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Tasty Marinara Previews Purdue-Wisconsin

The Badgers only play Purdue once this year, and that game comes tonight at Mackey Arena. The Badgers have struggled over the last four decades in West Lafayette, earning just one victory since 1972. That win came during Gene Keady's final season, and their 1-3 start has fans in Madison concerned about the Badgers.

The Wisconsin basketball blog Hoops Marinara, now an offshoot of Bucky's Fifth Quarter, was kind enough to do a Q&A with me as a preview of tonight's 7 p.m. game on ESPN.

T-Mill: Since 1972 Mackey Arena has been a house of horrors for Wisconsin. They have one win in the last 40 years. What gives?

Phil: An equally amazing stat is that Wisconsin did not beat Purdue even once during the 1980s. The Badgers only beat the Hoosiers once in that decade too. So as you can see, most of the problem is because for more than half of that 40-year span, the Badger program pretty much stunk in general. Wisconsin's record during that time in games played inside Indiana state borders is 10-65, compared to a 48-111 overall record against Indiana-based schools. It's clear the state of Indiana put some kind of hex on the Badgers. Don't worry about us though, we comfort ourselves by remembering UW's Elite Eight win over Gene Keady in 2000.

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Nowadays, Bo Ryan is 1-7 at Purdue, but the Boilers are only 2-6 against him in Madison ... so about even. I think most Badgers fans respect Matt Painter more than any other competing coach in the Big Ten because of his emphasis on toughness and defense, which mirrors some of what Ryan and Dick Bennett built at UW. And that gives Purdue an edge because it can "out-Badger the Badgers" using a better talent base.

T-Mill: What has happened to Wisconsin so far and why are they suddenly vulnerable in Madison?

Phil: Coach Ryan would have you believe Jared Berggren is a 40 ppg scorer in practice and the team just needs to hit shots. That's the brutal truth to some extent. The main problem, however, is that the margin for error is so small right now due to a few mistakes/bad luck in recruiting from 2008-10. The team is short on playmakers, which puts a lot a pressure on Jordan Taylor. Without Jon Leuer to relieve that defensive attention, Taylor's supporting cast is simply too inconsistent.

It's not hard to see that the Big Ten is getting stronger while Wisconsin has remained consistently "good." Some people think fans have become accustomed to success in Madison, and thus the crowds have lacked the liveliness of yesteryear. Their consecutive sellout streak ended earlier this season. Though the Kohl Center probably isn't as noisy or intimidating as it used to be, that makes little difference compared to the players on the floor.

T-Mill: Given that the Badgers already have three losses, do you see them playing the role of spoiler the rest of the way as a team not in the title race, but definitely one that is dangerous?

Phil: The term spoiler to me implies a team that has nothing else to play for, which is certainly not true. You're right, a conference title just isn't in the cards this season, but Wisconsin's focus going forward should be on putting together the best possible tournament resume possible. There are still plenty of chances for quality wins out there during Big Ten play. Plus, I don't think a 1-3 or 1-4 start changes the way any coach will approach playing Wisconsin. So I expect the same type of battles we see every year, just with the Kohl Center not being the automatic win it used to be.

T-Mill: What are Wisconsin's strengths this year aside from Jordan Taylor?

Phil: Defense. The trademark avoidance of turnovers and emphasis on defensive rebounding are still there too. The team has a couple of versatile forwards in Mike Bruesewitz and Ryan Evans that can guard larger or smaller opponents. To a man, the roster is not blessed with quickness, but the Badgers are adept at help defense. The starters average 3.4 years in the program (1 SO, 1 JR, 2 RS JR, 1 SR), so it has been drilled into them. Believe it or not, I still think 3-point shooting could still wind up being a strength, just because a number of guys on the team can shoot it. on the team can hit them. You'd also get a lot of disagreement on whether Taylor has even been a strength. He's has looked very tentative. Taylor is doing worse in every statistical category except for steals compared to last season and is shooting under 40%.

T-Mill: What is Wisconsin missing from being a typical Wisconsin team?

Phil: Depth is one concern. Sophomore sub Ben Brust started strong, which covered up the fact that this is one of UW's weakest benches in recent memory. Freshman Frank Kaminsky surprised a lot of folks by playing right away, but he is the only big man off the bench really. Senior Rob Wilson has spent more time in the doghouse than on the court and another freshman guard (Traevon Jackson) is the ninth man. As I alluded to with the recruiting concerns, a consistent number two scoring option is really non-existent. Ryan Evans is getting there, but neither he nor Jared Berggren are there yet. Offensive aggressiveness is another huge problem. The Bruesewitz we saw shine in last year's NCAA tournament has been non-existent. Brust and Evans seem to shoot without any conscience, but no one takes the ball to the rim -- Taylor included. No one is drawing fouls with any regularity. The Badgers have been shooting more 3-pointers than free throws for several years now, but this season Wisconsin ranks 321st out of 345 teams in free throws attempts per field goal attempt.

T-Mill: What is it about Purdue that scares you going into Thursday?

Phil: Several things. I fear a slow start in a hostile environment. Wisconsin needs to break out of their shooting slump early to avoid any "here we go again" syndrome. I am worried about stopping dribble penetration by any of the quicker Purdue guards. Similarly, LewJack also gives Jordan Taylor fits defensively because he is tenacious and strong. Having to watch Ryne Smith hit 3s and then mean mug for two hours scares me too. (No offense, he's just the Boiler that irks me the most. It's an honor -- ask Brian Cardinal.)

T-Mill: What is the deal with the clocks at the Kohl Center?

Phil: Daktronics told the university the delay between clock controls and the stadium's "ribbon" display happens more often than we think but is rarely noticed, as if that should make everyone feel better. Personally I think the whole thing was overblown. Everyone should know the clock on the floor is going to take precedence. Had they synched things up earlier, the Badgers still would have lost.

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nice insight from another team's fan

For some reason I love it when he says,

Having to watch Ryne Smith hit 3s and then mean mug for two hours scares me too. (No offense, he’s just the Boiler that irks me the most. It’s an honor — ask Brian Cardinal.)

by Boiler00 on Jan 12, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

Ryne

I’ve heard that before…even Purdue fans think he’s kind of ridiculous.

by Kodiak33 on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

x2

If he doesn’t like Ryne hitting 3, we can ask the Byrd man to do that. (Although given so much exposure to DJ Byrd recently, I actually expect a poor game from him … hopefully someone else steps up)

by charlespig on Jan 12, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally I love his emotional leadership

When Kramer graduated it left a void that someone needed to step up and fill. JJ and EM didn’t have the personality to do it so Smith stepped up and grabbed it and has owned it since. On top of that he doesn’t get super pumped when he hits a big shot but instead when he draws a charge or makes a play on defensive. That fellow Boilermakers is Purdue Basketball.

by MNBoiler on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen, you nail it!
he doesn’t get super pumped when he hits a big shot but instead when he draws a charge or makes a play on defensive. That fellow Boilermakers is Purdue Basketball.

by charlespig on Jan 12, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not his emotions after a three or after he takes a charge.

It’s the way he holds his head up and holds his arms out like he’s the best player to ever walk to the earth that drives me insane.

by Bloomington.Boiler on Jan 12, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

TMill

These posts are always great from the opposing side, how often do you get interviewed by the other blogs?

by Kodiak33 on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

Quite a bit

usually whenever there is one here it is because I do one for them.

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog

by BoilerTMill on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think its going to be a tough game

Even with them not winning much here, I think the fact that they are starting 1-3 makes this game a must win for them. I am guessing they are close to panic mode right now and will fight the entire 40 minutes.

by TheBox on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

x2, I REALLY hope I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling on this one

Wisky is in desperate mode. They remind me of us @ Ill 2 yrs ago (the “John Hart” game). We just lost 3 in a row that year after winning the first 15 and everyone was expecting greatness. Wisky is in a very similar situation.

I hope we jump out to a strong lead tonight (much like what Illinois did to us that year), and that Wisky don’t have a “John Hart” to get them back in the game.

by charlespig on Jan 12, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Must Win

This is one of the games we absolutely must win.

To be considered anything of a success this year, we need to hold the court at home. A loss at home, and to the Wisc team that seems to be struggling would most likely cement our status in the lower half of the big 10.

by AustinP0027 on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Great interviews on both sides.

Here’s to both teams playing up to their potential—enough so that, say, home-court is the deciding advantage.

by Beavis Beefcake on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

I see two possible outcomes.

Purdue keeps Wisconsin at arms length all game. Home court advantage, solid defense, and adequate offense provide for another win.

Taylor has a great game…. carves up our defense and dishes out for open jump shots. I hope I’m wrong but it happens time and time again with quick guards.

by Espn8TheOcho on Jan 12, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry, am I misunderstanding sth?

A basketball game is either won or lost. Are you saying you are ruling out the possibility of a tie?

by charlespig on Jan 12, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sarcasm much?

We will struggle if we can’t stay in front of him and have to collapse on him as he drives by our guards for easy outs.

by Espn8TheOcho on Jan 12, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I've changed my game outcome prediction.

As charlespig has brought to my attention the possibility of a tie. The game stays within 2 or 3 points of each other as the teams match each others shots all game. The game ends in a tie with as TJ sinks 3 free throws as time expires.

by Espn8TheOcho on Jan 12, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, I think that is a much more accurate prediction

…although it probably means apocalypse if it happens.

by charlespig on Jan 12, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

is it bad that I was less concerned with the fact that Terone was making 3 free throws,

and more concerned with the fact that in your scenario the clock is running while he’s shooting them? :) (or at least you could make the argument that it sounded that way)

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 12, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't trying to predict.

TJ could have been fouled shooting a last second 3 =).

I wasn’t even trying to make a prediction. I was saying that Purdue gives us different efforts all the time. As seen in the Penn St. and Illinois games. I think we either dominate from start to finish by keeping Taylor in front of us, or we will lose as we collapse on him for easy dishes. Is that thought not justified? I’ve watched every game but our last one (and the one that BTN denied us). I was able to listen to it on Sirius though. The inconsistency is driving me loony.

by Espn8TheOcho on Jan 12, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Is he talking about Purdue or Wisky?

Does he mean Robbie Hummel when he says Jordan Taylor, and JaJuan Johnson when he says Jon Leuer?

The main problem, however, is that the margin for error is so small right now due to a few mistakes/bad luck in recruiting from 2008-10. The team is short on playmakers, which puts a lot a pressure on Jordan Taylor. Without Jon Leuer to relieve that defensive attention, Taylor’s supporting cast is simply too inconsistent.

by charlespig on Jan 12, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

No, he means Wisky.

They have had recruiting woes as bad or worse than us the last few years. They grabbed a forward for next year who is supposed to be very good though.

As I predicted earlier this year, Wisky has a lot more issues with depth than we do. Jordan Taylor has no one to take attention from him and no one to score. They had to shoot amazingly well in the beginning of the season to keep up with other teams.

by herby20 on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think.

He was referring to our struggles being similar.

by Espn8TheOcho on Jan 12, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, thx

After all, Painter seems to be a big fan of Bo Ryan and model us after him.

by charlespig on Jan 12, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This should be an interesting game.

I’m rooting for UW as I would like Purdue to have another loss before they come to the Bres next Saturday. I’d like for the Spartans to have a liitle more breathing room as the season progresses (and we go to UM before the Boilers come in).

I thought this quote was a little funny:

Badgers fans respect Matt Painter more than any other competing coach in the Big Ten because of his emphasis on toughness and defense

Being that there is a certain coach who has the motto PP-TPW as his central coaching theme. (Players Play – Tough Players Win).

Good luck to both squads.

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 12, 2012 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

let it go man...

he admitted he was wrong… we proved him wrong…. plus football season is over.

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 12, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He's said he doesn't like Purdue

I wasn’t even referring to the prediction

by chops1221 on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, which team was in the top 20 for adjusted defense for 5 straight seasons?

It was a school who has a famous sign in front of the student section saying “Defense lives here”. They also keep count of every turnover they force. The same school gives praise for whoever takes the most charges during the season.

Hint: It’s not Michigan State.

by herby20 on Jan 12, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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