Purdue Football 2012: A Crossroads Season
I am going to begin the football postmortem with a very bold statement: If we do not win the Leaders Division and reach the 2012 Big Ten Championship game we will have whiffed on our best chance to reach said game in the next 10 years.
I know you think I am crazy, but it is true. Let's look at the other five teams in our division:
- Wisconsin - The Badgers still own us, but with Montee Ball and Russell Wilson being gone, they might take a slight step back. If we get very lucky at home you never know what might happen.
- Ohio State - The Buckeyes should be good, but motivation is a question with nothing to play for. We own them at home, but it is time to end our longest road losing streak in Big Ten play.
- Penn State - They are a tire fire that no one wants to coach. The Nittany Lions are a gigantic toss-up right now.
- Illinois - Sure, Tim Beckman beat us in his last game, but this is a transition year for the Fighting Illini.
- Indiana - It's Indiana. No offense, but I think NASA will send the first man to the sun before the Hoosiers win the 2012 Leaders Division. The phrase, "It's Indiana" is a positive in basketball, but explains everything in football.
Now, do I expect to win the Leaders Division? Of course not. That is a wild expectation. Still, it may be our best chance to do something for awhile. We're never going to be presented with as unique of a set of circumstances as we will in 2012. The three cross-division games against Minnesota, Iowa, and Michigan are about as easy as we can ask for. Michigan is a tough team to beat, but Iowa seems to be settling into a comfortable Tiller-pattern with Kirk Ferentz and Minnesota is still Minnesota.
So what can we expect in 2012? The news of a major defensive end recruit, Ryan Watson, committing today could be a game changer. I like Ryan Russell as a player, but if Watson can come in and play immediately (as a four-star at Purdue should be able to do) he will fill one of only three defensive starter positions we have open. On offense, we need to find a quarterback, but that is the only major question mark given the talent we have at the skill positions.
Danny Hope needs a big 2012, and he at least has the players to do so. Here is how each unit breaks down:
Offense:
We return a starter at quarterback, have to replace one receiver, and have a bevy of talented running backs. We're slowly shifting to a running game, but as long as we recognize it as a strength and exploit it I am happy. Robert Marve, Caleb TerBush, or Rob Henry will start the opener. Of that I am confident. Whoever starts will have weapons at his disposal.
Dennis Kelly and Nick Mondek need to be replaced on the line, but Ken Plue returning from ultra-double-secret probation will help. Jack DeBoef or Trevor Foy will likely move into Kelly's position, while Plue should start if he plays. As long as we get consistent quarterback play I am excited about the offense.
Defense:
Three starters are gone: Gerald Gooden (who had a feast or famine bowl game), Joe Holland, and Albert Evans. The time has come for E.J. Johnson or Ishmael Aristide to step forward, though Max Charlot could be a solid replacement. I like Joe Gilliam to replace Holland, and the defensive end replacement needs to be someone who can get to the quarterback or at least be serviceable as a decoy for Russell.
Special Teams:
I like the nickname for Raheem Mostert that was revealed in the bowl game Open Thread: Contrail. that comes from the cloud of vapor a jt leaves behind. The dude is a jet that needs the ball in open space. Cody Webster is back, but the kicking job needs to be filled. I ask only for perfect extra points and range from 50. Any college kicker should be able to do that.
Schedule:
Let's break it down into three sections: Should win, toss-ups, and likely losses:
Should win: Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Michigan, Marshall, Indiana, Minnesota
As I have said before, there is no excuse for a Big Ten team to ever lose to a 1-AA team. Eastern Michigan and Marshall had at least .500 seasons this year, but we have got to be able to win those games at home. We whipped Minnesota this season, and I know most Purdue fans agree there is never a valid excuse for losing the Bucket in West Lafayette.
Toss-ups: Illinois, Penn State, Michigan, Iowa
Michigan is the biggest toss-up, and I only put it here because we get the Wolverines at home. Illinois is in transition, Penn State's situation is something I would not wish on anyone, and Iowa shouldn't be good, but we struggle at Iowa greatly. I think we can definitely take two of these games, with Michigan being the toughest of the four.
Likely Losses: Wisconsin, Ohio State, Notre Dame
We need to come to the realization that we suck in South bend. We have on win in the last almost 40 years there, and it took a Heisman candidate and a pretty bad ND team to get it. I'd love to win there, but I am skeptical at best. The same is true for Ohio State, We own them in Ross-Ade, but at the Horseshoe we can't get over the hump. Wisconsin is the definition of a bad matchup for us.
Best Case Scenario: 9-3 and a berth in the Big Ten title game
Worst Case Scenario: 6-6 and back in Detroit.
Sorry Danny, but we made a bowl as the worst possible bowl team in the conference. We expect them now.
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sounds about right
First, has Montee Ball said if he is declaring for the draft or is this a forgone conclusion. Second, does anyone know the real status of Ken Plue? I would imagine he has a chance to play next year and if I’m reading right you are saying he is returning. Is that right?
I agree that we should be able to compete for the leaders division champion. Even if OSU has a better record it won’t count so that should help. We should really be able to beat teams like Penn St and Iowa right now. I would say there is no reason not to expect a 7-5 season or better. I could see us going 5-7 or 6-6 pretty easily based on our past. Marshall is probably no guaranteed victory.
what happened with Plue?
And is he coming back next year?
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Dec 29, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I see Michigan with a good chance to win the conference next year.
I also wouldn’t sleep on Penn State being good, despite the off the field issues. They’ll finally have some stability at quarterback.
How many does it take
Maybe we could play Terbush and Robinson on the Offensive Line and Hemry and Marve in the backfield. That would be the ultimate Danny move – the 4 quarterback on every play system – other teams would copy it for sure
"As long as we get consistent quarterback play I am excited about the offense"
I am a bit skeptical about that aspect, even with the returning starters.
Haven’t we been asking for consistent QB play for 2 years? Last year was injuries, this year was “the system.”
I feel like a healthy Henry will bring exactly that consistency.
He may not throw for 400 a game, but he is a very smart player who generally made good decisions, even when thrown into the grinder as a freshman. Him being voted team captain as a sophomore this year tells me volumes about both his intelligence and ability to lead this team, and also the faith this team has in him. If his throwing has even slightly improved, he can be the solid-but-not-elite guy we’re looking for.
And when you add in the effects of his running, both in taking it himself and in drawing heat off the RBs on option-style plays, and he fits the capabilities and strengths of this offense well.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 29, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Henry will be ready
Look at Marve, he never really regain to form … definitely not within 12 months.
Henry's tear was early on in practice, probably at least a month earlier than Marve's.
And, more importantly, it was Marve’s second tear, which undoubtedly slowed his recovery. And, as a counter-example, even on his 2nd tear, Robbie was ready in 12 months.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 30, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I like Henry and I think he has the inside track
But in 2010, we saw the 2-QB system early in the season, splitting between Henry and Marve, it was the injury to Marve that forced the coaches’ hand in making Henry the full-time starter.
So I am worried that they might try to pull the same trick, assuming we have 3 healthy guys with experience (Henry, Marve, TerBush).
I’m a bit torn as well, because I would like to see Marve start a few games if he gets his NCAA waiver. He’s worked extremely hard during his time at Purdue and I think the offense responds to him very well as a leader. I noticed several times throughout the bowl game that he was one of the first/most excitable guys to congratulate players when they made a big play, even when he was standing on the sideline. That’s a sign of a guy who is really committed to the team, and I think the players respect him quite a bit.
Regardless of who ends up with the starting spot, I just hope the coaches will stick with one player long enough for them to develop a real rhythm and presence within the offense.
I guess I was assuming that Marve would not get his waiver.
After the Keith Smith fuck job, I don’t expect a damn thing from the NCAA. We’re not a cash-cow program, so we get screwed over.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 30, 2011 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's entirely fair
Jason Werner and Torri Williams were both granted 6th years in the past couple of seasons. I didn’t understand the Smith decision, but I don’t think the NCAA is out to screw Purdue guys.
Werner and Williams were pretty clear-cut cases, IIRC.
I just don’t see Marve as having that overwhelming of a case. And in the marginal situations, I expect the NCAA to be arbitrary and capricious as usual.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 30, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to say
awesome job on using the capricious
by jack'sIUdisdain on Jan 3, 2012 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
T-Mill
what about 5-7. If you have the “toss-ups” as wins to get 9-3, you also have to do the “toss-ups” as losses too. Worst is 5-7. If we throw-up on Marshall or another nonconf opponent, it gets worse. I don’t expect that but lets consider the options as it has happened before.
x2
My prediction is actually 5-7, b/c to me, our toss-up games are on the road and we just aren’t a good road team.
You probably predicted that this year
and we won a bowl game. How about supporting this team?
by Jackson Brunner on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong
I actually predicted 6-6 this year (3-1 non conf, 3-5 B1G w/wins over Minn, Iowa and IU).
And how am I not being supportive? Look up what I wrote –
Hope is here to stay for a year so we may as well just support him and hope for a miracle turnaround
Speaking of support, how about you supporting the players? You know, like Marve, if he so chooses to come back and if the NCAA somehow grants him the sixth year? You may criticize his decision making as a QB, but if he wants to play for Purdue, why try to get rid of him? If he is not good enough to play, Coach won’t play him (as we’ve seen). But at the minimum, support players who do want to play and fight for Purdue, isn’t that basic courtesy as a fan?
I think we are on the same page charles. 6-6 season was expected this year and that’s what we got. Next year seems to be 6-6 or 7-5 expected. I will support Purdue but not Danny Hope or his boss. But the contract is written in blood (or Pizza sauce from Bruno’s) that Hope is here to stay. There might be signs of improvement but that improvement does not get us to where we want to be. When I say “want to be” I mean 8 easy and exciting wins. Divide the B1G into three categories, The Good, The Average, and The Ugly. I want Purdue to be in “The Good” section, competing strongly with Wisky, MU, OSU, NU (Nebraska), and MSU. Want to add ND in there too. That is not much to ask of the program, but a lot to ask of DH.
I will be happy with whatever Marve chooses. He probably does not have a NFL career due to chronic knees and we know that DH/Nord will not have him as a single QB on the starting roster, which hurts him. So it is just best for him to give up the torch. Marve was supposed to come in and be the next Brees (total package)/Orton (total package)/Painter (arm strength only). That didn’t workout mainly because of the state of the program and DH was more excited about talking up Marve than preparing him, add in the knee injuries and we have a FUBAR situation. Marve would have been excellent if he had been here during the reign of Curtis Painter, maybe went to the rose bowl in one of those years with his talent. If he leaves, we open up another scholarship spot, correct? That is a little more useful to Purdue right now than warming the bench.
Marve and Henry
I really liked the 2QB system we had with them. It was working well while Marve was healthy. Hopefully Marve gets his sixth year and Henry comes back strong.
We shouldn't want Marve back.
That’s far too many quarterbacks and Marve makes terrible decisions.
by Jackson Brunner on Dec 29, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Can you blow some sunshine up my ass too?
Saying they’re not going to get us into the upper echelon of the Big Ten doesn’t mean we’re not supporting them…. There’s a difference.
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 30, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
There went the point....yep, you missed it.
Jackson regularly rides charlespig’s and mine and several others’ asses about not “supporting the players” when we expect them to, you know, not fuck up royally. The good doctor was simply offering him some of his own medicine.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 30, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
we can never have too many QB's
we had what, 4-5 different QB’s start last year?
and like charlespig said above, if a kid wants to come to Purdue and play, why the hell wouldn’t you support him?
Wisconsin
I think we have a much better shot at Wisconsin than Michigan. They basically lose all their major players, while Michigan returns most of their team except the D-line.
The Leaders contenders next year will be Wisconsin/Purdue/Illinois. All three will be on roughly the same level (which is to say they’re lucky Ohio State can’t win the division).
by lonewolf371 on Dec 30, 2011 12:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
SECONDARY 2012 –
BoilerTmill, Your player evaluations and assessments on who should play clearly does not consider what these players have done while wearing a Purdue jersey. Your 2012 evaluation was based on 3 defensive starters lost, failing to mention a 2 year starter in Link. You failed to mention or consider a contributor at Safety who against ND had a career high 8 tackles and for the season was a top 15 finisher in tackles. Do your readers a favor and do a little research on the athlete before posting simply based on your narrow minded opinion. I am curious on how and on what basis you make your assessments …
by jfeichter@logikos.com on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions
I have mentioned Landon Feichter in another article
This is a very quick and dirty look at next year. As the offseason goes on I will have a much more in depth preview of each position.
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