The Future Of Matt Painter
by BoilerTMill on Mar 27, 2011 8:21 PM EDT
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It is Sunday Night and the rumor that we all hate just won't die. I am trying to just rest and get over another basketball season that ended in disappointment. I am still upset my Kats lost yesterday, but The Season That Came Up Short Just won't go away. A week ago at this time we were wondering if we were going to the Final Four. Now we're wondering who will coach next season.
Yes, even though I haven't written on the subject yet I aware of the Matt Painter to Missouri rumors. I haven't written because I thought they were ludicrous when I first heard them. To me, there was no way he would leave his alma mater. We had a Purdue guy, hand picked by the man that coached him. He has had success so far with multiple 20-win seasons, a pair of Sweet 16's, and both a regular season and Big Ten Tournament championship in six years after taking of a program that was in the Big Ten basement. In four of his five seasons of making the NCAA Tournament he was eliminated by a team that went on to the Final Four, so he was at least going out to good teams. He revived the program and, with some incoming recruits, appeared to be set for the long haul. In fact, I even boasted that as long as he stayed as coach we would reach a Final Four within the next ten years.
Instead, we have Rock M Nation talking about having Matt painter as a candidate. That may not seem like news, but when these SBNation sites are being used as a source to find out about fan reaction, there is at least a modicum of credibility there. Then Gold and Black mentioned that he had been contacted and he was the primary target. This, of course, has set every pro-Purdue twitter account on fire today.
What makes it hard to write about is that we don't know much for sure. We do know Painter is one of the lower paid coaches in the Big Ten and that Missouri is likely offering north of $2 million per year. Considering what other coaches in this league get paid, what Painter is currently making, ($1.3 million guaranteed as Purdue's highest paid employee) and the value we're getting out of that money, Purdue has high value right now.
That means the crux of this matter lies with Painter's desires. Does he want to make a cash grab for what is a lateral move at best, or does he want to stay true to his alma mater? In just six years he has accomplished everything he can except for reaching a Final Four and winning a national title. One could argue that is not his fault, but the Mayan Demon Blood of Lost Souls Wood of The Barn for snapping Rob's ACL.
In this poker game I was like many in thinking that our safety blanket was Cuonzo Martin, another former player and assistant who just completed a successful season at Missouri State. It was assumed that he would take over if Painter departed. Of course, that was before the news broke that Martin was headed to Tennessee.
In that past 24 hours I have spoken with Bryan Gaskins, my editor at the Kokomo Tribune and a fellow Purdue alum. Last night he told me he had a bad feeling about the Painter situation, but that is far from anything definite. Seconds ago I receive and e-mail from him with the headline "WE'RE SCREWED" announcing that Martin was hired.
To me, this was a key piece taken off the table because everyone knew Martin was going to be the top target if Painter left. Athletic Director Morgan Burke has been known to be a frugal AD, seeking a cheaper, but not as proven hire rather than a big splash. This has worked out in making Purdue one of the few athletic departments in the country that operates in the black, but it has led to frustration because some elements of the fanbase believe it puts us at a competitive disadvantage. With Painter, it worked. With Danny Hope, stay tuned. Going after Martin, a young coach that would be getting his first major conference job, would be the cheap alternative.
Now we enter the most dangerous game, where our likely top choice as a replacement is off the board and the rumors of Painter to Missouri won't go away. Personally, I don't think he'll go. Those are my random blogger's thoughts, however. I love Purdue enough that as an alum, I wouldn't want to leave if they gave me job. Of course, the equivalent would be the Bleacher Report offering me $50,000 per year to blog for Missouri, a school I have absolutely no connection to. It pays better than what I am doing now, but not enough that it is a no brainer.
It is clear that this is up to Painter himself. If he leaves, half the fanbase will hate him for abandoning us in a cash grab, while the other half will hate Burke for not paying to keep him around. Unfortunately, this won't be put to rest until Painter himself speaks.
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I'm waiting for Matt to talk
If he wants to tell Rob Hummell to his face that he is leaving, I’m ok with this. Burke should pay him market value for what he is worth. Who does Purdue genuinely expect will come and be paid less$$
by GreenBayBoilermaker on Mar 27, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
I feel about the same
When I first heard rumblings about Painter to Missouri early on I thought the people were crazy. Why would he want to do that? For some reason today I have a terrible feeling about what is going on. Reading what some of the insiders say about Matt not being happy with the frugality of the AD and school makes me wonder. Now that ’Zo is out of the picture I am ready to go into all out panic. Tuesday cannot come soon enough. This is like the JJ wait last year, but it seems as if this has the potential to hurt us for more than one season.
That is supposedly the deadline they gave him for a decision.
Hard to separate fact from fiction at this point though.
If he leaves...
I think half the fan base hates Burke for not paying him more, and the entire fan base hates him for leaving.
After the Baby Boilers didn’t deliver the final four everything thought they would, if he leaves now, it’d be a complete knife in the back.
Yes, he deserves more money, but if he goes, he’s not going to keep any friends back at PU.
Disagree
He deserves market price for his talents and services. Burke should pay him.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Give him a raise
He is the 3rd lowest paid coach in the big ten, however it only takes 500k more a year to make him the 2nd highest paid. Give him a bump and an extension and I think the problem takes care of itself. As a St. Louis Cardinals fan, I’ve seen what expecting a home-town discount from your key asset (Pujols) has gotten them (bupkus).
from what money?
Football revenue is at a nadir and Burke is too cheap to put lights in at Ross-Ade, something that could pay for itself in a season or two with additional gate revenue.
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How dare you! Noon games create an unmatched atmosphere!
What with the sleepy fans who woke up at 6am to drive from Chicago and have approximately 15 minutes of tailgating before they move to the stadium, who could argue with such a strategy of creating an intimidating environment for opponents?!
Speaking for myself,
I’ve never had a problem getting loaded by noon.
Assuming you get on the road in Chicago at 7am
That’s 8am WL time – then 2-3 considering traffic (especially if there is an ND game) that puts you into WL between 10-11, then getting set up and actually grilling, it leaves you very little time. I’ve made the trip before and it sucks.
Or, if you’re like me and live in central time – waking up and remembering the game starts at 11 is challenge as well
Its going to have to come
from Alumns. The athletic department is separate from the university for funding purposes. I presume that the Mackey renovations have improved revenue as well. Put together a better football team and the revenue there will obviously increase. (On that point, I think that a healthy team will be vastly better than last year’s team)
I think Burke is more concerned about
giving each athletic program a level playing ground. Which from a moral standpoint is noble. However…When football and basketball are your major money makers… and you can do more to help the programs if you get a steady cash flow with your football or bball teams., you have to find a way to pay them and get better players and better success. It’s ludicrous to try to do things in the cheap. Business economics and Biblical economics as well.
To your call once more we rally...
Another side of the coin that Jerry Palm pointed out
Maybe Zo left for Tennessee because he knew Matt wouldn’t leave. Why would Zo take the tennessee job so early if Purdue would potentially open up. Everyone knew that Zo would be candidate numero uno for purdue. I haven’t quite hit the panic button yet, but I think Zo leaving for Tennessee might be a positive for purdue, rather than a negative.
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+1
Better facilities and fan base. Only downside is you’re #2 behind Pat Summitt… and UK. Go get them Zo. 2 Purdue guys in coaching 2 SEC schools in the same state…
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disagree
Tenn. is gonna be facing some violations from NCAA from Pearl
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 27, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Painter isn't likely going to leave.
But speak up dude before we go into complete panic mode.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
Cuonzo effect
I posted this on the other thread minutes before T-Mill’s article but it fits better here:
So with Cuonzo getting the Tennessee job (and congratulations to him) I see the Painter Missouri thing two different ways:
1. We know Painter and Martin have been talking throughout this. They were teammates and coaching partners. So maybe Painter told Martin that he was staying at Purdue and therefore the Purdue job would not be availalbe, so Cuonzo went ahead and took the UT job.
2. Paul Lusk knew about this going down all along and withdrew his name from the NIU job so he could have a chance at the Purdue job. He knew that Cuonzo and UT were already in contact (and that UT would pay way more) and that Painter and Mizzou were already in contact and knew those two were going to take those jobs. Therefore, he declined the NIU job so he could potentially land the Purdue gig.
Thoughts? I’m scared shitless right now.
Lusk declining NIU
Might have been because he thought he could get Cuonzo’s MSU job. He might not have had any idea about this Painter thing.
by babaoreally on Mar 27, 2011 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would hate them both
I would hate Burke for constantly holding Purdue back… I would hate Painter for destroying everything he built, at his Alma Mater no less. Then again, if he burns down the program, the respect that he gained was never deserved and he is a person of very poor character!
by boilergal on Mar 27, 2011 8:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Respect?
I disagree with this. I still am going to respect the man. He never lied about not leaving. He designed a loophole in his contract so if he could leave if he wanted. He never said I will always stay at Purdue.
If Mizzou is going to pay him $500k more a year and give him an 8 year contract. That is $4 million. I’m not sure I could respect him if he turned down that deal.
Don't go that far
at the end of the day, Painter has to look out for himself and his family. Though, he is well compensated at Purdue, it is true, loyalty to an employer is a foolish thing.
"He has to look out for his family"
What family can’t survive on $1.3 million per year?
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I come from a land down unda
Not just family
But also resources and working environment. Seems like Mizzou will do more than Purdue will to get what it wants. That speaks to some coaches. Purdue has and usually is… we want to succeed but we don’t want to be comfortable as well. For a school that prides themselves on being a “basketball program” who hasn’t reached a FF in 32 years and haven’t won a championship in 80 years… how comfortable and prideful can you really be?
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Great point
But are the resources between Purdue and Mizz really that different, or just the salaries?
I’m not discounting the salary difference, but in the midst of the Mackey Project can we really say Purdue is shortchanging the basketball program as a whole?
The Mackey project helps
and I’m glad it FINALLY was built. But I still stand behind the whole “status quo” mentality with Purdue and being comfortable. Maybe JPC is running the show… maybe Burke is. But there has to be a time where you say. We want results… we want championships… and we’ll give you more leeway for you to reach those goals without cheating.
$700K can lead to more recruiting trips… better scouts… better trainers… better assistant coaches (I’m assuming Lusk is leaving) etc.
Let’s not be blind and assume the extra money will ONLY be pocketed by Painter…
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Are trainers and scouts and recruting trips being paid for by coaches?
I would think that would fall under the Bball budget. If there’s a major difference there, I would agree it needs to be addressed. But I don’t think Painter is paying for recruiting trips out-of-pocket.
And any mixing of coach salary and recruiting money is worrying to say the least.
Well
I shouldn’t have made it sound like Painter is paying out of Pocket… but if Burke gives more money towards the whole BBall program it may change a lot of things as well.
I’m just sayin an extra $700 K can help you out. Then again… it didn’t seem to bother VCU or Butler that they didn’t have that $$$
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I agree
Any money towards the basketball program is a sign of commitment, but I hope that Painter can see the multi-million dollar remodeling as an investment in his program.
I also agree that Painter being the 3rd lowest B10 coach is deplorable, given his results in conference play. I would not question giving him an equitable raise to keep him around.
I saw that list also
I commented also that each team above Painter on that list has been the to the FF at least once since the last time that Purdue has. Also Fran McCafferty @ Iowa (first year on the job btw) is right below Painter. (Iowa last made it to the FF the same year Purdue did btw). Now I understand why McCafferty is low… he has to deal with Football and wrestling as a better athletic heritage @ Iowa. Purdue… not so much… (although he is the highest paid coach…but yeah could be better I suppose)
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Not sure if FFs are a fair comparison for Painter
Considering he’s only been around for six years, had to do a complete rebuild and is going up against people like Izzo in that department.
But on the other hand, you shouldn’t judge a current coach’s performance on his predecessors. I think Painter is deserving of top-5 money right now, it’s up to him to earn it over the long run.
I'm not blaming Painter at all for that list...
… On the contrary I’m blaming Purdue. If basketball success is the main thing you’ve been trumpeting, especially in this state and these alums, then put your money where your mouth is. Now I’m not sure how much Gene was getting paid during the latter years of his tenure, but I agree that a lot of AD’s have placed a lot of faith in coaches that haven’t even shown results at their current schools (Crean, Beilein). With Tubby in Minnesota, they went after a former National champion so they knew they had to pay up big bucks. Still, Tubby hasn’t really done anything compared to Painter.
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by H Dot Jones on Mar 27, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon. You and I and everybody here want to make the most we can for our family.
Besides the fact he is underpaid relative to his profession and performance.
Must be a big family
If a million dollars can’t already do the job…what would another half million accomplish?
I come from a land down unda
Do you think Burke won't offer more?
I am assuming that Burke will close the gap between the current salary and the 2+ million being discussed. If he still leaves to go to nowhere Mizzou where he has no ties in a conference that’s existence is shaky at best, just for a bit more cash, that is his choice. However, don’t act like he is sacrificing for his family when his current salary and situation are plenty for them to be set.
by boilergal on Mar 27, 2011 9:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Everyone says give him a raise
But I wonder if the Athletic Department has the money for it now. Remember, the Athletic Department is completely independent from the University, so they are not getting any money from President Cordova, and most likely not from Governor Daniels. Plus, Purdue ticket sales, despite a sold out season, probably don’t bring in that much money compared to other programs in the Big Ten. Don’t forget that Purdue does have a smaller fan base, so there is less money going to be coming in like at other programs.
There is a reason why the Athletic Department puts such a huge emphasis on the John Purdue Club, it probably gets quite a lot of money from JPC that has helped with the Mackey Renovation and the construction/renovations to the baseball, softball, and soccer complexes.
So I guess if you want Painter to stay and you are in JPC and you think money is the issue, pull out your check book.
Didn't Painter just sign an extension after last season?
I thought he had – if so, I doubt the AD is willing to renegotiate so quickly.
He did get a raise
But even with that raise he is still in the lower tier of salaries of Big Ten Coaches.
This would be the ultimate kick in the nuts after the end of this season
The idea of having a much-loved coach leave while an increasingly-suspect coach remains would be a horrible blow as a Purdue fan.
I don’t think he will leave – the recruits coming in look increasingly promising, it’s hard for me to believe he would leave all of that to go helm a program he has no connection with. Of course, money talks, but I hope that the ideals that Painter champions would win out.
If this does happen, it’s another strike by our old nemesis Morgan Burke (mjb@purdue.edu) in his continuing campaign to crush Purdue sports into a fine powder with which he can hope to poison our own T-Mill. We must not let this happen.
who would we hire?
If painter leaves, who do we hire? Zo is out, so would the next choice be Lusk? Also what do you think this means for our future recruits? Will it have a positive or negative effect?
i like it, but would he come?
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 27, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Keady
Think Keady would come with him, also what does this do to our recruiting classes that Matty has already signed?
One game at a time.
I think Lavin would recruit the hell out of the state IMO
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 27, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I like
+10 does anyone know what Lavin’s contract is like at St. Johns? This would be an awesome hire though.
Lavin won't come
He’s a big city guy… I don’t think he can truly be comfortable in W. Lafayette IN. Plus he has a gold mind being in the garden and getting NYC kids to play for him.
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Lavin loves basketball...
he would come coach in the state of Indiana…the mecca of basketball.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 27, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously???
I’d be the first person to eat crow if this happens… but I don’t see it happening. His wife is a model/actress. And I’m not even so sure if Lavin would “own the state” as you say. Once again if Painter does decide to leave for Mizzou and Lavin would want to come to Purdue.. I’ll eat crow
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Not saying...
i would rather have Lavin over Painter, but i think it would be an awesome target if Painter does leave.
Lavin has the name and face recognition, and great charisma for recruiting. And unlike UCLA, I do think he can coach. Maybe he is a big city guy – hey, Chicago isn’t that far!!!!
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 27, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
LAVIN WOULD
own recruiting in this state.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 27, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
All he has to do
Is show up at the door with his wife…
by Bloomington.Boiler on Mar 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not in panic mode yet...
but I’m definitely getting a bit worried. By the way, follow me on Twitter @BoilerOfLegend
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
Pay the man
Burke needs to pay the man what he deserves. He should be paid like one of the top 3 big ten coaches. That is because he is.
SHOW HIM THE MONEY!!!
Painter makes 20 times more...
than the average the average working man. If he likes his job, money should be no facter at this level. That’s freaking ridiculous. I make 1.3 million here, in my home state, 2 hours from where I grew up, where all my recruiting connections have been made, am loved by my fan base – yet I would leave for another 700,000 to MISSOURI? Come on WTF, doesn’t make sense.
Money is money
You are acting like $700k is nothing. That is nearly half his current salary. I know it is way more than we all make but it is still money. He can retire whenever he wants and leave a buttload of money for his children with a bigger salary. I know we all say we would stay because we love Purdue so much, and I think I would too, but it is a harder decision when that check is actually sitting in front of you.
Agree....
but money is not everything. Especially when you already make 1.3 million.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 27, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
And hopefully Painter is very happy and will be willing to make less to stay loyal to Purdue, but even when you already make 1.3 million, lets not pretend $700k a year has no impace. If he works only 10 years there making that salary he gets $7 million more than he would make at Purdue. Seven-effing-million!
His recruiting connections will still be his recruiting connections...that won't change much.
Plus it opens this market to Mizzou, which isn’t all that far from Indiana….so the recruiting connection aspect isn’t much of an obstacle IMO.
But I do agree that Matty P seems to have it made in terms of coaching where he grew up and where he knows how things work from the junior high level on up.
700k wouldn’t persuade me to go UNLESS the university started to do things that made me feel like they were bullying/disrespecting me in some way.
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send burke an email
I did. Doubt it will help but ill bagger him as long as it takes! if the guy gets hundreds of emails who knows it might help!
good article on same subject
http://purdue.big10rant.com/210-missouri-after-painter-purdue-fans-wait/
One game at a time.
YES
thank you my friend.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 27, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Stevens
Time for Burke to put Brad Stevens from Butler on speed dial… just incase shit hits the fan with Painter.
Waste of time
Stevens isn’t going anywhere. If he did, it’d be because some big name school threw a ridiculous amount of money at him (and that obviously won’t be Purdue) and he even then, I think he’d stay at Butler. Man’s got principles
And Painter doesn't have principles?
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said that
I guess we’ll find out though won’t we?
True.
Sorry man, but I’m worried right now.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we all are
After what’s transpired with Purdue basketball lately, how can any of us be optimistic about anything at this point?
If we keep Painter I'll feel great about the future.
Have you seen the 2012 and 2013 classes?
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not like he has to prove anything.
The man has made the final four in consecutive years on teams that some say are not dripping with talent. He doesnt have to go to a bigger name school and say well I would have won if only my talent was just this much better.
One game at a time.
One minute I'm confident he'll stay...
…and the next minute a thought creeps into my head that scares me shitless.
Oh boy…
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
Money
So, Burke doesn’t want to give Painter $700k more? Because if fan levels in Mackey go back to where they were at the end of Keady that will equal a $950k hit to the athletic department, and thats only based on $25 per ticket.
And if he’s trying to sell more expensive tickets after the renovation, well, he ight have to spend money to make money.
That's a really good point.
I hope Burke thinks about total costs and PAYS UP.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Painter seems to me like a good guy.
And with the way he’s been recruiting, I think he stays.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Totally Unrelated - How Does VCU in FF make you feel about last week?
For me, it doesn’t change a thing. They’re a better team/playing better than I thought, but it doesn’t excuse how poorly Purdue played against them. When you play like crap, a good team will beat you.
they played very, very well against us
But we made them look better because our D was terrible.
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I agree - they've been very impressive
Just frustrating that Purdue didn’t give them an effort to be proud of
+1
makes me feel worse….shoulda been Purdue.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 27, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we're dreaming if we think we're getting Lavin.
It is less likely we’re going to get Lavin than Painter leaving.
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THANK YOU!!!
Lavin may love what Keady has taught him… I just don’t see Lavin in a Rural College Town setting coaching Purdue
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There was an article...
After the Painter hire, where Lavin commented that he would have looked at the Purdue job, but was never contacted. And I will be damned if i can find it. I remember this vividly becasue I remember reading it pissed off that we didn’t talk to him…..and then felt bad every time he did a game at macket for ESPN. Pretty sure I’m not dreaming.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 27, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sure your correct
How can you not be at least alittle interested in a job where you used to an assistant?
Never heard it
But I don’t doubt it neither…
I don’t know My thing is if Painter isn’t staying because Burke won’t pay… why would Burke pay more for Lavin…
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Makes me hopeful for the future actually
It’s clear that parody has taken over in college basketball. The margin of talent between teams has closed considerably in even the last 5 or 10 years. Seeding has almost become irrelevant. It makes me wishful that our team, albeit with less talent, has the potential to make a run next year if we can establish a balanced squad like VCU and Butler have. The NCAA tourney has become a whole new ballgame.
Why is everyone talking about Lavin so much?
Are we just assuming Painter leaves?
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
I'm worried too
but I think Painter will stay…especially with only a week to decide.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
+10
we are worried and trying to figure out what will happen if he leaves. As purdue fans we are always getting the short end of the stick and have terrible luck. It’s just in our nature to assume the worst sometimes.
I always try to be an optimist.
I think when people assume the worst it makes things worse by darkening the mood even more.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 27, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure
reports have mizzou offering around 2mill a year. Other then that they have a 7 year old basketball arena which im sure helps. Although I would say that might be less of a factor since mackey’s almost done.
Factors in our favor...
- The Mackey project is nearly done and that will make our facilities top notch and be a great recruiting tool
- Robbie Hummel. I just can’t picture Painter leaving before his senior year after all he’s dealt with
- No Mizzou connection for Painter
- The Mizzou program isn’t a step up in any way
- Alma Mater
- I think he respects Keady too much. He knows Keady handed picked him to be at Purdue for a long time.
If Painter leaves Hummel hanging
its the ultimate dick move. He can’t leave Hummel. It would be so such a kick in that poor kid’s nuts.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 27, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Keady
I always heard that he hand picked Lavin, and Burke decided to go after Painter instead.
One game at a time.
Keady loves Painter
He kept calling him “Matty” on the BTN when he was a studio announcer. He was talking like it was his only son running the team.
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B1G is as much a Hoops conference as a football conference
The Big Twelve (or whatever) has always been a football first conference for member schools, except for possibly Kansas.
The Big Twelve includes the U of Texas, which has a more overgrown delusion of self importance than anOSU, if that’s possible. With the departure of Nebraska and Colorado, the future of the entire conference is murky at best.
"Life is hard. Wear a cup"
- Dennis Miller
agreed
who knows what the big12 will be like if another school leaves. Remember how much uncertainty there was when Nebraska and colorado left? The conference almost didnt make it. Now Texas owns that conference. They get more money then anyone else AND they will have their own network.
Texas is running that conference for the time being
And they’re more than willing to go independent if they feel like it’s a viable option. The Big 8 let them in on an uneven level and they’ve pressed every advantage since and come to dominate the conference in a way that UN, OK and the others never did.
As much as I hate aOSU, at least they have to share equally in the B10. It’s not the same in the B12ish, and Texas is squeezing every advantage they have. I think they will go independent in the next few years, unless another conference is willing to let them come in on unequal terms again.
Just gonna toss this out there amongst this mess
Everyone keeps saying Lavin or Stevens and that they want success in March. How about the guy who vanquished us? How about Shaka Smart? Keep in mind I would much rather keep Painter, but beta plans must be made.
It's a trick, get an ax
i doubt it
Morgan burke would probably just hire Lusk. As stated above Burke doesnt do flashy or big name hires, and as of right now Shaka would be a big name hire. I’d much rather keep Painter for a multitude of reasons but if he leaves I hope it’s sooner rather then later. This would give whomever we hire a better chance at keeping our recruits committed to purdue. It would devastate me if our 2012 2013 recruits decide to bail and commit somewhere else.
On the risk of starting some controversy
That would have a very “Mike Davis” effect with Purdue if things don’t work out well. Always thought it was funny when IU got rid of Davis how that there were some racial sentiments behind it… (heard it from some fellow Purdue fans). Then I realized that Purdue in all it’s history has only had 1 black head coach, that I can recall of off the top of my head (she happened to be a good one BTW).
Before you quickly react, hear me out. I don’t think there is a racial disconnect at Purdue. Heck some of us will be ok with if Cuonzo had to replace Matt had Cuonzo had been available and Painter indeed leaves. However, if Purdue did get Smart. And Smart decided to go a different route from the “tradition” of Purdue basketball, and things don’t work out. Be ready to hear a lot from IU fans. Because that would be a Mirror Image of what happened to IU 8 years ago.
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by H Dot Jones on Mar 27, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Coach Zo
I want Painter to stay for sure, but Coach Zo would be a GREAT let me repeat GREAT hire for Purdue. The guy has everything you want in a coach. I was surprised it took him as long as it did to get a head coaching job.
I see what you are saying
I could also see that very scenario playing out. I think it is a shame we haven’t diversified our coaching staffs and I think Cuonzo would have been a home run for us. I don’t really think Smart would be the answer I was just saying he is gonna be a hot commodity by the end of April.
It's a trick, get an ax
Whatever Happens
IU fans will point and laugh – thought they will mock in incomplete sentences and their logic makes no sense.
It’s what they do.
"Life is hard. Wear a cup"
- Dennis Miller
Word on the street is that Painter
Also received offers from Oklahoma and NC State
I'm also hearing from a pretty reliable source
That Painter to Mizzou is a done deal
ummmmm
WHAT?!?!??!?!?!?1
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense
But I hate you.
I come from a land down unda
Let's just wait until Burke or Painter say something...
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by H Dot Jones on Mar 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't hate the messenger
I’m just saying don’t be surprised when it all goes down
by BoilerHerrm on Mar 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously nothing is official until Burker or Painter
Make a statement. I think we need to prepare for the worst though
by BoilerHerrm on Mar 27, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ive also heard Painter is staying
so, it is what it is.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 27, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Vacation
I read that Painter is on vacation in Florida so I doubt anything is transpiring the next couple of days.
Perhaps your source could be right
I just want to hear it from the horses mouth. I’ve spent too much energy and heartache on this team during the season to now freak out after the season has been over for 1 week
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by H Dot Jones on Mar 27, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I respect your post in general, but I'm very disappointed this time
it has nothing to do with hating the messenger, but more so hating the way the messenger is delivering a supposedly important message without any credibility. This is how senseless rumors begin (“credible source”).
If you know for sure, say so. If you don’t know anything, keep it to yourself. If you don’t know anything but want to speculate, feel free but drop that stupid “credible source”. If you know something but you can’t talk about it, then just keep your mouth shut.
Lavin not a good idea
Pay Painter is option one. Pay Stevens is option 2. Otherwise we fail. Fire Burke!!!! Last ditch effort is Shaka Smart. If you can’t beat him, buy him. Btw, spare me on the argument that Painter makes enough and shouldnt worry about another $700k. You think you wouldn’t take a pay raise like that? This is business at the end of the day. Gimme a break.
by One of these days on Mar 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
Well I heard Keady is coming back. Also Larry Bird is going to an assistant and they got Rick Mount too. It’s gonna be great.
It's a trick, get an ax
But they'll have no one to coach
because the entire team tore their ACLs during a giant brawl in practice. Next year will be one giant walk on white out.
by PurduePrincess on Mar 27, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I am the key in that.
I still have 4 years of eligibility
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 27, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there are probably enough guys on this site
to put together a team good enough to beat the Hoosiers.
by PurduePrincess on Mar 27, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I am 31 years old. I wasn’t that ood int he first place, and my feet have greatly reduced what athleticism I had.
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 27, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I would generally think that having feet
would increase athleticism, however, I’ve never seen anyone play basketball without them so I don’t have a good comparison.
by PurduePrincess on Mar 27, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant bad feet
I’ve been diagnosed with arthritis in both of my big toe joints. I wear orthotics, but it likely means surgery in the future and it can be very painful on some days.
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 27, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I was just being sarcastic
which doesn’t translate very well through type. How horrible would it have been if you had actually had your feet amputated or something. You could be a floating head for all I know. Anyway, I’d still put money on you to beat IU even if you were a floating head. At least you’d have a brain.
by PurduePrincess on Mar 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
if you provide no source other than a cryptic one
then that’s what you get.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 27, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this is turning into another
Barlow beat Smith up in practice story. All speculation for now.
by PurduePrincess on Mar 27, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
and that was coming from "sources" too
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 27, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing personal sir
Not making fun of you, just the fact that we all turn into little gossipy tweens about stuff like this.
It's a trick, get an ax
STL
I live in St Louis and the radio has been pretty fair in their coverage of this rumor. They thought that Martin would be a much more likely hire. Will be an interesting day tomorrow in light if the Tenn gig.
Brilliant move by Painter. Say nothing, drive up price with MO interest.
Boiler Up Burke
Speak Up
Someone needs to say something from Purdue, I can’t stand the wait anymore.
Pay this guy whatever it takes, if we don’t it’s a step backwards for the program especially after Hollowell just committed to IU.
As I understand it
at least according to GBI, Painter contacted Mizzou, not the other way around. If that’s the case one of two things is happening:
1) Painter wants out
2) He wants to leverage for a big raise.
Going to be somewhat hard for Burke to give a big raise after just giving him a raise and new contract after last season. Rumors are that Mizzou would be willing to go to near $2.3M, which is a full $1M base increase for MP. Going to be really tough to turn that down if Burke says no. Also, Mizzou has some sweet facilites (brand new arena).
Brian Neubert of GBI
Is confirming my fears. Just issued and article on GBi website saying “on the surface, things do not look or sound promising for Purdue keeping Painter.”
by BoilerHerrm on Mar 27, 2011 11:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's also indicating that Painter
Is not only Mizzou’s leading candidate, he’s their only candidate. In his words “Do the math.”
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Who is this? What's your operating number?
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Mar 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Staying put
I think the Martin Tennessee hire announcement means Painter is staying. Why would Martin take a job with a team on probation over his Alma Mater? Painter and Martin have not only presumably talked throughout this, but they have the same agent. If Painter was gone, Martin would be in unless Burke has rubbed Painter in such a wrong way that Martin also wants no part of Purdue any more.
Also, Purdue spent something like $90 million on the Mackey renovation. At this point, how could Burke not give Painter a raise? What’s another million at this point to make sure you get the return on investment you were expecting from the renovation? If Burke lets Painter leave, it will create a ripple effect of monetary failure. He can’t possibly be that stupid and let that happen.
It's OVER
Look on GBI dude. This is really happening
GBI is definitely making this..
..not seem very good. I had a bad feeling about the fact this rumor has lasted this long..I’m going to say that I am partly responsible…I mean hey..I have been a life long Cubs fan..life long Raiders fan and well of course I am a Purdue fan..maybe I should call it quits on supporting athletics teams!
I guess we'll just wait and see
I guess I just can’t believe it. I’m going to still put my money on him just trying to get raise out of sheer hope, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s gone based on hearing how he took issue with how his assistants have been treated over the years.
by boilerwillie on Mar 27, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you ever think Cuonzo saw the writing on the wall?
He knows how much Painters making currently at Purdue. It’s been well documented that Burke and Painter have argued over monetary issues.
Cuonzo knows all too well about Burke’a frugality. He’s set to make way more money at Tennessee (if he’s not already making more money, who knows how much Tennessee is giving him) than he’d ever hope to at Purdue
by BoilerHerrm on Mar 27, 2011 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fucking PAINTER contacted MIZZOU
He wants OUT, there may be nothing BURKE can do
Someone convince me that we wont settle for Lusk
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Knowing Burke
That’s exactly what we’ll do
by BoilerHerrm on Mar 28, 2011 12:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rumor has it
people are saying online that someone within the Mizzou AD claims that Painter will be announced as Mizzou coach on tuesday…
so the article says hes gone?
i don’t subscribe to goldandblack.com, so could someone sum it up.
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 28, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions
It doesn't say he's gone
Neubert is saying that these rumors have grown feet and that all signs are pointing to Purdue not keeping Painter. He mentioned it is a fluid situation and that things could change.
My guess is he’s gone
by BoilerHerrm on Mar 28, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And for the record
This sounds like it is has everything to do with money so Burke is going to have a lot of questions to answer if he walks.
by BoilerHerrm on Mar 28, 2011 12:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So help me God...
If Matt Painter leaves and it is due to AD Burke being a typical cheap assh^le..I will do everything in my power to get that SOB fired…especially if we settle for another Danny Hope type hire…(not a flame on him or the FB program..just saying)
I'm sure Morgan is not that stupid...
He would pay out the $$$ if he could but this could be coming from the Higher ups…
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by H Dot Jones on Mar 28, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Makers, All campaign
is completely seperate from Athletic budget, and in no way affects how much Morgan has to offer Painter. The academic budget in no way affects the athletic budget, as the athletic dept is self-sustaining.
If this nightmare becomes reality..
..what are the odds that www.firemorganburke.com becomes a real site? haha
Meantime in Tennessee....
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damn, id love Zo if Painters gone
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Mar 28, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Those idiots don't know anything
they don’t recognize his name so he must suck.
When you go to the UT SBNation site, you see that a lot of them are quite happy with the hire. People that actually know a bit about BB and coaching know its a solid hire.
by ruascott on Mar 28, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Painter's gone
I want Shaka Smart. At least he can sell recruits on his awesome name :)
Seriously though, where would we look for a coach with Martin off the list? You don’t think Lavin would leave St. John’s?
If Burke isn't going to pay our current proven commodity Painter....
…then why would Lavin or another top coach be compelled to come HERE ?
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Great point, no clue.
I’m just clueless on where we’d turn. Do you think Brad Stevens would view Purdue as a better job? Everyone seems to leave Butler. He’d have a great recuriting base already established in Indiana. Someone from the Indy Star was on ESPN Radio tonight and is worried he’ll leave after this year, but you’re right, I’m not sure why people would come here if they’re not going to get paid. Maybe our new facilities? I don’t know. I’m just baffled right now.
by boilerwillie on Mar 28, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
No - Brad is staying put
(again, we aren’t going to offer him more exposure/$$, so why come here?)
He has Butler on the national map and unless someone wants to throw a guaranteed contract of multi-millions his way, he has no reason to want to move away from Butler.
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Stevens =
1% chance.
If you can’t pay Painter, you can’t pay Stevens. He’s the hottest coach in the nation right now, and would command huge $$ to leave Butler. And if he goes it will be for a “bigger” job that Purdue.
If painter is gone, we get Lusk
it’s that simple. it will be an in-house hire. nothing impressive or expensive. probably lose a bunch of recruits and we slide back to the pack.
the life of a purdue fan
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Do you think it's squarely on Morgan Burke???
This could be on the board of trustees/ Cordova not trying to pony up the $$$ to keep their priorities on more important things such as Branding themselves. If and when the news is announced about this thing. I hope the alumni finally get it through their heads that they need to talk to Cordova, Trustees, and Burke and decide why Purdue isn’t being successful in athletics
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This is frustrating beyond belief...
Lord, I’m a Purdue fan. I don’t ask for much…BUT CAN SOMETHING FUCKING GO RIGHT AT PURDUE FOR A CHANGE?
FUCK this. It’s not official, but its looking WORSE and WORSE by the hour.
Fire Morgan Burke’s ass if he fails to get this done.
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You forgot to add the all-important
“Amen”
And I’m thinking the word “fuck” might not help out in that prayer…..but I could be wrong. :)
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FML.
I hate being so faithful to a school and programs that always bend me over………………
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
im at a loss right now.
same shit, different year. nothing goes right. if painter is gone……i dont know what to think.
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FUCK!
Imagine that if these rumors are actually true..what Purdue fans are going to feel like when they awake in the morning and read about it…
we'll find out soon enough...
Then we’ll react and move on…
Eventually Purdue will have to change their way of thinking…
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KOMU is reporting 7 yr 14 mil
not sure how reliable, but its something.
i want to cry.
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radio station in springfield
seeing it on twitter. also said turned down 2.2 mil per year to get extra money for assistants.
im resigned to thinking its true. hasnt been crap about purdue talking to him to re-up, so i think its not looking good.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright then.
Time to get a petition together to send Burke’s ass out on the street. Let’s go.
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someone prepare me a torch or a pitchfork
ill be in west lafayette tomorrow if im needed to help riot.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I gladly will.
Want yours sharpened for a kill?
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
before you blame this solely on Burke
Make sure you realize that this could be on the board of trustees and Cordova’s mantle….
jconline.com forums were talking on how some of the JPC alumni were not allowed to contact some of the richer Purdue alumni for financial help. With all speculations going on tonight, if this one is true. It tells you what you need to know about why Burke is lowballing coaches and why we’re getting bargain brand coaches and talent.
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Is this actually from their station?
All I see is other people referencing this station. Not actual RTs.
KOMU is a TV station in Columbia
Can we get a link to any of this?
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
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I should add
that not only is KOMU a Columbia TV station, it’s OWNED by the University of Missouri.
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Ha...well
I guess that means they get the first scoop. DOn’t see anything on their site or twitter account though…
he said he's still working on his source.
so i dont buy it.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ari Alexander
is the reporter that supposedley released this.
It might be all smoke and no substance
i cant find the original tweet and no one is retweeting it.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
IMPORTANT
I just checked the KOMU website and don’t see anything besides “Mizzou is interested in Purdue coach Matt Painter”
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions
Wow...this has got to be a bad dream..
I think someone on GBI may have discounted the KOMU post??
UPDATE: He's not 100 percent on his source
so im gonna call this one not true.
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Folks, there's several things that need to be understood here.
1. I don’t think Painter is the kind of guy who would do this to us.
2. It seems to be all smoke and mirrors…Twitter is on fire tonight but with no reliable sources.
3. Painter is in Florida with his family right now so how could he possible have already negotiated his contract. Bullshit.
4. I think a lot of us are jumping to conclusions. Let’s see what we have tomorrow.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
i think purdue offers a major called Jumping to Conclusions
so that point is to be expected
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
But I’m in serious panic mode here. Good luck trying to sleep tonight, self.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I had an idea once...
I called it a ‘jump to conclusions’ mat…
by PU03 on Mar 28, 2011 8:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Devil's Advocate
1) Its just a job at the end of the day. And it’s easy as fans to say the money isn’t worth it. I wonder how many would turn down an extra $700k-$1M/yr?
2) Agree here…though there is a lot of smoke and has been for about 24 hours
3) You can negotiate a contract over the phone – particularly when you have an agent.
4) Some may be jumping of bridges rather than to conclusions before we make it to morning.
One thing that reassures me is this
when anderson left mizzou for arkansas, actual reportsers were reporting it, like Katz and Goodman.
there have been no tweets out of them about painter even potentially leaving. you think they would want to speculate on this
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I just checked
NOTHING from ESPN on this. And they actually seem to have legit sources most of the time.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Twitter sucks right now
there’s too much without reliable sources…
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
Here's a little bit of a clue...
I have no idea what KOMU is but from a simple Twitter search it seems that this link is to a sports reporter for KOMU, Eric Blumberg. His tweet “KOMU is not reporting that” in response to @chrabe should answer our questions. http://twitter.com/BlumbergOTB
ok i think this major scare is over for tonight.
let’s all get a restless night of sleep and speculate in the morning.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If this happens
I will lose my shit… seriously lose it.
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BTFU
just put it as your signature
that way everyone can see it.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not going to.
Seriously. This day in age, all it takes is for someone random with no credentials to tweet something mildly ridiculous for it to blow up. I’m not saying that Painter isn’t talking with Mizzou or isn’t a target, but until ESPN reports it or has a source, I’m not believing it. No way.
by Caleb Benner on Mar 28, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It's true.
There’s been nothing from ESPN. At all.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It's simple, folks
If Mizzou offers 2mil per year, it’s all but a done deal. Frankly, I’m surprised that is a possibility. I really like Painter as a coach, but he’s not been past the Sweet 16. If he’s worth that, what’s Stevens worth?
by Bulldogsmoltz31 on Mar 28, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions
It's the fact that he's an alum and was hand-picked for this job
Now he could possibly bolt for more $$$. Just seems like if it weren’t for bad luck us Purdue fans wouldn’t have any luck at all.
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BTFU
I'm assuming Burke will attempt to counter it...
how can they possibly not realize what the man is worth? I’m almost legitimately going to riot with HawkeyeBoiler if this doesn’t go through.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, this scare is over for tonight with nothing real backing it
Let’s do what purdue fans do best. Have a restless night of sleep and get ready to speculate in the morning.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So here's what I'm thinking.
With the luck we’re due, Rob Henry goes out there and plays so well he’s a Heisman finalist in 2011. Also, we win the national championship in football.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:21 AM EDT reply actions
Not sure about an NC
Feels like coming from the “Leaders” division makes us practically a mid major* for football. And we all know how those did this past year.
*OSU excepted for occasional paid “greatness”.
I come from a land down unda
Seriously though,
I have faith in Painter. There’s no reason he shouldn’t be paid more, but he is not going to bolt that quickly. For goodness sakes, the reports also say he’s on vacation in Florida right now. You seriously think he’s worrying about this while on vacation with his family. Please. Some of us need to turn Twitter off and get to sleep. Twitter is not a source. I repeat Twitter is not a source!!! If ESPN starts reporting, then I’ll light my torch but not until then.
Haha, yeah I"m quite sure
he’s worrying about it while on vacation. Every coach knows there is a very tight window with these searches. They don’t last long at all, and if you don’t bite schools move on. Besides, reports are Painter reached out to Mizzou, not the other way around. He’s prob negotiating his $2M+ contract while sitting on the beach knocking back a Corona.
I don't believe that
with no source behind it.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that in an article earlier
in the day, maybe last night. It was referenced by GBI.
Right
But unless it comes from (and it pains me to say this) anyone associated with the major outlets ala ESPN ala Andy Katz, I won’t bite. No Mizzou-centric news media outlet who’s reporting a brother’s uncle who is 50% on the source of his friend from down the street saying that Jeanie heard Matt Painter might be the coach next year for $2 million will sway me.
by Caleb Benner on Mar 28, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And I say to you
Show me a source. Anything saying that Painter contacted them. Show me anything saying just that! I will say this loud and proud. I will eat every article of clothing on me if Painter comes out and announces that he is the new coach for Mizzou.
by Caleb Benner on Mar 28, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Tiger fan by birth and a Boilermaker fan by degree
…I have no idea what I would feel about Painter if he took the job. However, I remember laughing at the initial rumors and I stand by my opinion.
The local sportscasters here in St. Louis have had mixed opinions on tonight’s post-news sports shows; some recognize the ridiculousness of the situation by stating while others went to the lengths of saying Mizzou might be more attractive to Painter for, essentially, being an easier school to get into for recruits, and even touting the facility and fanbase (joke). With all the improvements going into Mackey the facility thing is a wash, at best – I am of the opinion that Mackey was, is, and will be a better college basketball venue than the rather stale (even when sold out) Mizzou Arena. Perhaps it would look better empty to recruits with all the luxury boxes, I guess. I prefer banners myself. As far as the fanbases go, well… Mizzou Arena seats a couple hundred more but having been to and watched dozens of games at both schools, I give the nod to Purdue, especially lately with the Paint Crew creating an unbelievable atmosphere. The old money folks who sit down low at Mizzou are also notorious for sitting on their hands during games.
The sky is not falling…
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Alright folks, I'm done for the night with this scare over.
Boiler Up always…we’re together on this until the bitter end. I’m a Boilermaker until the day I die.
by Jackson Brunner on Mar 28, 2011 1:27 AM EDT reply actions
I think its about time I give this site a rest for the night
As another blogger alongside of T-Mill, I WILL try my best to see if i can’t come up with anything. Batten down the hatches
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Just do it.
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Someone get me Painter's number
I’m gonna call him up in the morning to ask what’s up.
I come from a land down unda
Link to the KOMU news staff directory
http://www.komu.com/contact-us/
Don’t see that “reporter’s” name anywhere on there.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Fucking Tool....
This fucker has completely changed his tune now that he has given all of us a stroke. I just checked his twitter account for the 2nd time in the past 30 min. He has removed all his posts about Painter AND chnaged his Bio. He no longer has in his bio that he is a sports reporter for KOMU. Just some fucking tool that started a fucking rumor. I hate twitter…
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I can honestly say that I am more nervous/worried/sick/depressed/suicidal over this than I was both times with the Robbie news.
Dr. T-Mill?
We are screwed then.
I think the biggest thing to remember is that we know nothing for certain. Painter has an offer, and it is in his court to decide what to do with it. I will be sorely disappointed in him if he leaves because he would trample on loyalty for money. I would be disappointed in Burke too for doing (at least the way it seems now) nothing to stop this.
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Nobody has answered this for me
But is this solely on MJB? He has to be getting his orders from somebody. Is it Cordova? The trustees? etc? If so then that tells you all that you need to know about Purdue.
To your call once more we rally...
I think it would be Burke
The Athletic department regularly boasts about how it is completely self-sufficient, but it still has to go through the trustees for capital improvements like Mackey, new baseball field, etc.
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Well I should hopefully think that Morgan
would know the ramifications of not being able to provide the school’s most recognizable program the best opportunity to succeed would be.
It seems we’re a Big Ten School with Mid-American mindset. No wonder we lose to MAC schools in football…and choke in basketball…
To your call once more we rally...
Unfortunately you may be right
We field the fewest teams in the Big Ten and have the fewest National Championships and only more conference titles than Penn State. The only reason for that is the 80+ years of history over PSU.
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Dr. T-Mill
That is not making me feel any better…………..
Heading on up to the 5th floor to find that proverbial ledge now.
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
on the bright side (for me i guess)
if you google search “matt painter” a link to my article is the first thing that pops up
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he seems rather brotastic
i’ll give the guy credit, he managed to get half of indiana to shit their pants. this is why i hate the internet.
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
Just posted this above as you posted...
He has removed all his posts about Painter AND chnaged his Bio. He no longer has in his bio that he is a sports reporter for KOMU. Just some fucking tool that started a fucking rumor. I hate twitter…
gives reporters from Iowa a bad name
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
im considering facebook messaging him and giving him a piece of my mind.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You should.
Can I sue @AriA1exander for my near heart failure.
by BustedStuff22 on Mar 28, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that ESPN or some other national sports reporting agency is NOT..
..reporting this..makes me feel better about the situation..however..the GBI article by Brian completely makes me feel like driving to Purdue and camping outside Burke’s office and ask him what’s up in the AM.
Not gonna be popular but....
…losing MP as an in-game coach wouldn’t scare me at all. Losing him as a motivational coach wouldn’t bother me much either.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved the Painter years and what he’s done for the program but (I’m trying not to be reactionary here given the end of this season) it’s a well recognized truism in sport that if a team shows up unmotivated, unwilling or unprepared to play a game…it’s on the coach. Does that sound like Iowa, MSU3 or VCU to anybody?
Losing CMP would bother me most of all because of the immediate recruiting effects. Replace him with Zo, Smart, or Stevens and the 2012/13 recruits keep their commitments. Replace him with Lusk and watch them scatter like cockroaches.
In short, I want Matty to stay for a few reasons but thinking that he’s the only court tactician out there is naive – there are better.
I wonder what Kevin Stallings contract situ is like?
and i missed the kevin stallings comment
seriously, stallings is way overrated – after being built up year after year (some ESPN announcer said they would knock off Kansas), they flop in the tourney
I completely agree with you on Stallings
Sarcasm doesn’t play well in e form.
As long as the conversation centered around “Purdue Guys” like Zo and Lavin, I thought I’d throw another name from the Keady tree.
(Funny tho how nobody is clamoring for Webber) ;-)
Agree with this somewhat. The issue is the perception that we won't pay to keep our guy
If Painter bolts and we merely get another promising assistant coach, we are screwed long term.
At times..
At times I wonder if the rest of the country’s AD are playing jedi mind chess while Burke is playing checkers really bad.
Guys, don't get your hopes up here
Don’t forget that Painter rumors on Mizzo boards surfaced weeks ago. I saw some stuff there a couple days ago. The threat is oh so real. Unless this is game for Painter, then he’s gone. I don’t think it’s a game, he’s an honest guy (supposedly).
Yep
I share your thoughts. This is not going to end well in all likelihood.
by Bulldogsmoltz31 on Mar 28, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
well my last post before bed...
but anyone sayin he’s gone is really a bit silly – there have been no confirmed sources from either side that are saying anything with any real substance either way.
silly rumors at this point
You know what is cheering me up?
Purdue-Washington from 09. Always a fun game to watch.
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Not what I wanted to wake up to.
I can’t blame Painter if he decides to leave for the money. Every one of us would do the same thing. One thing I’ve learned from my time in the business world is that loyalty is a one-way street. So get yours when you can get it. My gut tells me this is a ploy by Painter’s agent to prove that Painter is a hot commodity on the coaching market and he is worth a heck of a lot more money. I just can’t imagine Missouri is the job that makes Painter leave. Duke, NC, Kansas, ok, but Missouri? I just don’t see it. But than again, I’m looking at this through my Purdue black and gold colored glasses.
ESPN Insider
One way or another, we should know by Tuesday whether Purdue coach Matt Painter is interested in taking the Missouri job.
Vahe Gregorian of the Post-Dispatch reports Monday that Missouri has already contacted Painter’s agent.
Interestingly, Missouri State coach Cuonzo Martin, who many considered to be a leading candidate for the Tigers’ job, accepted the offer to become Tennessee’s head coach on Sunday. A college teammate of Painter, Martin’s surprising decision could be telling as to what Painter is thinking.
“Considering they also share an agent, Buddy Baker,” Gregorian writes, “it might be surmised they would know each other’s plans and that Martin wouldn’t have gone to Tennessee unless he knew Painter wasn’t leaving [Purdue].”
Perhaps Matt Painter isn’t a complete shot in the dark, after all. A report in The Kansas City Star on Friday indicated that the Purdue coach is “high on the list of candidates” to replace Mike Anderson.
The story also mentioned Missouri State’s Cuonzo Martin as a secondary option for the Tigers’ opening. Interestingly, it points out, Martin was a teammate of Painter at Purdue and served as an assistant with the Boilermakers for eight seasons under both Gene Keady and Painter.
Rumors have been circulating that Purdue’s highly regarded coach, Matt Painter, could be a possibility for the Missouri job. As columnist Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch points out, Painter would be a long-shot — he’s a Purdue grad and, more than anything, would probably just use the rumors as leverage in negotiating a contract extension — but it’s not entirely out of the question.
“And if Painter wants this job, then [Missouri athletic director] Mike Alden won’t have to go on a coaching search. The ‘search’ would begin and end with Painter.
We don’t see any way Painter leaves his dream job at his alma mater for another school unless the money is just too good to pass up (he’s reportedly earning $1.3 million annually at Purdue). Even still, Purdue would likely do whatever it could to retain one of the best young coaches in the business.
Missouri athletic director Mike Alden wasted little time Wednesday describing the type of qualities that the Tigers’ next men’s basketball coach must have. Alden highlighted the following: a focus on academic success, an ability to recruit on a national level, a mentor of good behavior on and off the court, a dedicated work ethic.
Working off that criteria, Ben Frederickson of the Columbia Missourian came up with an initial list of candidates for the job.
VCU’s Shaka Smart is another strong candidate who could view Missouri as a “destination job.”
by BoilermakerAustin on Mar 28, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions
I really don't think G&BI has done a good job on reporting the Painter/Mizzou Rumors
I think they have been running with the rumors too much, and the ESPN article is closer to the truth.
Just caught up with this story this morning
I took these rumors as a joke a week ago, after reading all of the comments on here I am starting to really panic.
If Painter really does leave, to me it’s going to be worse than Hummel tearing his ACL in consecutive seasons. I really think its going to set us back for a long, long time. If this is really happening, I can’t believe, why cant anything good ever fucking happen for us.
Coaches like Painter don’t come around very often, and if we can’t hang on to one of our own, who has as bright a future as Painter does, and who has every reason to want to stay at Purdue, what hope is there for us?
Agreed
I’m almost at a loss for words right now.
by Boylemaker88 on Mar 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah....
The hell with Painter….I just keep thinking of the recruits. What a travesty.
by Boiler_Ditsor on Mar 28, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Tweet
I saw a tweet from Kyle Mollock saying that he prayed Coach Painter stays. Players these days seem to commit to the coaches more than the players so for our futures sake I hope he stays.
This is an absolute embarrassment......
I’ve always thought of Purdue as being the greatest basketball program without an NCAA championship. Yet, we’re losing our coach to Missourri??????????????????????????????????????
WTF is up with this. What a freaking embarrassment.
From a STL Boiler
Painter coming to Mizzou is gaining alot of momentum here. They pointed out that its not always about the money there are some other things they can offer. Here is the list.
-More Money
-Lower Academic standards for players
-Easier classes for players
-Beter working environment
-More pay for assistant coaches
-less recruitiing competition in regional area(KU is only real competitor locally)
Some of these things Purdue can fix but others would compromise the university’s standards.
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever.
Academic standards haven't been a recruiting impediment at Purdue
I don’t buy that one.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Easier Classes?
OLS at Purdue is hard?
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
by PurdueMatt on Mar 28, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chemistry
The class they pointed out was Chemistry. When I went to Purdue I thought everyone had to take at least one Chemistry class.
I don’t know if the Academic standards have or have not hindered players coming to Purdue. In the recent history Jeff Robinson comes to mind. He would have been a nice piece this year.
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever.
I don't know if I mind that.
I kind of like that our reputation is as an academic school first. I know we all want to win but at what cost?
It's a trick, get an ax
Academics
Recruiting I don’t buy. Mizzou consistently gets their best recruits snatched away by KU and KSU. Not to mention Illinois. There is a reason Mizzou has never been to a final four. This is a lateral and/or negative move by programs by painter (if he so chooses to go that route)
Academic standards is negligible. Even Purdue’s Engineering program is Easy to get into; its staying in it that’s hard. I would imagine applying for an OLS degree; with an academic scholarship behind your belt is easysauce to get into Purdue. Easier classes is also farce. I’m willing to bet athletes majors at Purdue are just as easy as any other public university. Maybe Mizzou is willing to “tutor” it’s students more (AKA take the test for them) but I still am doubtful that this would be a reason for Painter to leave. Otherwise he’d just go to the University of Memphis- AKA Tiger high school.
This is all about the money. Lets make this clear from the start. This is all about the money. If we lose Painter to Mizzou, who’s in a conference who’s foundation is shaky at best. Then Morgan Burke needs to get fired. Simple as that. We’ll never make a good hire for the next 2 decades with the reputation that Purdue doesnt pay.
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Academic standards haven't been a recruiting impediment at Purdue
I don’t buy that one.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Does anyone have GBI ultimate ticket?
Is there any new information in their “The Latest” column that’s currently up?
As of yesterday the GBI info
was looking very bad for Painter staying.
Not really
Just that there is a lot of leakage out of Missouri that says Painter is their man and its hard to find information to the contrary.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Ok thanks.
Of course it’s in their interest to do that. I hope GBI realizes that and isn’t unwittingly promoting Mizzous agenda here.
Is it really that horrible?
Before everyone goes nuts assuming him leaving will kill our program, try to separate the frustration we all feel from our bad losses, injuries etc. Will Painter leaving really kill us? He is an amazing X’s and O’s guy. I love Painter. But here is why him leaving may not be as bad as it sounds.
The state of Indiana has had more talent in the past 5 years than ever before…..and Purdue has grabbed (1) good class out of it….in all reality we haven’t landed a single good/great player out of Indiana since 2007. If you cannot land talent while winning you cannot land talent period.
If he wants to leave that his is choice, I am not going to get upset over it. The Ryne Smith, Bade, Byrd, and all other marginal athletes Painter has brought in aren’t exactly boding well for the future. He knows it wouldn’t be until 2015 that Purdue may be good again.
Our 2011 class has (2) guys who may turn out to be decent but nothing special. The 2012 class is garbage. 2013 is our only class that stands a chance of competing at the highest levels of the Big Ten. Do not kid yourself, he has been getting smoked by the schools in the region on the recruiting trail.
I really wish Cuanzo wouldn’t have taken the TN job. I do not blame him one bit. A guy like Cuanzo would have been great in the living rooms of young black athletes whose parents appreciate a strong black leader for their children to emulate. This would have given us a niche as there is only (1) black coach in the Big Ten (Tubby).
by BoilerRoleModel on Mar 28, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
Yes!
If for no other reason than the perception that Purdue is unwilling to pay fair market value for a top notch coach. I don’t necessarily agree with your take on recruiting being terrible since 2007. I think Lewis Jackson and Ryne Smith have been exactly what they were recruited to be, role players. Same could be said for DJ Byrd, although I expect bigger things out of him this upcoming year. TJ and AJ will be really good players and Rapheal Davis is a great player in the 2012 class. The only way it isn’t a terrible thing if Painter leaves is if we hire Lavin or Stevens…and those are pipe dreams to say the least.
Reputation
I understand what you’re saying. That being said
You can’t fire/let someone go based on what he HASN’T done yet. So far he’s nearly a 70 percent winning coach. Big ten Title, Big ten Coach of the year awards. I actually think we’ll be pretty good next year in the conference. So let’s look at what happens if we let him go.
Were stuck with the reputation that Purdue Doesnt pay, we lose the good 2013 recruiting class (potentially); as a result that compounds our bad situation to a worse situation. No recruits, (unhappy) coach with bad salary = Cellar Dwellars in basketball and football. Does Purdue want athletic success? Well we gotta pay for it. Maybe we start making it clear to the university/boosters?
What is Morgan Burkes e-mail
by PurdueEnginerd on Mar 28, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's lay off hte e-mails, guys
It may do more harm than good, especially if it comes from this site.
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by BoilerTMill on Mar 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
How will Burke be able to show his face in public if he lets Painter walk?
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Yes.
He recruits his guys and that is important. Taking the 5 most talented guys would not work out. They have to be a good fit, play hard on D, and go to class. He has done extremely well molding the program to that philosophy.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Yep.
That’s why I thought he was a shoe-in IF Matt decided to go. The folks at UT have NO IDEA what they’ve been given.
Visit Drafttek.com
This is the same shit that hurt Keady....
He did this shit a few times, and it hurt Purdue’s recruiting. Stability is huge in a kid’s eyes. And, whether Painter goes or not, this shows everyone that he is willing to listen to other opportunities, or else he would have shot this down already.
On a lighter note
when do you think they make reversible IU/Butler jackets, so IU fans can say they have a team to root for durring the NCAA tournament?
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