The Matt Painter To Missouri Saga: Does Purdue Have A Loser's Mentality?
by BoilerTMill on Mar 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT
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PrintI was amazed to see the Painter article from last night reach over 300 comments. That's astounding to me, but it tells me that Purdue fans are desperate for a winner. We're like most normal fans in that we want to see our teams, especially in football and men's basketball, succeed. It is frustrating to see programs like George Mason, Butler, and Virginia Commonwealth reach a Final Four with limited resources while we have several advantages, yet we cannot break through after 31 years. Combined with the fact that our main football rival is a traditional power (that reminds us constantly) and our main basketball rival is a former power (that reminds us constantly) it is natural that many of you fans are wondering about the mentality of the school itself this morning.
I am wondering myself. I looked at some numbers this morning and our perceived advantages are really over smaller programs. When it comes to the Big Ten, we're at a distinct disadvantage. First, let's look at the number of sports that each school sponsors at the varsity, intercollegiate level. I will include Nebraska as well, since they can now be considered a conference member for the major sports.
Big Ten Schools and # of sports offered:
Ohio State 35
Penn State 29 (not including men's and women's ice hockey, soon to be added)
Michigan State 25
Michigan 25
Indiana 24
Iowa 24
Minnesota 23
Wisconsin 23
Illinois 21 (a candidate to add hockey with the new Big Ten Hockey Conference)
Nebraska 21
Northwestern 19
Purdue 18
This is our first glaring number. Purdue officially sponsors the fewest varsity teams in the Big Ten. This was after women's softball and women's soccer were added during my time on campus (1998-2002). Notably, we lack a men's soccer program, but so do Minnesota, Illinois, and Iowa. One reason I have heard for our lack of a program is that we don't want to lose to Indiana, a traditional power in the sport, every year. Still, this didn't stop Oregon from reviving its baseball program when rival Oregon State won consecutive National Championships.
What this factor points out is a lack of money. The secondary sports take money to run. Oregon was able to start a baseball program because They have a ton of NIKE money pouring in. In the south, baseball is a revenue producing sport, but not in the Midwest with less than 20 home games per year. We are like many athletic programs in that men's basketball and football earn the money for the rest of the sports. You're not going to see sports added as long as we're averaging less than 50,000 people per game in Ross-Ade Stadium. Occasionally, women's basketball can be a break-even sport because of its history, but that is the only one that comes even close.
Now, let's look at how our teams stand up to Big Ten competition.
Total Number of Big Ten Championships as of spring 2009:
Michigan 347
Illinois 228
Ohio State 185
Wisconsin 180
Indiana 162
Minnesota 154
Iowa 104
Michigan State 81
Northwestern 69
Purdue 67
Penn State 50
Nebraska 0 (obviously)
This part bothers me quite a bit. Penn State has been in the conference for only 20 years, yet they have nearly caught us in championships despite the fact we have been in the Big Ten for over 110 years. What's worse, the University of Chicago, which was a member from 1890-1947, still officially has more championships in conference play than us with 73. They also sponsored more sports at the time they left.
Almost 1/3 of our conference championships have come in men's basketball (21 at the time of this list). Seven more have come in women's basketball, and eight in football. 12 have come in men's golf, but none since 1981. Many of our sports have a lengthy drought since their last conference championship, including baseball (102 years), men's cross country (68 years), wrestling (57 years), women's cross country (31 years), Volleyball (26 years).
It gets worse when we look at a national perspective.
Total Number of NCAA Championships by school as of May 2010:
Penn State 38
Michigan 33
Wisconsin 27
Iowa 25
Indiana 23
Nebraska 23
Ohio State 21
Michigan State 19
Illinois 17
Minnesota 15
Northwestern 6
Purdue 4
Notably, this does not including football national championships, since there is no official NCAA Division I-A football national champion recognized. This would actually give us two more as the Parke-Davis poll awarded us a title in 1931 and four different polls gave us a title in 1943.
Our four National championships, as recognized by the NCAA, are Men's Golf (1961), women's basketball (1999), women's golf (2010), and I think we won a pistol shooting title in the 60's. It has been 50 years since we won a men's national title in anything. The football program hasn't been in the discussion for a National title in over 40 years (unless you count The Fumble). Men's basketball hasn't reached a Final Four in 31 years. Baseball has been to one NCAA Tournament, and that was 24 years ago.
To me, this is a very pathetic track record for a school that has been a charter member of the oldest conference in the country. We struggle to win conference championships, and we are rarely in the discussion for national hardware. David Boudia has more individual championships in three years (six) than the rest of the school in over 100 years.
What are the reasons for this? Is there a loser's, mediocre mentality within the athletic department? Reader BoilersFan had a great perspective on this:
I think of the NCAA tournament like a poker game. Ypu've got 3 types of players at the table: big stack, little stack, and everyone else. The Duke's, Carolinas, Kansas' of the world are your big stacks. They have so many chips that they can toy with the competition for a while before eventually out betting them. Purdue would fall into the everyone else category. We've got enough chips to sit at the table and think we have a chance, but not enough chips to compete with the big boys. We play conservative waiting for the big hand but sometimes it never comes. Butler, VCU, George Mason are the little stacks. They play loose and aggressive knowing they only have a couple of hands to get an advantage and when they get the big hand they go all in. I guess what I am trying to say is that these teams play as if they have nothing to lose. If Butler or VCU lost in the first round I doubt if anyone, including their fans, would have been dissapointed. So they have fun and embrace the moment. Purdue plays tight because they have all these expectations heaped upon their shoulders. Playing loose doesn't always equate to success but sometimes it works.
He has a very valid point. I like watching Butler play basketball. I have been a fan of them (though not at the level of Purdue) since 1997. I am a sucker for the mystique of Hinkle Fieldhouse. I've been to at least one game there each of the last four seasons. They play solid, fundamentally sound basketball and absolutely maximize the talent they have by forming a team greater than the sum of its parts. They are very similar to us, only with less resources and fewer stars. They seem to maximize their talent even more.
We will always have an advantage on them in terms of resources. No matter what Brad Stevens says, there will always be larger programs with bigger alumni bases trying to back a dumptruck full of cash up to his driveway to lure him away. He may very well be happy with what he makes there. It is more than enough to take care of his family and he knows he will have job security for as long as he wants to work, so why would he want to leave? Why would he go somewhere where he would suffer more scrutiny for not having success with more resources when he can stay where he is at, continue to have success, and become a legend?
That is kind of what we are hoping with Painter. He has more resources. Purdue has the sixth highest current enrollment in the Big Ten, so the alumni base is there. The Mackey Project will soon be done to give us top notch facilities. It is clear that six years in Painter is already beloved because he has accomplished what, by Purdue's low standards, are great feats. He has won a conference championship, he has reached two Sweet 16's, and we have received a top 5 ranking during the regular season, making us a threat for the Final Four. Sadly, for the last 30 years, that is as good as it gets.
So why would he leave? Why would he want to make what is a lateral move at best for a cash grab? That would be a lot like Brad Stevens leaving Butler. At Missouri, the Specter of Expectations will be there from day one. Some people have talked about Purdue going after Stevens. The same would be true for him. If he did come to Purdue people would question why he couldn't reach a Final Four with a "better" program within five years if he did it at Butler. He's already leading the top basketball program in the state at the moment, while Painter is leading the #2 program.
This is only speculation, but maybe Painter sees the mentality of the athletic department better than any of us. He is, after all, a competitor. He is a former player that came close to playing on a Final Four team. He wants to succeed at the highest levels, but he knows Purdue's history better than most. If he feels that he can have more success elsewhere, he may bolt.
As I said yesterday, we don't know what is going on in his mind. We want to think that loyalty lies close to home and, like Stevens, he wants to stay and become a legend at the program that gave him his start. I feel like this article is ending with the same "wait and see" attitude of last night, but I can't say I am confident about the long-term attitude of our athletic department based on our history. It is not a question of resources or facilities, but of the attitude of the school itself.
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A terrifying addendum
My co-writer at SBNation:Indiana, Matt Grecco, pointed out that the fifth year transfer window in football applied to basketball. In fact, Illinois is gaining a point guard from Bradley this was for his final year of eligibility. You know what this means.
If Robbie officially graduates in May, he could leave for Missouri with Painter.
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That
would create an epic whirlpool of hate directed at Hummel/Painter and Morgan Burke
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't be mad at Hummel...
If Painter leaves and takes Hummel with him, Painter will deserve whatever ire we can heap on him.
But I couldn’t bring myself to be mad at Hummel. He’s been dealt a very raw hand, and if he believes Painter would be his best chance to making it at the next level, how could we fault him rather than sticking with an unproven new head coach and a new system?
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by Brad Warbiany on Mar 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They would have to have a masters degree that Purdue doesn't have
but hey it worked for Massoi (former Oregon QB)
Masoli. But point stands.
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"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
holy jeez
I would be outraged for you on that one.
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First off thank you for showing the glaring numbers of Purdue's athletic ineptitude
Albeit sad to see, I’m glad you’re not turning a blind eye to the lack of athletic success a place like Purdue has had. Part of me says had Purdue not been a founding member B!G they would have been forced out already.
I think that’s what infuriates me the most…
To your call once more we rally...
Oh boy
I just shit myself with that last little tidbit TMill….
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
me too
threw up in my mouth a little. I don’t know if it is a definite possiblity, but terrifying to think of.
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 28, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If that happened...
It goes from riot to full blown pandemonium. Seeing considering RA’s attendance when things arent going well, Mackey might suffer the same fate. Not to mention all the disgruntled donors and alumni support. The renovation would have to discontinue unfinished. (Okay, not really).
by Purdue_Pete on Mar 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
John
Over at Crimson Quarry I’m sure probably has a notebook with all this info labeled PurdueLOL’s
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
nope I'm in charge of that....
/scribbles fiercely in notebook
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# of Sports
Reason we haven’t added more men’s sports is Title 9. When women’s soccer was added, people had asked why not men’s as well? Reason was number of sports/scholarships allocated to men vs. women. #‘s have to be equal for men and women. Football gobbles up a lot of those. So you will have to disproportionally add women’s sports to add additional men’s to keep the ratios okay. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with that, but as a lot of the sports to be added won’t be money makers, you can see why we simply don’t keep piling additional sports on….
isn't the proportion 60% male 40% female?
I’m not sure about you but 40% x 40,000 = 16,000 women. You don’t think we have enough women to play more sports?
I think that’s faulty logic
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats why I never got that track scholarship I wanted..
Kind of true story.
by Purdue_Pete on Mar 28, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely dont think
That Hummel would be the kind of person to abandon everything here to join Painter at Missouri. Especially considering how much he always says Purdue means to him and the fact that he is really good friends with all the guys on the team. He’s also not getting an extra $700K-$1M by leaving to go to Missouri either…
But then again I never thought I would be talking about CMP leaving to go to a crap school with a crap basketball program either so what do i know…
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the shout out.
I believe attitude is so important in sports these days, especially in basketball where the talent gap isn’t that big anymore. My perception of the attitude difference between Butler and Purdue is Butler makes things happen and we wait for things to happen. I thought our moto was “Makers All.” Sure doesn’t seem that way sometimes. If we want to keep Painter, “Make” it happen.
Attitude
No one would like to see Purdue more successful in athletics than I would , as I have a lot more history of following the “heartbreak trail” of the football and basketball programs, in particular, than the vast majority of those who post here.
However, if that success comes with trying to make Purdue into “THE” Ohio State University West, then count me out. They can keep Tressel and his ilk, the one and dones of Matta, and all that comes with it. If and when Purdue wins championships, it will be with integrity or not at all.
Let's slow down just a little bit....
Sure, we don’t have a ton of championships. But I think that there’s something that we’re missing here. We have one of only 4 athletic departments in the country that are independent from the university when it comes to funding. In economic times like these, as states cut funding to primary and secondary school educators, I think we should be proud that our athletic teams are hurting other schools.
Also, I’ll agree with purduetim that while I would love love love it if we could break through, I’d rather do it properly, than win the way aO$U does…..
Good Point
It should be pointed out that the athletic departments funding is seperate from the university. It will never happen but I wish every school was held to the same standard. At the end of the day these schools exist to provide an education. Although, I suppose athletics support many educational ventures so perhaps they can co-exist. I guess the only problem with that is who is more important, athletics or education. In the case of OSU, it’s clearly athletics. At Purdue, it’s clearly education.
I never knew that Purdue ran their athletic program that way
I think it’s respectable… and that may be part of the reason why Burke is cheap. At the end of the day it truly seems that Purdue is is trying to be an Ivy League school in Indiana. I don’t know but I feel like this is the Hope effect.. with Burke et. al blowing smoke up our butts and rah rah-ing us knowing full well that we can never truly be in the same level as the teams in the rest of the B1G. Maybe Tiller had it right about us measuring expectations…
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Another Thought
Big Ten Network money. Don’t we get something like $22 million per year from the BTN? You can’t tell me we can’t afford another million to pay for our coach. Perhaps that is what is pissing Matt off. We get all this money and he can’t get shit for himself and his assistants.
where do you get that information from?
How do you know how many schools fund their athletics solely through the AD? What are the other 3 schools?
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
Hummel's plight
I don’t see how Painter could walk away from this young man. He’s given his heart and soul to this program. He’s given his knee, twice. For Painter to walk away from Robbie Hummel for 700k after all this kid has been through, I don’t see Painter in having much of a choice. He would almost have to bring Hummel to Missouri. How he could close his eyes and sleep at night- leaving him hung out to dry- would be beyond me.
If he goes, sack Burke. I do not like what I have been reading about Burke.
I never knew how much of a tightwad he is, among other things. Frugality is good, in most circumstances, but not here. If Painter goes, it’s going to be a long 5 years ahead of us.
Morgan Burke
http://www.purduesports.com/school-bio/pur-morgan-burke.html
on paper he seems like he’s been good for Purdue.
If we lose painter; do think it was MB’s hands that are tied?
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
Buddy Baker
Is the agent for both Painter and Martin. He tweeted this morning congratulations to Cuonzo and stated “this should be a very interesting week.”. WTF does that mean?!?! If Burke let’s Painter go and perpetuates the loser, mid major mentality (spot on, TMill), I for one will be calling for his head!!!!!
by One of these days on Mar 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
He is fanning the flames
Which is what a good agent does to get the current employer to pony up.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
wouldn't read into that too much
if Painter is going to get more money from Purdue, then Baker is doing a darn good job asking for it here.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not going to panic yet,
because we have not heard officially from Painter or MB, but if this complete disgrace is allowed to take place, I will do everything in my power financially to demonstrate my disgust. I hope many, many others follow suit. It’s the only thing they understand.
by Hummel's figurines on Mar 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
Painter would be a fool to walk..
When I was a freshman at Purdue (2004) in the dwindling Gene Keady era we were lucky if we had 1/2 of the student section filled for a Big10 game. By the time I graduated in 2008 you could feel that Painter had the program on the rise with the Baby Boilers. We upset Michigan State before a jam packed Mackey arena and it was the first time I felt Purdue Basketball was electric, the same sort of atmosphere that is standard now for nearly every home game from start to finish. Why would Painter leave a fully ignited student and alumni fan base just before top notch facilities are completed? You would think he finally has the essential recruiting tool that he has been missing to compete with the OSUs, Kentucky’s, and UNC’s of the country. None of these rumors make sense to me. Burke needs to be fired immediately if he loses Painter. We are far too strong of an alumni base to let this losing go on.
"The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team." - John Wooden
Painter hasn't won
an in-state recruiting battle in at least 2 years. Like it or not, IU is out-recruiting him right now, and he is also pressured from the likes of Illinois and Mich St. Perhaps he sees an opportuntity to strike while he a hot commodity, as its likely that the next year or two won’t see the same level of success.
Tyler Zeller? Branden Dawson?
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
we'll see how good Zeller and Dawson are under an underachieving coach
and how good Smotherman and Scott are under an evil genius
that’s what will really tell the tale.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Izzo underachieving?
No freaking way
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes way.
Look at all the under-utilized talent on that team this year. Payne is a 5 star big man that barely played. Roe is a 5 star forward that didn’t really develop. Lucious is a wasted 4 star talent. Nix and Sherman are 4 star talents that haven’t really developed. Chris Allen is a wasted 4 star talent. Summers has underachieved since all he does is chuck 3’s.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
You can't even be serious
Izzo seems like he’s in the Final 4 every other year…and he’s underacheiving? Yeah, he had a crappy year for him this year, but a crappy year still got him to the 2nd round in the Tourney.
1st round**
refuse to call the old first round the new second round.
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have to agree with you sir.
it will be the First Four in my book forevermore.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
my bad,
I was thinking of Cody Zeller at IU. hadn’t realized Dawson was an MSU signee
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are fine recruits
But really not absolute blue chippers we need to get over the hump (and don’t reply back with the “recruiting services” stats and ranking on these guys, bottom line is Matt has missed the TOP recruits)
Greg Oden? Mike Conley?
Marquis Teague, Eric Gordon, Hollowell, Yogi, Hanner Parrea, the list goes on and on and on…
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
My point exactly
the post was supposed to be under Purduematt…..we’ve missed HUGE opportunities over and over and over
But you can with T. Zeller
Granted, honestly I’d probably gone to UNC as well…but when you can’t CONSISTENTLY get great instate talent to come to Purdue…you won’t be able to build a program either
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Missing Zeller really hurt and he would have been a big piece of the puzzle. I can’t watch him and not think of what could have been. Having him, JJ, and Hummel would have been amazing.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Can't build a program with the BEST HS players in the Country?????
with all due respect, you guys dont get it
One and dones do more harm than good
Having a guy for only one year with his eye on the NBA the whole time isn’t good for building consistency with a college program.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Talent is just part of the equation
They have to be a good fit and buy into the coach’s philosophy.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
It is fun to dream
Although it doesn’t get us anywhere, but think if we got Zeller and Hummel didn’t get hurt. Starting 5 of Zeller, JJ, Hummel, E’Twaun, and Lewis. OMG.
Butler doesn't have get any Zeller, Gordon, Teague, Dawson, Plumlee
…and they are still doing just fine. Not getting the “top” recruit isn’t the end of the world, nor does it mean you can’t build a successful program.
Doesnt hurt though...
Oden and Conley seemed to of launches Ohio State and Thad Matta in the right direction.
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No I'm not
Those are the 5 star talent one and done guys that you want to build a program with.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
so final fours and championship games
do not build a program?????
GD! your head is in the sand
Cause Mullens and Koufos made so many Final Fours.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
two players out of twenty
and your point does not stick to anythiing
regardless, you brought up Kentucky before.
Notice how last year, despite having 5 1st round picks including the #1 and #4 overall, they got bounced in the Sweet 16, I think it was. This year, the concensus is they have less talent. And yet they are doing more. Stars, talent, whatever you want to call it, you need the RIGHT players for a team to work. Those aren’t always the biggest, strongest and fastest kids on the block.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
they are only the winningest fucking program ever…and have one of the best coaches ever
Who? You talking about Calipari?
Best recruiter? Maybe. Best coach? No way, not even close.
that doesnt even make sense
dont you think they wouldve just paid painter if that were an option?
stevens is a pipe dream, it aint happening
by Santos Sorrow on Mar 29, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ridiculous
Yeah, who wants those NBA level players on your team right? That’s no way to have a winning team at all. Much better to stock your team with a couple mid 80s 4 stars and a bunch of unranked 2/3 stars and “coach em up”. Geesh.
Besides its going to be
another 3 years before those guys show up. And those aren’t exactly world beaters, they are good solid players, but if you want to compete nationally you need players like that in EVERY SINGLE CLASS, not once every 6 years.
This wouldn't be a lateral move for Painter,
Purdue is a top 10 basketball program (No. 8), Missouri while a good program is only 29.
Rankings: http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
Don't really think Painter is going
to be basing his decision upon Saggarin rankings. That kind of stuff is for fans, not coaches.
Wow we have 2 years of shocking injuries, a bad ending to great season, and now this.
and Butler gets to Final Four two years in a row…if it wasn’t kinda funny, I’d cry.
Let Burke Know
The higher ups at the AD have public e-mails.
Here’s the top 3: mjb@purdue.edu, rlblalock@purdue.edu, treiter@purdue.edu
Let them know how you feel. I think if Painter leaves Burke should be fired. It would be one of the clearest examples ever of an AD being so tight with money that a program cannot be successful.
I think they know how the Purdue alumni think as of now
I don’t think emails will help
Besides I don’t want T-Mill to get into more trouble with the Purdue AD
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
they're publicly available...
… on a Purdue website. No one’s getting in trouble.
T-Mill requested not bombarding it as well
just relaying a message
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll say this
Purdue may not have a loser’s mentality. But they don’t have a champion’s mentality either…
To your call once more we rally...
Finally Tmill
I posted something similar to this article around Christmas. Purdue, as a whole, from athletic dept to fans basically have a loser, complacent mentality. Although I do think Matt has done well, I still feel the opportunity to REALLY up the program has been missed. He factually is not a top notch recruiter, which is based on my conversations with parents of top Indiana talent that has connections and were recruited by Matt. He just doesn’t have the same personality and perspective of the other coaches who get better players year in and out, including the coaches that people on here suspect cheat, just because they win big consistently and other coaches that are assumed clean. Maybe the athletic dept is his icing on the cake concerning all these factors that greatly affect the success of the program. Too many fans on here comment all the time about (not ripping you guys, honestly) winning the right way with the right players that fit the program. Well, by definition as stated by Tmill, the overall longterm result is always: WE ARE LOSING THE RIGHT WAY!!!!! Excuses have been made over and over about why we have our failures. Championships can NEVER be attained this way (ok, maybe Bob Knight, but he still had blue chip players 95% of the time). Problem for me is, I am soooo exhausted as a fan that I want to try something else, someother team, but the Fact is I can’t. I"m a fan forever and cannot help it.
I dont care if Matt leaves….We need a proven champion if we are ever going to get over the hump!!!
foolish
If someone like Painter leaves, what makes you think we can get (and pay) a “proven champion?”
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
I'm definatley not betting on it
more so expecting the same really….Burke is an MBA, not an athletic director. Just saying until that hire comes, if ever, things will not change
I'd say having an MBA is a plus
You have to understand business and economics to run an athletic department which is a business.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Well I'd say...
I want my fucking money that I donate to produce winners on a greater level and thats the respnsibility of the AD….businessman or athlete? I’ll take athlete…but most of our alumn do not think this way
tacky question
plus I have several employees who get on here….shhhhh
Sorry I have an MBA and I think his decision-making is horrible.
Having an MBA does not equal having business smarts or an ability to make good long-term business decisions. The people who run many of our industries have MBAs, and guess what, most of them are as short-term and stupid as they come.
And I realize by saying this that I come out looking like an idiot, but seriously – MBAs are overrated.
He keeps the athletic dept in the black
And he did it during tough economic times. That is not easy to do. That said, I am of the opinion that you gotta pony up and keep Painter.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
This fact is quite respectable
what was the numbers? Something like 15 of 300+ schools operate their athletic departments in the black.
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by sea.of.white on Mar 28, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of those schools are Big Ten schools though
So you gotta pick your metric appropriately
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
Agree with you PurdueMatt
he has done an awesome job of keeping the department in the black… along with improving facilities for all of the sports the last 5+ years.
But now you need to invest in the people. We had a chance to invest in Curry for Women’s BB… we now have a chance with Painter… don’t mess it up. I don’t want another Hopeless situation
To your call once more we rally...
MBA's are not overrated
There is a reason that having one will significantly improve your job prospects.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Correlation does not equal causation
Just because having an MBA correlates with improved job prospects doesn’t mean your business decision making improves, nor does it imply that those expectations are not overrated. If you want to refer me to research that proves that MBAs make better decision makers than those without MBAs, feel free to do so.
In fact some studies have shown that MBAs lead to better short-term outcomes but not better long-term outcomes.
Absolutely agree with you bdub, I think MBA is more of a networking thing.
I’m interested in seeing the studies you mentioned though.
You can tell me that the University has a loser's mentality. hell, in a few days I might agree with you.
But do NOT rip on the fans as not wanting to win. We want to win MORE than the team sometimes. IDK if you were on the VCU game thread, but anyone who read that cannot possibly think the fans don’t want, need a championship NOW.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
More depressing
University Of Chicago (hasnt been in B10 since the 40’s) – 1 NCAA national championships
University of Chicago- 73 big 10 championships
oh and… they had 19 varsity teams…
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
INSIDER
Painter contacted MIZZOU. That pretty much says it all.
He wants out or wants more $$$$$$!
The latest is…..they expect him to bolt and then we go after Lavin.
fine by me
Chicken panicking and "the-sky-is-falling" speculation ...
is like paying heavy interest now on a loan that you may not even owe.
Until proven otherwise, have some faith in our coach / player, can we? JJ declared for the NBA draft last year and everyone thought he’s gone. After Butler’s magical run last year everyone thought for sure he’d go to a big program that offered him lots of $. Even at East Lansing Izzo almost gone to Cleveland (if he could have gotten a hold of Lebron). Yet, everyone of them chooses to stay.
I don’t know what Painter will do. Of course I will be disappointed if he leaves. But until proven otherwise, can we please have some faith in our coach and support him? This kind of “fine, let him go” attitude is really not helping.
bullshit. what's loser-ish about that? You just hate painter
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have met Painter, and went to PU when he did
and know several mutual friends….he’s a great guy
I didn't mean personally. And you dodged my point. What was loser-ish about that post?
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, I've lost my "faith" after 3plus decades of having it
I just thought post was more of the same, accepting status quo
I think the OP was running down Painter before we know he's leaving.
And charles asked him not to dog on him before he actually does something to us. I’ll be as pissed as anyone if he goes, but let’s not declare him a nonperson until he actually stabs us in the back.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the source
that Painter contacted Mizzou?
I think the number is misleading...
If let’s say I am all-powerful and offer to make Purdue be a perennial national power in football, men’s basketball and women’s basketball, but the catch is that Purdue be cursed and doomed for PERPETUAL failure and at perennial rock bottom in every other sports such as soccer, baseball/softball, cross country, wrestling, volleyball, lacrosse, diving … will you take that offer?
My hunch is that a lot of people will! So while all else begin equal we sure want more championships, but the lack of TOTAL championships is not necessarily doomsday as long as we produce in the areas that we care most. Having said that, even in areas we care most we aren’t producing at the level we’d like, so to me, that’s what disappointing.
yeah I wouldn't care if we had only 15 championships
If 10 out of the 15 were in MBB/WBB/Football. Heck UCLA has 100+ championships…. I’m sure they only care about football, basketball, softball, and maybe men’s volleyball
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/article_95e4a9d2-594b-11e0-9b25-0017a4a78c22.html
He hasn’t met with them, but the "source says better than 50% chance will take offer…okay so how would this source know that? This reminds me of the Barlow/Smith debacle
This is ridiculous
I hate it when people just use “source says” and throw out random numbers like 50%. I don’t think ANYONE would know the likelihood except Painter himself. And these irresponsible reporting just fuel needless speculation.
Have some faith in our coach, can we? You’d think our coach should be at least better than Brad Stevens, right? There is MORE reason for Stevens to leave last year after their magical run than Painter: 1) he is coaching in Horizon League and not Big 10; 2) he will make A LOT more $ going elsewhere; 3) he will get A LOT better facilities; 4) he is losing his best player to the NBA; 5) it is an actual JUMP for him, not a lateral (at best) move …
and yet, he stays. So please, stop the nonsense for now. A man is innocent until proven guilty, and I believe in our coach until proven otherwise.
Mizzou fan here.
I have no inside information, and Painter could very well stay at Purdue. Frankly, the possibility of him coming to us has puzzled me from the start.
That said, it speaks VOLUMES that Painter has not issued a comment on this. It would be very easy for Matt Painter to stop this speculation. Having just been through this precise fire drill with our former coach, that he hasn’t is important.
I really do not wish this on any fan base, so you have my utmost sympathy. Of course, your coach is fabulous and I would thank our lucky stars if we managed to grab him.
I think he hasn't spoken just means ...
that he is at least considering the possibility. It’s like JJ declaring for NBA draft last year. I think it’s the right thing for him to at least explore. He owes it to himself. But at the end of the day, I feel that he’s gonna do the right thing (to follow what he truly believes in), and so I just hope we can stop the needless speculation for now and just quietly support him and wait for him to make his decision, much like what JJ did last year.
Or maybe he hasn't responded because...
…he’s on vacation with his wife and kids in florida and wants to enjoy spring break like everyone else.
Not responding to rumors is the M.O. around purdue. When barlow was suspended they let all kinds of crazy speculation go on for several days… in fact I don’t think they ever explained what happened.
him not responding to this is not out of the ordinary. speculate all you want though, everyone else is.
besides
Allowing this media wild-fire to go on does nothing but help Matt Painter’s position, even if he has no intention of leaving. Why stop something that only has an upside (upside being he gets better funding for himself and his assistants from purdue)
Does anyone honestly think
We could land someone like a Shaka Smart if Painter leaves? What does he make at VCU and would $1.3 mil be enticing to him? Cuz it seems thats all we are willing to pay…
I could see him as a guy that would retain our current commits for future classes and someone that young guys would love to play for.
He just seems like the most obvious “next man up” because Stevens and Lavin arent leaving and Lusk isnt ready to coach in the Big Ten sorry…
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
I don't get people saying Burke should be fired if Matty goes.
He should be fired for it getting to this point in the first place. This alone is enough to put him on trial for crimes against fans, but the state of our football team is a/the smoking gun. Guilty, maximum sentence, in my opinion.
Oof.
Twitter @benjabad
Agreed
Too much animosity directed at Painter and not Burke. Painter deserves to be paid market value for his services. A multiple Big Ten COY should be paid like it.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Don't stop with burke
Anyone in the athletic department that doesn’t fight to keep a coach like painter around needs to have their employment status re-evaluated.
If painter leaves my disgust will be directed towards the entire University.
Sure I’ll question painter’s character and motives if he leaves his alma-mater for money, but good luck to him. Purdue on the other hand, it would take quite an effort and a lot of time for me to be able to forgive.
Theory
Do the players already know?
Could this be why the basketball team fell flat on its face after the Illinois game?
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
Highly unlikely...
I think after the Illinois game it’s more about Barlow than speculation on Painter leaving.
Why would Painter semi-intentionally derail his teams success in the NCAA tournament
when the issue is getting paid? If I was looking for a raise, I’d want my resume to be as good as possible, and telling your team you’re abandoning them isn’t the way to get them to play their hardest.
Oof.
Twitter @benjabad
on twitter
The players seem to be in pretty good spirits. Havent mentioned anything about it which leads me to believe that he isnt leaving. Players would be the first to find out after Burke…
Anyone catch Kyle Molock’s tweet yesterday thought?
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
F'n A
This is the shit that saddens me.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats exactly what it was
And he tagged Jay Simpson and Raphael Davis in the tweet as well.
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
MP
I would not think he would let this think go to long as its a detriment to recruiting and the recruits he already has. Also, I dont see him “winning” too many recruting battles with Kansas for the blue chippers if he would go. Throw a little money at him and lets keep the ship going.
by clappy the clown on Mar 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
last night on sportsjam
they reported that Matt is officially top target and will be meeting with him
Missouri V Purdue
Only thing that Missouri more attractive is more money, so meet match that and go on.
by clappy the clown on Mar 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
Personal feelings about Morgan Burke
I don’t like him. The football program was going downhill for several years under Tiller and Burke chose to let Tiller finish out his career at Purdue rather than fire him. I wrote him as much several years ago when Purdue’s defense had become a laughingstock under Tiller, and we were beginning to see those results on the field. Where was the defense that had held a national champion squad OSU to 6pts for 4 quarters? MAC teams were putting up 37 pts a game against our D, and against good teams like OSU we got embarrassed.
Burke should have let Tiller go that very year and traded up for a better coach, but he didn’t. Why? Money – very obviously. And now we have Hope, who I’m not confident is anything other than a bad Tiller clone (maybe we’ll find out this year).
I think people should get used to being disappointed. Morgan Burke doesn’t seem to understand how long-term investments work. You have to put money in to get money out, and he doesn’t understand this at all, and probably never will. Being a tightwad only results in mediocre campaigns and mediocre results. The facility upgrade should have happened years ago – by years ago I mean 10, 15 years ago. Being 10 years behind the times is basically a staple of Purdue athletics, and yeah good luck with winning any national titles.
charlespig brought up a great point earlier:
It’s like JJ declaring for NBA draft last year. I think it’s the right thing for him to at least explore. He owes it to himself. But at the end of the day, I feel that he’s gonna do the right thing (to follow what he truly believes in), and so I just hope we can stop the needless speculation for now and just quietly support him and wait for him to make his decision, much like what JJ did last year.
Painter has earned the right to explore his options. Let’s hope he is just testing to the water right night to gauge the temperature. This is Matty’s one window in his contract to force a renegotiation, and obviously we all agree he deserves it. It’s just a matter of the AD paying up. If we match, there isn’t a doubt in my mind that he stays.
Oof.
Twitter @benjabad
He's Gone
Honestly I always believed painter would never leave. With his purdue connections and being a alum and former player. But with him setting up a meeting with mizzou its a done deal. He goin 2 hear the payment of 2 million plus a year and that’s all it takes. If painter was a purdue guy he would of squashed this proposal already. He wants money and purdue is not going 2 offer it. I guess we will see paul lusk on the sidelines next year.
I don't think Painter is as interested in money as support
He wants hisassistant coaches to get PAID. He wants some administrative assistants. He might have been a catalyst in some respects to get improved athletic facilities, I don’t know. But I don’t think it’s all about the money to Painter. I think he can’t run this program on his own and needs some guys who can stay for more than a year or two. He seemed burned out on the sidelines and I think having to do everything himself was taking its toll on him.
That's what I think
Money is one thing… but resources is another thing. I’m sorry but Purdue don’t see the whole picture athletically and academically honestly. There is a backwards set in Purdue… it pisses me off… but look at the other Big Ten Schools… we are usually 5 years to 10 years late. Case in point… the Co-Rec renovation. That should have been done years ago….
I think Painter is trying to say that he needs help and he needs his assistants to have resources as well. Why do you think he couldn’t get Dawson, or Zeller. Granted UNC and MSU have better success and history, but I’m sure they were more available as well.
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
perfect comment
hence Painter’s comment of something like “meeting to see if Mizz is COMMITTED to their BBall program”
I love how people say its not
about the money. How many have you have turned down something that would practically double your salary and give you better working conditions?
What the hell is going on the past two years?
How can one program experience so many blows? Injuries to critical players, flameouts in tournaments and now coaching move talk about the head coach the fans want to KEEP!
This is agonizing. After all the time/expectations invested in this season, if this goes down, it will be the biggest disappointment of all.
ummm this was the first year purdue did worse then expected in the tournament
and the team Purdue lost to made the final four and still has a shot at a national title
When I said tournaments, I was including the conference tournament as well
And lumping it in with all the other things going wrong for Purdue this year – football team wiped out, women’s player nearly dying from disease, etc.
This is so terrible
But, why should I expect anything less anymore. I give my die-hard support, argue my existence as an alumni and fan on every occasion, donate when I can, have the Purdue license plate, go to as many games as I can, blah blah blah.
Yet, I continue to get bent over by this school and its administration.
How long do they expect to keep us on the hook? I don’t know if I can take this crap anymore.
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
I'm kind of...
A young alumni (C/O 2008) but is this why the old people just never get excited, a perpetuating fuck you from the Purdue Athletic Department?
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a relatively 'old' alumn
and you’ve hit it square on
I'm 32
And grew up just south of Lafayette a die hard and then graduated in ‘03 after serving in the military. (Yes, I came home just to go to Purdue, I love it that much). They’ve been F’ing me over all this time…………………..Just a bit of success, enough to keep us interested, then the DAGGER to the heart. Regroup, Mix, repeat.
And I’m tired of it. I’m sure all of us are. I used to bitch about the old folks, who I am turning into, who gave mediocre support to the school’s athletics. Now I am learning why. Its like the never ending money pit relative thats’s always asking for a helping hand.
“Just a few bucks this time, I swear, and I’ll get back on track.” BULLSHIT.
Sometimes you have to cut the cord and walk away. If this shit happens, I won’t go to another game this year or anytime soon. I
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
hold up
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down. Give the man a couple of days to vacation with his family in peace. This will all be straightened out by the end of this week. I really don’t think Matt Painter is going anywhere. There is no turmoil between him and Burke. He likes coaching at Purdue and the challenge of recruiting against the likes of IU and Notre Dame. Matt Painter is our coach and will continue to be for years to come.
This article makes me question
Why I’m even a purdue fan in the first place. Kinda like being a cubs fan. Do you really think it’s ever going to pay off…history says no. So why keep torturing yourself? Purdue is a train that leads to nowhere, at some point you just need to get off…
by 4thandshort on Mar 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Damn I think I found a brotha from anotha motha
and I’m also a ‘taking a break Cubs fan’…….can’t invest anymore emotionally until something REALLY changes
Dude, we have a lot in common.
Die hard Boilermaker and a Cubs fan……………
Been watchin’ WGN since I was about 2 yrs old.
FYI-I actually burned my Soriano jersey last year. True story. I gave up-I can’t take it anymore……….
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
This.
I hate that the Cubs refuse to change anything. I will not pay any more attention to them until they put Hendry out on the street for good. They definitely have that loser’s mentality you’re talking about above.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I truly have taken a break from cubs since dodgers debacle and
have been thinking about it with PU. Now my 6yr old loves watchin Pu games and I’m starting to feel bad that I have molded someone the wrong way lol……to be clear tho, I have been very proud of Matt & co successes, but having so many good players CHOOSE other programs have left me to believe something is very wrong in WLaf and he will always be second, third, or now fourth with Butler in this overly resourceful bball state.
Yes me too after the Dodgers series
I mean the Cubs actually have resources, they just make terrible decisions. Purdue obviously does not and never will. You think the sports programs gets the money from jerseys and hats that are sold. Nope the university does, they own the brand. The Athletic Dept gets zero $ from the university AND not sure if many know this but have to give the university a certain % of its yearly revenue. SO you think the board really cares that much about sports?
All they care about is making Purdue known throughout the world and in doing so is abandoning its brothers and sisters in its own state. Purdue was founded for Indiana residents to get a better education and they keep on making it harder for that to happen. Might as well go private and call ourselves Southeastern!
Sports…egh…whatever…but we have a 12 million biometric schemoeter building that’s half empty because no one can afford to use it.
Purdue *is* known...
…throughout the world.
And every day, I thank the fact that a Purdue engineering degree and the prestige that comes with it has helped put me in the position I am.
I do think that Purdue should be fighting for Painter to stay, and should be putting some serious dollars on the table — it’s a good investment. But I’m happy that Purdue puts academics first, and will accept the implications of that.
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by Brad Warbiany on Mar 28, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i think bill murray says it best in stripes when he said...
" There’s something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us "- we’re boilermakers
To quote another Bill Murray movie, it just doesn't matter because...
“Even if we play so far over our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days. Even if God in Heaven above comes down and points His hand at our side of the field. Even if every man, woman, and child held hands together and prayed for us to win. It just wouldn’t matter because all the really good-looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk cause they’ve got all the money.” -Meatballs
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 28, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
GBI now confirming
That Painter will indeed meet with Missouri to “gauge the school’s commitment to the basketball program”
I just want an answer
Painter, Burke, somebody. Otherwise I am going to lose my job because this saga is killing my productivity…
Anyone in Indy that cares, Dakich is about to bestow us with his knowledge on the subject. 1070 the fan in 10 minutes.
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
Link
Here you go
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
well..
he just asked some dude his opinion…
said he would get more into it later.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Now
Saying if he left it would really shake up the Purdue fanbase.
No shit.
Follow me on Twitter @drktrs
BTFU
yeah
right after i posted that they started talking about it. Way to state the obvious of course this would shake up the Purdue fanbase. I hope they actually talk about things that might no be so obvious to the common person.
Here it is
“it means that Matt is very serious about leaving Purdue… very serious. Because again, in this day in age,you can get with a search firm, you can fly to Abilene,TX. usually it’s done in atlanta. you can meet somewhere where nobody knows it. and if you meet somewhere where people do know then you’re showing you’re serious.
he then says “i don’t think mattwill leave purdue.” but st. louis dispatch is saying matt will meet with missouri. the process doesn’t have to get public but it is. look, we can do this very privately… quote “i’m not real happy with the situation here, so i am going to figure out what the fan base thinks, put pressure on them…”
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BTFU
He is know questioning Purdue commitment to win
And saying Mizzou has committed to winning
Basically saying
If you are making the situation public you are telling everyone (your boss, fanbase, other side) that you are serious about leaving if some things dont change. Pretty interesting insight…
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
My point ever since I was 5 years old
of being committed, never has seemed that way to me, just getting by with a few small successes here and there
Basically just said all of the shit we said
Said nothing of substance, no real sources other than the St. Louis Dispatch reporting that they will meet.
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BTFU
probably worse than my odds of getting an A in my heat transfer class
I’m sure he’s got better things to read right now
no offense, TMill.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, had enough of listening to Jock Itch today
Let us know if he says anything worth repeating.
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BTFU
DJ Bryd
Told me today that he “wasnt sure” if Painter is leaving or not. He also said " he hasnt talked to anyone directly yet". So it seems like the players are in the same position we are as of right now. I took a screen shot of the short convo but which is just basically what I said above just in case no one believes me.
I think he stays
But ultimately if Purdue manages to lose Matt Painter to Missiouri I will have written my last check to the John Purdue Club. If we can’t manage to retain one of our own then what chance do we honestly have to keep anyone else here long term if they are successful. I thought Painter’s personaility and philosphy is a great fit for Purdue and that he would effectively be a “lifer.” If he leaves for what would be sligtlly less than a lateral move it is a very telling sign of his lack of confidence in the administration.
Agree totally
I will also be asking for the additional that I donated for the Mackey Project to be refunded. As long as Morgan Burke is intent on making Purdue the home of mediocrity (at best), I will no longer donate a cent. Too bad I can’t also refuse to donate time, energy and emotions into Purdue athletics. Unfortunately, I was born with this birth defect of being a Purdue fan and there is no cure. I will try my darndest to get rid of the deficiency!! I am 35, if I make good time, maybe I can choose a winner to back that will provide me with a championship before I die- Purdue won’t at this rate.
Last check to JPC and Purdue U.
I also will not take my 8-10 trips down from Chicago every year for Football/Basketball games (4 tix, parking, concessions, etc.). If enough others follow suit, MB will learn what a poor retention decision can mean to the bottom line.
by Hummel's figurines on Mar 28, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
not that it changes much...
but here’s a breakdown of Big Ten Championships as of spring 2009 PER varsity sport offered today (not including hockey teams-to-be).
it doesn’t change a whole lot, but it puts Purdue 4th to last instead of dead last. it also makes Ohio state look not-a-whole-lot-better-than-us. which I can live with.
Michigan 13.88
Illinois 10.86
Wisconsin 7.83
Indiana 6.75
Minnesoota 6.70
Ohio State 5.29
Iowa 4.33
Purdue 3.72
Northwestern 3.63
Michigan State 3.24
Penn State 1.72
To your call once more we rally....
ehh
I like your logic, but you need to bring in the amount of years each school has been eligible for those said championships.
That probably brings us to last again.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
but i’m far too lazy to dig that deep. so that’s all you get :)
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A fellow statman I see
I literally have an Excel window up with that same calculation in it. And I agree with the other poster that you need to look at the Big Ten Championships per year per sport. Anything else is data manipulation.
Also, for what it’s worth I don’t think Painter is going, but this is what you do to get a little leverage; especially if you have an agent in your ear saying, “make ’em sweat.”
by PU03 on Mar 28, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because I'm a fan and I could sleep last night here a few names I thought of to replace Painter if the time comes
Outside those that have been tossed around already
Lorenzo Romar-Washington-I don’t think he leaves though
Sean Miller-Arizona-Does he want to get back to the Midwest?
Herb Sendek-ASU-Has left a ACC job before
Mark Turgeon-Texas A&M-Similar style, Texas overshadows A&M way more than IU overshadows Purdue
Scott Drew-Baylor-Most think he’s dirty, but does he want to get back to Indiana
Buzz Williams-Marquette-Mentioned other places plus Crean vs Williams would be a great story line
Chris Mack-Xaiver-Look at what other former X coaches have done
how about....
Bob Knight..
that’d be a HILARIOUS headline
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That would settle it. The Mayans would be proven right and the world would end in 2012.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
others
Shaka Smart – VCU
Ben Jacobson – Northern Iowa
Glenn Robinson – Why the hell not?
Paul Lusk – Bleh
Robbie Hummel – Player/coach???
Morgan Burke – To save some cash
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
start the campaign
For Robbie Hummel player/coach!!!!!!!!!! www.hirerobbiehummel.com lets get this bus rolling haha.
Morgan Burke as hoops coach?
Ted Turner was actually in uniform managing the Braves back in the 80’s. At least he learned how much he didn’t know about baseball and quickly got out of the dugout.
"Life is hard. Wear a cup"
- Dennis Miller
Chris Kramer, while we're at it.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He does a lot of negative recruiting against other schools
Other Big 12 coaches can’t stand him.
Read this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncb/columns/story?columnist=caplan_jeff&id=4979714
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Naw
Purdue won’t pay for any of those coaches. If there not goin 2 pay painter they wont go pay alot for someone else. purdue is staying in house. Paul lusk possibly.
Beat me to it
If we can’t keep Painter it’s because we couldn’t pony up. And that means a no-name or assistant coach will be leading the Boilers next season. This is put up or shut up time for Burke.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It may not be that bad ... reminds me of Nell Fortner and Carolyn Peck
When Lin Dunn was fired we hired Nell Fortner, and she did a surprisingly good job for the women’s team. Then she left and we hired Carolyn Peck, an assistant to Fortner, and she led us to a champion. So promoting from within is not too bad, but not paying up when the coach demonstrated success and let them go is.
I just don't want to turn into a farm system
For bigger name programs that actually pay their coaches what they’re worth. It’s already bad enough being an Indians fan.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the Yankees farm system? lol
Could be worse. You could be the Pirates and be everyone’s farm system.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Key difference
The Pirates rarely have talent worth taking. The tag line on sportsCenter used to be “Former Indian, now good.” LeBron was simply the most publicized of the talent exodus from C-town. Over the last few years, it’s been Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia, Manny Ramirez, Victor Martinez, Brandon Phillips… The list goes on but beyond that point I black out for a while.
I’m one of the few Indians fans happy to see Sizemore struggle lately with performance and injuries. I named my dog after him and if he goes to Boston or NY, I’ll either have to change his name or send him to the shelter.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Mar 28, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to demean your pain...lol.
But as a Cubs fan, I’ve watched a hopeless GM like Hendry raid the Pirates. The Ramirez deal in particular comes to mind. And they do have a few good players like Bay or Aramis Ramirez. I think McClouth or whoever it was that went to Atlanta can be pretty good too.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we know for sure if Burke was on board with Painter's hiring?..
I mean obviously Keady hand picked him, but I thought Burke wasn’t all in on Painter…is this maybe his opportunity to let Matt go and get more of who he wants (Keady’s first year fully away from the Purdue program)? (Still cheap..of course)
I seriously doubt it
although she makes an effort to attend games and she references the team’s success when she makes public addresses.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is an interesting question that I have struggled with
Around Purdue, I sometimes get the impression that certain forces in the administration think there is some sort of choice to be made between either being a preeminent research/academic institution or a successful athletic program. And when faced with that choice, we always seem to tilt towards research.
I don’t agree that such a choice has to be made, we can look at MIch and OSU within the conference to see examples of schools that have been successful at both.
do away with the independence then.
The results clearly show academically and athetically: Independent AD has failed right?
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So the way this sounds....
Painter is telling Morgan Burke and the Purdue Athletic Department to get their shit together or he is gone.
Reading between the lines, you can see that he wants more resoureces, and better pay for his asistants.
I actually feel a little better about this. I hope that Burke gets a wake up call from this, no matter how it turns out.
Exactly
I’m sure it has more to do with getting more resources and money for his assistants than it does money for himself. Painter probably recognizes that in order to keep up with the MSU’s, OSU’s, and IU’s, we need to be competing on a level playing field. Updating Mackey Arena is a HUGE step in the right direction but now we need to ensure we have the best assistants and supporting staff.
I can also point out that this story has really killed my productivity at work. That and I am tired from having a 6 month old at home who won’t sleep and a terrible cold. I can’t wait for this to be over with.
I think this whole thing
is going exactly how Painter wants it to go. Every fan pissed and scrambling and putting pressure on Burke and the athletic department to get their heads out of their asses.
If you do't think that Burke has heard from fans yet....
you’re crazy. He knows what is going on with the fan base.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I've emailed him as well....
lol….but that is a drop in the bucket. I told him that I really hope that he was committed to Purdue Basketball.
I would hope that they’d cancel our football program before they made cuts to the basketball program.
On A Side Note...
Do people think recruits read this site or others like them? The passion and intensity with which people are replying is mind boggling. I hope this shows how much our fanbase cares about this program and how much we respect Coach Painter. On the flipside, it might also show our lack of faith in Morgan Burke and the athletic department. Sites like this could be useful recruiting tools in the future. I have to believe recruits look at this sort of thing, I know I would.
the recruits are on twitter
I’m not sure if they follow @hammerandrails, but it may trickle to them from others.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news... JJ was named AP 1st team All-American
Let’s congratulate JJ on this achievement
To your call once more we rally...
Per Purdue's website
" Purdue senior forward/center JaJuan Johnson was named a first-team All-American on Monday by the Associated Press, making him the Boilermakers’ first consensus All-American in 17 years. "
Quote by JJ
“The only thing I wanted to do that we didn’t get done was go to the Final Four. Other than that, we got it all done.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6266765
I thought goals included a B1G regular season and tourney championship. That said, nice props for JJ.
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- Dennis Miller
Fuck, Ill drive from Iowa City to WL everyday to make breakfast
if it means keeping this coaching staff.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Please...
Purdue gets $22 MILLION DOLLARS per year from the BTN. Add in ticket revenue, concessions, merchandise, etc and you have more than enough money to give Painter a raise. I can’t imagine the money is distributed evenly amongst the sports so I imagine there is plenty of money for basketball, especially since we only have 18 scholarship sports.
Then find it! What exactly would be a higher priority than this!?
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe there is something we can do.
If anyone has the right kind of connections, we need to alert some of the higher JPC members of what’s going on. If someone has the right connections…the money could be found if it has to be done that way.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
We might need help from the Red Cross
which is funny in a really dark way.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
please text *1234
and give $10 to the Purdue Athletic Dept Disaster Relief Fund ( followed by images of the major disappointments of the last half century)
Oh, and if anyone wants a great laugh
follow @FakeMorganBurke on Twitter.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
haha. gave it a look.
hilarious.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not....
I’m @BoilerOfLegend…but I die laughing at all of his tweets.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I like "his" Holiday World tweet
I use to work there!!
The Holiday World tweet was awesome..
..and I still work there part time..haha
Sweet..not a bad place to work..
..speaking of work…i need something to take my mind off of this shit!
Keady on the radio at 5
Coach Keady will be on JMV the ride on 1080 the fan at 5. They will talk about the Painter situation.
I want to hear this. Can you give me the link to listen online?
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
Lets face some likely facts if we lose Painter, an Alumni of Purdue to Mizzou.
Not to be offensive towards mizzou but you could consider that school a lateral move (in basketball, it could be argued it’s a negative move) in a conference who’s foundation is suspect at best. That tells every “good” prospective coach were not a good employment opportunity for them. You’re left with hiring former assistants which could be striking gold; or a decade of mediocrity/cellar dwelling.
Why would any coach come to Purdue if we can’t even pay Painter and his assistants what they demand? They’re clearly succeeding. Loyalty only goes so far, but if youre getting screwed thats not loyalty, that’s dumb.
If we lose painter, you can forget about any decent coach.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You shouldn't smoke weed
so early in the day.
Does Painter not understand that if he is able to lead us to the promise land
Will build a goddamn shrine to him outside Mackey, hell we will rename the entire building after him?
the straw that breaks the camel's back
I don’t know… after all of the expectations riding on the baby boilers, and this being one of our best chances to win it all – if MP left it might finally be the one thing to get me to really not care so much about purdue sports any longer.
there’s nothing to look forward to in football, i barely even take note of when the games are anymore.
and if we lose a major piece of what has made basketball exciting, i think i may be done with black & gold for a while.
Well if Purdue has a loser mentality... so does Missouri...
Purdue’s Numbers:
- of sports offered: 18
- of Big10 Championships: 67
- of national championships: 4 (Last women’s was in 2010, last men’s was in 1961)
Missouri’s Numbers:
- of sports offered: 18
- of conference championships: 73
- of national championships: 2 (Baseball in 1954 and Men’s Track and Field in 1965)
Seems as the schools have a similar mentality. . . .
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Expect on is willing to pay and one isn't
And one schools athletics is trending in the right direction and the other isn’t. What to guess if there is a correlation?
Showing the money
Here is, in order, the annual salary of all the Big Ten basketball coaches for this past season season: Izzo, Ohio State’s Thad Matta ($2.4 million), Crean($2.16), Minnesota’s Tubby Smith ($1.8 million), Michigan’s John Beilein ($1.6 million), Illinois’ Bruce Weber ($1.5 million), Wisconsin’s Bo Ryan ($1.5 million), Purdue’s Matt Painter ($1.3 million), Iowa’s Fran McCaffery ($1.1 million), Northwestern’s Bill Carmody ($1.1 million) and DeChellis.
Izzo and Eddy
$3 million for H to the Izzo
$642,000 for DeChellis
by BustedStuff22 on Mar 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Assistants
It sort of seems that one of issues is about getting his assistants more money. I understand he might want some more for himself but from what I have been hearing on 1070 the fan the idea of assistant pay seems to be a major concern.
Absolutely Agreed
I think this is the biggest thing…..I honestly don’t think Painter cares if he is making $1.3MM or $2.0MM…has to be for his guys…I think Lusk not taking the NIU job means that he either gets more money at Purdue as assistant or head coach chance if Painter leaves…Painter is one of the class acts in basketball…his interview on the Dakich show earlier this year was unreal…he said more than once how lucky he was to have Purdue (and not the other way around)….I have never heard CMP say a bad word about anyone…
someone let us know
What Keady has to say on JMV. I will be on a plane with 0 Wi-fi and won’t be able to follow. Hopefully the old SOB announces he is leaving St. Johns to come back to Purdue if “Matty” leaves…
We will name the court after him if he does….oh wait.
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Painter is one of us
I’ll admit I’m likely not following the situation quite as closely as many of you, but based on what I know it sounds like Painter is trying to get the Purdue athletic department on board with making Purdue basketball an elite national program or he’s gone. He wants what we want.
When is the last time you remember a Purdue coach talking national titles? Since the day Painter was hired, I immediately took notice of how he talked about national titles and final fours. It was refreshing. Tiller and Hope usually could be found saying something to the extent of “being competitive in conference”. Even Keady couldn’t be heard talking about winning national titles. It’s great we won a lot of Big Ten conference titles under Keady, but what is that really worth at the end of the day? I’d much rather have one or two final fours or a national title than a handful of conference titles.
If Painter leaves, I won’t be mad at him at all. It sounds like he’s trying to get our basketball program to a level I’ve been hoping Purdue athletics would reach since I knew what Purdue was.
sorry to hear the news guys...
I like coach Painter and i thought he would be staying at Purdue for lifelong and I cant understand why he would move.
looks like the move may be imminent..
This isn't over.
Wait and see if Purdue makes any kind of move.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Calm down man
You know as much as the rest of us…which is barely anything.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you always have insiders...
who’s to say we shouldn’t scrutinize you just as much as the media for not naming your sources?
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
even if he took the job in missouri...
he doesn’t have to move there the next day.
lol weirdo.
My word, we are emo today.
I can’t believe people seriously think that not having men’s fencing or women’s gymnastics in our athletic program and that our cross country teams haven’t won national titles have anything to do with Matt Painter potentially leaving for Mizzou. Ooh, Mizzou’s baseball team won the CWS in 1954! It’s obviously a more desirable basketball coaching position!
I wish I could understand the part of being a fan that apparently requires us to fret over minutiae like details of a coach’s contract negotiations, but I just can’t. You root for the team to win and if they don’t, you move on. You root for the coaches and players, and if they leave, you root for the new ones. I don’t know about the folks who root for Purdue by family association or whatever since I didn’t grow up like that, but I’d like to think those of us who went to Purdue did so not for its athletic history, but for its academic reputation… rooting for the sports teams are just a byproduct of our experiences there.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Hahah
This was my exact thought when I read this post. Its completely irrelevant to the MBB program and the head coach.
Yes
For the record, MU has 18 varsity sports as well. Maybe as a bargaining chip in the Painter negotiations, they’ll pick up men’s volleyball and field hockey to make it 20! Oh noes!
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Valid points all around
I just think we just want a sense of athletic pride. We’re proud with our academic standing. We just want more… lol
To your call once more we rally...
Are you not proud
…of having the most Big Ten basketball championships? There are a lot of black banners hanging in Mackey. I’m pretty darn proud of that.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Hence why I said "We just want more"....
Human nature to want more…especially when we’ve experienced having the most BT championships…
To your call once more we rally...
The players on twitter are like... just stop the negativity
We should do the same…
Just calm down. If it happens it happens… but just calm the frick down
To your call once more we rally...
I know the players that we have will still play hard no matter who is coach.
Players like Lew and Rob I know I can count on.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And what if
Hummel followed Painter to Mizzou?
That is borderline insane.
Even I’m calm enough to know he wouldn’t do that.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL....that sounds like the
posts of last week talking about the Painter to Mizzou rumors. I didn’t bring it up, the writer of this blog did.
Don't be ridiculous.
Hummel is from Valpariaso, if he wanted to play some place as far away as Missouri he would have had plenty opportunity to do so while being recruited in highschool. He may be loyal to painter, but he only has 1 year left and he’s built quite a brand for himself locally in Indiana.
Going to missouri has no upside as far as increasing his draft potential, and he would be moving away from family that he has lived very close to for the last 4 years.
even speculating that hummel would leave as well is asinine.
After the loss?
Cuz I wasn’t all good back then….
It will all be over soon....
Painter and Mizzou will meet sometime in the next 24 hours. By Wednesday it will all be over with one way or another, maybe even before then….
Keady says...
It would be a shock to him if Painter decides to leave. He doesn’t think its going to happen.
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Hmmmmm
Keady also says he thinks Matts decision wouldn’t be based on money so much as “other things”…….?
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Eric Blumberg from KOMU:
KOMU has learned the #Mizzou job is #Purdue’s Matt Painter’s if he wants it. A decision is expected by Wednesday.
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KOMU = TASS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraph_Agency_of_the_Soviet_Union
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Anyone know where Matt lives?
I’m thinking about 16,000 members of the Paint Crew need to stop by and scream, yell, serenade and otherwise entice Matt to make up his mind TONIGHT !! :) LOL
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the paint crew doesn't quite have even 5000 members
but i like your attitude.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Coach Keady, earlier with Gary Parrish of CBS
Stated Matt “wants a situation where (he can win titles). The administration has to step up”. He just reiterated much that same point (the “other things”, not money comment I mentioned above) with JMV on 1070 a few minutes ago.
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so, correct me if I'm wrong
Painter wants better pay for his assistants so they stay around longer
Assistants = better recruiting
ipso facto: National Championship.
Hey Morgan Burke… guess what! GO DO WHAT HE ASKS!
Keady is nuts....LOL
JMV asked him if he wanted to stop by radio row at the Final Four and Keady asked “You have any money?” LMAO.
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Can you imagine Gene in a NYC apartment
with that friggin yappy dog?? No wonder he spends so much time at the gym.
"Life is hard. Wear a cup"
- Dennis Miller
I heard on a profile on NPR just before the tourney
that Keady left the poodle at home.
By home, I don't know if you meant WLaf or the NYC apartment
but the pooch had a guest spot on the radio today.
"Life is hard. Wear a cup"
- Dennis Miller
Apparently...
Purdue AD Morgan Burke has met with head coach of Indiana State… http://koonskollegebball.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/matt-painter-and-purdue-futures/
If this news is accurate.. that is a bit frightening.
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Haha, yea I know..
but, I am just passing it along.. not saying it is accurate.
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you can.. his email address is public.
but there’s a very low possibility of it changing anything. he’s got a track record of responding very diplomatically (read as: offputting)
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 28, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be worth noting...
still nothing on ESPN. Anything about Painter is in their rumors section.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
They had a rumor update early in the morning but nothing else since
Just said that we would know by Wednesday if Painter was going to take a job. No report of Painter meeting with Mizzou for Insider/Sportscenter/ESPNews
I think teh Greg Lansing stuff is bullcrap btw
haven’t seen any respectable outlet report that he was in west lafayette
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Update
Source: Painter spotted at Borders Store Liquidation sale buying “A Visitors Guide to Columbia, MO”. My cousins brother-in-laws nextdoor neighbor works at the Borders store he was at….credible source.
WERE SCREWED!!!!!
Koonskollegebball should definitely report this along with all the other credible info they have.
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He then was beaten over the head and concussed by Kelsey Barlow, and his falling body landed on Ryne Smith, tearing his ACL.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is an update
ESPN1450 ESPN Radio 1450
by BoiledSports
#Missouri AD will bring paperwork for #Painter to sign. Doubt Matt would agree without giving #Purdue chance to counter. Or maybe not …
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My main fear
has nothing to do with next year’s team…but its that if Painter leaves our future commits will likely scatter like flies….
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
they will
For sure if we hire a nobody.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If
we would have gotten Cuonzo Martin before he went to Tenn. I wouldnt be worried about our future recruits b/c I believe that Zo would have been able to keep them. Obviously this doesnt matter now b/c Zo isnt coming here. So now I also share your fear of commits scattering
Dear Mr. Daugherty,
Thank you for you note. I appreciate your candor. Your note is not the first of its kind today, as I’m sure you can imagine.
The Purdue Alumni Association has existed as an independent, self-governing voice of alumni for over 130 years. Inasmuch, today I had the opportunity to visit with our university leaders to express our collective desire to keep our basketball program on-track. Whether we will see our desired outcome is to be seen, but your Alumni Association is dedicated to being the representative voice of alumni.
I hope you will reconsider your membership for you and Kristina. By being members, you will help your Purdue Alumni Association deliver on it’s mission of seeing Purdue prosper over the long-haul.
My best to you both and Hail Purdue!
-Kirk.
_______________________________________
Kirk Cerny
Executive Director & CEO
Purdue Alumni Association
Wait, what did you say in your email?r
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
That was his response
I told him basically – no more money from us until Morgan Burke, the Athletic department, and the University were dedicated to a great basketball program.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
His E-mail?
I’d like to add my voice to the dissent
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish I would have added...
give up football before we concede anything we need for our basketball program.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That's idiotic
Think of the revenue that brings in. A bad football program is one of the reasons this is an issue (lack of $)
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it's idiotic
but my point is – this is a basketball school. Like it or not.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad to call Kirk a friend of mine through my interaction with him from an organization on campus I'm in
and he’s a pretty genuine guy. as he noted, the Purdue Alumni Association is totally independent from the university. what I think he really means here is that the best he can do is voice his concern to the AD and board members/president Cordova. beyond that, it’s totally out of his hands, in my opinion.
His voice is heard though, when he speaks up, so I don’t think his plea will fall on empty ears.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The Fort Wayne Sentential is reporting that
Painter is leaving for Mizzou and Lusk will be his successor …. ?!?!!?!?!?!? WTF?
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I know!
I don’t know what to believe anymore. This is getting out of hand. It is freaking me out.
Site Manager at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Once again...
Let’s hear it from the horses mouth
If we learned anything from 2 weeks ago it’s this.
“Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me”
To your call once more we rally...
Its not an article..
this dude broke the news on twitter… http://twitter.com/#!/xblandx …. if you click on @tom101010 … he is the sports editor at The Fort Wayne Sentential … I don’t know how credible he is.. just thought I would pass it along… but I mean.. why would the sports editor say it if he didn’t think it was true?
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Why would a sports editor in Fort Wayne know before anyone else? Same reason the idiot from the local news in Missouri know before everyone else. Sounds like bollocks to me.
Oof.
Twitter @benjabad
These news sources...
keep giving me heart attacks. When will the madness end?
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Until the torn ACL sings.
I’ll believe it when I see someone credible deliver the news…GBI.com, Journal & Courier, ESPN, etc.
Oof.
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This doesn't make any sense...
because I don’t think Purdue would simply promote Lusk that fast. I know Burke will at least evaluate his options.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But then again....
Others are still saying he has yet to interview .. can we believe any news source anymore?
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Maybe we should stop looking at Twitter!
by Boiler314 on Mar 28, 2011 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm done for a while now.
I like my H&R buddies a lot more anyway lol
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha...has anyone noticed that H&R
has literally turned into a Matt Painter Situation: Open Thread
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
get. that. shit. out. of. here. And never, ever bring it back!
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Bye Bye
I guarentee painter is gone. Paul lusk is our COACH next year. Watch!
thoughts
First off, barely any real facts have been presented. What we know, and what has been confirmed is this:
-Missouri needs a new head coach
-Missouri is going after Matt Painter, why wouldn’t they, we should be flattered.
-Matt Painter makes roughly 1.3 mil a year at Purdue (btw, why does no one research the difference in cost of living, 2mil in columbia might not be the same as 2 mil in W. Laf – who knows)
-Missouri was going to offer their previous coach 2 mil to stay.
that’s all that I have seen as confirmed, as in a named source… not ‘anonymous source that some other media outlet mentioned one time on a twitter that was about a conversation they had with an “insider”’…. The rest is speculation based upon speculation based upon more speculation and is something that only fools would base their reactions on.
the problem I have is that the longer this rumor wild-fire is allowed to burn, the more it illuminates the problems at purdue. those problems being 1. that the AD is cheap. 2. they aren’t willing to do what it takes to win. 3. they let an alumn coach walk, what does it take to get them to like a coach enough to fight for them to stay?
I fear that the longer Purdue and/or Painter goes without saying anything, the more damage it does to Purdue’s image – and unless it gets swept under the rug quick, who knows how it will affect things in the future.
Just imagine if any recruits were on the fence about to make a decision in their minds, and then this situation plays out for weeks… perhaps another school with some perceived stability starts to look more attractive. With recruiting in indiana already tough, I don’t want to risk this media-frenzy doing anything to hurt our future prospects.
Maybe twitter will crash and be unusable for a few days. I think that is one of the best things that could happen at this time.
The problem is...
we can lose these prospects simply because Painter leaves.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
but at this point, even if he stays, this whole mindfuck on the part of Purdue and painter does nothing to help recruiting.
Not necessarily
It isn’t like any big-name recruit we are after is gonna commit to other school in the next few days. If by Wednesday the dust settles that Painter is staying, then there is really no difference. In fact, if Painter comes out with a strong statement that he is staying b/c Purdue is committed to the basketball program, then it can only help the confidence of the recruits that this is the place to be and Painter is someone whom they can trust b/c he pass the “money temptation test.”
Sometimes it just isn't about money.
And when I say that, I’m not saying that Painter will do it for less.
I’m saying that sometimes you like your boss a lot more. That could certainly be the case at Mizzou.
Look, frankly I think Morgan Burke is a subpar AD. In fact I think he’s bottom of the barrel. A numbers guy who doesn’t understand fundamental investments in people, what sports money means overall for the school, etc. Now for Painter, a guy who I think most would agree is a class act, to not like Burke, says a lot about the guy.
Now let’s say he meets this new AD, someone who is not only willing to pay more, to put more into his support system, and who truly values his contributions as a coach, has the right mentality to enable Purdue to do his thing without a lot of managerial oversight micromanage bullshit.
Yeah so if I got offered that, I would leave too. Sorry, that’s the sad truth. I don’t view Painter as a traitor. I view our fucking AD and the Purdue University leadership.
You've got a good point....
but there’s no “truth” at all yet. It’s all speculation.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. I know nothing about this whole deal.
I have no idea what will happen.
All I know is that this AD isn’t afraid to let his sports programs take a big fucking nosedive. See: Purdue football, women’s college bball.
Not gonna lie;
if we lose him. I want to see some rioting on campus asking for Morgan Burkes Head.
I want to see that guy FIRED.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
it all depends on what painters priorities are
Even if its some hidden motive, if he leaves for missouri he will forever be thought of as a guy who followed the money. And if he’s after bigger paychecks, what makes Missouri his final destination?
I don’t think painter will find that glory comes easier in Missouri. Besides if Basketball is your game, where else would you want to become a legend than in the Hoosier state? Ok so I would understand if he was contemplating a move to one of the old-money blue-blood schools with a steeped tradition of winning NCAA championships, but that is certainly not the case here.
besides. if not Missouri...
then someone else will come knocking eventually.
Even if he decides to stay, the problem won’t go away until there is a paradigm shift in the athletic department, something to get them to re-prioritize. I’m all for “winning the right way”, but if purdue is going to draw a line in the sand and say we are all about academics and we will never spend money to win championships, then they should just come out and say it so we can all find another team to pull for. If painter leaves, maybe that is exactly what they are saying. Which would be highly disappointing but being a self-deprecating purdue fan I would probably end up rationalizing it away as me somehow deserving the heartbreak.
I say replace Burke if this fails.
New leadership could do wonders for us…in all sports.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Cost of living
If anything, Columbia is a little bit cheaper to live in than West Lafayette, though the difference may be negligible. Missouri has some of the cheapest gas in the nation right now for whatever reason, and that keeps costs of everything down.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Mizzou, if Painter is acquired
shall henceforth be infected with the ACL Curse!!!
Lavin and Keady had one of their best players tear their ACL right before the tournament. All it takes is a Purdue connection.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
According to NY Daily News
Painter is gone to the tune of 7 years, $14 million. Thanks for ruining our program Morgan
lol
there is nothing on there about Matt Painter or purdue. nice try though, jackass. at least nothing in the last couple days, which would make it invalid anyways.
Haha alright
Don’t believe me. You’re gonna feel pretty stupid when it’s all over the news in about 5 minutes
1) Via the other commenter, there is nothing on there – again, if there were a credible report, it would be on there.
2) Twitter is not news.
3) Twitter is not news.
4) Twitter is not news.
Got it?
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Also, most obviously
5) Some beat reporter in New York would not be the one breaking this story.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
The source is Dick Weiss
Who’s covered college basketball for over 40 years. I’d say that’s a pretty credible source
I don't care how long he's covered college basketball
IF Painter is eventually hired, the report would come out of one of the following: Columbia, Lafayette, or perhaps Indianapolis, St. Louis, or even Kansas City.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
He's not breaking a story
He’s tweeting rumors, which he probably got from the same sources people are citing on here. It’s a vicious circle. I want someone to say they heard it from a member of the Purdue or Mizzou athletic department.
By the way....
have Mizzou and Painter met yet?
I thought that was tomorrow?
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
lets recap
you provided a link.
i clicked the link.
I used my eyeballs to read all of the text on that page
I even hit CTRL+F and used the search function and searched for such things as “painter” or “purdue”
guess how many results i found?
none…
congratulations on being silly.
here is the contents of the link you providede
http://twitter.com/NYDNDickWeiss
Weiss: Mid-major madness hits Final Four http://nydn.us/hRjLJ7
about 7 hours ago via twitterfeed
vcu, butler more proof non bcs teams are not mid majors, just teams playing well in march
about 12 hours ago via web
14,000 vcu fans watched rams upset kansas on tv at the seigel center. terrific home town support. broad st. must have been wild.
about 12 hours ago via web
uk g brandon knight will go down as one of the great closers in uk history.
about 12 hours ago via web
greggdoyelcbs Steven Pearl stuff here RT @JerodMSF: Vols fans knee-jerk reaction to Cuonzo Martin hiring http://ow.ly/4ns9M
about 12 hours ago via TweetDeck
Retweeted by NYDNDickWeiss and 9 others
still like the idea of mark price/noodles neal co coaches at ga tech
about 12 hours ago via web
expecting ut f tobias harris to declare for nba draft
about 12 hours ago via web
first time no 1’s in ff since 2006. ky first team to lose no. 1 pick and make it to ff the next year since va, year after ralph left.
about 12 hours ago via web
time to consider re-seeding final four. vcu vs. butler, ky vs. conn. not sure how two of three games in houston will play on tv
about 12 hours ago via web
cuonzo martin names new ut coach. chris mooney of richmond signs 10 year extension to remain at richmond. good fit for a good kid.
about 12 hours ago via web
ky 76,unc 69. this is one of john calipari’s best coaching jobs ever. 1993, 1996, 2009
about 12 hours ago via web
Weiss: Bulldogs are hardly underdogs http://nydn.us/gviFsw
2:53 AM Mar 27th via twitterfeed
brad stevens lost glasses in chest bump celebration.
8:08 PM Mar 26th via web from South Loop, Chicago
a giddy butler g ronald nored on ff: "Saturday we’re expecting to win and monday we’re expecting to win.:
8:07 PM Mar 26th via web from South Loop, Chicago
interesting tweets about jim calhoun. if he wins it will he fade off into sunset with 3 nat titles. already best c in history of be
8:06 PM Mar 26th via web from South Loop, Chicago
kemba continues on a roll, 20 in conn win over ariz. remember uconn won it all coming out of west in 1999, 2004.
8:05 PM Mar 26th via web from South Loop, Chicago
how many big schools are shaking their heads over fact theyissed on shelvin mack?
8:02 PM Mar 26th via web from South Loop, Chicago
this might not even be one of top five butler teams in modern history, but they found a way to get to the final four. coaching, character
8:01 PM Mar 26th via web from South Loop, Chicago
butler’s ot win over fla further indication non bcs progams cna play at a high level if they get the chance.
8:01 PM Mar 26th via web from South Loop, Chicago
Weiss: Walker is one hungry Gator http://nydn.us/icVSmh
7:32 AM Mar 26th via twitterfeed
that goes back over 2 days, tell me where does it say anything about painter or missouri?
You fail at twitters
I don’t think there’s anything to it, but he certainly tweeted it. 30 minutes ago.
Not really sure why he'd tweet that for no reason
But like everyone else, I’ll wait until it’s official. It’s happening though so you should brace yourself
You're a moron
If you have Twitter, look up Dick Weiss. His 2nd tweet reads this “matt painter to missouri 7 yrs 14 mill’ tigers got a great coach will purdue make a pitch for brad stevens”
I did look up Dick Weiss
and saw nothing of the sort. In fact, the contents of his page looked EXACTLY like the copied text on his post.
If it ever was there, he took it down.
TWITTER IS NOT NEWS.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
@NYDNDickWeiss
How do you not see his 2nd tweet 35 minutes ago?
screen cap
I dont know, i guess my twitter is broken.
check out this screen cap. note the time on the clock. I see no tweet about MP.
the only thing that could make this worse
Is if Painter went to Mizzou, got to the national championship game and loses… vs IU…the emotions from that; are enough to tear my ACL
I just wish Jim Irsay was Purdue's AD
so we’d have seen a comment last week saying ‘I want to make MP the highest paid coach in the Big Ten’, just like what he said regarding peyton manning’s contract.
speaking of Gene Keady...
We could use a new AD. I think he would do a great job and it has worked other places. (Bary Alvarez at Wisconsin, Mike Belloti at Oregon).
I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin….
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 9:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ok, what's official now?
I’m not seeing it.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
nothing... lol
haven’t you learned how to play this game by now? it’s been a few days you should be used to this.
I know nothing's official.
I see nothing on any major sports news.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
painter gone, in a surprise move he actually decided to trade jobs with Shaka Smart.
Painter set to move to virginia, in a quote from his wife jerri ’I’ve always wanted to visit colonial williamsburg, I’ve already called and inquired about getting a membership"
Painter will become the highest paid basketball coach in the NCAA to the tune of a 27 million dollar contract for the next 2 years. When asking the VCU A.D. why only a 2 year contract, he stated ‘After having to give up Shaka Smart in this deal, we wanted to leave ourself an out, just in case the Painter acquisition doesn’t pan out… We traded a Final Four Caliber coach for a coach who only managed to reach the sweet sixteen. Let’s just say we’re less than pleased, although we have deep pockets so we wanted to pay him a lot so we gain a reputation of treating our staff well".
Purdue fans all over the country are stunned, but no one really knows what to think, and twitter caught on fire and crashed.
In other news, Purdue decided to ad 7 new varsity level sports to their intercollegiate athletics initiatives. Morgan Burke was quoted as saying ‘we wanted to demonstrate that we’re committed to competing in the big ten in our athletic offerings, it’s all about the numbers these days."
Sources have yet to be named as we are exploring our options at this moment, expect an answer sometime before wednesday.
by collinh on Mar 28, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
MATT PAINTER TO MIZZOU:
http://kansascity.sbnation.com/missouri-tigers/2011/3/28/2077704/matt-painter-missouri-purdue
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Again all based on the same twitter feed.
Going to wait and see on this one.
Still don't believe it.
He’s going off of those tweets.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
did you even read the story?
On Monday evening a reporter from the Fort Wayne News Sentinel reported that he was “hearing” Matt Painter left Purdue accepted the head coaching job with the Missouri Tigers. There was no follow-up from him or a post on the paper’s website.
lets examine the source… some unamed reporter from Fort Wayne (lol ft. wayne wtf) reported that he was “hearing” matt left. there was no followup and no official post on the newspaper’s website.
you are what’s wrong with the internet, i hope you know that.
Im not saying I believe it...
I am just passing info along…
Site Manager at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
twitter seconds ago
@JeffRabjohns
Purdue coach Matt Painter has not accepted the Missouri job, sources confirm. Missouri continues to pursue.
And it's got a 'not yet, but maybe' feel to it, so I think it's legit....cause that's where it is right now.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
In retrospect.
I think the framework for this situation was laid when Painter signed his extesion last year. I’m speculating but I don’t think he was satisfied with his contract or his staff’s compensation or resources. He and his agent couldn’t get MB to budge but they were able to negotiate a $0 opt out after this year. I beleive CMP knew that with JJ, Smooge and Hummell (he was still healthy then) coming back, that the team was poised for a great season. He knew his value would be very high and surely some attractive coaching options would open up. Given his modest compensation and resouces, some program would offer him what he needed to compete for championships. He would then use this new found power to leverage Purdue for a comparable package. It’s a power play that’s been in the works for a year. Problem is, unless you think MB is a complete fool, he probably anticipated this and already had contingency plans. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like any of them included meeting Painter’s demands.
by Hummel's figurines on Mar 28, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
But we don't know what Burke is doing.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure Burke knows what Burke is doing....
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
this is all just one big elaborate set up
for a new punk’d type show right. this back and forth nonsese i’m, i’m getting sea sick here
I honestly think that Painter
is doing this for the what he thinks is the good of the Purdue Basketball program. We’re all doing exactly what he wants, we’re the gun to Morgan Burke’s head. Surely to God Burke wouldn’t be stupid enought to let him leave.
Garry Parrish on Twitter
“It only took 31 minutes for the latest Painter-to-Missouri story to be refuted. So we’re getting better at this, I think.”
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
What was interesting in that Ft.Wayne article
was the fact it stated Mizzou and Painter were meeting already and that Mizzou had brought the contract with them.
Didn’t we read/hear somewhere previously that the two were meeting tomorrow and a decision would be made on Wednesday, or did they in fact already meet?
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Contradicting stories
make me think we have no clue what’s correct.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall of Fame Clown, no doubt
What kind of reporters are they letting into the College Basketball writers hall of fame.. reporting on rumors. Jesus. Almost gave me a heart attack. If you’re a national college bball writer, you need to pay more attention to your wording.
Dick Weiss just tweeted a few moments ago
clarifying his statement that it’s a done deal. Said he was speaking only about the numbers and those were numbers that were going to be offered in Tuesday’s meeting.
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I love how people post items
WITHOUT F’ING POSTING A LINK TO THEM.
We can’t read your minds, people.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Here ya go my brother
Yep
Can ya believe it? A NYC writer is TWEETING what a Ft. Wayne paper got from a KC blog report. Is this absolutely the funniest damn b.s. you’ve seen in awhile???
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Welcome to journalism in the new millenium
I wish I could line up all of these “journalists” and bitch slap them all in the face. also break their hands so they’ll stop typing this nonsense.
Every news reporter should be required to NOT use twitter as a source
Just like I cant use wikipedia as a source for my papers
My favorite
are the old guys who barely know how to use it… like Peter King.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
this 7 years 14 million thing
I totally believe that it COULD be the offer they’re giving him… there’s just no way he’s possibly accepted it yet.
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...boiler up.
I may go over there!
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or maybe I am just playin' all ya'll
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"But they are offering me this much!"
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I KNOW RIGHT?!!?"
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"You should go over there. Got any 7 foot white guys I could use?"
by Mattdsm on Mar 28, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Woah, woah guys, Time Out!
Oops…Did I do that?
Not until I get back mah bucket!
Oh, so you’re saying I have to beat someone first?
"I wonder what Tom Crean thinks I should do..."
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I grew a crappy beard instead..."
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"You can't even get the right Just for Men Color?!"
by Mattdsm on Mar 28, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I know. I am dissapoint"
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"My picture meme has never lasted this long before"
Something to consider
by Mattdsm on Mar 28, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"That's cause I got a fever, and the only prescription is more captions"
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Deal with it"
Also we ran out of room
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Mar 28, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This was a mighty battle.
Next Installment: Bo Ryan visits the zoo
You guys should be
best friends in real life.
by PurduePrincess on Mar 28, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
BRILLIANCE is the word
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 29, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the single funniest thing I've ever seen on this board.
You have no idea how hard it was to read that at 2:30 AM without waking up my roomate.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
best thing to read as my PSYCH 120 class wrapped up today
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Mar 30, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey one positive thing if he does go...
at least we don’t have to watch that god awful Matt Painter show anymore. BUT, I bet that is Morgan Burkee’s fault too.
I think it's terrible.
Plus usually 10 days delayed, so we’ve already played a couple games since the taping.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that the one where Danny Hope ends every episode with a loss?
because I’ve seen that one.
A loss - but proud of how the guys practiced
Cuz that’s important!
FML
Correction: F our lives…..
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Mar 28, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We should all take our computers
And throw them out the F’in window. This is doing nothing but bad things for the health of our hearts. NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING FOR SURE YET!!!!!!! ITS 9:30 AT NIGHT, NO NEW NEWS IS GOING TO BREAK TONIGHT FELLAS.
And the 7 yr 14 million is exactly what they offered Anderson to get him to stay so we knew all along thats what they would throw at him.
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
Gary Harris just retweeted this tweet from Austin Etherington.
thats_G_ Gary Harris
RT @Austin23E So did coach painter leave or not?
Legit......and not good if he's asking. Or maybe it IS good that he's asking....
….so when MP stays, we know Harris is gonna be a Boilermaker !!
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See...
this is the real problem with this.
even is matt stays, shit like this has real consequences.
B1G TEN tweeted just now (legit)
#BigTen Missouri has offered Purdue’s Matt Painter http://bit.ly/fa8qbD #Illinois #Illini
Of course, that’s true….the offer has been made….which is how Weiss screwed up in the first place, saying it was a “done deal”, then back-tracking.
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Then again
The deal structure is really all that is known….they couldn’t offer it since the two sides haven’t even met yet.
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How so we know?
Mrs. Painter might be down…
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Morgan Burke Multitasking Metaphor
Persuading Coach Painter to stay in WLaf while showing his ass to humble Purdue bloggers watching through the window.
"Life is hard. Wear a cup"
- Dennis Miller
Latest Update
ESPN is reporting that the Lafayette Journal & Courier is tracking a report stemming from a source who stated his mom overheard Bubba Day wrote on his Facebook page that MP was actually thinking of going to Mizzou if they included a package that allowed Matt’s pet cat to be inside the coaches office at any time the cat desired.
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haha!
You had me believing you until the 2nd line of that.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This place and Rock M Nation are on fire right now lol
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
I just found out through Kerrigan's twitter....
BUT THE PACERS BEAT THE CELTICS!!!!!!
It makes me feel a bit better knowing the Pacers are making a good playoff push.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, I am finally caught up on everything
The things I miss while I go to actually work and make money. I’ve read everything over and a few things:
1. The NYC guy is a tool
2. At least I am not spreading rumors
3. I am collecting all these “rumors reported as fact” and I will be asking why their credentials aren’t pulled if Painter stays.
4. nothing will be certain until tomorrow at the earliest.
5. The most disappointing thing is that we have heard absolutely zilch from Purdue officially.
6. It seems as if Painter wants more for his assistants and is committed to building a champion, what bothers me is that he has the tools with the Mackey project nearly completion, so why pulls this for the assistants now?
7. I have no idea who the replacement would be, but if we got the cheap route with Lusk I will be furious.
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on a postive note
There have been almost 10,000 unique visits to Hammer & Rails today, making it the best day ever numbers-wise by far. I certainly did not want to get there this way.
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You forgot #8
8. Twitter is NOT a reliable source
Very true
At least I got an e-mail with details that got me in trouble
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On a somewhat nervously positive note
Mizzou fans have Matt Painter leading 57% to Shaka Smart’s 19% as the coach they would be most happy signing. So there’s that.
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This is the ONLY thing on my mind right now.
Tomorrow…if possible…I need to work.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
I feel for you Boiler fans
10 days of this with Izzo to the Cavs last summer was awful.
The worst part is, it was done by an extremely high profile alum, who now hopefully is banned from campus.
Maybe this is just his way to get a raise.
Favorite comment from small sampling at RockM thus far
" Tale of two SB sites:
One is waiting to throw a GIF party
The other one getting ready to grab pitch forks"
LOL
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True enough
I’ve mounted up and have my Stealth Bomber permit and Tomahawk missile guidance system ready.
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We're gonna be getting pissy at the athletic dept.
if Painter leaves.
I’ll be ready to kick Burke’s ass out the door.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I should get there first....
I will leave class to kill his ass if this goes down.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That could be about Painter
Or a spicy meal he now regrets eating
Just keeping the untwitterers
in the loop. Everyhting that comes from a recruit I fear is about Painter. I hate this.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
rofl
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
what are any recruits going to think... even if he stays?
aren’t they just going to wonder if Matt’s going to leave after every season?
No...
because this is the year with the out clause. After this he’s almost a lock through 2017
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If Painter stays,
and if he comes out with a strong statement that he is staying b/c Purdue is committed to the basketball program, then it can only help the confidence of the recruits that this is the place to be and Painter is someone whom they can trust b/c he pass the "money temptation test."
On the other hand though, his buyout after this year is only $750k. That’s really nothing at all considering he would get at least that extra money more in one year at another school.
I'll take that spin
over everything else i’ve been trying to rationalize.
The Rock M guys seem pretty cool
Just told them we feel no ill will toward them. we mostly blame Burke
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Guys...we're LOSING
800+ thread posts at RockM….just a bit over 600 here. C’MON BTFU !!!
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Burke wouldn't pay for that!
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
UPDATE
GBI confirmed that Painter’s meeting is tomorrow…so anything about a done deal is bullshit.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
He's not going
Just have a gut feeling.
Everyone hop on the optimist train!
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BTFU
Ill hop on that train!!!
War CMP being back to work next Monday.
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
just announced
Big Dog is coming back to use his last year of eligibility! optimism train all aboard!!!
Awesome! Chris Booker too?
We could use an experienced big man. Juco’s all tapped out.
by Beavis Beefcake on Mar 29, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Check yourself...
Has anyone even bothered to realize that the newest story on ESPN.com with the words “Matt Painter” in it is about Barlow’s suspension? This is purely Twitter/blog news and not worth stressing over.
Well, but there are all these idiots
who claim they have “credible sources” or “inside information” that it is a “done deal” or somehow can get into the head of Painter and say it is more than 50% chance. Morons.
I'm feeling a little better.
Here’s to waking up to something other than horror.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
This cheered me up.
I like GIF parties…
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
HAHA
One of my fav. Will ferrel skits
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we replace the duck w/Burke....just so we're ready?
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how most Mizzou fans think its almost a done deal..
I just can’t wait till he stays at Purdue, so I can say .. take that Mizzou!
Site Manager at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
I got a tweet from a Mizzou fan that said "Sad that your coach is leaving?"
Good thing clowns like him don’t represent a fanbase.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they are getting ahead of themselves..
I would love to see a bunch of crushed Mizzou fans in the near future.
Site Manager at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
It's interesting when you say "most"
you mean “most of the guys who post on websites”
Most of us Mizzou fans (even those guys) are still expecting that the rug will be pulled out from under us until the official press conference. That’s how these things have been going for us for a while.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Mar 29, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense...but Purdue has written the book on rug-pulling.
See: ACL, ACL, ACL, ACL, ACL, ACL (KK Houser), Life-threatening menigitis(Drey Mingo), The Fumble, Steve Bartman…wait, wrong team. But yeah. book. written.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If MP leaves
Let’s really throw in the towel on the whole program.
www.TenDam4Coach.com is up and running
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Mar 28, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good Nite all
Turning a potential negative into a temporary sugar high tonight was real fun.
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For them its another school they play.
by Thedreamthejohn on Mar 28, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
At some point, we should probably do something constructive with all the energy we put out here
BHGP does a cancer donation
As in, donating money to cancer charities, not donating cancer
Although I wouldn’t put it past them…..
I'd love to organize something
How does BHGP do it?
Maybe a donation to make me replacement coach? j/k
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 28, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they're involved with Coaches Against Cancer
They do it during the football season, so I don’t remember it clearly.
Adam Jacobi runs the joint over there, I’m sure he’d be happy to fill you in if you contacted him.
thanks
I just e-mailed him and cc’d you.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 28, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You might have CC'd the wrong person
Nothing showing up in my inbox.
Correction:
The more that I think about it, I think it is actually guided towards UIowa Hospital Children’s programs.
But it would still be a fun (and positive) thing to do.
UI Children's Hospital is such an awesome place
i work in hospital and what they do at the children’s place is nothing short of incredible.
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Seriously, its worth the click.
Just do it.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
We could do better
…if we wanted to build a kid’s hospital
Students are rioting already....
http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/indiana/purdue-group-attacks-2-male-students
Stop the madness!!!!!!!
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
That actually sounds kinda scary
Hope everyone stays safe on campus.
I think...
MP will drag this on until the 1st of April, where he’ll hold a press conference announcing his new position at Mizzou, to be followed by APRIL FOOLS!
Has anyone noticed that this whole thread pretty much goes through the five stages of grief?
It's a trick, get an ax
That is not happening in this case.
You know what, fuck you.
i mean, we can deal with whatever happens right?
God damn it, we are fucked aren’t we.
Well, that’s what happens I guess.
LOL....nice.....I see what you did there.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 29, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No
This thread just has a bunch of idiots crying the sky is falling and running like a chicken without its head but quoting “credible sources” and “inside information” about a “done deal.”
A man is innocent until proven otherwise. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to back up. Stop this whole “credible source” shit if you can’t name your source.
Anyone notice
One of the big dorks from Michigan State is transferring?
by Byrd"s The Word on Mar 28, 2011 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, Izzo now has a 2012 scholarship open for Harris.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Pushing a burning schoolhouse off the edge of a cliff
Is the true test of patriotism
Not trying to be a Debbie Downer
but a guy I work with who is a freshman at Purdue said a guy in his class that he sat next to died of bacterial meningitis today. My friend told me his name was Adam (not completely sure) and that he thought he was on the track and field team.
Either way, such a horrible story and I send prayers out to his family and friends, whoever they may be.
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BTFU
puts perspective on things....
Basketball will be here in 8 more months… sadly his life won’t be here. Shoot we don’t know when it’s our time to go… hate to be cryptic about it.
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't laugh
Twitter…..people trying to get it organized.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Early stages
but i like the idea – it needs help though
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i also like the idea
hopefully it pans out. it could actually help. if not it shows where the students stand and hopefully that will at least help burke get fired if painter leaves
I was impressed at the crowd
when Bob Knight gave his goodbye speech at IU…..this would be impressive if Purdue would have a march for Painter.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Roan on WGN..
just did the “reports are rampant that Matt Painter has taken the Missouri job and Purdue will make a run at Brad Stevens” thing. Dan, Dan, Dan. Well, that’ll help.
by CreakyOldBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
We are Fuked if Painter goes....
Yes, I said Fuked (pronounced FOO-KED), as in the Fukishima Dai-ichi nuclear plant. Being fuked is worse than being f**ked. You’re f**ked when you get nailed by an earthquake and tsunami, You’re FUKED when you get nuked as a result.
Thus, Purdue was f**ked when we lost Hummell and crapped our bed against VCU, We’d be FUKED if we lost Painter to boot. Might as well kick me in the balls….
Part of me is hoping this is all a misunderstanding. Maybe Painter is on vacation with Charlie Sheen and is on a 5 day bender. He could be in a pile of hookers and blow as we speak, and clueless to what’s going on. I would be cool with it if he shows up on Twitter tomorrow all tweak out and said, “I’ve been in a pile of hookers and blow for three days, just got word of this Missouri thing, crack is whack, but not that whack. I’m staying at Purdue. Boiler up bitches.” Yeah, I’d be totally cool with this. Sadly, I think there is a greater than 50 percent chance this doesn’t happen.
by DTownBoilermaker on Mar 28, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Columbia Daily Tribune
Posted 7 minutes ago…
Painter to Missouri NOT A Done Deal.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/mar/28/painter-missouri-not-done-deal/
by DTownBoilermaker on Mar 28, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Rally on memorial mall tomorrow is gaining steam....
help add momentum by tweeting and posting to your facebook.
Lets have her...
Make a visit to Burke’s office to “talk” some sense into him… it can’t hurt. Oh wait, he would probably start negotiating with her and….
Tomorrow we're back to speculation and maybe some answers.
Just remember…Boiler Up always.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
People with a Facebook Account
Rally for Coach Painter at noon on Tuesday at Memorial Mall.
Join and help spread the word…..very little time here.
I've done my part and sent out an invite for all my Purdue friends.
They have over 1,000 people that they’re waiting for a reply from.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 29, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
ESPN link is finally up
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6268809
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BTFU
WFLI.com
“I think he should leave. If we would have done better in the tournament, I would have said stay but after that loss to VCU last week or whenever it was, I think it’s his time to go,” said student Ryan Difalco.
Seriously, he doesn’t even remember when the game was. Idiots like this may make this a reality.
Wow, I am very surprised there are people that don’t realize what Painter overcame after Hummel went down again to lead this team to a second place finish in the Big Ten. Experts were predicting a middle of the pack finish. As we all know, he rightly deserved the COY awards.
Just look at the development of the players. And not just JJ, but DJ, Ryno and LewJack to name the most obvious. Few thought they’d be the players they’ve become.
I’m just very disappointed by that comment.
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