s kinda the purpose of it’s existence. Acting like an asshole to visiting fans, or even other Purdue fans, is not acceptable. Argue, debate, pontificate, do whatever you want, but do it without attacking people.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 22, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking to Ditsor or the MSU fan that just called Fiji a racist?

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 6:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Ditsor. I already know Laxer won't listen to me, and I don't want to get into the substance of the debate at hand.

That’s not the point, although the racist comment was out of line. I’m more reacting to Ditsor’s continued poor behavior throughout this thread.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 22, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

MSU fan comes in and calls Boiler Fan a racist.

Another Boiler fan stands up for him. Then gets blasted for standing up for him.

Shouldn’t you be blowing your flute or something? You’re not the internet police, quit acting like it.

by Boiler_Ditsor on Jan 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Cute, a band joke.

Get off your cross. You didn’t stand up for him, you tried to order Laxer off the site. Listen, you can say whatever you want and I can’t stop you. I am going to call you on it, though, because you are making Purdue and this site look bad.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought I politely pointed out what could be construed as a racist statement.

I’m willing to listen. If I step over the line please let me know.

I’m still interested in how Izzo’s actions over the past year or so would show an example of the players running the show in EL, if Fiji would like to elaborate on his comment.

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 23, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No mention of Dawson telling Painter to

“sit down coach!” What a classless thug. I hope Izzo is happy with his investment.

M$U!

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Jan 22, 2012 8:27 AM EST reply actions  

Still only counts as one loss

Losing by 1 or 25 counts the same in the standings. FSU beat North Carolina by 33 -stuff happens – I’m sure Matt will use this as a motivation for the next game

by BoilerRick on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

I bet the Xavier coach wishes he would have thought of that...

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Just read threw most of this thread (took awhile)

and there are definitely some pussies on here…..who gives a shit what students were saying to or about Hummel.
There are pussies on here whining about getting made fun of on the playground and want to run and tell on them to the President of the Izzone or MSu..wow
Disappointed because a very good player, that totally passed on the little boys of the playground, talked some trash to piss the little boys off???? “they’re not playing nice and hurt our feelings”
Get some freakin balls or get off the playground!! This fanbase needs to toughen the fck up

by Boilerhoosier91 on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I Wish

The Purdue basketball team would play pissed off.

by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 22, 2012 1:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Great. Welcome back.

Is there really a need to be calling other posters “pussies”?

Grow up.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

"We have the Cannon, the Bucket, the Little Caesar's Bowl trophies, and I'm pretty sure the Nation's Best Kick-Off Team Trophy as well to put in our trophy case" --Purdue Coach Danny Hope

by carmen_fanzone on Jan 22, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing

For once I actually agree with you (somewhat)

by charlespig on Jan 23, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough Loss

but there’s “no crying” in basketball.

I am 100% sure that Hummel feels worse about the 0-10, then the chant.
The only thing that matters, is that we need 6 more B1G wins.

by Boilers2Indy on Jan 24, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

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