Offer to Willis's best bud for real Jack Owens
by oldboiler52 on Jan 11, 2012 2:11 PM EST
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I have been trying to pin this thing down.I found Jack Owens on Rusty Troutmans Twitter listed as someone he is following.Several other tweets from people asking why he would go to Purdue rather than Lousiville.Also why is he having private tweets with Basil Smotherman.I know Basil has been Tweeting Derek none stop for along time but the Rusty thing is recent.This kid Troutman is a player I hope to put up some video's on him soon but check out this link for now ww2.bullittschools.org the thing with Owens is twitter.com #!/rustytroutman/list. Game on !!!!! Or hay some one tweet him and just ask whats going on.
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well you should know
Guess who Jack follows how about our very own JACKSON BRUNNER this must have come as a shock to you.Why didn’t you say you were best buds jackson?
Bettin on the come?
I wonder if Painter is anticipating some natural attrition (transfer) by 2013? If that’s the case, the most likely candidate would be AJ. IMO.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 11, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions
AJ Hammons? Or Anthony Johnson?
(and what makes you think so?)
I'm thinking he meant Johnson
And I don’t know. I think Johnson is just having freshman frustrations if anything. He’s a known hothead, so how he acts sometimes on the court may not be indicative of his general feelings.
Anthony Johnson
Pure speculation, but something would have to open up for us to bring Willis and his buddy. Troutmann is a 2 guard, AJ is a 2 guard. Aj has displayed frustration already and, lately, his PT is down. Of course we could have another decommit in 2013, but I certainly don’t want to see that.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 11, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
We've been pretty stable
As a program, but that’s partially because the people coming in have pretty much known their role. I think the next few years we will see more turnover than just what happened with Scott Martin (which was about 4 years ago right?). Someone you don’t expect to leave will probably leave. It happens.
I disagree
Maybe it’s b/c I like AJ, I don’t wanna see this happen.
AJ is in a slump now, and no doubt he is frustrated, but everyone goes through periods like this. DJ Byrd was in a slump early on too. You can’t just run away and quit every time you are in a slump. AJ is a tough kid and I see him fighting through it instead of being a coward and run away from it.
AJ red-shirted a year. There is “investment” in the program already and I don’t see him leave. Plus, I get the sense that he really looks up to Robbie, and I think he will step up big time to make Robbie proud.
So who IS leaving?
Based on the premise of this thread, someone has to go. If you don’t agree on AJ, who then?
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
x2, that'll be my guess
Although my first preference is for him to join the Boilers, by himself.
B.S.
The title serves two purposes. One, this is just speculation, and it may just be all B.S. in the end if no offer was made.
Second, if you are based on the “premise on this thread” that someone HAS TO leave, then according to the content of this thread, it could be Basil Smotherman (B.S.) who will go (prep) for all we know. Maybe that’s why they are tweeting so much?
In any case, while AJ is struggling now, I still stand by my earlier assessment that if he stayed for 4 yrs with us, he is all-B1G caliber by his senior season. Mark my words. If you throw him under the bus now, you’ll really regret it.
No "under the bus throwing" intended.
I happen to agree with you on AJ. I think he’s going to be stud for us down the line. I simply was attempting to figure out how bringing in Willis and Troutmans could work. Of course, the most likely scenario is that neither Willis or his bud end up Boilers but the subject discussion implied this possibility. Smotherman to prep school is a viable alternative and something I hadn’t considered.
by Hummel's figurines on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Understood, my apology
And I didn’t mean to suggest you of throwing AJ under the bus. Sorry, the “you” in my statement was intended more as a generic “you” (i.e. anyone), not you Hummel’s figurines in particular.
in an anonymous poll by ESPN of 25 of the top 100 seniors in this coming class
they were asked how many years is a scholarship good for. 19 said one year, 5 said four years and one said three.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Interesting
I can understand 1 or 4, but who would say 3?
Dont have to be smart
just play ball
by jack'sIUdisdain on Jan 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is that a large portion of the kids figured the question was about how long they;d be in school. They all think they are leaving early for the NBA.
by Ray Williams? on Jan 12, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmmm....
I would bet on Marcius and/or Hammons. It seems to me that he has had problems in school and it may now be a possibility that he could be a non qualifier.
source?
b/c you’re the only one i’ve seen who has questioned AJ’s academics. in fact, during his recruitment he mentioned a strong academic program as a factor in his decision, and i remember an a Marquette blog (can’t find the link now) cited his good academics as an attractive feature.
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Jan 11, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
That's good to hear
I am probably biased, but I thought the players at Oak Hill don’t care about academics at all.
(I live in NYC, and someone once asked me if I would go take an exam for some SJ bball player, so I am under the impression that a lot of D1 players don’t care about academics as long as they get the minimum grade)
We've determined that Painter has offered a kid...
because he follows Jack Owens?
well yes
Why else would a 16 year old in KY be following Jack.Jack is the point of contact for all recruits you don’t get to Painter unless you go thru Jack go to any game with a target and you’ll see Jack also when Troutman went to the Louisville game it was him Willis and Jaquin Lyle these three look like a package deal to me but thats just me saying it I have nothing more to back it up. And Lyle was at the same Purdue game as Willis. Where there is Jack there is fire bank on it.
Perhaps he's met Owens
But where is there any evidence to suggest an offer has been made
A tweet by Rusty states:
“Always be humble and hungry.. When no body gives you anything”
or maybe just get your buddy to make someone give you something?
Of course! A tweet!
Let’s overanalyze it and insult a high school kid! Good work, TheBox. I expected nothing less.
by Jackson Brunner on Jan 11, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Rusty Troutman
I don’t want to speculate on whether we offer him or not or any under the table deal (I’ll be highly disappointed at Painter if there is sth). But, just to get some more info:
1. As oldboiler52 says, Louisville is onto the kid:
http://www.yardbarker.com/college_basketball/articles/louisville_showing_interest_in_rusty_troutman/8824438
2. He is listed as the #8 SG in the state of Kentucky (or #6 in his class)
http://bluegrassrivals.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1355770
3. He is also rated #9 in his class elsewhere:
http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-112126.html
(Interestingly, including Derek Willis, only 3 players are taller than 6’4 in the Top 25 of his class. So I am curious if 1) Willis’ stat is inflated, given there is really no competition in his state just in terms of size, and 2) is it possible pretty much all the good players in KY are PG/SG?
Check Yourselves
Has anyone ever seen Willis play? Seriously. We all get so caught up on rival rankings and espn’s an so forth, BUT HAS ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY SEEN HIM PLAY? And no, youtube doesn’t count. We Purdue fans, should understand that rankings mean nothing. I think Brees was a 3 star. Let’s not get so caught up by the tweets and high school hearsay. And stop for crying out loud, suggesting kids should transfer. Let the Kentucky’s & I.U.‘s of the basketball world act like this. We, the fans are so HUNGRY at Purdue for respect and a national champion that we can’t wait to snatch a scholarship away from a kid. A.J. is a fantastic talent. He might have the best offensive potential on the team. Give him some time, he’ll be fine. And another thing, let’s stop classifying someone as _ 2.0. All of the players or unique in their own right.
Veyr much +1 to the last part
Claiming TJ was Smooge 2.0 and Hale was Hummel 2.0 was not only disrespectful to both Hummel and E’Twaun, but just untrue. They can have similar games but neither of them are good enough. Hummel and Moore are special players that you only see every now and then.
Amen, thank you for restoring sanity!
And stop for crying out loud, suggesting kids should transfer.
Yes, I too am sick of fans suggesting kids to transfer just b/c they are in a temporary slump. Although in this particular case, I think they are speculating who might leave instead of suggesting them to leave. Still, I think it hurts if you are the player and you read (or your friend told you) that you are not appreciated and ppl expect you to leave.
For the record, this is what I said about AJ:
I still stand by my earlier assessment that if he stayed for 4 yrs with us, he is all-B1G caliber by his senior season. Mark my words. If you throw him under the bus now, you’ll really regret it.
let’s stop classifying someone as _ 2.0. All of the players or unique in their own right.
In TMill’s defense, it’s just his optimistic nature and calling someone _2.0 brings excitement. It’s like everyone keep guessing the second-coming of Michael Jordan. Kobe, McGrady, Hill, Carter, Stackhouse, James – all at one point or another be called the heir to his Airness. This is how media works. In a word, hype.
Most of the time, I’m just amused at how these hyped up players get trashed as soon as they have their first struggle. And except for LBJ, very few live up to the hype from the get-go. It took several yrs for Kobe to become an elite player. The ones who had early success (VC) crashed spectacularly and became just a mere mortal. Predicting the trajectory of a player’s career is like predicting the stock market – the stock you think is can’t miss tanks while the stock you never heard of goes to the moon.
So I am not against the hype. I take it as amusement. It is human nature to hype and make comparisons. Just like mutual fund always have a disclaimer “Past returns do not guarantee future results”, I thought there is already an implicit (understood) disclaimer, “Any comparison to the player is just hypothetical, and no players are exactly the same.”
I would never
suggest anyone should transfer. Natural attrition happens though, and Painter is QUITE familiar with it, albeit not as much the last few years. He wants to be more than prepared. IF this guy gets/has an offer….I guarantee it’s conditional (like Hale’s was).
I always wonder how conditional offer works
So when it is reported in ESPN/Rivals that such and such kid had an offer from such and such school, he still may or may have a scholarship, correct? And is it final once he accepts, or his acceptance still not guaranteed him to receive one?
I think the coach
tells them they can’t accept it unless this and this happens, or if this and this happens they can’t accept it. Something along those lines.
Let's all just agree
that Purdue’s current recruiting situation is a very good one. Here we sit talking about shoving kids out the door to make room for the next wave of big talent. The problem being discussed it that we have too many talented players wanting to come to Purdue than we can accomodate. Let’s just be happy for that, as that has not always been the case. I’m confident that Painter and the rest of the staff have a good handle on the situation and wouldn’t be running around making offers they couldn’t back up. Who goes around offering scholarships, only to say, “Nevermind, we don’t have any to give you, my bad.” If they’re making offers, I’m sure they have the schollies to back it up. Whether they were freed up voluntarily or not is up for debate I suppose, but as far as I know none of us work in the Athletic Department, so we’ll probably never know.
The real question is...
Is Willis worth 2 scholarships? Willis would be here at least 2 years, the other kid would be here for 4 years. Is that worth spending 2 scollys on or would it be better to have 2 players that may not be as good as Willis, but still good for probably 8 combined years.
Hell yes he's worth it
Please go watch the games i’ve posted and the Troutman kid is not all bad he would be on the the same level as Bubba Day.But we don’t go 13 deep also I doubt anyone is getting kicked off but prep school for a year is in the works for one of them.I have seen all of them play on the web I rank Bryson Scott #1 and Willis #2 as far as impact coming in.Willis is better than Zeller and look at what he has done for IU.Bryson is on a whole nother level because he does everything better than the next guy.Both are very SPECIAL.
by oldboiler52 on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Willis better than Zeller is absolutely insane
Willis is great and all but he’s a perimeter oriented player who will likely not play in the post much. In a weaker 2013 class than 2011, Willis isn’t a top 20 player.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Do you think IU is still actively pursuing Willis
now that you got another 2013 recruit? Do you guys have the space?
probably will take one more in the class for the oversign
IU has its 13 scholarships filled but as discussed above, things happen. I don’t believe anyone currently is getting “recruited over” but more than likely someone will be unhappy with their place in the organization. Gotta have a backup plan for that. I’d say the most likely candidates in order are Bo Zeigler (Michigan), Beejay Anya (Maryland) and Willis (Kentucky). If it isn’t one of those three then it probably won’t be anyone.
The downside to recruiting so early is that there is nothing to talk about on that front for the next 3 years. They are currently full through 2014 not counting the oversign.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I suppose you are counting Zeller
What is his chances of going pro after this year? Or after his sophomore year?
Maybe after next year, but I doubt it.
Absolutely no way he leaves after this year. He has skill, but he needs so much more weight. JJ gets away with it because he is deceptively strong. I don’t think Cody has that same kind of muscle build that JJ has.
Agree with your conclusion that he isn't leaving after this year
Absolutely no way he leaves after this year.
But I won’t say absolutely no way. I thought they also said “absolutely no way” about that Morris kid from Mich or that Richmond kid from Illinois going pro last year. And you know NBA always wants big men, even guys like BJ Mullens got drafted in the first round.
x2
although the labor dispute was a wild card
Honestly, it was public knowledge Sullinger was going to stay
LONG before the draft deadline was approaching. Darius Morris was good enough to go. He is even contributing some good playing time for a second round pick for the Lakers.
Jereme Richmond though… I have no idea why he went. He had a very lackluster season at Illinois. Though I guess it is a good thing he is gone, because I am fairly sure he got into quite a bit of legal trouble,
after sophomore year at earliest
I’m getting the inclination that he is a 3-4 year player. Either way he will be counted until otherwise. He is the previously stated chances of attrition.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I'm going to agree with you here
as of right now. Doesn’t mean Willis won’t get there by the time his senior year is over. A lot of time to get better.
well for one it is comparing apples and oranges
but I still don’t see him providing the impact for any team that legit post threat does. All Conference big men are just more valuable (see harder to replace) than All Conference anything else.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Oh yeah
totally agree. Again, as of right now, it is completely different. If Willis gets to 7’0 as some speculated, it would be awfully hard for him to not bulk up a bit as time goes on to improve his pro stock, (an inside and outside player).
still would see him as a Kevin Durant type big man
more than a Zeller type post player
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
It's too hard comparing such different playstyles
I also think the “weak” class arguments are a joke. The class with Carmelo was supposed to be one of the best ever, and barely any of them panned out. You can’t tell if they are a great class until after they have hit college or preferably the NBA.
the NBA and college game are two separate monsters
all time great college players usually don’t pan out. It is a different style and game. Christian Laetner and Jimmer Fredette were amazing college players neither did/will likely become anything great in the NBA.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
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