Amazement
by winnie42 on Dec 5, 2011 1:41 PM EST
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Today's coaches poll sees us with only four votes to the poll. I have no problem with this. The issue I have is having a team like Memphis sitting so high when they have two losses to Georgetown and Michigan(who also has two losses). Our two losses are OOT against the #8 ranked team and the #15 ranked team. Georgetown isn't ranked and Michigan is only ranked 19th? Does this make sense to anyone else.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/poll/2
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No, doesn't make sense
But I’ve also learned it doesn’t matter in Dec where you rank. What matters is your record in March. Just like IU can be undefeated at this point but it doesn’t matter if they can’t dance in March b/c they get killed in the B1G season.
Because EVERYONE wants to see a 9-6 OT shootout. Again.
Not to mention that ‘Bama lost at home, but Okie State lost on the road. It’s not about how good you are, it’s about if you’re in the SEC or not and can bring in ratings.
It's frustrating and sad.
People need to look past that SEC love and think about this: the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is between two teams in the SAME DIVISION of the SAME CONFERENCE. That just isn’t acceptable. It’s time for the BCS to go.
by Jackson Brunner on Dec 7, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Who is better?
I can’t stand the BCS (or the SEC) and think there should be a playoff system, but honestly, who do you think should be in the title game? I think most people agree that these are the two best teams.
OkSt beat 5 teams in the top 25. Bama, 2.
OKST won their conference, Bama did not. Bama lost at home, with week off to prepare, to the team they are replaying. OkSt lost to a bowl team on the road in that team’s Super Bowl on the day of a campus tragedy for OkSt, in double OT, after a questionable FG call in regulation.
OkSt earned a shot at the title. Bama did not.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 7, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think OkSt should be
in the title game too, but I have some issues with your argument. 1. In what sport are you required to win your conference to be league champion or conference champion? 2. Wasn’t it LSU’s super bowl too in the “game of the century pt. 100000000”? I think everyone is starting to get mad at Bama, when really they should be mad at the system. Alabama has done nothing wrong and is an excellent football team. They deserve to be able to play for the title. People are trying to say they should be punished for having the best team (one of the best ever) in their same division. Read this knowing that I am all for OkSt playing LSU and Bama getting shut out, but I see both sides.
Not hating on Bama, just the system.
And I would argue that under a system in which only two teams play for a title, yes, you should have to be the best in your conference to have a shot at being called the best in the country. That’s part of the problem with the BCS. I have no problem with conference non-champions making it into, say, an 8-team playoff.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
It's about losses
It always has been. ‘Bama lost once, by 3, to the team that everyone knows is the best and the team that is undefeated (which is why they didn’t win their conference). Ok St lost to an unranked team by 6. It’s a failed system, but looking at it that way it’s pretty obvious, that you can’t say that Ok St is a better team. Tell me that Alabama couldn’t beat the 5 teams Ok St beat.
Exactly
Everyone knows it’s a flawed system. Listening to JMV on my drive home yesterday, 2 Alabama fans called in saying how bad it was and would prefer a playoff, even if it meant their Tide wouldn’t make it to the title game. And that’s just in Indy. But most people agree that Alabama is one of the 2 (3 for sure) best teams in the country, and, at the very least, would be favored if they played OkSt.
If it's about losses, Boise would have played for a title twice by now.
The quality of your wins counts too, and in my opinion should count more than a so-called quality loss.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
someone, i forget who, said that the problem with picking Alabama over OkSt for the title game is that Alabama is better, but OkSt is more deserving.
The system is broken, but I doubt anything changes any time soon.
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Dec 8, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s kind of how most people feel. The NCAA has a meeting after the season on what to do with the BCS after the current TV contract ends in 2013. I know everyone hates how this turned out, but it could be a blessing in disguise (unless you’re an OkSt or Boise fan). This could have been the last straw for the BCS, at least the current format.
Rodney Dangerfield
We get no respect unless you use logic and stats then you would rank us 13th as kenpom.
Because Purdue will never get the respect they deserve
I’m used to it.
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respect...
what’s that?
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by 7_Painter's_First_Fan on Dec 5, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
it's not what you "deserve" it's what you can prove...
prove to them that you’re not just a decent team/program during the regular season and that you don’t have chokers mentality in the dance… that’s the knock on Purdue… change it, get respect.
To your call once more we rally...
so...
We get no credit for building the lead on a hostile environment, but we get blasted for letting it slip away. Sounds like Bloomington logic to me.
Black and Gold blood runs through my veins
by winnie42 on Dec 5, 2011 11:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
That's the way
it works. What did Butler get for taking a 3 point lead into half time in the title game last year? You have to play a whole game, and we didn’t. Just watch the highlights. They show maybe one play in the first half and the rest are Holloway hitting threes. I doubt many of the coaches who vote sit around watching these games on their spare time, if they even have any spare time. They have to go based on what they see in highlights, box scores, etc. I hate it, but he’s right. We’re not going to get any respect until we actually win something with our current guys.
That's why I won't bother about the ranking in December
Precisely they don’t sit around and watch the whole game. We know what happened, and what know the game is a confirmation that this team CAN compete with ANYONE in the country ANYWHERE. Sure, the ranking won’t reflect this, but over the long haul of the season, it will be reflected in other games. At the end of the day, what really matters is the ranking in March.
True
And people say that rankings don’t matter. Right now they don’t. In March they do, at least for schools like Purdue, Xavier, Alabama, etc. A school like Duke or UNC or Kentucky is going to get a good seed based off of reputation and also they have so many televised games and everyone has seen them play. That’s not the same for us. I agree, we can play with anyone. I’m excited for the rest of this season. Would have been nice to get a W for seeding in March, but we’ll just have to make that one up by winning one we’re not supposed to.
Goldandblack.com
Anyone have ultimate ticket access? Their front page article is that Painter changed his opinion of the Xavier game. Curious as to know the specifics there…
Regarding the comments on this page, I think both arguments have valid points. Yes, in sports, as in life, RESULTS are all that matters ultimately. Whether you’re a basketball coach, plumber, teacher, engineer, or whatever it’s all about the bottom line. AKA “Just win, baby.” BUT, to deny that the talking heads of the world have an SEC football and Big East / ACC basketball love affair going on is living with your head in the sand. All we heard for years was that the ACC owned the Big Ten in the challenge. This year, there was nary a word as to the results. The only good news with basketball is that it’s ultimately settled on the court, although the talking heads do have a say in bracket seeding and matchups, etc. Bottom line is if we beat whoever they put in front of us, the talking heads won’t matter…in basketball anyway…
by One of these days on Dec 6, 2011 8:21 AM EST reply actions
right after the game he thought they played pretty well for first 30 minutes
after watching the tape, he didnt think they played that good at all. something along those lines
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Dec 6, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think...
the fact that they were given some votes in both polls show that we people are paying attention AND giving them respect. They have not BEATEN a ranked team yet in both games they have played against them. I think it is encouraging that they almost took Xavier to the woodshed before Travis Carroll happened in a true road game. For once we are trying to be tested like Michigan State does every year. It seems MSU plays a murderer’s row of non-conference opponents and they end up with up to 4 losses before BigTen play starts. However, they find a way to consistently get better and make legitimate Final Four runs nearly every other year. I’d take that experience over being 8-0 and under the wrongful impression that ‘The Movement’ has taken place before playing any teams with a pulse. The NC State win was impressive for IU simply because it was a tight game on the road, not because NC State is anything great. I love seeing their fans worked into a lather before reality soon approaches.
Agreed
I’d rather we play competitive games and suffer losses early in the season BUT LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES AND IMPROVE than a 8-0 or 10-0 record heading into the B1G only to having a losing conf record.
I think you’re kind of on the right track, but I don’t think we have done anything scheduling wise close to what MSU does. In fact, I think we’re closer to scheduling like IU this year. We played Alabama in a preseason tourney that we were invited to. We scheduled Xavier, who happens to be a top 10 team. It’s not like scheduling UNC, who is a perennial contender. IU still plays Kentucky. That will be the true testiment for them. Just like how it is annoying when they proclaim they are back, it is equally annoying when we bash them for their schedule. They have done what they are supposed to do. They have a huge game coming up and most reasonable IU fans, at least the ones I know, are only hoping to keep it within 10-20 points. Let’s not act like we are holier than they are. We don’t know how good they will be, and quite frankly, as much as we might not want to admit it, Zeller looks very good so far. So far being the key words.
Yeah, I know...
this isn’t ANYTHING like dealing with what MSU does but I do like the fact that they have been tested. The D and free throw shooting was awful early yet they found ways to beat High Point (yikes), Iona, and Temple in tight games. They also lost 2 guys to the NBA last year. This experience in dealing with adversity early while providing minutes for a lot of different guys (except for Travis Carroll and Sandi) will really benefit them later in the year. Its OK to stay under the radar ranking-wise. Luckily in college basketball (unlike football), you get to prove how good you are on the court regardless of program pedigree, prestige, how well you travel, etc.
And really, part of the reason MSU can schedule like they do is because of reputation. There’s no way UNC would agree to do a home and home with Purdue. Same for a lot of schools. MSU has a large following and has been extremely successful, especially as of late. For the Carrier Classic, I don’t think either one of the schools set that up. I believe they were both invited. So for us to schedule tough like that we need to win and win consistently. I have faith that Painter will get us to that point.
Agree
And I think we need to get that “reputation” b/c that helps our recruiting. Win or lose, telling a kid that our team is going to play on an air carrier in front of the President will get you lots of attention, esp. 5* kids who want the national spotlight.
Yep, and can you really blame a kid for going to MSU over Purdue? We all know about the Final Four guarantee, and like you said, they get those perks over us. The best thing to happen to us is Painter basically holding the program hostage until they agreed to put more money and resources into it. I think that will work wonders, and Painter knew it.
One of the assistants for MSU came up with the Carrier Classic idea
about 4 years ago and it took that long to get it approved & created.
2018
We’re playing against Colorado on the moon.
Don't let Wiggs kick...it's hard to play when the ball's in orbit.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 8, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like my "Bloomington Logic" has prevailed
Whatever that was supposed to mean. Look this program needs to win, in March, period. What Butler did, was the EXACT thing that we needed to do be seriously considered by recruits and media. But hey, they’ll keep on trying to get there eventually. Need a player that has skill and toughness, pretty much Kramer that’s also an ACTUAL offensive threat (Be honest with yourselves guys… I know there’s a lot of manlove for CK3)
To your call once more we rally...
I think he was busy
going to BBQ’s at Bruce Pearl’s house….
by One of these days on Dec 7, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
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