What To Expect When You’re Expecting: The Future Of Purdue Basketball
This fall is the dawning of a new era in Purdue basketball. The Mackey Arena Renovation will be finished. This even includes a new floor after God Himself decided that the old one had seen us suffer enough without a Final Four. Some view the 2011-12 season as a waiting period before the new class of 2012 and 2013 recruits can get on campus to deliver a championship. I refuse to believe that. Instead, I can see this as a transition year that prepares the program for even greater heights. Those heights are simple: The goal each season needs to be a Big Ten championship and a Final Four, both of which we will achieve in the next four years.
Remember, the 2006-07 season was a similar year to what we have coming. We were coming off two of the worst seasons in school history, but the return of David Teague and Carl Landry from injury (they were the first to be sacrificed to the ACL-hating god). Saw us return to the NCAA Tournament. JaJuan Johnson, E`Twaun Moore, Robbie Hummel, and Chris Kramer took us to the next step by hanging two more Big Ten banners. While three of those four will be gone next year, I think we can have a surprising amount of success before the "We Got next" classes arrive. We're entering 2011-12 as a transition year like 2006-07, but in a much better position to succeed.
2011-12 Projections:
Starters: Hummel, Ryne Smith, Lewis Jackson, Terone Johnson, Travis Carroll
Bench Rotation: Kelsey Barlow, D.J. Byrd, Donnie Hale, Sandi Marcius, Anthony Johnson, Jacob Lawson
The more that I look at this team the more I like it. Sure, we lose the conference Player of the Year and a 2,000 point scorer, but Purdue's best teams have been ones that thrive on unselfish offense and stifling defense. The guard play is going to be solid. When you have a guy like John Hart, who hasn't throw up huge numbers but has still been silently a key player in a handful of victories buried on the bench how can that be a bad thing?
The key will be our interior presence. Carroll and Marcius have to improve this offseason and both Hale and Lawson need to be ready to go from day one. If those four can combine to give us say 15 points and 15 rebounds per night I think we're going to be much better than people expect. I also think that something good has to happen for Robbie Hummel. The kid is one of the most beloved players in school history and one that deserves a happy ending after all he has gone through.
Just close your eyes an imagine this scene: Local hero and Purdue LEGEND Drew Brees giving the Boilers a pep talk in the Superdome locker room as we prepare to play in the Final Four. Sounds crazy, doesn't it. As crazy as, say, Butler and Virginia Commonwealth playing each other in a Final Four, right? I'm not saying it will happen, but that's why the NCAA Tournament is so awesome. Anything can happen.
Honestly, I can see us still competing for a Big Ten championship. We have three quality senior leaders, solid guards, and a chip on our shoulder. There is also no runaway favorite in the conference. Ohio State? Jared Sullinger is good, but how will he perform without Lighty and Diebler? Everyone else the conference loses a lot of key seniors, with the usual suspects (Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan State) still solid, much like us. I think it is going to be a very competitive league, so why not us? Our next team is going to have to thrive on Purdue-style basketball, meaning tough defense, everyone doing the dirty work, and hustle. It won't be the best team of the next few years, but it will be fun to watch if everyone gives it there all. It is a team that can be much better than the sum of its parts.
Projection: Top 3 Big Ten Finish, Sweet 16.
2012-13 Projections:
Starters: TJ, Carroll, Hale, Byrd, Barlow
Bench: AJ, Ronnie Johnson, Lawson, Jay Simpson, Marcius, Hart (if he returns), Rapheal Davis, New Commit X
I am going to like this team for several reasons. First, Hart is a wild card, most likely depending on his minutes this coming season. If he emerges in a role like he did before getting hurt this past year he is a pleasant surprise and a solid senior contributor. If he is buried on the bench I can see him graduating and either forgoing his final year or transferring to get a free year of post-grad work somewhere else.
Second, the young guns are going to have to come in and fight for playing time with some pretty solid older players. I only see good coming from this. Coach Painter will not pre-ordain a starting job for anyone. Those that are established will have to play hard to keep their jobs, and the young studs will have to come in and earn their place. That only makes everyone better. I think guys like Marcius and Carroll can be solid role players by this point, and Marcius especially could be a pleasant surprise by then. No one has his size, and if he wants to be a dirty work/set screens/rebound/putback player then that is EXACTLY what we need and have been missing for some time.
I can see Hale becoming Hummel 2.0, TJ becoming Smooge 2.0, and Barlow emerging as a Kramer 2.0 as long as the fire that Painter lit under his ass is still burning. Can you just imagine Barlow as the evolutionary, more athletic version of Kramer? By this point I think AJ can solidly replace Ryno as the designated sharpshooter. Lawson and Simpson should both be pretty good power forwards, allowing Carroll and Marcius to be our 5's. Ronnie Johnson is an excellent bench point guard, and this is before you get Mitch McGary/AJ Hammons/Gary Harris as your X factor. Now THAT is a team that has the pieces fitting together as a deep contender.
I am big on having a deep bench and 8-10 guys that can contribute unlike Ohio State's ironman philosophy. That is what you need to make a deep run in March, and guys have to be unselfish. Look at what happened to us in March. We had lost Hart and Barlow, ran into a team that could exploit our lack of depth, and we got run off the floor. Depth allows you to be versatile and play any style. That is what the 2012-13 Boilers will have. By the time the 2012 guys get here the program will be in a better place than when the 2007 guys got here, and it is easier to go higher when you start higher.
Projection: Top 3 Big Ten Finish, Sweet 16.
2013-14 Projections:
Starters: 2012 New Commit X (Harris?), Carroll, Hale, RJ, TJ
Bench: Simpson, Davis, AJ, Marcius (if he returns), Lawson, Derek Willis, Kendall Stephens, Bryson Scott, Basil Smotherman
Pardon my language, but Holy Fuckballs does this team look good! Marcius is a wildcard, as he too could be a John Hart by this point and leave as an early graduate and pursue his final year elsewhere in search of a post-grad degree. There is so much depth and talent here that I don't even know where to begin. You're talking at least eight four star players on this roster, with two more (if RJ gets upgraded and certainly 2012 New Commit X will be at least four) possible. Who is winning those recruiting battles now, bitches!
Scott and RJ give you two excellent point guards. TJ, AJ, Stephens, and Davis can flank them as all four-stars in the backcourt, allowing us to play three or even four at any time if we want to go small. If we want to go big, we can throw out Marcius and Carroll as senior bigs, with Hale and Lawson as junior power forwards. Simpson will have a year under him (and he will know the beloved Hanner Perea's moves after practicing with him all year this year. Step 1 in his evil plan was moving to LaLumiere). Smotherman and Willis are mere luxuries at this point. We can go big with Marcius, Carroll, or even the 6'10" Simpson at the 5, Lawson/Willis at the four, and have Hale annihilate people at the three
Oh, and I haven't even slotted in New 2012 Commit X yet. Technically, if we get a guy for 2012 we would be one scholarship over the limit at this point, but that is an easy fix. It can be remedied by a few options:
1. Someone goes to the NBA early, say TJ if he explodes in the next two years
2. Marcius transfers for his 5th year if he doesn't develop, his minutes decrease, and he pursues and education elsewhere for a post-grad degree.
3. One of the 2013 guys (Smotherman?) goes to prep school and reclassifies to 2014.
4. Someone else is unhappy and transfers out.
5. One of the 2013 guys changes his mind.
6. It's unlikely, but we don't get New 2012 Commit X and Painter banks the scholarship.
This is why we don't need to worry just yet. If we get New 2012 Commit X and he signs during the early period with Simpson, Davis, and RJ, this lineup is going to look pretty good. We can play with virtually any combination of talented players and much of the team will have experience at every position too. Sure, IU's beloved 2012 class (which may not even be #1 by the time we're done) will have experience with Jesu-, I mean Cody Zeller being a junior by this point (if he doesn't bolt to the NBA), but Tom Crean has talent right now and is still 3-41 away from Assembly Hall. I am not worried at all.
Projection: Big Ten Champions, Final Four.
2014-15 Projections: It's too far out there to dream just yet, but remember this: The 2015 Final Four is back in Indianapolis and we'll still have at least eight four-star players on the roster.
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future is looking bright
Mr. Harris? Mr. Harris….?
Paging Mr. Harris…..
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry for me, MSU --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycDSLYHJHwo
If player X is Harris or McGary
No way they aren’t starting every year they will be here.
I actually disagree with the 2012-13 starting lineup quite a bit. Sure the older guys will get the chance to start at first, but when your bench has more natural talent then your starting lineup then by the end of the year I wouldn’t be surprised if 4 underclassmen start.
by OldSchoolStyle on Jun 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
was the case with the baby boilers, right?
If I recall correctly, Hummel, JJ, and E’Twuan were starting with several upperclassmen riding the bench.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry for me, MSU --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycDSLYHJHwo
by sea.of.white on Jun 29, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'ts difficult to predict startring 5.
With that much talent, it’s hard to say who will emerge. But I like where you’re going with this. One comment though. I think you’re selling Anthony Johnson short. I know we haven’t seen much of him so it’s hard to predict. But I’m going to do it anyway. I believe he will lead the team in scoring in 2012 and be B10 first team as a Junior. He’s a better shooter and better athlete than Smoooge (not as good a defender). You’ll see what I’m talking about this season.
by Hummel's figurines on Jun 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
Agree
At this point, predicting the starters 2 yrs down the road is almost meaningless. Last year Rob was the expected starter before his injury, and then Bade was projected to be the guy and he didn’t pan out. So if in two shots we can’t predict the starter in two months I don’t know what gives us the confidence to project the starters 2 or 3 yrs down the road – including players we haven’t even seen them play at all!
I sure hope you are right on AJ. He was a real stud when he was a high school frosh/soph, so hopefully he has regained some of his mojo, and be as good as David Teague (that was Painter’s description of him).
Great article T-mill
Like the scenarios. I agree that we’ll see the seniors starting especially on the road, but the talented underclassman will get the most minutes. It’s great to see so much talent coming in. After the 2007 class, besides TJ and LewJack, everyone else on the roster is best suited as a role player. Of course, we haven’t seen AJ yet. Carroll is a solid player, but he is not the most athletically gifted player. He can play smart basketball, but if you don’t have hops or if your name is not Kevin Love, it’s difficult to get rebounds and get up the floor in transition.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Jun 29, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
I predict that in five years I will be dating Hayden Panettiere and be relaxing on my yacht year-round.
We can all be optimistic, right?
Hayden Panettiere is so two years ago.
by Froggr on Jun 29, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
should make her totally availble by then....
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry for me, MSU --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycDSLYHJHwo
by sea.of.white on Jun 29, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is insane
Projecting out NCAA finishes 2 years before those players even sign a LOI. I mean, I can appreciate optimism, but this is just over the top.
by Froggr on Jun 29, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
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I’d hate it if we’re just like the Miami Heat who is predicting and celebrating like a basketball dynasty just b/c they sign some “super-stars” but before they’ve proven anything on the court. Don’t go down that path!
as long as the players don't think this way...
we should be fine… it is the fan’s job to dream… players should play in the moment and not worry about predictions!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Jun 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
OSU's the favorite at the gate
Yes they lose Lighty and Diebler, but in addition to Sullinger they get Buford, Thomas, and Craft back and reload with a new batch of highly touted recruits.
Craft’s going to be a thorn in our sides for 3 more years. He’s a one man full court press.
was watching OSU@PSU from last season on BTN
what is going to happen to Sully in the NBA where the refs aren’t head over heels in love with him? No doubt this man-crush will continue into next season…. “Craft with the entry pass to Sullinger… and we have another foul called….”
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry for me, MSU --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycDSLYHJHwo
by sea.of.white on Jun 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
If Craft is gonna be a one-man full court press, I don’t see why Barlow can’t do the same or even better, esp with his long arms.
Craft, Kramer, Cardinal, even Derrick Williams should be a good reminder why recruit ranking is grossly overrated.
Recruits
Their recruits coming in are VERY good AND, DeShaun Thomas who will most certainly be better, should become one of the premier players in the conference. He is just too good to suck off the bench forever.
i appreciate your enthusiasm
But predicting that we’ll reach a Final Four in 3 years is insane. The fact is we only have two Final Fours in our history, the last one coming in 1980. Our program is rapidly approaching the point where we should be a top-15 team every year (not too unrealistic of a request right?) but we haven’t made it there yet.
Having said all that…I do like reading posts like this because it does get me excited for next season. The future is definitely bright.
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
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Yes, don’t make us the Miami Heat who predicted multiple championships when the franchise has only won once in its entire history!
I strongly support the “Yes, we can” mindset but not the “We’re gonna be preennial FF” hype before we even get to an EE.
difference is...
The players on the heat were making these predictions… Our players just need to keep their heads down and plug away and leave the dreaming to us!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Jun 29, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it sad that when I see EE I think of the Electrical Engineering building
and not the Elite Eight? Bleh.
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BTFU
EE 129
The lecture hall for Comm majors like me!
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I did that on purpose
…as an EE grad and hate it :-p
I love it.
People who are complaining about predictions being too optimistic need to relax. The article is just an opinion. I think if things do play out the way we expect and we have 9ish 4 star or better recruits then I would say we are a probably elite 8 and possible final 4 team each year we have that much talent.
+1 It's fun to guess
And it’s the end of June, so what else is he going to write about?
Amen to that
and there comes a point where we need to start expecting Final Fours. It is the only way to move forward. If we want to be considered an elite team at some point we have to make that leap. Right now we have never been better positioned to do so.
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Fans on a message board “expecting final fours” does not increase Purdue’s FG percentage or result in more wins.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
And expecting 3-15 in the B1G
doesn’t affect that either. So I choose to be optimistic and expect the best!
by OldSchoolStyle on Jun 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1x2
Unbridled optimism is TMill’s M.O. and we love reading it. If this had been published in the IU(Indy) Star it would reflect poorly on Purdue fandom, but this is a Purdue blog. Keep up the mid-summer bball optimism TMill! Now can you get me this hopeful about our football team…?
by PU03 on Jun 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, the future does look bright
However, Purdue fans know not to count your chickens before they hatch.
I am definitely getting excited. When you take a look at that 2013-2014 lineup, it’s hard not to.
Amen to that
> not to count your chickens before they hatch
AJ
I think we’re all going to be very pleased and surprised with AJ. He is more then just a sharpshooter like Smith too, he can actually drive and is athletic enough to become what Smith cannot, an all around great player. I am very excited to see him play this season.
I see him in the starting lineup...
…in the future. Possibly instead of Byrd. I think he a sleeper and will be a difference maker this season.
http://enginerdknows.blogspot.com
by Docjay00 on Jun 29, 2011 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lawson and Hale
Just saw on Purdue’s Official Athletic Site the height and weight for these two.
Donnie Hale: #15 6’8’’ 205 lbs.
Jacob Lawson: #34 6’8’’ 220 lbs.
Really surprised that Lawson measures out that big. Solid Wings.
The best part of the OP
Is the stated fact of TC being 3-41 away from Ass. hall. I love it
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Jun 29, 2011 3:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I only want Purdue to peak during March...
Big Ten Reg Season is precious, and it should be valued. But honestly I want to know that we can win when the pressure is truly on… nothing more nothing less…
To your call once more we rally...
You're putting quite a bit of stock in 'unknown player X'.
What do you think are the realistic odds of getting Harris or McGary? Harris’ chances are maybe as high as 25% and that’s being extremely generous. McGary is about 1%. No one in Indiana will likely get him from everything I’ve read. Those are long odds. Admittedly I don’t know a lot about Hammons. What’s his story?
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jun 29, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
Actually, I'm not
most of lineup projections don’t mention said player because Harris is very different from McGary and Hammons. Even without them we will still have a minimum of eight 4-star recruits in the 2013-14 lineup.
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Ah, I must have overread into the 7+ times
you mentioned New 2012 Commit X. Figured you had him pegged to be your trump card. So I take it even without signing anyone else you’re counting on a Final Four in 2013-14?
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jun 29, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
With that much talent it has to be a goal. I am viewing New Commit X as mostly a bonus right now because I figure we will get someone very good, but since Harris and Hammons (the top two likely) are two different players it is hard to project them.
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I'm counting on it too.
I’m pumped up about our recruits even without the prospect of getting Harris. I kind of feel like the odds of Harris coming to Purdue are ever increasing and may be an opposite situation of what happened with Brendan Dawson. I don’t know if you’ve looked at some updated recruit rankings or don’t really care but some of them are ranked pretty high, namely Derek Willis. On ESPN he’s a 96 grade which is the same as Brendan Dawson and DeShaun Thomas. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2509/class/2013
In the ‘12 and ’13 classes there are 3 guys (Willis, K. Stephens, Raphael Davis) ranked higher than anyone we’ve gotten in the last few years. Basically guys that rank as high and higher than the Baby Boilers. And that’s not counting the possibility of Harris, Hammons, etc.
2013 Class - One of the best
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/rankings/_/class/2013
19. Derek Willis
34. Kendall Stephens
52. Bryson Scott
NR Basil Smotherman
Now that class has better rankings than the Moore, Johnson, Hummel, Martin class.
Basil is ranked
just not in the top 60..espn has him at 76.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103527
BTFU
I wouldn't have a problem with it
if Purdue and IU each either get McGary or Harris. Both teams would then be ridiculously more stacked talent-wise. It’ll make for a better rivalry and it’ll make younger kids be even more inclined to stay in Indiana to play ball. I also wouldn’t mind if all other Big Ten teams get to where they loathe coming to Indiana to play because we both have such badass teams. However, I still don’t want you to win a national championship. My thought process is that as long as Purdue has no banners then I don’t feel as bad that we haven’t won one since I was 4. Hell, even 2001-02 was flipping forever ago. I fucking hate Kelvin Sampson.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jun 30, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the 2.0
I really hate it when a new player is considered the second coming of a graduated player. I think they all will be the best 1.0 of themselves they can be and Painter will have to adjust for what they are not version 2.0. Otherwise great article.
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever.
most of the time guys are labeled “version 2.0” of another guy when you’re not quite sure what to expect out of them. For example, people thought DJ Byrd would be Kramer 2.0 when a more apt successor to Kramer would probably be Barlow (from a defensive-first, surprising athleticism, ability to elicit hatred from opposing fanbases standpoint), though we didn’t realize that at the time, while Byrd has evolved into his own unique role on the team.
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Jun 29, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
leadership
When evaluating future teams you need to identify one key element… Leadership. That’s why Kramer was great. Yea he played amazing D but great leadership, outside of Coach Painter, is key to a great team and helps elevate the players around them. Next year is obvious, but who steps up the following years?
Byrd
I think you generally look to your seniors so I think Byrd assumes that role. He’s certainly earned the respect of his teammates with his play on the floor and willingness to do whatever the team needs him to do. He does a little bit of everything well and is a good example to younger players of what a Purdue basketball player should be. I’d be curious to see what happens with Barlow. Assuming he gets his shit together this year I actually think he could assume more of a leadership role. He plays with an attitude and I don’t think it’d hurt if that rubbed off on some guys.
Byrd will be a junior next year...
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Jun 30, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I know...
but he was referring to the 2012 season as we have Robbie, LewJack, and Smith as definite leaders in 2011.
What To Expect When You’re Expecting
By the title and the picture, I thought this article was going to be about Matt’s finding out his wife is pregnant, and how he’ll juggle coaching and prenatal care.
I had so much fun reading this
That I starred it in Google Reader before I was halfway through it.




















