Where is Willis going? Updated see it live!!!!
I have searched high and low looking for a clue. If Jody Demling doesn't know I would say only the Willis family knows.Demling is a recruiting guru and this is his backyard.Please don't bash the kid if it's not us no good can come out of that.What I know from trying to track this story. His HS coach said Mom likes Purdue,Dad likes UL,and I like UK.The HS coach has been pushing UK and in Kentucky they have no Pro teams UK is King there no doubt he is being pushed to choose UK.BUT he tweeted right after his dad said he was close to deciding and for no other reason '' I like to see my mom smile'' was this a code I hope so.If he goes to UK he will make his state happy if he goes to Purdue his chance of turning pro more than double he will need time to build his body to make the jump to the next level at UK if your not a freshmen or sophomore your done for.I think if we get him JaJuan plays into that.If he goes to UK he will have made an emotional decision that cost him millions.The reason he backed out on us was the HS coach when he went home then his decision changed it was the HS coach to blame.I think it's a two dog race and I hope it's Purdue I like our chances.
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Kentucky
He is going to Kentucky. No way Sleazy Cal lets him get out of state. If he happens to choose Purdue, I think he needs to tweet an apology to Purdue nation for originally de-committing.
Money talks
No evidence but would anyone here be surprised?
Yes I would.
Don’t you think Cal is already under the microscope with the NCAA? He’s not that dumb. He gets these recruits because of his track record of developing players. And if you don’t think he can develop players in a year, or isn’t that great of a coach, just look at what his players were ranked coming out of h.s. and where they got drafted. I believe all but one of the 5*s improved his stock.
by clarkaj24 on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh give me a break
He doesn’t need to apologize for anything. He’s handled all of this very well. He said he felt like he rushed into choosing Purdue and wanted to weigh all of his options – de-committing was the right thing.
I would love for him to choose Purdue but only he knows if Purdue is best for him.
by Zorak84 on Jan 16, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same way.
Yes, he rushed his decision to begin with, but he realized it before any harm was done. He could’ve pulled a Roy Roundtree or Scott Martin on us. Instead, he gave Painter plenty of time to adjust and start going after other recruits. (No hard feelings to Martin, I think he really wanted to go to Purdue but once he got here he found out it wasn’t right for him, it happens)
by clarkaj24 on Jan 16, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kentucky
It’s gotta me. No way he recommits to Purdue. Not at all. I had some optimism for Gary Harris. This guy… maybe 5 percent chance.
by PurdueEnginerd on Jan 16, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions
Timing
One might conclude the timing of this announcement would favor Purdue or Indiana as both teams are to a point of oversign and you need to commit now or you’ll miss the bus.
Kentucky has signed no one in 2013 and a recruit could wait until the middle of his senior basketball season before room runs out. Willis could take the wait and see approach on Kentucky to see what other forward talent Calipari brings in to ensure he will get quality minutes.
I find it hard to beleive when you are the top dog in-state that you will consider both rivals. When is the last time you have seen a basketball playing teenager that doesn’t have a strong preference towards two instate college rivals. I’m thinking he just likes Kentucky over Louisville…. plus, Pitino will stop coaching at Louisville between now and 2016.
Overall, I say 75% to Kentucky, 15% to Purdue, 5% to IU and 5% to Louisville… Purdue is just so low because we are the recruiting underdog and extremely unlucky with 5-star recruits.
He's not really a 5-star ... at least not yet
Just ranked #42 on ESPN. Obviously ESPN is not everything, but there is no question that he is far from being a consensus 5*.
As for UK not signing anyone in 2013 and they usually sign blue chip guys late, I am not totally buying it. If he commits, it is a signal to Cal to focus on getting a guard. It is a signal to all SF/PF out there to look elsewhere.
Anyway, overall I say 45% UK, 40% UL, 10% Purdue and 5% IU.
Really?
Why would Basil wanted him at Purdue? He should know there is no scholly available, and if Willis ’ buddy is a packaged deal then Basil going prep is really the only reasonable expectation.
Offhand I'd say Basil is just all-in on Purdue and wants as much talent here as any fan does.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 16, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Cart before the horse
We don’t know what Painter has told Willis’ buddy. We do not know if it is indeed a “package deal”. That is an assumption. There are also about 13 other possibilities of things that may happen before Willis ever puts on a Purdue uniform – should he choose to go here. Let’s not get too revved up on the assumptions here. There is a ton we do not know. Painter knows a lot more than we do. We need to have some trust and faith in him. He has not let us down yet, IMO.
Marcius
I currently see Marcius as last on the depth chart for any position by that time. Don’t see him playing ahead of AJ, Simpson, Lawson, Carroll or a redshirt sophomore Hale. He may well decide to transfer for grad school and some playing time. Willis fits perfectly in that group, by the way.
I certainly don’t want Basil to redshirt (and really don’t see it happening) but it might be very good for him. We’ve had similar recruits redshirt in the past and have very nice careers.
Either way Basil will be a very, very good Boiler.
Oldboiler52
I like trying to read your stuff but can you start tossing in a space or two between sentences? It would make your posts 294% more readable.
Agreed, I love the updates
But a little punctuation would go a long way.
by Boylemaker88 on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Every 4-5 sentences at most is my rule
I used to have big paragraphs too…there’s no right way, but that worked for me.
Internet updates are weird that way—it needs more paragraphs than actual normal writing.
by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 16, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
(and yeah, Oldboiler, your 2012 update works great)
Thanks for tuning that up!
by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 16, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
the news industry standard is at least every 6 lines
to write for a wide audience and hold their attention and comprehension, you are supposed to write at a 4th-5th grade reading level.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
by JustAJ on Jan 16, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't hold your breath.
The way this whole thing went down, I would be shocked if he recommitted to the Boilers. He renegged because of local pressure and, ultimately, he will make the decision that makes the most people happy, UK. I’m sure my view is biased, but I do think he is taking a huge risk if it is UK. Take a look at who they got coming in in 2012 and who their targets are for 2012 and 2013. Tons of SF’s and PF’s as good or better than him. He could easily get buried. At Purdue, he would play big minutes right away but also be developed to max out his potential. In short, he would be the man. But I said the same thing about Harris, and we saw how that turned out.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 16, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
there are only 6 kids in 2013 that are as good or better than him that play a similar position
the ones in 2012 won’t be there in 2013 anyway.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
You mean like how Terrence Jones decided to stay?
It is easy to say some of these kids will go to the NBA, but a lot also decide to wait another year to improve their chances.
Jones stayed because of an impending lockout
he was still a first rounder but low enough that with the lockout it wasn’t worth the risk. Still let’s say that two guys from each class go the Terrance Jones way. That means the current 2011 class wouldn’t be there in 2013 anyway and the 2012 class would leave two guys to compete with as sophomores. No juniors or seniors will be able to produce on the level Willis can so they aren’t a factor. So two sophomores, let’s say 4 freshmen and Willis make up the team. 7 players sharing 5 spots is hardly intimidating for a top 25 kid.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
You may be right, but it is still a risk.
The degree of risk is debateable but this list would concern me. 2012; Poythress SF 97 (signed), targets Muhammad SF 98, Bennett PF 97, Pollard SF 97, Jefferson PF 96 and Parker PF 96. 2013; targets Parker SF 98, Price Martin PF 95, Randle PF 98, Walker PF 97, Williams SF 97 and Williams III PF 97. Obviously, not all will end up at UK but it only takes couple 2012’ s to stay or a couple 2013’s to sign/stay for Willis to be fighting for PT. Is Willis a one and doner? If so, he better be able to outplay these types of athletes. Otherwise UK probably isn’t the best fit.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
The point is
There aren’t enough to kill playing time for him. The only reason Wiltjer is not getting more time is because there are three NBA caliber upperclassmen as well. It won’t be the case for UK in 2013. At worst Willis is first off the bench.
The mentioned targeted 2012 guys are all one and done. So if they choose UK it won’t affect Willis.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
by JustAJ on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
OK, it's a date.
I’ll check back with you in 2 years and we’ll see if DW is riding the pines or riding the blue wave toward another FF. Not gonna lie, a lot of my thoughts on this are peppered with the odor of sour grapes.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 16, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Cool, I like it
And thx for your honesty.
Willis
Tons of SF’s and PF’s as good or better than him. He could easily get buried. At Purdue, he would play big minutes right away but also be developed to max out his potential. In short, he would be the man.
I have stated the same.
I also think Willis actually fits better than GH. And most likely, like JJ and Moore, he would stay at least 3 years.
I am thinking Purdue.
Like people are saying he would get buried by the constant top recruiting classes that UK has gotten the past few years and will probably continue to get. I see him as Kyle Wiltjer of UK now if he goes there. Willis would get playing time at the SF or PF but not be a huge part of the team starting out just like Wiltjer. Also Wiltjer was a 97 and 5 star coming in but is seeing semi limited playing time, where as Willis is “only” a 95 and 4 star.
difference
Wiltjer is playing on a team with 6 NBA players next season. Willis would play on a team that has his freshman class and likely no upperclassmen of significance.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
This is true.
But whats to say that UK wont have another recruiting class in 2013 like the 2009 or 2011 or even 2010 that would just push him down the depth chart. Its hard to tell, but going on whats happened the past 3 years I see him in a similar situation as Wiltjer coming in.
there are only 22 players in the entire class ranked ahead of him
it is damn near impossible to find 5 other players in that 2013 class that will all go to one school capable of pushing Willis out of a starting spot. You recruit for a #23 prospect, because it is impossible to recruit over him.
The reason Wiltjer is “only” getting 14 minutes a game is because Darius Miller, Jones and Lamb are all first round caliber upperclassmen and ahead of him in the lineup. Willis would have no such thing in front of him, because the one current guy in 2012 that isn’t a one and done is a center and only Wiltjer and Teague have a minute chance of still being around in 2013.
Just not a plausible scenario for Willis to fear being recruited over. There is no over. In fact the only place of his top four schools that he would currently have to worry about competing for playing time is Indiana because as charlespig pointed out there would be a large contingency of veteran depth he’d have to battle with for time. Although, I don’t believe that will necessarily be a problem either because in IU’s offense he could play 3-4 different positions.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
He is 23rd on Rivals
But he is 33 and 42 on Scout and ESPN respectively. Cal also got 4 McDonald’s All Americans for his 2011 class. If he can do it once, he can do it again. If he wins a title, I put the chances of him getting 5 players higher ranked than Willis fairly decent.
23, 33, 42 and rising
he’ll be a five star when all is said and done. Worst case scenario, barring injury is he comes in at #30 on average.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I thought he actually fell?
When he was first rated by ESPN and them he was a consensus top 20 recruit. Now he is averaging around 30.
he had a HUGE summer
and is having an even more monstrous school season. He was a consensus top 20 as a frosh on potential (see Basil Smotherman). Fell a bit in between freshman and sophomore season and is rising again after his post-sophomore summer and current school year session as a junior.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
ESPN jumps around a lot
Basil Smotherman was #26. Now he dropped a ton and on Rivals he is now like #162.
a normal Kentucky class is 4-5 NBA players
supplemented by a couple upperclassmen. There will be no upperclassmen left in 2013. That’s the difference.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
You're right about UK
Cal has no interest in you staying around for more than 2 years. He showed Demarcus Cousins the door way too early for him, and I can’t say it’s worked out real well for him.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
Cousins was going pro after one year no matter where he went to school.
You don’t think Cal would have loved to have him and Wall back for their sophomore years? You’re crazy if you think he showed him the door. He may have told him it was in his best interest to leave, but that is because of his financial standpoint, not because he was done with his services.
comments from Cousins
were that he didn’t welcome to stay. No, he never said that Cal ‘forced’ him out, nor do I think that. But Cousins certainly seemed surprised by Cal expecting him to leave. He wasn’t ready – not mature enough. Cousins knew, and Cal had to know it.
KY (as it’s being run by Cal right now) is the wrong place for anyone but a true One-and-done. John Wall was a good example.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Jan 16, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
But Cousins' stock is at the highest after his frosh year
If he stays for another year, his immaturity will be exposed and he won’t go as #5.
Cousins was "shown the door" because there was no chance in hell he was academically qualifying for another year
the dude took the minimum fall credits and was on an academic watch list for the spring. He again took the minimum in the spring and by all reports was well on his way to disqualifying himself for the next fall without some significant work being put in over the summer.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
No chance in hell???
With Cal, everything is possible, including Derrick Rose passing the SAT… where Cal really knows it or not.
you can finagle your way into college when the NCAA has to keep an eye on
thousands of recruits. It is hard to finagle your way through college when the NCAA only has to keep an eye on 3000 kids at most and each team has its own governing body to help. Compliance departments and high profile programs don’t get away with smudging the books when the kids hit campus.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
True, but it doesn't stop O$U, U$C, Miami and etc. from trying
When a coach is as powerful as Cal, compliance may just be his rubber stamp.
much like IU and Tom Crean
I believe that UK’s compliance department because of Cal’s rep is overbearing to make sure everything is done correctly. It would be a PR nightmare for Kentucky to gamble on a coach with so much smoke and then allow a fire. The same goes for IU post-Sampson. Any little infraction gets twice the punishment to show they mean business. Hell, Calipari was docked recruiting days because during a no contact period he fist bumped a kid he wasn’t even recruiting.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
What about Bruce Pearl?
Didn’t he still blatantly ignore compliance despite all the scrutiny?
Let's assume that's true
That just proves the point further. If Cal is developing talent, then you can bet Cousins would be getting the academic help he needs to keep him at least eligible, and maybe (MAYBE) actually learning something.
If Cal is just using players for a season or two, well…. then he does, what he did. 1> recruit a guy with high talent and low academics. 2> allow him to skate by for a year. 3> ???? 4> Profit.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Jan 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
that depends a lot on the athlete
the help is available but students must be willing to use it. I know several athletes that didn’t make it through their college careers that had triple the advantages that a normal college student doesn’t get. Can lead a horse to water but….
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
He was selected fifth overall.
He is guaranteed a minimum of $7,000,000.
I think it worked out beautifully for him.
by Ray Williams? on Jan 16, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
wow...
I wish someone would show me that door!!!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
more money, exposure and fame then you can possibly handle?
you’re assuming there’s a happy ending …. That, on the other hand, is not guaranteed to lottery picks
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Jan 16, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
and he appears to be handling it all like a 12-year old.
he’s a “where are they now” in the making. Assuming somebody cares enough to ask the question in 5 years.
He’s clearly not ready for what he’s been handed, and is a DUI or two away from a full implosion.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
So, one more year of being a god at Kentucky and he becomes Warren Buffett? Please.
by Ray Williams? on Jan 16, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
72% of all NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years of the end of their careers
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
that was a study done by I believe USA Today about four years ago
and the number has just stuck in my head. I’ll see if I can find it.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
A bunch of folks quote the Toronto Star
The Toronto Star quotes the NBA Players’ Association who call 60% an “educated estimate”: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/299119
Maybe you are referring to some other article. The search I did showed something about 78% of NFL players going bankrupt. I think these numbers are inflated, but I would not be surprised if the bankruptcy rate was very high. Even half of those rates would be high, though, IMO.
it is a bit disingenuous as the majority of those players were never
super millionaires in the first place and anyone that sets one foot in a practice facility counts. Still though, it is an outstandingly high number. I can’t for the life of me find the source information. I just remember reading the number when Scottie Pippen declared bankruptcy a few years back.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I could see where the numbers could easily be inflated
A lot of those players that set one foot in a practice facility probably think they are going to be the next star and live like it too. Then it’s too late when they realize they have to move on with life.
Turns out that was a great idea
See Gary Parrish’s knucklehead theory.
It all these are true, sorry, I just think it's a dysfunctional family
I mean compared that to the Harris family. Harris’ parents encourage his son to explore the pros and cons of all schools and let him make his decision. They keep their hands to themselves and never leak anything to the media. Now we have all these “Dad wants Louisville” and “Mom wants Purdue” and Willis wants to make mom smile but his dad says one thing and his HS coach says sth else.
When father Del Harris came out in August to say he Derrick wasn’t decommiting, I thought he was genuinely blindsided. Maybe he was, but it showed what a lack of communication within the family.
I love WIllis’ skill, and if he straightens his mind and REALLY wants to be a Boiler I’d be crazily ecstatic for him to come. I just don’t see that. Right now, I see a lot of distractions with him, confusion, package deals with buddy, prima donna, and drama queen. Obviously, I do not know the kid personally, and every of my judgement here may be unwarranted and if it turns out so I sincerely apologize.
I will be shocked if he doesn't choose Kentucky or Louisville
I just don’t see him coming to Purdue. He’s making his announcement in Kentucky, and there’s still a ton of time left from now until signing day. The reason he backed out on Purdue originally was because of the pressure he was getting from his peers in Kentucky to go to an in-state school, so I don’t see him making a big announcement in Kentucky that he’s going to go to an out of state school, with a ton of time remaining for his peers to give him flack about it. I just don’t see it.
I think he’s about to join the list of big recruits that Painter has just missed the boat on: Branden Dawson, Gary Harris, Tyler Zeller (we were close on him right?)
Of course I hope I’m wrong, that would be a nice surprise. Painter has worked his ass off, he’s earned the right to have one of these decisions go his way.
I'm with you
Painter works hard to get to one of these kids. When can he finally land one? What has been stopping him to repeat his success that he had with E’Twaun?
If Derek REALLY wants to re-commit to Purdue, he can just do it with a twitter (like how he did with his decommit). He can lay it low and not draw the attention. He doesn’t even need to mention it until the signing day.
Overall, he just seems to be as someone who cannot be trusted. First he commits to Purdue, then he decommits. Next he says he’ll make the decision in the fall of 2012, and now he is doing it in January. People keep giving him an excuse b/c he’s 16, and they keep giving him a free pass b/c of his skill. Anyway, getting him or not, I for one just want this to be over with ASAP.
I was one of the ones giving him a pass initially,
and while I still think it’s important to keep in mind that it’s a lot of pressure to put on a 16 year old (and by all reports he is a nice and humble kid), the whole process is starting to wear on me. Although that may be left over from the whole Gary Harris situation, and some of the other recruits we missed out on. I’m just tried of the whole situation, like you, and just want him to announce where he’s going so we can put it behind us.
I don’t really get why he can’t just say now where he’s going either. If he’s already made up his mind, and it seems he has, why can’t he just come out and say it now instead of choosing a date when he’s going to officially announce his decision? The only thing we seem to having going for us at the moment is that Basil has been pushing him hard to come to Purdue. I don’t really think that’s going to matter in the end, but you never know.
by Boylemaker88 on Jan 16, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
It's like LBJ vs Durant
Durant just announces on Twitter he signs an extension with the Thunder. LBJ needs an one-hour special.
Two questions
1. To whichever school Willis commits to this week, what is the likelihood that he’ll de-commit once again?
2. And if he recommits to Purdue, would it send a bad signal to Purdue recruits? It’s telling them you don’t necessarily have to honor a verbal to Purdue b/c the Purdue coaching staff would be groveling and begging you even if you dump them like a piece of shit? I mean, just look at this quote here, they feel like all they need is for Derek to say yes:
"As far as I understand, the Purdue offer is still there," Del Willis said. "All Derek has to do is call and say ‘I want to re-commit to Purdue," and the offer is there. That’s my understanding through the coaching staff there."
1. greater than zero percent but less than one
2. No. You are reading waaaayyyy too much into the actions and motives of a 16 year old and his family.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
by JustAJ on Jan 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
.26%
he’s gone through the entire process now. He’s seen all there is to see at each school. There is nothing left to look at. The first decommit came when he wasn’t getting any interest from everyone, now there is no one left to come calling. He’ll stay put this time.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
by JustAJ on Jan 16, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on 2. Aren't we all here to care so much about a 16-yr-old kid's decision
…and a decision which has shown to be subject to changes at any moment?
by all accounts the kid is actually pretty quiet and shies away from the spotlight
I think the decommitment and subsequent recruiting run on him by the region’s powers has put him in a position where he can’t avoid the spotlight. In the end, I think he’s a kid that has gone through the whole process and seen what every school has to offer and is ready to be done with it. Of course a lot of that is projection from what I’ve read and been told about the kid, but I think the situation he got himself into has made him look worse in the public eye than he actually is. Such is the life of a 16 year old who is good at basketball in the midwest.
Can’t say I envy him because no matter his decision he’s going to be shit on by 3 large fan bases. Purdue will call him sketchy and claim he’s getting paid. Kentucky will call him a blood traitor. Louisville will despise his existence for spurning their advances and Indiana will call him an idiot and worthless anyway. Funny how one decision of uncertainty has made him a toxic person to anyone that didn’t land him. He’s apparently a hard working, humble and friendly kid who now has a bad rap. It’s unfortunate.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
by JustAJ on Jan 16, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I start to like you, dude
He’s apparently a hard working, humble and friendly kid who now has a bad rap. It’s unfortunate.
I think it’s a great thing that you bring us back to sanity and make us see the human side of a troubled kid that deserves our sympathy. OK, I feel bad about some of the harsh judgment on him.
Still, I think he earned his own bad rap, and it’s a great life lesson for him. Everything has its consequences. You can’t steal second with a foot on first. You can’t commit to one school and then choose elsewhere without any backlash. You can’t eat your words (twice) and expect others will still respect you and deem you as trustworthy.
Same
Funny how one decision of uncertainty has made him a toxic person to anyone that didn’t land him. He’s apparently a hard working, humble and friendly kid who now has a bad rap. It’s unfortunate.
That’s the same impression I’ve gotten.
He will be a great recruit for the school he chooses, both on and off the court. Pretty sure his decommit was not fully his choice, but I hope the upcoming commit is.
Probably reading too much into it
In recent weeks, IU’s Tom Crean, Kentucky’s John Calipari and Louisville’s Rick Pitino have watched Willis in person.
It sounds like Painter has already cut his loss.
Also I fully agree with indystar:
because he is announcing now and because he will make the announcement at his high school — right in the heart of Kentucky and Louisville fans — the choice would appear to be Kentucky-based.
Yet if Kentucky and Louisville have offered, I’m convinced it’s one of those two, more than likely Kentucky. Willis’ father told me there has been a lot of pressure on Derek to stay in-state.
Logic tells us that if he was going to re-commit to Purdue or pick IU, he would do it in a much less high-profile setting and at a later date. If he verbals to Purdue again — or to IU — you know the Kentucky and Louisville fans won’t let the kid get a moment’s rest with 10 months to go before the national signing date.
this
logic and the facts like the first one is a major influence on my grasp of the situation.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
well this sucks..
since Willis is out. who is purdue looking at now? Scott’s younger brother? Anyone close to Willis (skill wise)?
Its his twin brother
And I hope so.But others in the mix Thomas Hamilton jr and Alex foster are the only one in 2013 I’d put my money on Brenton Scott.
Are we still going after Hamilton?
We aren’t listed as having interest on any recruiting site that I’ve seen and I hadn’t heard anything about him for a long time. I think he’d be a good get for us. I used to really want Foster, but it seems that he didn’t progress as most anticipated.
I'd like to know that as well.
Hamilton would be just as good of a get as Willis, if not better. We wouldn’t be going against the likes of UK in recruiting either, though he does have interest from MSU.
Based on tweets
He is wide open on the recruiting side and we are one of the schools he listed as recruiting him. I think it was on Maxpreps not sure also he tweets with A.Johnson and J.Simpson Often. He also follows Jack Owens and Shrewsberry.
Who is Hamilton?
Yeah, Alex Foster seems to be a cautionary tale about offering too early…
Thomas Hamilton, a center out of Ill.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/purdue/basketball/recruiting/player-Thomas-Hamilton-100261
He’d be more of a traditional big than Willis. I used to hear talk of him wanting to play college ball with Jabari Parker, but I’m not sure that that’s still the case. He’d give us good depth at the 5 spot, rather than it being Hammons and one of the 4s giving him a break when he needs it.
But Purdue is not on his list
…and ESPN also doesn’t list Purdue either. It’ll be VERY nice if we can get him, but there is no sign he’s interested in us.
That's why I was asking
Oldboiler mentioned him, so I thought maybe he had additional info on it. I know we had contact with him before, not sure why we backed off, and if we could get him interested in us again.
It might be tough now we have Hammons
He is good. Really good. He might be looking somewhere where he can get a lot of playing time and possibly start. While we could still offer him plenty of playing time since he would be our only other center, he probably wouldn’t start.
landing Hamilton would be recruiting over Hammons
you could play Hamilton at the 4 but Purdue would have to shift their current offense to compensate. Neither Hamilton or Hammons are super capable facing the basket. They are both back to the basket bruisers. Something the current Purdue offense doesn’t have a place for two of.
Would be interesting to see what two starting caliber big men in a Matt Painter system would look like. I don’t think you guys have ever had that.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
That would be a nice problem to have
At least then we don’t have to worry about an injury completely derailing our season. You just can’t have too many big men on your team. Plus, is having RJ “recruiting over” Scott? I don’t understand your logic.
no
Scott and RJ were not likely going to be brought on to do the same thing. RJ is a distributor, Scott is a scorer. Bringing Hamilton to do exactly what Hammons would do but better is recruiting over. I think that is a positive thing to do for a program, but many here (and everywhere) eviscerate Kentucky for doing the same thing. I’m just doing the whole “turn around is fair play” thing.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Hmmm, not totally agree
How about Miami taking LBJ after getting Wade? Aren’t they pretty much doing the same thing? (Fine, not EXACTLY the same as LBJ is bigger and stronger and more of a distributor) Well, obviously they are the pros so maybe there’s a different standard, but I thought you can recruit the same type of players. I mean, Lawson and Hale are both similar in that they are both 6’8 athletic forward. We have Rapheal Davis and we still try to get Gary Harris who is supposedly “better” and playing the same posn (in fact, Davis and RJ are the ones who always tweet and try to get GH to come).
yeah but that is "recruiting over" a player
that is such a sin in some circles. I don’t think its a bad thing but plenty of people throw that at Derek Willis like it is the only place it would happen is Kentucky.
In fact earlier in the thread we had a lengthy discussion about it. If it is such a threatening situation for Willis then the fact that Purdue is trying to recruit Hamilton should deter Hammons from showing up to campus.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Are we really recruiting Hamilton?
Ppl are saying but is that really true?
Honestly I have nothing against UK. Someone has to take one-and-dones and in all fairness Cal has done a good job in terms of the business of it. It’s a win-win for both sides as I’ve been saying.
not that I am aware of
but I’m just pointing out that some are wishing that Purdue would on one hand and threatening Willis for being recruited over with the other.
Not that I’m indicting anyone. EVERY fan base does it, I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of being a fan of college sports.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Oh, I *LOVE* pointing out hypocrisy
That’s what I do best, and ppl get VERY irritated. Fans are like that. They always have double standard. They are VERY biased. They are easy to pick apart. I know it doesn’t win me many friends, but I just get guilty pleasure pointing out the emperor has no clothes.
don't think you want Brenton
he’s a good high school talent but lacks the ceiling that Bryson has. Bryson is a talent with all B1G capabilities. Brenton is good but not great. Don’t think you take an oversign (which is what he’d have to be) on a kid that won’t make a major impact. You have to remember that if Purdue brings anyone else in for 2013, then someone else has to go.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Oh we want Brenton
I am 99 % sure if Willis is not coming we offer Brenton.Would you say Kramer made a major impact.Hell if willis say’s no and we get Brenton it maybe what is best for us.
Brenton sounds good but...
Aren’t we stacked for guards coming in? We need more bigs IMO. Although it would be pretty cool to see opponents confused on which scott to guard. Brenton would be Brysons decoy.
by TheBox on Jan 16, 2012 8:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no not stacked
We loose Hart,Barlow and Byrd. Smotherman at 6’6 now and stephens at 6’6 either could grow a couple of inches then we would be short a guard. Didn’t you go to the game Friday what go you think?
Guards in 2013
Well, already we have 5 guards (Bryson, RJ, TJ, AJ, Davis) sharing 80 minutes at PG/SG, so that’s about 16 min each. We might be able to push Davis to play the 3 spot, but the main issue is Scotts and the three Johnsons are all relatively short and I don’t think it is wise to have three of those five on the court at the same time lest we go really small.
Maybe he will be like Gary Harris
…go out of state and choose the third party. Then he won’t have to worry about the backlash of picking UL or UK or vice-versa. Even though he’d obviously get a lot of crap for going out of state, he might feel its the easy way out.
So we're MSU in that scenario?
I like it. No, I LOVE it.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Jan 16, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Problem with that...
The family isn’t originally from Kentucky. There isn’t an inherent loyalty to the state like there likely was for Harris.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
by JustAJ on Jan 16, 2012 3:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why did Gary Harris get no pressure to stay in-state
…when the Willis, not even from KY, gets all the pressure?
Harris did
he got a ton of pressure to stay in state, he made the smart decision and chose the program that was, in my opinion, best for him. Not so sure Willis is willing to take on a similar pressure. Harris knew and received/receiving backlash for going to MSU. Isn’t that the reason that Willis decommited in the first place?
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Kids will be kids.
He will receive backlash where ever he goes. I think IU probably will give him the least since they got into the recruiting game with Willis kind of late compared to the other three schools he is considering. He goes to UK/UofL and the fans of the other will bash him and Purdue fans will hate his guts. He picks Purdue and the other two bash him for going out of state.
I really don’t get either. He is just a kid and has the right to go where he thinks he will be happy. If you ignore the part where they are playing basketball, his situation is no different than anyone else picking where they want to go to college. It is a hard decision to make and he did the right thing by taking time to reconsider if he wasn’t sure of his choice. I would have obviously preferred he just didn’t commit in the first place to save us from some of this craziness, but what’s done is done.
by herby20 on Jan 16, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
UK Comments
Many of the players stop going to class after their 1st semester, so they’re not eligible to come back and play.
And you guys think the Ky fans would give him a hard time…no way…the recruit around the world. They could care less about where a kid’s from.
His friends probably would though.
He does live in Kentucky after all.
They want the best players but
they would worship a kid from Kentucky, even if he was only the 4th or 5th best recruit in the class.
they worship Darius Miller currently because he's a home grown kid
and Willis would be a similar 3-4 year prospect, but better.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Careful what you wish for..
Willis may have gotten some flack for choosing an out of state school the first time, but once he chooses either ky or ul he is going to get some major hating from the other teams fans, who will be living all around him, not 3 hrs away like Purdue fans.
by TheBox on Jan 16, 2012 8:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I doubted
If that’s even a factor in his decisions he’ll lose some of my respect. I thought he is the kind of person who goes after what he believes in regardless of what others say, just like he made it clear that his parents’ school don’t make any influence in his decisions.
I think it is for another reason.
I firmly believe if both IU or Purdue had a spot open on their teams he would have picked one of them. Harris comes off as a person who wouldn’t want to force another kid out so he could play, and as we all know, Purdue and IU are both full on scholarships already next year.
Rusty Troutman Angle
What happened to that? Not a word of it in this thread. Perhaps the reason the announcement is taking place at the high school is that the pair have decided on a school choice?
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 16, 2012 10:24 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
A lot of people hold these kind of things at their high school.
I wouldn’t put that much stock into that part of it. I do think he probably is leaning toward both Kentucky schools. Although, maybe the reason for deciding to commit somewhere again so early is he realized his original choice was right. We will find out Friday regardless.
Pretty sure that story was misremembered.
FWIW, I read a posting on GBI from a PU fan (trusted) that claimed to have had a conversation with Troutmann’s parents. They said Purdue was not recruiting their son.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Old Boiler
posted some kind of Jack Owens tweet confirmation a few days back.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
To the people of H&R, please listen:
If or when Willis decides against Purdue, PLEASE don’t throw Matt Painter under the bus like you did after we missed on Harris. If he chooses us again, great. But I remember how awful it was after Harris, people were acting like our program was dead in the water.
Just remember the players we already have in the next two classes, and after Painter’s new post-Paintergate resources…what’s coming.
by Jackson Brunner on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 AM EST reply actions
Jordan Ash for one.
An elite guard from Illinois in the 2015 class who is getting coached by Everette Stephens, father of Kendall Stephens. He even had this to say when he visited for the Notre Dame game:
“UNBELIEVABLE. Fans were great, coaches were great, facilities were fantastic. Now that football game.. Lol Nah but #BTFU”
Amen!
And for the record, Painter DID get Willis once, and he did it before any other coaches out there realized. So at the very least, give some props to CMP.
by charlespig on Jan 17, 2012 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My 2 cents on recruiting overall...
I’d love to see top-end, 5* talent come to Purdue year-in, year-out. But you know what I want to see more? Guys with grit, underdogs with something to prove. The people who will work hard, day-in and day-out. Guys who play with a chip on their shoulder, and play with passion. Guys who haven’t been given anything, and don’t think they ever will be.
You know what makes Brees great? He was under-recruited out of HS, and doubted in the Pros, so he worked all that much harder to prove them wrong.
I’d love to see Purdue win a National Championship. But more than that, I want to see players who play Purdue-style basketball, and guys I can root for as human beings, not just as players on the court. I have my doubts about Willis, given his de-commitment. But I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt, since he committed way early.
But all in all, I think Painter brings in not just talented athletes, but hard-workers and kids we can proudly cheer for on and off the court. And to me, that’s more important than their ranking on Rivals or Scout.
by tlm2021 on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
POST OF THE YEAR!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! You said exactly how I felt!
Derrick Williams (#2 pick in the draft) was ranked anywhere between 72 and 120 (kinda like where Rapheal Davis or AJ Hammons) by the rating agency, and he was the least touted as the heralded incoming class at Arizona. I’ve read that in an interview it serves as a motivation for him to work so much harder. I’d like to see that in our kids.
And you are right, it’s more likely the Eric Gordons will choose Ill IU or the likes, whereas we end up with guys like E’Twaun Moore, JaJuan Johnson and Robbie Hummel. That’s fine, I’ll take that any day. This is not sour grape, but a realization of who we are and the style of basketball we play. I can’t say enough how much I agree with tlm2021:
I’d love to see Purdue win a National Championship. But more than that, I want to see players who play Purdue-style basketball, and guys I can root for as human beings, not just as players on the court.
he made a rash decision at the age of 15!
can we please stop questioning the kids character because he wanted to do his homework before making a life altering decision!
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Thank you
Thank you, thank you, thank you for making some sense. Nothing is more true on this board than this statement. All of you throwing stones, did you ever do something in high school that in hindsight you wish you had given more thought? There ya go. Put those stones down. Exhale. The only difference here is that his mistakes are broadcast in the news and they involve 4 emotional, rabid fan bases. Let’s all give the kid a break.
by One of these days on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
You can't just use "being 15" as an excuse forever
In life, there are consequences. You bang a girl at 15 and get her pregnant, sure I can understand why you do it and I can forgive you on that, but there are consequences that you have to live with.
If Willis decommits in a better manner, I think he wouldn’t get as much a bad rap. In a way, he brought his own trouble by doing it over Twitter. At the minimum, it’s a basic human courtesy to call up Painter and let him know in advance. At the minimum, make a public statement how thankful you are to the Purdue coaching staff. These are simple manners that even a 15-year-old should be able to do. Come on, even I am teaching my 3-year-old to when to say thank you and when to apologize.
It’s like LBJ. I don’t blame him for going to Miami. He has every right to do it as a free agent. But the manner he did it – not even telling the Cavs owner until the Decision. Not doing it in person. Hey, the guy paid you millions for 7 yrs and treated you like a king and did everything he can to give you the toys to please you and tolerated every bit of your prima donna. I’d think he deserves at least a personal notification.
On a minor note, a person tends to get more respect if he sticks to his words for once (commit, decommit; make a decision in the fall, make a decision in Jan).
Wow.
Please just stop already. I don’t understand your obsession with this kid, but it’s getting ridiculous. Any chance you get, you take your jabs at him. He said sure to an offer when he was super young, realized it wasn’t right, and chose to do what is absolute best for himself. Good for him.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
Again, agree he is super young, agree he has the right to choose to go elsewhere on what’s best for him. If in Aug just a little courtesy to notify the coaching staff and publicly thank them and I will be the first one to praise his maturity and wish him the best. Let’s just move on.
I agree. You really should move on.
You’re making references to knocking up a chick at 15, and Lebron James’ stupid production of a decision. Really? This is a kid choosing where to go to school. Give me a break.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I Hope
you’re not as hard on your 3 year old as you are on Willis. Yikes!
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Don't worry
I am nothing compared to Tiger Mom :-)
I’ll admit though, as much as I dislike Izzo, I respect his “Players play, tough players win” motto. I just refuse to use excuses.
I disagree with your comparison.
LBJ has millions of dollars in capitol gains, salaries, sponsorship, investments etc.. he’s also 27 years old. His decision, while dickish and definitely bridge burning to the city of cleveland, is still with the confines of business. Going to Miami isnt exactly a life altering decision.
This 15 year old, has no income, no guarantee that he will receive basketball income in the next 4 years, and probably hit puberty 3-4 years ago? His decision is in fact, LIFE altering. could his family have handled it better, yes. But he didnt burn his bridge with us, he didnt openly insult Purdue, he backed out to re-evaluate his life altering choice, and now he’s making another one this week. Regardless of that choice, I forgive him.
by PurdueEnginerd on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Have You Driven in Miami???
always a life altering decision!
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, I never felt tlm2021 was questioning Willis' character
I have my doubts about Willis, given his de-commitment. But I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt, since he committed way early.
The only “negative” thing I find is the statement above, but if anything, it sounds like he is very much aware of his judgement, is very open-minded and willing to give Willis the benefit of doubt. I don’t see how he is questioning Willis’ character. I wonder if you are rushing into judgement here.
He's not the only one.
You’re on some kinda streak for getting flamed around here. It’s getting kind of scary.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 17, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
LOL, thx :-D
I speak my mind. Sometimes it gets me in trouble. Sometimes it draws me closer to others. One way or another, I either learn new lessons or make new friends, or both, so I guess I’ll keep doing that. I welcome criticisms, and pls hold me accountable to my words. I am a man with lots of character flaws, and by you all pointing them out it helps giving me a chance to be a better person. Thank you all.
Great quote from an old psych teacher
Not sure of the source, but good words to live by.
“I never learned anything from a man who agreed with me.”
Your critics can keep that in mind :)
OK, if I go overboard, I apologize
I have nothing against Willis. If he wants to be a Boiler, I welcome him with open arms. If he goes to UK, that’s fine. I am less disappointed with him than GH.
If my words go too far, pls understand that it is a very sensitive topic for me. I firmly believe in “No excuses”. Your action always have consequences and you have to take responsibility. Age is not an excuse. Mistakes are OK. You learn from it, apologize, and move on.
by charlespig on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure that few will disagree with you on the "No excuses" mentality
The problem is, not everyone is raised that way. Especially in this generation of recruits. Check out the book Not Everyone Gets a Trophy. Lots of insights. I’m not saying that you have to accept that behavior, but it sure helps to understand it.
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>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent, thank you!!
I took a look on Amazon, seems really good. Will check it out at the library. I always try to learn and see things from a different perspective. This is awesome, much appreciated.
Agree 100%
Do you know how sweet it would be if we did win a National Championship with this kind of team? I’ve always said I would not trade the vacated wins and titles o$u has for the pride I feel in the way our program is run. Well said.
Having a press conf. shows hes going...
To a non Purdue team. It would be like if a couple devorced then decided to get remarried. They are not going to have another wedding. If he was recommitting to the boilers he wouldn’t make a show of it, IMO.
by TheBox on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
having a press conf. shows he not going to Purdue because why would you have a presser in KY to say your going to Purdue? You’d immediately become irrelevant.
by mrpink51089 on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe because he doesn't feel like traveling to Indiana to have a press conference?
His high school is right there in his home town, it’s familiar to him, etc. I’m fairly sure Anthony Johnson and other out of state recruits did the same or would have if they didn’t have a press conference. I mean, Lebron had The Decision in Connecticut, Not Miami.
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by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 18, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
so assuming willis sticks in ky country
What are the odds that we would add someone to the 2013 class? My guess is we would be done for that class.
by TheBox on Jan 17, 2012 6:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I would say recruit Hamilton Jr
Him and only him. We need another center, and he would be great.
there would likely still be pursuit of the high hanging fruits
attrition happens all the time. Matt Painter would not be smart to be satisfied with the current crop and assume they’ll all be there in two years. The coaching staff will still look to fill that oversign with a high caliber player or some impact glue guys just in case.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I don't expect it to happen
but if he does pick Purdue, a lot of you guys are gonna have to eat some crow and welcome him back. Give the kid a break. He’s in high school for cryin’ out loud. We all make mistakes. This is a huge decision for he and his family and I think it’s safe to say he’s being pulled in no less than 3 different directions by those around him. No matter where he goes, I wish him the best.
by One of these days on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well, seems like Louisville and IU are out now
Looking more and more like UK.
Charles
Where did you hear that Louisville and IU are out?
wow
Thats slightly more encouraging than I thought.
I assumed Purdue was last place… Interesting
by PurdueEnginerd on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I bet...
Purdue is only there with UK as one of the last two for a respect thing, since he already de-committed and probably feels bad about it. Figures make it seem like Purdue was all the way til the end and finally UK edged us out.
by TheBox on Jan 17, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just edged out...
That should be the theme of Purdue recruting when it comes to big name recruits lately. Everyone can put their flamethrowers down, I think I’m more excited than anyone about our current recruiting class(es), and I really don’t think Willis is pivotal to our success. Would I like to have him though? You bet your ass I would.
UK and Purdue are very different
The two remaining schools have very different styles of basketball culture. One can’t really be mistaken one school for another. From what I’ve heard and read, DW’s style is a lot more Purdue than UK. Going from a Purdue commitment to a UK commitment is such a 180… it’s just hard to believe. I would love to have him, but fear that UK’s got the upper hand.
And What Exactly is That Upper Hand?
the opportunity to perhaps never start for your in-state university? the opportunity to never know who your teammates will be on an annual basis? the opportunity to always wonder what 5-star recruit is gonna pull the rug out from you? the opportunity to play for a coach who is one recruiting misstep from a major NCAA investigation? sink or swim in that sea of blue it seems…..
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 17, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, if Purdue is in the final two choices..
I have UK getting him over us, but if that source is true we still have a decent chance of landing him. Either with him or without him, the 2013 class is gonna be great.
Not All Kentucky Folks Sold on Willis
Catch the video of these hometown folk’s comments on Willis. Kentucky fans have gotten so used to the 5-star One and Done’s that Calipari brings in they actually look down on a kid like Willis.
Kentucky fans are douchebags.
Dog bites man!
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 17, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I noticed that.
The one in the UK shirt actually said “I don’t want him” I believe.
A Sea of Blue Blog
Just read UK’s blog side, aseaofblue.com, the fan base doesn’t seem too excited about Willis. Or, just lack of blog volume.
Probably not.
But it makes sense. They want top 15 recruits like Cal has been bringing in, not a 30 or so player.
Never in My Life
to see such a lukewarm response for a 4 star kid on a school’s fan blog. Perhaps this chilliness has filtered down to the young man with the big decision to make?
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 17, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting thought regarding that
I looked on that blog, apparently he is the 3rd best out of 4 power forwards they are recruiting. So maybe he is signing early to make sure he gets a spot or maybe he is going to Purdue because he would be a “second rate” judging there going by their fan’s reactions.
When I looked over there back then, MSU weren't excited about GH either
Too bad that didn’t seem to influence GH.
Well they had an article on him
And pretty much only a few of the 20+ posts actually talked about Derek. Most were about 5 star recruits (specifically Shabazz Muhammad) which Derek is not.
Act like you've been there...
MSU and UK are used to getting top rate talent and don’t freak out when they are said to be in the mix to land one or find out they missed out on one. Purdue had a rough stretch and is just now getting back into the recruiting swing. Many of us (me included) aren’t used to us landing anything besides overlooked 3 star guys (until the ’07 class). We all just need to be patient.
Wow.
Meant to say second rate recruit judging by their reactions. Should have proof read that.
BTFU
Why is everyone Assuming we wont get him.What if he wanted to come here all along?Herby20 just might get it. Things I’ve learned researching this is UK fans don’t want him he has been a Louisville fan his whole life and Pitino is not going to be there. Julius Randle says UK is top on his list. Painter has never given up on him. Jabari Parker has said he is leaning towards UK. That puts two very good recruits and two upper classmen ahead of him. Having a press confrence to say where he is going doesn’t mean anything except it will give him a chance to explain his choice. I don’t have a clue where he is going but until he say’s no he is a PURDUE recruit . One mans trash is another mans treasure. Derek if your reading this we want you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe.
I really think our chances are higher than everyone is saying. I’m thinking UK 60%, Purdue 35%, Louisville 5% (in case the source is wrong). I have a gut feeling we actually have a pretty good chance even considering decommits rarely go back.
I think it's good to keep the expectation low
In situations where we can influence the outcome, we want to keep expectation high due to self-fulfilling prophecy. If you are a player on the bball team and think there is no way in hell you can win, you won’t play hard.
In other situations like the Willis commitment where we as fans here on this msg board have practically no influence, then it’s best to keep expectation low, esp. after what happened with GH. And even if we are wrong on this one and Willis commits to Purdue, I am sure MANY of us will be more than happy to eat our words and admit our mistake. I for sure will be the first one.
I agree
I don’t really have high expectations. I just feel the chance he recommits is higher than what people are saying. I would love to have him but I’d totally be fine if we didn’t get him. I think with what we already have now plus what is committed in the next two years we should be very good. If he comes and is very good that means someone like Hale or Simpson won’t get much playing time and I don’t like that either.
I agree the chance he recommits is higher than what ppl are saying
But I choose to set my expectation to what ppl are saying for now so that I can honestly say “That’s fine, let’s just move on” without any resentment.
If You Go to ASeaofblue
And search Derek Willis there is a post from mid-December that has a Recruiting Big Board. They list Willis’s odds of committing to Kentucky at 15%.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wow
I’d say that is the percentage of Cats fans who wants him there.
I think the majority of UK fans want him there
but they won’t be nearly as excited about him as the would be Shabazz or Bennett or the other 5*s. But give it a year or two, and I guarantee he would be a fan favorite once all the hype settles down and the others move on and he is still there.
I think that's mostly due to his name
“Derek” isn’t flashy enough. I mean, c’mon – Derek or Shabazz? No contest, right? You’d totally want Shabazz. Derek would need to change his name to something far flashier to get some attention from them.
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by sea.of.white on Jan 19, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
It HAS to be uk
If he backed out of his commitment to us before because he was catching so much flak from the native fan bases and louisville is out, why on Earth would he declare again this early if he was leaving the state. If he was going to come to Purdue, he surely would have waited as long as possible so as not to have to go through all the negative talk again. Whatever, we’ll be fine.
The Converse...
the sooner he realized he had wrongly decommitted in the first place the sooner he gets a chance to rectify the mistake. That would reflect a certain level of maturity, don’t you think? I don’t get how the timing is such an issue here. The intensity of recruit decisions are far greater in November than they are now. As we have noticed on the Kentucky blogs, Willis is a blip on their collective radar. Kentucky fans do not share the same love for their native sons like they do in Indiana. Besides, they don’t call Louisville “Kentuckiana” for nothing.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Correct.
Because it’s a little catchier than “Indiucky.”
by One of these days on Jan 17, 2012 7:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The only reason I could see with the early announcement...
if he was going to re-commit to Purdue would be if he was scared that our 1 available(?) scholarship wouldnt be around if he waited… but that is a pretty low probability compared to him just wanting to go to UK.
my theory on the press conf
is that if he is re-committing to Purdue, the point of the press conf is to tell everyone, “Look, I talked to Cal, I talked to Rick, we weren’t for me, now go away.”
It’s a nice thought…..
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>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Jan 19, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it was Cal's request
To make Willis seem like a bigger get than he actually is?
Wouldn’t it be a pissah if he committed to Purdue anyway under those circumstances?
Unlikely, but fun to think about.
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Jimmy Buffet night
Who wouldn’t commit after watching that. Book it!
Ummm...guessing he wasn't there?
Has he been to any Purdue games lately? Would be a good sign if he has.
It was the virgin Margaritas that sealed the deal
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Momma Knows Best!
Payback time for Kyle Macy transferring?
Kyle Macy was an earlier version of Scott Martin
Transferred to KY after Freshman Year at Purdue (in 70’s)
He was 3rd Guard in a 3 Guard rotation for Boilers, and not happy.
Went to Kentucky, did well, and went on to play in NBA for Bulls.
Other 2 Purdue guards: Jerry Sichting (got a ring or 2 with Celtics)
Eugene Parker (now a big-time agent)
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
More Macy
Was Mr. Indiana in 1975 out of Peru High School. One of the great free throw shooters in college basketball history. A first round NBA draft pick. Three time All-American.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 19, 2012 10:16 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
A Little More Macy
from aseaofblue interview from 2009:
kyle macy:
ASOB: What happened at Purdue, why did you leave?
KM: Purdue’s a great school. I still have lots of friends from those days, but I wasn’t happy with the basketball program, particularly the coach. There wasn’t enough discipline in the program, and of course coach Hall believes in discipline, so I thought it was best to leave.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 19, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Coach Hall is the UK coach?
There wasn’t enough discipline in the program, and of course coach Hall believes in discipline
Too Many Guards
“Undisciplined” was just code for wanting to be the #1 lead guard, when Purdue had 2 other very good guards in same freshman class, Knew he would share time for 3 more years.
I think Fred Schaus was our coach then? (came to us from LA Lakers), so it is not like we had a nobody behind the wheel.
What goes around, comes around; we had more talent than playing time for 3 very skilled guards, and now if Willis goes to Kentucky, he possibly will be faced with the same dilemma at PF there.
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
I haven’t heard anything about the style of ball played before Keady’s days.
Not enough discipline… funny to hear that about a Purdue team.
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ESPN Insider this morning
UPDATE: Rumors started to swirl on Twitter last night that 2013 power forward Derek Willis (Mt. Washington, Ky./Bullitt East) is down to Purdue and Kentucky, and that UK is likely to be the school he picks on Friday.
We’ll let you know if we hear anything more definitive between now and then, but as of now there is growing sentiment that the promising power forward will end up with the Wildcats.
Jody Demling of the Courier Journal writes that 2013 power forward Derek Willis (Mt. Washington, Ky./Bullitt East) will make his college decision on Friday — a press conference will be held at 4 p.m. local time at his high school.
Willis, ESPN’s No. 42 recruit in 2013, is set to decide between Indiana, Purdue, Louisville and Kentucky. The 6-foot-9, 220-pound big man originally committed to Purdue, but reopened his recruitment back in August. Even though the Boilermakers are still in the race, some aren’t so optimistic about their standing.
We’ll let you know if we hear anything between now and Friday as to where Willis is likely headed.
by BoilermakerAustin on Jan 18, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions
The funny thing is...
if you set a date to announce in January of your junior year then you already know where you are going. It’s not down to 2 schools, give me a break.
True, but I could see it being down to 4 and him not knowing.
We have no clue who originally reported it was down to UK and Purdue. It seems like it’s a source close to the family, but who really knows. It’s not like he is saying it’s down to two.
I agree with you, but
…if you set a date for your wedding, you damn sure know whom you are gonna married. But strange things happen and some ppl get cold feet and choose otherwise when they were at the altar.
Not that I am saying that’s the case here. Frankly, for Purdue to be the Final Two already exceed my expectation. Or maybe I shouldn’t, coz we are good in finishing second.
From what I understand
Harris was down to Purdue and MSU the day he announced. It would not suprise me one bit if he still hasn’t decided today or tomorrow between us or Kentucky (if the reports are to be believed).
I dont understand
why someone would set a press conference date if he didnt already know, especially when there is a year before he needs to sign? If he wasnt certain, then doesnt setting a date rush his decision, and with the whole rush to commit earlier I would think he wouldnt announce unless he was for sure.
As far as the timing, just like in the stock market, announcing it on Friday (after school) would allow him not to get bombarded and give everyone a couple days to take it in before talking/screaming directly to him. I wouldnt expect him to setup a press conference in West Lafayette because there wouldnt be any secrecy to what that means and thus no need for a press conference.
I still think it is already UK and the whole “deciding between UK and Purdue” is just his nice way of being respectful to PU by making it seem that we were in the hunt til the end.
Eh
Wasn’t his coach one of the people saying he wouldn’t decide on the first day of the signing period (which he in fact did)?
Del Willis also said his son won't decide until next fall
does that mean he doesn’t intimately know Derek’s thought process?
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Del also said his son wasn't decomitting and he did.
That is why I said “from what I understand”. Unless it comes from the mouth of the person who said it, it is just speculation. Both people we are discussing had been wrong about what they had said. So basically, you can’t really trust what either said regarding the recruitment decisions of bothHarris or Derek.
but you're willing to trust reports from other people that aren't the kids coach or father?
If you can’t trust a parent or the main handler of the entire recruiting process, can you trust any report from someone not them? The best thing you’re going to get from it coming directly from the recruit himself is soundbites from coaches and parents. If a coach or parent makes a statement of fact when it is all said and done, I’m likely to believe them over a message board poster.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Lol does it really matter?
He didn’t choose Purdue or IU in the end, so we both wound up losing.
by Boylemaker88 on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't
just stating that not all sources are created equal and some are tough to discredit
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
About what?
BTW, I like TheBox, but don’t you think sometimes we need to think, hmmm, outside TheBox? j/k ;-)
Decision is Made
I have no idea where that is, but no one calls a press conference 4 days out, if they have no idea what their decision is. Especially after his first hesitation step.
I don't doubt a decision is made
I am wonder, however, if he might have a change of heart at the last moment. You know, like those Hollywood drama where the bride decides her true love is her puppy love and not the one she thinks she is gonna marry.
However, I am actually not a big fan of this scenario, coz the movie usually doesn’t show the messy divorce that usually accompanies such impulsive decision.
Like Terrance Jones of Kentucky
He held a press conference with a hat of Kentucky and Washington on a table. When he went to select the hat, he hesitated and picked Washington. 2 days later he changed his mind and ended up at Kentucky.
Jones kind of did the opposite thing as Willis in a way.
If Willis chooses Kentucky, we can assume it’s because he is going in state and staying home. Jone orginally picked Washington because it was close to home (he’s from Portland). Then he realized he really wanted to go to UK.
Oh this is fun
Willis has a press conf tomorrow and announces him going to UK b/c it is close to home. Then two days later, he changes his mind and commits to Purdue. Not that it fits in with the character, but it will even out things for Jones and Kyle Macy in one shot. Poetic justice, what goes around comes around.
He should put on the Kentucky cap and go through the whole thing
and at the very end of the press conference say “I’m just kidding, I’m going to Purdue.”
haha thats asking for trouble lol
but would be one of the coolest things ever
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 19, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
New theory altogether
He has no idea where he’s going. He’s tired of the media frenzy, tired of the twitter, just wants it over with. Friday at 4 pm he unveils a specially made dart board (took 4 days to have it made), with 59% UK, 35% Purdue, 10% UL, and 1% IU. Then, in one dramatic blind folded throw, his college decision is made. That would make good television.
Sad math fail.
Or is it? I said it was a “specially made” dart board didn’t I? So special, it defies the laws of mathematics. You figure it out.
And he throws the dart and hit nothing on the board
…so he decides to reopen the process to all schools, not just those 4 :-)
And in the end he chooses Indiana St.
to create his own legacy thinking he will become the first legend to ever play there only to find out later he needs to decommit and choose Evansville.
I Appreciate
The 105% effort
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 19, 2012 9:51 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We won't want him for sure, yeah
All our players give 110%.
by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing New Here...
the multiple sources angle doesn’t surprise me. the only interesting tidbit to me was his answer to what he looks for in a program and he said Head Coach. We’ll see which Head Coach he favors.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 19, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
That's an answer that doesn't answer anything
If I am the reporter I’d follow up with what kind of qualities in a head coach he looks for, or what is his ideal head coach. It’s like a guy walks in looking to buy a car and you ask him what is he looking for and he just says “good cars” you just don’t stop there.
haha, as I skimmed through this quickly
I thought it was going to say: “Do you like a coach that makes you feel like you are shopping for a used car?” Then Cal is your man.
Car salesman?
I thought he dropped IU from the list…?
Calipari = car salesman
Crean = Used car salesman
Calipari is better coach
They may both be used-car salesman, but lucky for KY, Cal can actually coach.
It is interesting to hear my IU friends already chanting the “Wait until Next Year” mantra, and then forecasting next years line-up and another undefeated season. Perfect timing, about 7 games into the conference schedule. This is becoming a fun annual tradition.
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I haven't heard anyone saying undefeated season,
but I don’t blame them for being excited.
Jeff Pearlman
an SI.com writer got into it the other day regarding his tweet that he would rather not send his kid to college than have him play for John Calipari. They get into it on seaofblue as well.
Purdue his Best Choice
If Willis is not a one and done, first round potential player, then you have to believe that Purdue would be the best place for him to develop his game. I have a feeling this kid will get screwed over at Kentucky (more than once if he stays 4 years).
Unfortunately, high schoolers rarely make choices based on sound reasoning. Let’s hope he defers to his elders, and listens to his Mom.
Hey AJ
Just out of curiosity, where do you want to see Willis go. ASSUMING IU is out of it (which all indications are that this is true). Then would you rather see him go to Purdue or UK as a rival of both schools. Secondly, where do you think the better choice for him personally is? As in, where do you think he is more likely to reach his max potential?
rather him at UK
then we see him once a year and it doesn’t really impact the big picture all that much. He’s a 3-4 year player so playing him 3-4 times instead of 6-8 would be preferable.
He’s likely to be best at Kentucky. Most likely to be overshadowed there as well, but with Kentucky you know he’s going to have the best of the best when it comes to teammates. AND I don’t care what people think about his recruiting methods, Calipari is a hell of a coach. He’s fantastic at getting a group of superstars to play like a disciplined basketball team 90% of the time. He’d be a perfect NBA coaching candidate.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Yup...
he was great as an NBA Coach: .391 winning %.
John Calipari has grown a ton as a coach since then
go watch his old college teams at UMass, yeesh. He’s a much much better coach now than when he was 38.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Cal is a hell of a recruiter. I'm not sure I buy the disciplined basketball team thing, though.
The obvious counter-example is DeMarcus Cousins, although he is probably beyond help. Moreover, I’ve always gotten the impression that his disciplined system is just a slasher at PG, a stray shooter, and a lot of rebounding bigs, with an occaisional post-up guy like Cousins.
He doesn’t seem to have a system like Izzo’s fast break glass-crashers or the motion of Keady/Painter/Weber or Boeheim’s zone.
In essence, I feel like he operates more like a GM than a system coach, where he acquires a balanced/full roster and lets them win him games, instead of looking for parts to fit a specific plan. Not that that’s bad, just my take on his philosophy.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 19, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
It’s unquestioned that DeMarcus Cousins played his best, most undisciplined ball under Coach Cal. Cal provoked the proper ratio of fear and respect out of Cousins, which allowed him to play at such a high level. When the Kings coach was fired, there were people who seriously wondered if Sacramento would go after Cal, the theory being he’s the only guy who could get the most out of Cousins. I wouldn’t question whether or not his teams are disciplined; the Wall/Cousins year ended with 6 UK players (including, if I remember correctly, five freshmen) drafted, which is unbelievable. What I would question is whether this approach of essentially refreshing your team every year is enough to win a championship. So far he hasn’t proved that it has.
Cal’s system is the dribble-drive, which relies on a highly skilled point guard (which he does specifically recruit for) and a bunch of athletic and versatile wings (commonly known as “four around one”, where the one is a true post player used for screening and grabbing rebounds). That system is not as tight as some programs – given that there are no set plays, rather it relies on its PG to make quick decisions based on what the defense offers. It’s more complicated that just roll the ball out and let ‘em play. In fact, the next time Purdue you’ll see elements of DDM (Dribble-Drive-Motion).
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Jan 19, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
whoops - correction
I meant to say: “It’s unquestioned that DeMarcus Cousins played his best, most disciplined ball under Coach Cal.”
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Jan 19, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I get that the DDM is something of a system.
It is somewhat of a controlled chaos system, though, one that is highly reliant on the vision and penetration of the PG. I guess when I hear “system” I think Wisconsin, where the specific movements are choreographed, instead of UK, where the system is drive and dish to an open man, or drive again. It’s almost to basic to really qualify as a “system” per se, as every system involves the drive somehow.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 19, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
dribble drive 4 out 1 in is taking college basketball by storm
IU does a lot of it now. Unfortunately we lack the talented PG. We have a guy that thinks better than he can do.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
That's kinda an unreasonable high bar to judge
What I would question is whether this approach of essentially refreshing your team every year is enough to win a championship. So far he hasn’t proved that it has.
I mean, if they can be a consistent threat to FF (and actually got there), that means something, right? As a devil’s advocate, one may also question whether Keady’s or Painter’s hard-nose defense approach is enough to even make it to a FF.
yeah you're right
I guess the point I was trying to make, in a ham-fisted way, is that continuity is the key to success in all sports. if 80% of your starting lineup changes every year, you could argue that you’re in a tough position trying to gel everything in time to be a serious N.C. contender. But as you pointed out, being a consistent FF thread does mean something, and it’s not unreasonable to suggest that soon he’ll break through and win.
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Jan 20, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
on this subject
who do you guys think is going to win it all this year?
UNC
Kentucky
Syracuse
Other
I really think UK might do it this year.
No clue but I would take those three against the field if I had the chance.
I think Syracuse is actually underrated. I know, I know, they are number one, but I think that a lot of people have the perception that they are number one by default. They are so good. I really think they could go undefeated in the big east, due to it being down this year. Once Kentucky’s freshmen have a little more time to gel, they will be scary. Teague is improving. Anthony Davis is unreal. He has a 7’6" wingspan and is one of the best shot blockers the college game has ever seen. UNC is so talented and deep.
Butler gets it down
3rd time is a charm. Will make that Dec. loss look better?
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Keady's/Painter's Defense not enough
As much as it pains me to say it, to consistently (or ever) get to FF, we need to combine that defense with some NBA level talent (in qty of 3 or 4).
Watched UNC last night, and while they may or may not make FF this year, they have at least 5-6 guys that will spend some time on NBA teams.
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
UNC is right where they want to be.
They are a very good team. Underrated at #8 if you ask me. But they have been in this exact position before. They start the season as #1, lose a few early, fly under the radar all season (under the radar meaning ranked 5-15) and go on a tear in the tourney.
Match-up Nightmare
I wouldn’t want to play them in tourney.
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
He did a hell of a job at UMass
And we all know the Northeast is an absolute hotbed of college athletes with UMass being a perennial powerhouse.
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his 4 out 1 in dribble drive can look chaotic
but I’ve watched several of his coaching DVDs so a lot of it makes sense to me. He coaches based on basketball IQ. If you notice a lot of his players are extremely gifted athletically but also have high basketball IQs. If you know how to think basketball he’ll definitely get you to play it at a high level.
As for his recruiting process, I think that’s what keeps him from a NC. Needs a couple more multi-year players.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I completely agree about the multi-year players.
If he would recruit the guys rated 25-75 more heavily, I think it would reap rewards.
I've Been Checking Out Kentucky Recruiting Sites
Calipari goes after so many 5 star players that the fanbase has become so spoiled that a guy like Willis is simply not attractive enough for some of them.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kentucky 2012 Targets
Interesting article. Kentucky recruiting is so fluid, you just can’t be sure who will pop into their spotlight. Not sure it’s in Willis’ best interests to go to Kentucky, simply because it’s very difficult to predict anything in regards to what the roster may be at any future point. There’s five non-commits in Scout.com’s top 21 and I could see Kentucky having their choice out of the 5 of them. And 3 of them are PF/C and Pollard could easily develop into a PF, if he really isn’t one already. Willis could easily get buried.
what quality writing:
“It’s a startling sight when Bullitt East’s 6-foot-9 junior Derek Willis, with a wingspan of a pterodactyl, swoops down the basketball court.”
Selection suggestion
I’m really hoping he makes his choice a la Lee Corso. I want him to talk up UK, talk about their great tradition and fanbase, and then put on a Purdue Pete head! Maybe drop in one “Ah, Fuck it” just to honor the original.
Hahahahahaha
Derek talks about all the tradition and success of UK, talks A LOT about growing up in Kentucky and representing his home state and wanting to play for Calipari and that everyone wants him to go there…..then he says “Ah, Fuck it” and says he’s coming to Purdue to win a Big Ten Title
***National title
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
We Need a "Pterodactyl!"
He would be the “MAN” at Purdue. Painter would see that the offense flowed through him. He would be surrounded by tough, smart, team oriented players. Somewhere along the way, he would learn defense, and win a Big Ten and NCAA title or two.
That said, he will probably go to KY. Everyone does.
Fish
I just don’t understand why this kid would not want to be a big fish in a little pond rather than going to KY where he would be a minnow in an ocean. He is going to get lost at the end of the bench there whereas at Purdue he could be the heart of the team with plenty other good ball players around him to get us to the FF and possibly a national championship or two.
KIDS
High School kids are not known for their long-range decision making ability. They live in the moment.
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt.
Willis realizes where he stands against other 2013 recruits. He could assume he will be the next go-to-guy at Kentucky and reach the NBA in a few years. I’m sure Calipari is selling a perfect situation. He dominates against his level of competition and assumes he can do the same at the D1 level. Every highlight of Willis on the internet is him against 6’4" players.
I don’t see a scenario where a Kentucky highschool basketball player calls a press conference to decide on a school and selects a out of state school. If he were to select IU or Purdue, I could seem him doing so without an official announcement so it doesn’t stur up the people in Kentucky.
You Mean Like the 3-Heat?
Yeah, like Lebron’s big TV special. People in Cleveland just loved it.
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kentucky Recruit's Men
Kentucky’s whole scheme seems predicated on guys that are fully developed, and just bringing them in for a one or two year tune-up, while giving them a chance to display their talents.
The most impressive thing about Painter, is that if you look at our guys that have been in the system for 4 years; they improve EVERY year, in almost EVERY category (and that includes minutes of playing time). It is amazing when you look at the 4 yr stat lines of ET and JJ. I seriously doubt there are many coaches who can show this ability to nurture and develop.
Hummel may be an exception, but he obviously has had to make a whole series of adjustments this year.
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
I don’t think Willis is a 1 or 2 year guy whose going to polish up his skills. He will not get the playing time at Kentucky in his first two years that he would at Purdue.
Promises, Promises
Wouldn’t it be interested to know what Calipari has told him to expect?
by Boilers2Indy on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions

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