The Matt Painter To Missouri Saga: Tuesday Afternoon Update
by BoilerTMill on Mar 29, 2011 2:05 PM EDT
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PrintIt is 1:43 on Tuesday afternoon and we still don't have many definite answers. Here is what we do know:
- According to Rock M Nation, Missouri is meeting with Painter today in Florida. They have tracked a plane from Jefferson City to Orlando, and it is supposed to be returning shortly.
- Video person extraordinaire has reported that Painter is on the plane to Missouri, but we do not know anything for sure as it is a Twitter rumor, thus unsubstantiated.
- Purdue has finally spoken on the issue, saying an offer has been made and that President Cordova and Morgan Burke are working to keep Painter at Purdue. This, of course, has the CYA dig of, "If he leaves, it is your fault for not donating enough money" clause at the end, which is highly inappropriate and only makes the situation worse if he leaves.
- Coach Keady thinks that Painter is not making a play for himself, but for his assistants to show the university is making a commitment to winning championships. I fully support Painter in this because making money and breaking even isn't what this is all about. It is about winning championships. Win championships and the money will follow.
- In regards to the article there, I doubt Matt Painter is afraid of Tom Crean and his recruiting efforts. A modicum of research shows that we have some good commits of our own coming in 2012 and 2013, and Painter is probably about as afraid of Tom Crean as Charlie Sheen is afraid porn stars.
- Dick Weiss has shown to be worthy of his name in all of this. A "concerned" IU fan tweeted me last night supporting him, as if journalistic integrity shouldn't matter because he is a Hall of Famer. Just like three way calls don't matter because Sampson didn't make the call, I'm sure.
- Tom Schott has stated that an effort "An effort is being made, has been made, was made. What was demonstrated last night is certainly enough of a starting point that he'll understand our desires." I don't know what to take of this. It seems to me that Purdue should be at more than a starting point by now.
- SBNation's Kansas City site is backing off on saying he is signed too.
- Purdue students are rallying on campus right now, but is Matt Painter aware of the support?
Ms. Cross, I find this paragraph highly inappropriate, especially in these economically challenging times. I spend over $700 per year on basketball tickets, over $500 on football tickets, and another $200 on an annual JPC membership. This is as much as my limited budget can handle, especially since the Center for Career Opportunities had been of little help in my job search and I was unemployed with my Purdue degree for six years. I know of several other young alumni who are in my boat, where similar levels of contributions are the maximum they can do.
I also publish Purdue's SBNation site Hammer & Rails, which has a readership of over 5,000 readers per day, but has been singled out by the athletic department and blacklisted. Many readers disagree with this choice, and have withdrawn further financial support because of it. Hammer & Rails represents the voice of many Purdue fans, and they are displeased with this tone of, "Well, it is the fans' fault for not donating more." I love Purdue University. That is why I write this site every day at very little compensation. The Purdue fans that read my site have been much more supportive of coach Painter and of my efforts than the university itself, and it is sad that Purdue continues to treat its own this way.
Best regards,
Travis A. Miller
SLA ‘02
So it is up to Coach Painter now. Amazingly, very few people are upset with him over this entire situation, even though he could have ended it by giving a two word statement: "Not Interested". That tells me he wants more for his assistants, and that he wants to be somewhere that is committed to winning championships and not just making the tournament and contending every few years. The Mackey Project is the first step in that as we will soon have the facilities needed. Painter wants to make sure it goes beyond a mere physical building.
It is my hope that he stays and Purdue makes that commitment. If he does and Purdue follows through, I am confident that there will be bright days ahead.
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oh wait, is this the new open thread or not?
I’m so confused!!!!
To your call once more we rally....
Actually, I think he was going for "tone"
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no, I've actually heard the corn fields in this town speak to me before.
I’m pretty sure they said “Well, it is the fans’ fault for not donating more.”
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the line is in the sand
as of the end of today…am I still a Boiler????
great letter in response to the snide remarks sent by the JPC,
but could someone enlighten me on what “CYA” means?
heart goes out to you TMill
I appreciate your letter to Nancy Cross. I would write too but since I’m just an out-of-state tuition-paying student, I mean absolutely nothing to the athletic department.
All I am is $$$ to the general fund of the university… a drop in a 900 million dollar bucket… which is part of a 2.2 billion dollar bucket encompassing all university expenses across all the regional campus (1.8 billion at WLaf)
To your call once more we rally....
I think sth good to come out of it
Painter is making a statement to the university that he wants more resources and commitment to the basketball program. If, and that’s a big if, the university at least somewhat listens, then it is a positive sign that we are moving in the right direction. It is reassuring to know that Painter is not satisfied with just being in the upper echelon in the Big Ten or the Sweet 16, but he is committed to go after a national championship, which is what we all want here.
Whatever doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. So if we can weather this storm, I see a lot of bright sunny days down the road.
Message to JPC Member
“Personally, I have been overwhelmed with the number of e-mails pledging to join the John Purdue Club or increase support. Ironically, I believe we would not be in this situation had more than 11% of our current membership participated in the Mackey Challenge and more than 150 of our nearly 9,000 members recruited at least one new member. More of the Big Ten television revenues could have been allocated for compensation for the basketball coaching staff members and less toward the critical path of updating Mackey Arena.” ~Nancy L. Cross
Sr. Associate Athletics Director-Development and Sports
Please direct your comments to Ms. Cross
so you built a mansion
and decorated it with particle board
WOW
Way to encourage potential future members there Nancy. Very savvy. Let’s “blast” Purdue alumni while we stand by and watch our coach look elsewhere for a better environment to coach D1 basketball. Now THAT truly underscores the money spent on the drastically stupid marketing idea of “Makers, All”…….which should now have an addendum:
“Makers, All. Well, except most our tightwad alumni and coach Painter”
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The Rivals board has a report that even Brian thinks he's gone
This is not good, not good at all.
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Neubert
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Neubert, the guy who runs GoldandBlack
of course its a radio report or some crap, but it is supposedly with STL’s most trusted reporter.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
linky for those interested
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in St. Louis but am not a native, so not a STL sports fan
and to me, he sounds like one too. He is always outraged and an ass when someone has an opinion that differs from the local view.
Example – he went off on air after Buster Olney told him the Cards may finish third this year in the NL Central due to losing a Cy Young pitcher (Wainwright) for the year. Couldn’t comprehend how someone could think the Reds or Brewers might be better than his depleted Cards
Unemployed for
6 years? I’m not sure I would advertise that.
Honesty is an admirable trait.
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by JordanLegend on Mar 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't totally unemployed
I did a lot of temp work in that time, just couldn’t nail down anything permanent until about a month ago when i went permanent 20 hours per week with a temp job I had.
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Georgia Tech
A few years ago, the AD at Tech announced to the faithful that they needed to forget about competing at the national level since the school was too small and the financial support from the boosters was too meager.
The boosters and other stakeholders took issue with the man’s position and the guy was gone shortly thereafter.
Are we at the beginning of a similar period??
"Life is hard. Wear a cup"
- Dennis Miller
I'm not really upset with Painter.
I think he realizes now, especially given all the personnel problems he had this year, that he can’t succeed against a stacked deck long term (or maybe even short term) and so he’s fighting for what he needs to ultimately make the program successful.
I also think it’s good in general to see how Purdue is reacting to this – at the same time it’s embarrassing. Tiller and Keady both chimed in on the problems with retaining talent. Nancy Cross’s surname is apparently appropriate and shows the kind of people running the JPC. Maybe you’d raise more and have more members if your marketing efforts were better.
Hopefully he will return, with the resources he needs. If we retain him I’ll be sure to donate some more cash to the program. If not, well…good luck with that Nancy.
Also according to the report I read
Purdue is making a furious attempt to line up funding to keep Painter…..comes from Rabajohns, but still.
If its too little, too late im going to pissed the fuck off.
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OT but I am going to to Notre Dame on Saturday for a baptism
Google Maps says it’s a 2:45 minute drive. That doesn’t even sound close to right. Does anyone know how long of a trip it is to South Bend from West Lafayette, even though there aren’t any roads
"It's actually quite a treacherous path. Here let me higlight your way."
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Probably about 1:45.
Maybe 90 minutes. All kind of depends where in South Bend/WL and how fast you drive.
I'm pretty sure you could walk there in 15 minutes.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah probably
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Grew up in South Bend...
and went to Purdue and the problem is there is just no easy way to get from one place to the other. I would give yourself 2:30 at least. I’m guessing you don’t want to be late.
This is depressing.
Makers Mark for All.
by Caleb Benner on Mar 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I just tweeted with the captain of THAT airplane....
and YES, Matty Painter is on board!
BUT, the person in the co-pilot’s seat? yeah, that’s Kelsey Barlow!
I think it’s a trap
Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
nice to see we're not all insane.
Just the administration is.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is the txt of the article
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Purdue Not-So-Subtly Blames Cheap Purdue Donors For Matt Painter’s Possible Departure
Emma Carmichael — Purdue head coach Matt Painter, who has led the Boilermakers to four straight 25-win seasons, is meeting with Missouri officials in Florida today to discuss their recently vacated head coaching job. The John Purdue Club is in a tizzy over his potential departure, even though this scenario seems more representative of a typical “show me the money” two-step than of Painter’s desire to leave his alma mater.
“Matt wants a situation where he will be able to make a run for a national championship,” said former Purdue coach Gene Keady. “The administration here has to step up and help him.”
Purdue has reportedly already made its “help” offer, and today, according to Midwest Sports Fans, the Athletics Department went to the boosters and provided a unique storyline for Painter’s decision. Senior Associate AD Nancy Cross writes:
Dear John Purdue Club Members:
Thanks for the outpouring of support for Matt Painter and for your concern for our Purdue men’s basketball program.
In an effort to allay many of your concerns and dispel much of the misinformation by “unnamed sources”, Athletics Director Morgan Burke has asked me to share with each of you that he is working diligently with President France Córdova and our Board of Trustees to ensure that Matt remains our head coach for many years to come.
Proactively they have made an investment in Matt that was communicated last evening, clearly reinforcing their continued commitment to him and to our championship program. They did not wait to counter anyone else’s offer. It is my hope that the words and actions of our President, our Board and Morgan will encourage Matt, Jerri and their family to remain with Purdue.
Personally, I have been overwhelmed with the number of e-mails pledging to join the John Purdue Club or increase support. Ironically, I believe we would not be in this situation had more than 11% of our current membership participated in the Mackey Challenge and more than 150 of our nearly 9,000 members recruited at least one new member. More of the Big Ten television revenues could have been allocated for compensation for the basketball coaching staff members and less toward the critical path of updating Mackey Arena.
As a self-supporting university auxiliary, we can spend only what we raise, so everyone’s participation will ensure that we retain Matt and provide championship-quality experiences for every single one of our Boilermaker student-athletes.
Thanks for your continued loyal support and passionate commitment….stay tuned!
BOILER UP, HAMMER DOWN, and HAIL PURDUE!
There’s no official rule list for the college coaching blame game, but if it did exist, number one might be, “don’t blame the people who give you their money for the departure of someone who wants more money” (I’d also add, for the general public, “try not to use sporadic caps-lock in an email sign-off”). But I’m no expert in reverse psychology.
Matt Painter to meet with Mizzou [ESPN]
Purdue fans: if Matt Painter goes to Missouri, it’s your fault! Signed, Purdue Athletic Department [Midwest Sports Fans]
Baseball is 15 - 8 heading into BT play
I think we’ll see Kevin Plawecki in the show!
… oh hey MattyP do what is best for your future and your family.
Hammer Down Boilers Hammer Down
"I will straight up rise from the dead and eat Morgan Burke if he lets this happen."
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 29, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He did earn a Profile in Badassery...
That means the next coach should be Neil, Sully, or David Wolf
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If Painter leaves....
…let’s use Lusk as an interim, and name Robbie the next head coach in 2012-2013!!!
Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the Grace of God!
The rumors that Matt sealed the deal with Mizzou are flying on Twitter again.....
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I'm not seeing that
I see nothing going on right now except plane rumors.
not seeing it either
this is going to ruin my productivity in class today
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it true that 11 people showed up
at this “rally”? Including the President? Anyone who was actually there report?
Sad but true
I was one of the handful of people there. At one time, President Cordova, her media assistants, and the WLTV reporters outnumbered those rallying. Great idea, poor execution.
on the bright side though
President Cordova seemed very genuine when she discussed the situation with us. She said she was a huge Matt Painter fan herself and understood what he and the basketball program meant to the university and alums as a whole. I like to believe she wasn’t just blowing smoke up our butts, but we’ll see.
If Painter leaves, I demand that this blog becomes the coaching staff
Im sure we would fit the style of being cheap.
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I'm convinced I got rid of it too early
Kokomo looked awful on Saturday and lost the state championship. I take full responsibility
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Sorry man
I hear from the folks back home that Tipton did well before getting bounced at Semi-State.
It's a trick, get an ax
Tipton took Hammond Noll tot he wire
Had an 8 point lead int he fourth quarter on them before falling apart.
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I was thinking that while watching Kokomo
We absolutely couldn’t hit a damn thing int he final seven minutes of the first half, yet were only down four at halftime.
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pretty impressive without Dickey
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 29, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I figured it all out...
On Friday Matt Painter is going to hold a press conference and tell us all “April Fools” and than announce the signing of Gary Harris.
by BoilersFan on Mar 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is anyone else at the point where they really just want to find out the ending of this saga
Logically I want CMP to stay but I just want to know how it ends at this point.
Agreed
This has probably been about as unproductive a 2 days as I’ve ever had at work. Hell, I had H&R up on my cell phone today while in a meeting with my boss. For the sake of my job, I hope this shit gets resolved soon.
Fail Rally
So that “rally” that was created ended up being a completely failure. I thought I showed up early, so I started studying for my physics exam. I look up later, and there is about 10 people total and President Córdova, and I ended up talking to her about physics textbooks for a few minutes. Some of my friends say they weren’t surprised because it’s during the middle of the day and people are busy. I understand that, but out of over 30,000+ undergraduates, there have to be at least a couple hundred that could have come out at 12:30 to show their support. Love her or hate her, President Córdova, has 10,000 things better to do than to be at a small rally. Heck, there were more media reporters than students. Honestly, it was a pathetic performance and I really don’t think Purdue deserves Painter because we haven’t physically shown it outside of the internet.
The majority of the student body probably didn't even KNOW about this until it was in the paper today.
Much less the “rally.” I wouldn’t read too much into this.
It was all over Facebook last night. Plenty of people hit “attending”. Granted Facebook is never an accurate way of counting how many people are going to show up, but when over 300 people hit the attending button, you’d think more than 10 would show up. I don’t even think the creator showed up (or was too embarrassed to show up), so we all think he/she trolled us.
facebook events don't work the way normal RSVP's do...
most people these days just click “I’m attending” in order to say “I support this” – but nothing more.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit
You think college kids that cared on a campus this size wouldn’t know what was going on?
This is EXACTLY why Painter has one foot out the door. Pathetic.
Ok... so Morgan Burke will blame the alumni... and you will blame the students.
Both of these are bullshit. We packed Mackey. We supported this team through everything they went through. Kindly fuck off before blaming the students.
No its not the students
fault whatsoever. But still don’t understand how a student body is so apathetic in this situation. Look at Bloomington when the Knight debacle went down. The entire campus stopped functioning as the administration was let known what the student body thought of them.
Not to pile on
But seriously, we had more people rally for Izzo in the middle of summer. Seriously though, good luck. I know this coaching carousel stuff is stressful, especially when it’s the possibility of losing a coach you like.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
It was 18 hours of prep time. Seriously. I doubt anyone outside of this blog even knew about it.
I was not able to attend because I have this class thing I’m paying 30k a year for. But the idea that we don’t care is fucking ridiculous, as is the idea that the alumni are somehow at fault. So yes, before you blame the students, kindly fuck off. With a sandpaper condom.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, yes, I do.
It just hit the MSM and The Exponent today. Not everyone sits on fan sites like H&R like us.
I walked past on the way to class
And I wasn’t sure where this was going down, there was no noticeable anything, especially with it being the passing period. I would’ve stood with a group had I saw one.
I come from a land down unda
Grrrrrr..Twitter:
prestonwinfrey:‎ There’s probably more people on the plane taking Matt Painter to Jefferson City than there were at his rally at Purdue — 11.
Unorganized event was unorganized.
Granted, I’m 300 miles away, but I’d heard multiple times and locations for this alleged event.
Rock M is getting confident
They keep tracking the plane. Dammit
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Yeah, because someone really wants to leave Florida for Columbia, MO.....
Hopefully the Mizzou AD folks are having the sports equivilant of driving home from a date that went nowhere.
If Painter leaves......
the sirens will sound in West Lafayette and Morgan Burke’s office will be torched and he will be hanged….
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Get ready to sound the sirens
I sense that its coming soon….
Why are people are twitter...
a) STUPID
and…
b) Welcoming Matt Painter to the Big 12?
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I think because they are sensing the
inevitable at this point.
The guys at RMN seem very similar to us
They keep waiting for the other shoe to fall. They expect Painter to decide to go to Oklahoma before sundown today.
It's a trick, get an ax
from them
Dear Purdue Alumni,
Thank you to everyone who showed up at today’s "Please Don’t Leave Matt" rally. Ironically, I believe we would not be in this situation had more than 11 of you showed up. You suck. Money doesn’t grow on trees you tightwads and rallies don’t populate themselves. Hell, it’s no wonder Painter wants to leave. I’m practically out the door myself if Mizzou has an opening. Now the AD is giving me the stinkeye. Yeah, well f*&@ you too buddy!
Anyway, BOILER UP, HAMMER DOWN, and HAIL PURDUE! Whatever.
Nancy L. Cross
Sr. Associate Athletics Director-Development and Sports
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Since you guys can't donate money like you should.
We have decided Danny Hope will be coaching football & men’s basketball until you step your game up.
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That KOMU sports guy.. Eric Blumberg is going to be on the radio at 2:30...
let’s see what lies he has to tell us…
http://radiotime.com/program/p_182213/The_Fast_Lane.aspx
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They just said...
Painter is NOT on the plane. I repeat NOT on the plane!
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Please God tell me you're serious
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I am serious.. they just said it on the radio...
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Best news I have heard all day
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I heard it too
But it’s not over yet. Said Painter is doing his due diligence on Mizzou.
If you're a Mizzou radio station
Don’t you kind of have to say that? If he says it’s over, everyone tunes out and goes back out to the barns to dream of landing Brad Stevens. How many more people have tuned in to listen to that station because of this rumor? Not that radio stations or other media outlets have ever milked a situation to increase ratings.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Mizzou threw him out of the plane? That should help us.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have it from good sources that Barlow was on the plane, concussed Painter and threw him out while still in the air.
Stay posted.
Barlow has a pilot's license?
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'concust'
per Ryno
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't you get it?
He was suspended from the team for a reason… now we know!
I come from a land down unda
Do we even really know if the Mizzou AD is on the plane?
Couldn’t it just be a bunch of retirees returning from their canasta tournament in sunny Boca Raton?
by PurduePrincess on Mar 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If this happens, I think we might see the ultimate disappointed Robbie moment
And that would seriously break my heart
I wouldn't be able to sleep for a few days
if I was forced to witness that.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If Purdue lets Painter leave...
I am seriously cutting emotional ties to Purdue sports and our pathetic athletic department (seriously we are a laughing stock compared to most if not all of the Big Ten in terms of historic success or lack therof). They don’t deserve our investment in time or money if they are not going to commit to long-term sustained success and try to win conference and NCAA championships.
Really this article summarized it wonderfully:
by Soldier Field Was Ruined on Mar 29, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
Re: "laughing stock compared to most if not all of the Big Ten in terms of historic success"
Northwestern disagrees.
Read?
That is why I said MOST if not all of the Big Ten, and NW is 10 times the academic institution Purdue is so they at least have that, athletics are clearly not their anywhere near their main focus especially considering it is a private university. I know everyone likes to think of Purdue as some elite academic institution, but its really not. Great engineering (of which I have a degree) and a few other very respectable programs but overall, eh, it isn’t considered public ivy which IU, U of I, OSU, MSU, U of M, Wisconsin, and Minny all are.
by Soldier Field Was Ruined on Mar 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ROFL if that's your public ivy list.
Give me a fucking break. Michigan is the only one you got right.
ROFL at your Purdue blinders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy#Great_Lakes_
Its wiki but its from the book which generates the list. If you want to go by USNR then Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois are ahead, OSU is tied.
by Soldier Field Was Ruined on Mar 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
are you shitting me?
seriously you are saying IU et al are better academic institutions. I’ll give you Michigan; but that is it.
by weasel cleaner on Mar 29, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we are actually tied with OSU
with Mich, Wisky, and UofI in front of us. If you look at the US News and World Report. We’re the #18 public university in the country.
by PurduePrincess on Mar 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
University presidents and academics are purported to dislike the USNWR rankings.
Another ranking system is the Center for Measuring University Performance.
http://mup.asu.edu/research.html
Draw your own conclusions.
i work with many of them
and i don’t share your enthusiasm
by weasel cleaner on Mar 29, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude don't forget to cite your sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy#Great_Lakes_.26_Midwest
It's a trick, get an ax
I knew this would happen
The most hits on that article have come from a Peegs post, and they love it. it’s true though
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inside the hall
they always say “don’t start or substantiate a rumor”……we can learn a huge lesson….
The plane
Please tell me the pilot of the plane was Captain Sully and he is flying it to W. Laf to start a coup with an AD with chutzpah
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Settle down
Twitter reports say he was spotted headed into “It’s a Small World” ride just moments ago
It's a trick, get an ax
Morgan Burke better offer to buy Painter's kids cotton candy if they're on the ride too
Or maybe that was part of the serious offer last night.
by Beavis Beefcake on Mar 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Painter not on plane because...
He’s waiting for his own private jet.
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Wouldn't this be better?
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He'd have to go to Cape Kennedy for yours...
Just has to ride the monorail to get to mine.
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Seriously....
If Painter leaves.. how bad do you think Purdue will suck in coming years?
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Obviously depends on the replacement
If we actually make a good hire then it may go ok. If we hand it off to the first guy off the street expect terrible results
It's a trick, get an ax
Its not how much we will suck....
Its thinking about what could have been with those 2012 and 2013 classes with possibly Gary Harris and Alex Foster. If Painter leaves, then those kids bolt and we will never know.
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Woah woah let's not get carried away here.
It’s not like anyone hired someone to pull pieces out of the plane before it took off…
You would think a pirate would be more of a spendthrift
Also, he needs a goatee
I think you mean Leaderdary
get the divisions right dude
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do believe you just coined a term
well player, Mauer
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this comes with the territory of being a coach and the contract stuff
but what a way to ruin a Disney vacation with the kids.
What do you mean? Either way he's getting a big raise
They’re getting the customized Mickey ears with their names on them!
the kids dont care about a raise
Just imagine your kid asking to spend the night at a friend’s house next weekend… oops sorry, we’re moving to missouri, wave goodbye!
I have started a new site.
http://www.hiremorganburke.com/
Good stuff.
FYI there’s some great buy 1 get 1 free groupon deals if anyone is looking to split a couples massage with ol’ Morty.
Since clearly Purdue is more ambitious on FB than real life
Can we get all Purdue students to make this their profile picture for a week if Painter leaves?
by ElijahJones22 on Mar 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't
My Perry the Torn ACL-ephant pic has held back ACL tears since I put it up Post- Hummel II
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a beautiful 404 error
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Morgan Burke's face punchable?
213 people voted. 213 put yes very lol
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by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 29, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that was the only option though...
but it still took a proactive vote to say yes.
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad for both parties involved in this
The Mizzou fans got feel like we do. Twitter, for all its good, is probably not helping the life span of anyone involved in this.
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It's gone from Matt Painter signing with Missouri..
back to .. Matt Painter has not yet decided his coaching future on Twitter.
Rumors…
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gonna be productive and work out
Gotta get rid of nervous energy
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That douche from the article i linked earlier is backtracking
orginally said painter would be on plane to check out facilities.
now says its a good thing he’s not on it because painter would go home first. No one knows anything and I think a lot of Mizzou media is going to look like asshats when this is done.
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This whole thing has a verry....
Mizzou to the Big 10 feel.
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+1
I believe our friends at BoiledSports made that observation very early on. Still valid though. Very, very valid.
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard from a credible source
that Matt Painter is actually looking to take over for Frank Vogel as the next head coach of the Indiana Pacers!
Well...in my opinion that would be better...
I wouldn’t mind that as much as I mind him going to Mizzou.
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Who knows if Painter will go to Missouri...
But this notion that Painter departing to Mizzou would be a slap in the face is kind of silly.
(1) Facilities at Mizzou are superior to Purdue’s. This might not always be true and it may not have always been true, but it most certainly in the case right now.
(2) Mizzou is the only “big-time” college program in Missouri, a state with two (KC/STL) recruiting hotbeds for basketball. Purdue is swamped with in-state competition on the other hand.
(3) Purdue’s recent basketball history — last twenty years — isn’t any better than Missouri’s statistically speaking.
Again, no one has any idea where Painter will be tomorrow night, but you can hope he’ll stay at Purdue without suggesting that Missouri is a second-rate institution.
by mpfische on Mar 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it would be a slap in the face
by the administration, not by Painter. It would tell us that the administration doesn’t care that much about the success. Missouri may have some things going for it, but it clearly isn’t a big name basketball program. Also, I think Missouri has to compete against Kansas for recruits, so i don’t see the recruiting situation as better. Painter is a Purdue alum, and if he would rather go to Missouri to Purdue, then the administration sends a clear message that it isn’t committed to running a successful athletic program and doesn’t care about the fans.
It is a slap in the face
I guarentee you that if you asked any level headed college basketball fan (outside the states of Indiana and Missouri… where there is obvious bias) they would tell you that Purdue is the more well known and prestigous basketball program/university. You can take that to the bank. Not saying Missouri is bad by any means, but comparing the 2… yeah it is a slap in the face to leave Purdue for there.
Purdue has more good basketball history in the long run
but on a generic university to university basis, I suspect there’s really not a whole lot in it.
I don’t think he’s an NBA coach, but it would be a better move than Missouri.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
At least it's a step up. LOL
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We all think this is still a lot of hearsay.
If it turns out Painter moves on to Mizzou without having received a matching offer from Purdue then yes, it will decidedly be a clusterfuck.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean in terms of
Letting the story get this far, doing nothing to adequately reassure the fanbase and insulting the members of one of your largest fund-raising arms for being lazy.
I have an opinion, but there isn't much of a consensus.
On one hand you could say that responding to rumors only substantiates them. On the other I can see how the fans would appreciate said rumors being squashed ASAP to alleviate their worries.
Then from a purely cut-throat business perspective I’m sure the ‘insults’ in that letter could bear quite a bit of fruit. If they didn’t have the $$ to pay Painter before I’d wager that they’ll soon have it. Some people need a real cause to force them into action.
The one thing my IU friends and I do agree on: We don’t remember anything like this ever happening in Bloomington. Take that with a grain of salt, though. We’re all relatively young.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the letter was a big mistake
I mean, seriously – did they forget we’ve been in a recession for 3 years? Donations to something like an athletic program are going to be one of the first things people cut back on.
It may guilt a few people into paying up...
but I think it will turn off more people who already do donate, enough that it will be a negative.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
well, the term does contain the letters ACL so yeah I think this term appropriately describes it.
Other options: The Move? The Fumble 2?
Painter is flying back to Purdue?
Supposedly? This would be terrible news
Random post on GBI
Probably not true. Hence the large number of question marks. But if it is true, we’re screwed
because Barlow is flying the plane!
duh…
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by sea.of.white on Mar 29, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible? Why?
Maybe his vacation is over and he’s returning home. Or maybe he’s returning to Purdue to stand at the podium with Burke to announce a new long-term deal. I don’t see this as terrible news, unless I’m missing something.
Why end his vacation early?
Unless it’s to tell his players he’s leaving
I think it needs to be done either way at this point.
He’ll either be a Tiger within 24 hours, or he’ll have a new deal with us.
Exactly
Maybe he just realizes this is all out of control and needs to show his continued commitment to his alma mater. I suppose he could give a press conference in front of Cinderella’s castle, but coming back could signal anything or nothing at all.
so you're sayin' there's a chance??
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know when
But sometime I’m going to reach a point where news either way is better than this ‘no one knows anything but we’ll speculate all night long’ crap.
You didn’t reach that point 30 hours ago?
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I love this stuff.
Between people who are checking corporate jet flight times, Hall of Fame twitterers, Facebook grassroots efforts, the university’s underhanded response, and the ensuing rumor mill, I can’t get enough of the crazy.
I was seriously going through H&R withdrawal after the season ended and things slowed down
The past two days have been an incredible bender
Best News Source through this
Might be the Exponent. They’ve asked for opinions, but generally only reported on what was confirmed. Can’t say I saw that coming.
Anybody able to read GBI premium board?
Somebody on GBI is saying that there is a post on the premium board of a press conference in 1 hour?
I don’t find that to be true..just curious as to what it says..
As a mizzou guy
just wanted to stop by and say, in no particular order
a) You guys seem pretty cool. Especially love your picture wars. Speaking as a program with a long history of getting kicked in the junk, you guys are starting to sound like our bruva’s from anova confrence (rhyming ain’t our strong suit down here).
b) In particular we’ve just gone through the agony of the “will our successful coach leave or won’t he”, and we wound up on the “will” end, and boy does it ever suck. Kinda sad to see you guys on at least the first half of that same ride.
c) You apparently have one of the world’s more clueless AD operations over there. All they needed to say was “your financial support as alumni continues to be important raising money to support high level athletics programs”, and everyone would have got the message without being told “see, if you’d just done what we’d TOLD you to raise money, none of this would be happening you frickin’ ingrates”. Someone important needs to go through your office there with the administrative equivalent of the ban hammer.
He's from Mizzou! Get the Trident!
j/k
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by sea.of.white on Mar 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow - you really are from Missouri
Thanks for stopping by – I hope you guys find someone good, just as long as it’s someone else
Familiar with this sentimentFamiliar with this sentiment
Was saying it myself not so very long ago :(
People are upset that the athletic dept
would spend 20 mil on a new baseball stadium and other investments into non-revenue producint sports, and also a $100 million renovation of Mackey Arena…….and let a coach like Painter walk away. It makes no sense.
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welcome to our fair site, Mizzou-man
you fit in well, I see
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the gif itself
or the implication that Purdue’s AD is in the process of attempting to imolate their own groin and then get stomped in it?
I hate to agree with a Mizzou, but you are right Wan
Blaming the donors is not gonna help. Reiterating the effort we all need to put in for more donation is.
Yeah
trying to wring money out of people is how the game is played. It’s kosher. It’s the “look, we TOLD you to give money last year, but did you listen” that comes across as aggrieved and bitchy.
It's really profound how a complete outsider and someone relatively new to our program
is able to see just as well as any of us how clueless our AD operations are. I would like to know what opiates they are serving over in the administration offices, because they all must be high on something very, very good. How else could they be this delusional?
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What a mess this has become....
Even if he stays there are going to be a lot of upset people with hurt feelings.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
is this the basketball equivilant to
watching your parents get divorced?
possibly worse
more like parents pushing their own children out the door by not letting their friends eat at the dinner table and then blaming their friends’ parents for not buying their own groceries.
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I just posted an open letter to coach Painter
I don’t know if it will help, but it couldn’t hurt
http://www.hammerandrails.com/2011/3/29/2079311/an-open-letter-to-matt-painter
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The idea came to me on the treadmill
as most things do when listneing to Rammstein and I can’t see anything because I took my glasses off.
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ESPN 1450 is saying Painter was impressed with mizzou
ESPN1450 ESPN Radio 1450
Also was told #Painter will make decision in short term, possibly tonight and would meet with team tomorrow if he leaves. #purdue #Missouri
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fun and games.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Matt Painter is going to say
“Wow, Missouri, you have a garbage program compared to Purdue” in front of the media.
Get realistic and stop digging so deep into everything that’s being said.
Gotta go pick up Mrs. T-Mill
you guys are in charge until I get back.
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Whats the under/over on how long before someone is the corner
rolled up in the fetal position crying?
risky move.
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
These Bo pictures are cracking me up.
by MadisonBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
he lends himself to the best photos
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and even better captions
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what to do with the spotlight not on me.
by IUPUI_BoilerUp on Mar 29, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the cheerleaders' faces....Priceless!
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
wow thats great!!!
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 29, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
"You're awful Tressel. All I ever did was a punch a guy on the sidelines. You told fibs!"
It's a trick, get an ax
If Painter chooses to leave...
It’s his choice. I, for one, will never be able to wish him well, though. He would have left his Alma Mater that gave him the shot. Also, who is this Buddy guy that is his agent… is he an IU grad? Why else would he direct both of his guys away from Purdue.
because his job is to make his clients more money
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just posted on RockM forum
“How methodical is Painter? Has called STL-area coaches to check out scene, got list 60 D-1 players out of MO last six years went elsewhere”
Talk about your due diligence
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Blech.
The knot in my stomach is now back.
by ElijahJones22 on Mar 29, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i would expect this from CMP though
if hes entertaining the job, might as well do research
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know a way to have some fun
Praying that MP stays…..we could go over right now to the RockM site and congratulate the fans for MIzzou landing coach Painter. It would be kinda funny to watch them try and figure out why we are doing this when no official announcement has been made.
On second thought……naaaaaah
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that would just depress me
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well gang,
It’s SUPPER TIME. Hopefully we’ll be hearing good news soon, but until then, gots to get my vitamins and minerals so I can have the energy to potentially follow this whole sordid affair for another 24 hours.
I suggest we all break for our evening meal, and if you want to eat in front of your computer, PLEASE, don’t type with your mouths full.
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That's what I was thinking of Z
But I’d hate for it to be like KARMA if it turned out to be prophetic.
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Hey guys I got some bad news
My sources are telling me that Painter is going to take his talents to south beach, to be the head coach of the Miami LeBrons. There will be a press conference later today, where Painter will state “Suck on that Izzo”
and now we all drink together in great angst and sorrow
before going on a cathartic field trip to have a great big riot in Cleveland.
KC Star is reporting that Painter will wait a day to make his decision.
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If/when he goes...
… the entire AD is screwed, not just the basketball program. How is any of it going to be able to operate in the black when the fans who have just been alienated refuse to show up at the shiny new expensive arena? We know this is Burke’s fault Matty, but geez, that’s a lot to have on your conscience.
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Mar 29, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Around the Horn
Painter discussion up on “Around the Horn” in a couple minutes if anyone is interested in what the talking heads have to say.
Useless
1 for Purdue 2 for Mizzuo, however one of the guys was from Mizzou and the other said he should take the Mizzou job because he could not get recruits to go to Purdue. He also could only name Robbie out of the Big3 class, so take what you want from that.
KC star saying that
Painter will wait a day to make the decision.
Painter supposedly waiting a day to make his decision.
So that would make tomorrow DOOMSDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Which is what we thought today was.
Fast forward through 60 more days of open threads and picture wars!
by ElijahJones22 on Mar 29, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he announces like JJ did
Tweets “Final Four or Die!”
Those around the horn guys are assholes.
“He should go to Missouri because top recruits aren’t coming to Purdue.”
“If you played at Purdue and coached there and you’re thinking about Missouri….its a better job. He should go.”
“He should go because good players aren’t coming to Purdue.”
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
Bhomani Jones made the "good recruits aren't coming to Purdue.
He’s usually right about a lot of things. Including that one. Sad as that is to say, it’s not surprising.
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2012 and 2013 class
He’s wrong on that one.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Does being at Missouri put him up with nation's elite?
You can’t just become the elite. You have to grow into that, and Painter is making strides.
by ElijahJones22 on Mar 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No
But it does give him a state where he isn’t going up against other top in-state recruiters. But I understand your point.
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Kansas?
And it’s not like Missouri is a basketball mecca. Kansas and Illinois nitpick MO of any decent talent. At least Painter could settle for a decent scraps in Indiana if that was the case.
Oof.
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He still can. If he takes a kid here or a kid there from Indiana
And adds them to top talent from Missouri and surrounding states, that’s not too bad a pool to draw on.
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If he bails on an Indiana school like this,
Painter’s ability to get recruits out of Indiana is severely crippled for awhile. And you’re assuming he can get top talent out of MO. Why would I go for to Missouri, with a brand new coach and unproven program when I can go to established powerhouses like Kansas and (somewhat) Illinois.
Oof.
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He hurts his ability to pull kids who grew up loyal to Purdue, but those kids probably weren’t going to MU anyway.
Mizzou is at a similar strata to Purdue in its ability to pull recruits. They’re both major conference players with some recent success who are a cut below the true blue blood players.
His recruiting job probably becomes a smidge easier if he comes to MU, but it’s not exactly going to be night and day.
Not that your general point is without merit
but we’ve kind of owned Illinois recently on the court :)
And Kansas has national level recruiting pull, I don’t know that it’s a whole LOT worse living next to them (other than the inherent drawbacks of, y’know, living next to Kansas).
Right
but I think we are all assuming here that Missouri has/will have the same level of talent that Indiana has been putting out in the past few years. I’m no expert in MO recruiting, and correct me if I’m wrong, but besides a few top tier kids, its not near the caliber of Indiana players.
Oof.
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Mizzou is kind of in a funny place with recruiting. It used to be very good, then it fell apart after the Quinn Snyder debacle, but in the last 5 years under HCMA it build up again. This year we actually had a very highly ranked recruiting class (though 2 of the top ranked players we got didn’t show due to academic problems). We were all pretty happy about the place MA had taken us to, and were looking forward to the good things this would do to our success on the court, except, y’know…
Missouri
I still think in Missouri he’s going up against Kansas and Illinois as bigger name programs. There might not be anyone in state, but there are enough close by.
by ElijahJones22 on Mar 29, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But at least he’s going to do it with the full support of the university in every conceivable way possible – which is really the main position Matt is taking with Purdue. Increase the money pool to draw on so we can do everything to the best of our ability OR Missouri said they will.
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Exactly
Compared to what? Rapheal Davis in 2012, is MAYBE a top 100 player. 2013 looks a bit better, but that’s a long way off still. “Good Recruits” in ESPN lingo means Top 50 (or even Top 30) players.
Comparisons
If he was offered this job by North Carolina or Kansas, it’s a different story. I just don’t see what his current recruiting success has to do with this decision. He still will need to get players to come play in Missouri and I doubt he just starts getting top 30 recruits being there.
by ElijahJones22 on Mar 29, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Indiana is a state where the national elite flock
to recruit high school players. Matt has done well, but hasn’t lured the BIG GUNS to the program. Yet. That’s the difference.
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I don't know...I do think
overall it would be easier to recruit at Mizzou rather than Purdue. Overall just less competition in the region.
so i guess its like a question of...
would you rather sit the bench on varsity (have to recruit in Indiana), or be the star on the B-team (recruit in MO)… I would think a competitor would choose the former, but who knows.
and hangs on to them for 4 years, not 1 or 2
There’s something to be said for the not-quite superstars.
True.
So really, all this desire for more money to help become an elite program is just a bunch of damn nonsense.
Okay everybody – Wan and I just figure it all out.
NONE OF THIS SHOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE !!!
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done and solved
Well we’ll see you in the Finals next year then, no matter what happens with the coaches :)
Recruiting
Obviously there was a spike with the big 4 (stupid traitor), but overall the recruiting has steadily improved. He missed out on a few marquee guys but so did a lot of teams. I don’t see them going to Missouri either. He did a good job for 4 years of keeping solid, complimentary players around the 3 stars and is lined up for a few more bigger names over the next few years. We all want to see the big 5 star guys, but I feel like we’re approaching that, and starting fresh at Missouri would be a step back for him.
by ElijahJones22 on Mar 29, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He's gotten HUGE recognitition off this saga in the past couple of days
It may end up helping him get in the door of more 5 star players, no matter where he ends up coaching. Maybe.
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That's a great point.
This is really putting Matty in the national spotlight, although for better or worse, I dunno yet.
Oof.
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Missouri recruits
Well, just quickly glancing through Rivals 2011 and 2012 classes, there really are few from missouri and of the ones that are on the list only one was going to missouri – and he was like #97. And one is even coming to ND. There were zero in 2010 top 150 and one in 2009 (#120).
Indiana has a lot more basketball talent on all the lists. Also, the addition of Foster and maybe even Harris to our upcoming classes would potentially give him his best team. Leaving for Missouri really doesn’t make sense to me. I really think this would be a bad career move for MP, but….
Oh I agree
Except for the fact that MP probably wants to feel appreciated and have his staff be more appreciated by allowing them to wage all-out efforts on recruits they feel will elevate the program.
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This year there's a bumper crop out of MO
but yeah, the state is certainly not the hotbed of basketball talent that Indiana is, no disputing that. Most of our players have come from further away.
Deadline!!!!
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And we have a deadline! RT @miklasz: Mizzou AD Mike Alden has asked Matt Painter to make decision by noon Wednesday.
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Samoan
that makes it closer
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Since I will be away from a computer/phone/device of similiar nature
I will probably find out about this around 1 or 2 pm.
My prayers and best wishes go out to all of you, my Boiler brethren.
Let it be OUR DAY tomorrow, oh Lord.
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I wish the deadline was 6:30 tonight
I can’t take this anymore. I’m emotionally drained
Kawaan Short just Tweeted
That if Matt Painter agrees to stay, he would play for him next season.
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Kawaan was a beast in high school
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I know....
…he could be the post-playing battering ram that makes room for our scorers!!
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He could set screens on three guys at once.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I'd rather see Kawaan Short on grass
He’s the guy that is going to be looked at to fill Kerrigan’s shoes.
or both.
i’m not against both.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see that.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My opinion from Day 3
please dissect and opininate upon
http://purdue.big10rant.com/222-day-3-of-painter-watch-deadline-approaches/
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Your take on the revenue vs non-revenue sports
and the rather odd importance/level placed on the “NS sports” is a solid point. Nice job.
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Update from my partner at our blog
RobbyDKitchel Robby Donoho
6PM – NEWEST UPDATE – Painter will decide tomorrow, Purdue has upped offer from $2mil to $2.3mil. 24 more hours of excruciating agony…
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In all seriousness folks
I think Matt is staying.
The money increase should cover the bball staff, but the final determining factor could be Burkes/Purdue putting into writing (or into binding words Matt wants to hear) how they will back Matt fully with his needs that he feels will increase chances of a nationally relevant program for the next decade.
To me, unless Purdue just flat-out told Matt to go fly a kite, he wouldn’t bolt for Mizzou for the rather small amount of increase mentioned. That’s not to say Matt is playing games, because Keady said (and others) that he’s not like that.
I honestly feel he was serious about the Mizzou job because someone (many someone’s) weren’t giving him a “warm-fuzzy” on these issues prior to or post-NCAA run. Until now.
So we’ll see. But I have a bit better feeling now than I had a few hours ago.
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If it's just money
and Mizzou and Purdues are even close then I can’t imagine he bolts. If the reasons he feels a lack of support aren’t just pay, then who knows.
I think it's more about respect and commitment to winning
If Purdue shows Painter that they are serious in getting him more resources, then it’s a no-brainer, whatever the salary.
If they come to Painter and just slap another million in his face and said, “Fine, you win this time, punk. Here’s your $, now get your ass back here to clean up the mess” (well, may not be in the exact words but if that’s the implicit msg), then he’ll leave.
Agreed.
At the end of the day, it’s important to get to feel like people want you there and that they are on the same page in providing you the help.
I think as long as Burke makes a somewhat genuine effort and just listens to what Painter wants, Painter would stay.
Off topic
2013 recruit Zak Irvin from Hamilton Southeastern HS (teammate of Gary Harris also) just got on twitter. Everyone that is on twitter needs to follow him so he comes to Purdue with his buddy… @zirvin21
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 29, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
But we don't really have the scholarship, esp if we need a big like Hammons or Foster
…unless you are counting on the mass exodus if Painter leaves, but then if that’s the case why would Irvin and Harris even consider Purdue?
but apparently
We’ve already offered both of them…
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 29, 2011 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My mom noticed this yesterday
http://www.jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=BY&Date=20110326&Category=SPORTS02010201&ArtNo=103260803&Ref=PH&odyssey=mod|mostpopphotos
One GDB is notably missing…
BTFU!
Hi guys Big Dog here.
I am officially announcing today that I am coming back for my last year of eligibility to play for the boilers. You guys need some more BIG DOG in your lives.
How do you upload pics?
I’m joining the war!
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
you'll have to upload them elsewhere, or find them on a google search
but click the little tree icon to put the link for the pic.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
all you do
is hit the image icon…and delete the http:/ crap and then copy/paste the link to the photo
WAIT! Have you seen my shiny new recruits??
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
yea! you did it... whopty doo
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by sea.of.white on Mar 29, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that show!
I watch it every night when I smoke pot with my bros Shee-man and Watford
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
only admins can
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that show!
I watch it every night when I smoke pot with my bros Shee-man and Watford
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
We are officially bored. The gifs are taking over
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
That. Is. Awesome.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a picture of Thad Matta with his fist
Showed up on my page after I posted it… I can still see it
This is out of control...
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
PLAYOFFS!??!
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ape shit!!!??? that's my thing!
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by sea.of.white on Mar 29, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently....
this guy thinks he knows everything…
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Today is a great day to have pretend internet credibility
Cuz business is booming!
Holy shit
you found a picture of huggy bear with a collared shirt on. That is the most shocking picture here.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 29, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I just actually clicked on the link and almost shit myself laughing
“Bernie Bytes” ? Are you kidding me?
How adorable!
Matt Painter to meet with a Purdue official...
but not AD Morgan Burke.
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I don't claim to know if this is true or not but
if so, it probably won’t end well. My guess is Painter wants Burke gone, and power struggles like that don’t tend to end well. If Painter has enough clout to try and get Burke fired, then whoever steps into the AD job will have a problem with a coach who is not only the highest paid person in the university but has potentially more pull.
What will probably happen is Burke won’t leave, no one will have the balls to fire Burke and accede to Painter’s demands, Painter will leave for Mizzou, and the ensuing backlash will cause Burke to get fired anyway.
We just need to put Kramer outside Mizzou's arena. Painter would be terrified to go near it.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the biggest hemorrhoid I've ever seen
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 29, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pre-decision anxiety approaching fast...
and now its here.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Just got a tweet saying Painter is back home in WL
but then again its twitter.
And they’re saying he’s still weighing his options.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
dont worry about it. just sit back and sip sip on some purple drank!
It has sugar, water and its purple!
IF YOU GOT MONEY AND YOU KNOW IT
TAKE IT OUT YO POCKET AND SHOW IT THEN THROW IT…THISA’WAY…THATA’WAY
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL then don't help it...
but the Busey reference is funny.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
+1000
this proves he belongs here.
he’s optimistic in the face of imminent destruction.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
As hard as I think about it....
I just can’t think of a world where Painter would leave Purdue for the likes of Missouri… I just can’t see it.
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Two Tweets from Raphael Davis
Lil_Slick_E_N_T Rapheal davis
i believe everything will be okay at Purdue #praying
Lil_Slick_E_N_T Rapheal davis
i had my phone off all night n day today
New one from Robbie
RobbieHummel4 Robbie Hummel
Can’t wait until this night is over..I cannot focus at all on studying for my labor economics exam tomorrow
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
this bothers me the most
if Painter actually leaves; i feel so bad for Robbie. Everything he has been through and has maintained a positive attitude in spite of it all. Can’t imagine having to tell tell him “see you around”
by weasel cleaner on Mar 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
As the official site manager here
I think we have crossed a threshold
It’s a hilarious threshold, but a threshold nonetheless.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
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That is high quality right there
A rec to you, good sir.
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
This is the only thing that has kept me sane tonight. Too depressed to think about what reality may look like tomorrow.
Alright so what do we think?
Given the information we have as of right now, what do you think?
1. He stays
2. He Goes
If you answered 2…are we burning Morgan Burkes house down?
But seriously I want peoples opinions…
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
got Photo shop CS5
Will work on it… give me a bit.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
got a quick one, where can I host it, or do you have an e-mail?
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 29, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If its true that Purdue offered him 2 mil
then its REALLY up in the air. No way we know until Judgement Day.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
I find it hard to believe given our past
that WE offered 2.3 mil
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
i think MP wants championships and a legacy – the money will be there if he does that. he wants the ability to recruit the best, and i really dont think thats asking too much. basically he’s saying he wants to win championships and if the purdue admin doesnt then he’s gone. fairly simple actually, and what everyone on this site really wants too.
I hate to be debbie downer..but I think he goes..
..if this is truly all about support to get the program to competing for National Championships year in and year out..don’t you think the fact that he isn’t talking with Burke is a bad sign?
I mean don’t get me wrong..I WANT him here..I just have a very bad feeling when I heard that he was talking to a Purdue official and not the AD.
That isn't a fact though.
I think you got it from Bernie’s Bytes.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He wants to keep everyone equally in the dark
If Burke knows that he’ll be back, what’s Burke’s incentive to give him his well-deserved raise?
Site manager says
I think he goes, because it wouldn’t have gotten this far if he stays
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well i would have to say that
because it got this far that he is leaning towards staying . it was the purdue admins slow reactions that caused it to be drawn out this long. a very well played chess match by MP i think.
i think the fact its gone to wednesday says he stays
i’ve grown sliglhtly more confident the longer it has gone. maybe its wrong, but i think the longer it takes, its better for him to stay
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
oho, I like the way you think
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody just said that per Fox 2 KTVI in St. Louis that a source close to the situation...
..has said as of roughly 6:30 pm central time..that no meeting had been scheduled between Painter and the Purdue Basketball team..
Again with the “sources close to the situation” shit..but IF this is true..is this a good sign for us??
To me that doesn't mean anything...
because as of 6:30 pm central time… Matt Painter probably hasn’t made a definite decision yet.
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True..I agree with that thought..
..see that’s all I wanted..a place to bounce an idea off of!
no meeting with the team IS a good thing.
the team needs to be third to know, after his family and employer.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
From Mizzou Blog... thought this was funny
BTW, if I ran a Purdue blog… I would TOTALLY run a series of "Letters Sent By Nancy Cross To Explain Historical Events." For instance:
"Ironically, Mr. Ferdinand, if you would have had the good sense to not get assassinated, Europe would perhaps not be in its current predicament.
BOILER UP, MUSTARD GAS DOWN."
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 29, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
those guys are ok
I’ll refrain from the Bo Ryan pic I was going to put here
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by sea.of.white on Mar 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
TMill asked us nicely to stop
was laughing so hard but trying not to wake the kids….
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by sea.of.white on Mar 29, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
this is more than free game
The JPC deserve a proper public shaming for that e-mail.
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
win
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate to bring it up
but i think losing dawson took a lot out of MP. He wants to be able to compete year in and year with Izzo and the top teams in the country. To lose a top player he thought he had to Izzo had to hurt a lot. And prob Tyler Zeller too. We’ve all been talkin bout what if we had Tyler. I really think that stuff eats at him, especially if he blames admin issues.
Lol I don't think we ever had a shot at Zeller.
If you’re right about anything its Dawson.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it has to be really demoralizing to put your heart and soul into a recruit
And watch them pack it for MSU.
Now I know I'm going to sound like all the other idiots out there but....
I saw a post on here that no meetings had been planned for the basketball team and I also saw something about the Painter’s being back in West Lafayette. This is not true. The Painter’s are still in FL (at a very minimum the family is with or without Matt… I find it hard to believe he left his family there). I would rather not say how I know this due to the fact that if I say, my access to this knowledge would likely cese because most of you would also be seeking this access (and you can access it with ease right now).
I know for a fact that at least the rest of his family is currently still at Disney.
Please don’t hate me for this even though I am fully aware that I sound like the rest of these Twitter dumbasses out there.
El Morgano Burko, here
I have an inside source that says everything is fine, so it wouldn’t be a bad thing to say give me…err Purdue, all your money .
just hoping Matty is a praying man tonight.
because this is God’s country. surely he will know that if he prays about this decision. …. right?
To your call once more we rally....
Has Purdue ever faced an hour of need like this one?
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
not in my lifetime.
but I’m only 23
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by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
not even close.
that was nerve-wracking… but a recoverable outcome. players graduate eventually, and we all knew they would have to leave at some point. one year early wouldn’t be as devastating as losing the coach perfect for our program – and perfect for changing our program for the better
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
MP is perfect for this program and has the requisite desire to be great. But you could say the same about coaches anymore.
yes
nail. on. head.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 29, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think that was as big as this is...
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I hope this isn't the last night
that i go to sleep that Matt Painter is our Basketball coach.
Please stay Matt.
What worries me...
is the relationship with Burke. Obviously not the best in the past, and don’t imagine this helps. I’m afraid it may be that CMP feels it can never be repaired. I’ve been in a very similar situation in my career. It may come down to not trusting in the people you work for, and if so, there is really only 1 choice.
by CreakyOldBoiler on Mar 29, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
There's nothing more that can be done.
Matt Painter…we love you and hope you decide what’s best for your family. It’s just our hope that those plans involve stepping foot into Mackey this fall.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
I think this is a HUGE positive in Purdue's favor.
GoldandBlackcom Brian Neubert
Matt Painter spent Tuesday evening in meetings with high-ranking #Purdue officials discussing new terms for asst coaches compensation.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 30, 2011 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
From this...
I draw the conclusion is is leaning toward Purdue!
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thank you, thank you, thank you
this is going to be the last thing that I read before going to sleep tonight.
This can’t be anything BUT positive. Unless Morgan Burke was there, and forced them all to meet in absolute darkness to save on the electric bill.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If Painter comes back with a huge salary
It means many more years of Danny Hope.
Meh. Worth it
All things considered
and every single pessimistic one of you will disagree with me, but Hope can field a great team this fall barring injuries. I think all the hate against him is entirely misplaced.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 30, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I would agree with that...
I really don’t have anything against Hope as of now.. but a couple more unproductive years of missing bowls… and I want him out. He did have some excuses the last two years.. but this year… its make or break.
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I would agree
If it weren’t for the fact that they lost a 15 point lead in the 4th quarter AT MICHIGAN STATE.
I blame the coaches for that one.
I'm with you.
Given the sheer quantity and magnitude of the injuries the team suffered last year… they really couldn’t have done much more in a realistic world.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That should be the last thing we all read tonight..
Everyone go to bed! Fast! Before an more news breaks… this might help us all sleep.
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Well...
if more bad news breaks.. I think we are all due for a heart attack or stroke or something….
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From RobKitchel on Twitter!
UPDATE ADD – Painter has also met with Purdue officials AND Morgan Burke about coaching staff terms. MASSIVE step in the right direction!
I KNOW its Twitter but I trust the guy. He’s been a major campus Purdue reporter for quite a while and I have no doubt in what he has to say.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 30, 2011 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
Guys, GoldandBlack.com just tweeted Painter has been meeting
with Purdue officials Tuesday evening about assistant coaches’ compensation. I think we might have him!!
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 30, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
Boiler up!
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by sea.of.white on Mar 30, 2011 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Purdue Athletic Dept...
is finally starting to catch on to what all us fans have been saying since as long as I can remember…
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With added $ to the program...
do we see a big improvement?
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New tweet from GBI says that meetings were over the phone
Painter is still in Florida
“Correction/clarification: Painter spoke with #Purdue officials Tuesday night over the phone. He remained in Florida with his family.”
If that's the case
It’s unclear what happened with Barlow skyjacking the plane. Hopefully more to come.
I'm kinda getiin pissed that MP and Keady threw school under the bus
with all the negative comments about committment and what not. because the school is responsible for giving them the opportunities for their big successes: MP full ride scholorship, asst coaching job, head coaching job, revised better contract last year, Keady head coach for 20+yrs and let stay for too long that led to a complete mess.
sounds like bullshit to me, both of their asses whining publicly about why purdue hasn’t given them the proper tools to win championships. Bullshit! those guys should be able to fucking get it done as coaches, period, because the school has and will pay a coach competative compensation
Actually
I’m not angry at Painter at all. How is a guy that successful only the 8th highest paid coach in the B1G? Unacceptable. I’m hoping his final decision is in our favor.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 30, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
Matt Painter didn’t say anything. He just expressed interest in the Missouri job, and as I’ve said before, he should have. It’s pointless to not, at least, investigate.
Keady basically said what we’ve been saying all along. The university needs to face the facts. Painter is a hot coach and hot coaches will require hot paychecks.
I can see where you're coming from
but you’re still way out of line. Read more into their comments. It’s stupid stuff that the AD has been skimping on (although it stems back to much bigger things like asst. coach salaries) like giving them a cheap economy rental car on recruiting trips while other schools are showing up to recruit these kids in Escalades. It doesn’t really matter how much that kid likes your school if he doesn’t think they’re committed to producing championships. We’ve also been unable to hold on to top notch assistant coaches because their talent gets noticed by someone willing to pay them much, much more. If our assistant coaches made more, then Painter wouldn’t have to worry about them leaving to go elsewhere. Less coaching turnaround overall helps immensely in giving your team the tools necessary to win. just my two cents.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Go back up in the comments...
I said Painter was still in FL nearly 2 hours ago. I do have one place I am getting my info… no matter how stupid it may sound.
This was my post at just before 11pm EST.
Now I know I’m going to sound like all the other idiots out there but…. I saw a post on here that no meetings had been planned for the basketball team and I also saw something about the Painter’s being back in West Lafayette. This is not true. The Painter’s are still in FL (at a very minimum the family is with or without Matt… I find it hard to believe he left his family there). I would rather not say how I know this due to the fact that if I say, my access to this knowledge would likely cese because most of you would also be seeking this access (and you can access it with ease right now).
I know for a fact that at least the rest of his family is currently still at Disney.
Please don’t hate me for this even though I am fully aware that I sound like the rest of these Twitter dumbasses out there.
Not really
“The Painter’s are still in FL (at a very minimum the family is with or without Matt… I find it hard to believe he left his family there). "
Not exactly the same
Understand where you are coming from
However, this is what I meant. I cannot believe I have access to this info. I am amazed that it hasn’t been found by anyone else (easily accessable to anybody). It’s not a lot and the info is little, but I have got little nuggets here and there for the past 3 days. As I said, I am afraid to tell anyone where this info is coming from because I fear everyone will bombard it and then I (and everyone) will lose access to it.
That sounds incredibly fishy
Reminds me of those Nigerian prince e-mails
I don't blame you one bit for thinking its fishy
I would think so too if I was in your place and there’s nothing I can say to prove it short of telling you where I saw it. I feel terrible for even saying anything because I feel like all the other dumbasses out there saying dumb shit. I don’t have any “sources”… I’m in Ohio and just a fan, not even an alum. This is just something I stumbled upon a year or so ago. I just found it amazing/cool that this access I had actually was paying off and was correct and couldn’t restrain myself from saying something. Believe me too… the place I got this “info” isn’t going to reveal anything earth shattering.
Also I apologize
If I have made you think I am a tool. Wouldn’t blame you at all if you did think I was a tool. I shouldn’t have said anything.
Hallo Sir/Madem
I am Nigerian Prince and have 5 billion USD that I need to transfer our of the country. For your help, I will pay Matty Painter 2.3 million USD…
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by sea.of.white on Mar 30, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I TOTALLY FOUND YOUR SOURCE
14 hours ago….at least one family member of CMP’s was at Disney.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 30, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep...
I would say that you did indeed figure out where I saw what I saw based on the “14 hours ago” part. At least you know I’m not crazy and just talking stupid.
that's exactly what painter is saying
they are both basically saying its the schools fault for not giving them the resources to win national champs. thats just bullshit…because Purdue is going to pay Matty what he wants, I doubt that was ever a question. Meeting about asst coaches pay?? This is really freakin bizzare from both sides of the table
yeah I know about asst coaches drama
bothers me that it has come so soon after season, within a week!
just fucking weird this whole thing, I mean MP has won championships, COY’s, and had a team this year that could have won it all. So has there really been such an enormous problem there???
To try and better the program is one thing, but to go about it this way, and since a few days have gone by for me to reflect, I think its a poorly chosen path that MP went down to prove his point
directly after the season is normally when ANY coaching changes happen.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
well no shit, but both MP and Keady had the tools to win the big one
and didn’t deliver (not saying MP won’t one day)…. PU could land another great coach if he leaves
Perspective
MP leaving would suck for you guys, and would be put an exclamation point on your need to clean things up AD wise… but is not a death knell either…
not if they're not willing to pay more
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
After thinking about it, basically all night
I don’t think he’s leaving. He may have made some phone calls, but noway does he up and move the family without visiting the facilities in person. The fact that he wasn’t on the plane to Columbia says everything to me.
someone earlier said that we played at Mizzou once before
I checked into that – we had a home/home series with them in 06-07 and 07-08 seasons. He’s been to Missouri’s facilities as recently as December 8, 2007. That said, he wouldn’t have gotten as nice of a tour as a visiting opponent than as a prospective head coach. However, he’s probably familiar enough to know whether it’s nicer than the new Mackey. My guess is no.
he also did his “due diligence” in checking up with high school coaches in the state and looking at the D1 recruits out of missouri.
but I still agree with you, for probably multiple reasons. I think he’s staying.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
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