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Purdue 76, Iowa 73: Step One Complete

Yes, Iowa may be one of the bottom teams in the conference, but as we learned last season when they were even worse, it is never easy to win on the road in this conference regardless of the venue. The same was true a few seasons ago when we lost a similar game in a half empty arena at Penn State. You cannot take anything for granted in this league. Every road victory is not given, but earned, even at the bottom of the conference.

That's why I am not very concerned that this game was close throughout. It ended in the best possible result: a victory. As I keep saying, 10 wins in conference likely makes us safe for the NCAA Tournament. We now have one of those ten victories, and technically, as long as we don't lose at home, we would get 10 as a result. That's before a trip to Penn State which also should be a win.

We saw a lot of positives in this one. First, we had a lead and did not blow it. The Hawkeyes tied it a few times, but they were never able to take the lead (much to the dismay of Tim Doyle, who was soiling himself anytime Iowa made a run). Second, we got contributions from unexpected sources. John Hart did what he does: hit some big shots at key moments. Travis Carroll hit a couple of baskets. Jacob Lawson got a few points in the paint.

Star-divide

Positives From The Iowa Game:

Robbie Hummel - It is not like Robbie is ever a negative, but this was one of the first games where he answered with a basket, often of the spectacular variety, whenever we needed one to stymie a run. He also showed that we do have a steady presence at the free throw line to close out a game. Those two free throws he hit to seal it in the last 10 seconds may not seem like much, but it was a one and one situation and with the way we have struggled at the line specifically in those situations it was huge to be able to finally knock them done and close out a game. I am not averse to putting in Dru Anthrop and Neal Beshears in situations when we need free throws as long as they can hit them. If we have to get the ball in Rob's hands I now feel more secure.

D.J. Byrd - When D.J. plays like he has played in the last two games we are a much better basketball team. Byrd allows us to give Rob a rest from time to time, and now he is being as aggressive as Rob in terms of attacking the basket. In the Xavier and Butler losses we blew our leads because we stopped attacking the basket. D.J. is not afraid to attack, and neither is our next positive.

Kelsey Barlow - I think we're getting good GDB for the rest of the year. It seems like ti is finally coming on for Kelsey because he realizes he has a unique ability to rebound that no one else on the team has. He also has the skill to get to the rim in the moments where we tend to pass the ball around the perimeter. His drive with 20 seconds left was an absolute backbreaker after Matt Gatens had cut the lead to half with a three.

John Hart - He really is the Hitman. Once again, Hart wasn't the leading scorer, but it seemed like every one of his baskets was huge. That's why I love the name "The Hitman" for him. He steps in and hits absolutely huge shots, just like the run-breaker in That Game at Minnesota that turned things around. He has a knack for hitting key buckets, so he earns minutes on my team.

Lewis Jackson - LewJack is a warrior. He struggled tonight, but still had two huge drives in the last two and a half minutes when we needed a basket. Yeah, he might be playing with a stress fracture in his back, but he still led us with 30 minutes played and flung himself down the lane against Melsahn Basabe and Zach McCabe.

Carroll and Lawson - We only got eight points and five rebounds from them, but Lawson is becoming an active rebounder. Carroll's two baskets were the result of solid cuts off of screens that freed him to the basket. Slowly, he is regaining some confidence on the offensive end. I know a lot of people don't like him, but as long as he is improving (and I think he is offensively ahead of Bade at this point last year), I am happy. As for Lawson, he is improving as well. His last basket was definitely a "thank you" basket, but I will take it.

Negatives From The Iowa Game:

Terone Johnson - 8 of 32. That is TJ from the free throw line this season. A scoring guard, one who can create his own shot and get to the foul line, is an absolute liability once he gets there. It is inexplicable at this point because he should be so much better. TJ has a lot of promise. Anthony Johnson is the same. They can't be trusted until they are shooting at least 65% from the line though.

Defense - It seems like our typical Purdue defense goes in spurts, as we look good for stretches, then we forget about shooters and give up baskets in transition. We're still a vulnerable team to guys that can create their own shots. Iowa stayed close by attacking the basket and getting to the line. Part of that was inconsistency on the officials, but part of that was also them knowing when and where to attack. I'm confident that if we can tighten this up we'll be fine.

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All told, the numbers tell a pretty good story. We equaled a bigger team in rebounding. We took care of the basketball. We shot 50% from the field and 30% from long range. We shared the ball with 11 assists. Most importantly, we got the win. You take those on the road in the Big Ten any way you can get them.

Saturday will be a major test against an Illinois team that sits outside the rankings and has a monster in the middle named Meyers Leonard. I've talked to Joe K. from Hail to the Orange quite a bit and he agrees that any possession where Leonard doesn't get a touch is a wasted possession. That is especially true against us and our lack of a true post presence.

Rest assured, I will be there in person on Saturday. This is the first time this year I get to see us play in person because I was sick the night of the Miami game. Mrs. T-Mill and I will even be in the alumni Paint Crew screaming our fool heads off. Since this is my first game as part of the Paint Crew/Gene Pool in 11 years we had better win.

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Just curious, you expecting Byrd to score 14?

Since you didn’t even mention him but Carroll in “contributions from unexpected sources”.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

When he plays as aggressive as he has in the last two games, yes

He’s showed me a lot lately, and is finally playing to his potential

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Negatives:

1) I think Lew probably had one of his worst games this year last night. He not only was a liability at times on offense, he was overmatched on the Defensive side due to his height disadvantage. Not saying anything other than that, he is still one of the best PG’s we’ve ever had and he is critical for our success this year.

2) Travis Carroll. Please guy, get angry once in a while and drive to the basket. Lay it in. Dunk it. Do something!

Close by the Wabash, In famed Hoosier land, Stands old Purdue, Serene and Grand, Cherished in Memory,By all her sons and daughters true, Fair Alma Mater, All Hail Purdue

by BoilerUpAT on Dec 29, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

x2 on Carroll

DJ Byrd has a great dish to TC and he misses a short wide open bank shot. Having said that, at least he is showing baby step improvement.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He played solid

We don’t need him to be an all star, but he contributed.

by JAZ1142 on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

he did play solid

and in fact I think he looks to be changing a little bit toward a more aggressive confident player, however…

he not only blew a 4 foot wide open shot, the fucking 4 foot path to the basket was TOTALLY clear and he decides to shoot a jump shot instead of lay it in or heaven forbid, dunk it. I guess he probably was second guessing shooting a wide open layup.

by Boiler00 on Dec 29, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Not expecting him to be all-star

But he isn’t solid. As many notice, when he had a clear path to the basket from 4-foot and he missed a banker when any big men should just drive and dunk (or at least an easy lay-up). Most importantly, in 17 minutes of play without a single reb as a big man (and the opposing team doesn’t have a guy over 6’7) is unacceptable in my book.

To be fair, we are being very critical of TC and magnify every of his mistakes while not giving him enough credit when he made a good play (e.g. the pick-and-roll with LewJack).

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh lord

can we please stop picking apart one play? He was indecisive once over the course of a 40 minute game and it did not cost us a win. That is a vast improvement over the Xavier and Butler games where you could see him come apart in sections. Cut hte kid some slack for crying out loud. it was one damn play!

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

You don’t count all the missed chances at a rebound as being indecisive? If he was decisive the whole rest of the game he would have gotten a foul or a rebound.

by mastertim on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Although he got 0 rebounds

I saw several times where he sealed his man and allowed someone else to get a rebound. While not statistically good, it was effective.

by JAZ1142 on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This is right

Any statistic has noise, and this goose egg is just noise.

Look at Carroll’s game log. He’s gotten zero rebounds in 3 different games this season: Western Carolina (6 minutes of playing time), Butler (5 minutes of playing time), and yesterday. Aside from that, he’s pulled down 44 rebounds, an average of 4 per game, and a little over 9 per 40 minutes.

There are plenty of things to nitpick about Carroll’s play, but there’s no need to fixate on one number from one game.

by septimusharding on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez, I am at least merciful

I already acknowledge we are magnifying every one of his mistakes while not giving him enough credit. But dude, there is no way you can justify ZERO reb in 17 mins as our big man (and one who is not a shot blocker) against a team whose effective height is smaller than us.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Solid?

The guy is way too timid. If he had 0 fouls and 10 rebounds I’d be ok, but 0 fouls, 0 rebounds indicates nothing but inaggressive play style. To call him a positive is a major stretch. Aside from the missed layup there was no glaring error, but if you sit and watch him you see tons of little mistakes that lead to lost oppurtunities for us and easy oppurtunities for them.

by mastertim on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think in this case

Positive can be used interchangeably with “non-negative”. Just look at last nights game thread. Where there are usually screams to revoke Carroll’s scholarship or ship him to another continent, last night there was approval of nearly everything he did. Sure he’s still timid, but last night was big step forward for him, and I think everyone is just thrilled to see him have a positive impact on the outcome of the game.

by AAMB Boiler on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Carrol

He seems like a good kid, but he is a role player at best. If he could just master that 10 footer, that would be great. Painter must recruit some big, physical players in the future. Not sure about Hammons anymore since he’s been benched for who knows what and not sure if the Simpson kid is the answer. We need to thin out recruiting 2’s & 1’s and start getting a big nasty player ala Michigan State. Our bigs are way too nice.

by Hath88 on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen the recruits coming in next year?

Both a 7 footer and a 6’10" kid. With Lawson we’ll be huge. Now, I’m not sure who’ll be the point guard getting it to them . . . Anthony johnson maybe.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe depending too much on the freshman class next year but..

Ronnie Johnson could get some early time at the point guard spot.

by boilermaker4 on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He's had a nice game or two from what I've read

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I've read a lot of good stuff about him too

I’m just not sure if we are going to be relying that much on our freshman right away next year.

by boilermaker4 on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm, who plays point then?

I don’t see anyone certain on this years roster, maybe one of the Johnsons but I’m not sold.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna say AJ

But I’m not positive he’ll be ready to do that just yet, could always let Barlow bring it up for us, he’s improving a lot this year

by boilermaker4 on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Barlow's a secondary ball handler in my view,

Yes, I’d like more of AJ distributing as the year goes on.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Never mind, you mentioned them

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

about LewJack

sure he didn’t gave a great game but man all I could think when I watched him last night is he REALLY gives it his all. I mean, there are others who do as well, namely D.J. Byrd but LewJack takes a lot of abuse and just keeps fighting. Plus at the rate he makes some very difficult layups (which he didn’t do so well as a freshman) I love his style of play. Usually when it looks bad and he’s just throwing it up against someone a foot taller and it usually gets blocked at least he is creating and trying to draw the foul.

On a final note, I think he got hammered a few times last night and nothing was called.

by Boiler00 on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Also-agree here

In the end of a game, where we are for sure going to be going to the foul line, why doesn’t CMP put in Anthrop and Beshears? That is an excellent point and I couldn’t agree more. If TJ and LJ aren’t hitting FT’s by this time in the year, they aren’t going to. Get the guys in there who can.

This will win/lose us some games this year, no question.

Close by the Wabash, In famed Hoosier land, Stands old Purdue, Serene and Grand, Cherished in Memory,By all her sons and daughters true, Fair Alma Mater, All Hail Purdue

by BoilerUpAT on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Why?

Because you still need to defend and rebound the basketball

by ZoKnowsDefense on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

not in an intentional foul situation

When it is under 35 seconds and we have a lead we’re not looking to rebound or defend. we’re trying to successfully inbound and get fouled.

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

And it’s not like those guys aren’t basketball players. They know how to defend also. Sure, they aren’t starters but they aren’t ghosts either.

Close by the Wabash, In famed Hoosier land, Stands old Purdue, Serene and Grand, Cherished in Memory,By all her sons and daughters true, Fair Alma Mater, All Hail Purdue

by BoilerUpAT on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I Can See

when you there is offensive substitution on a dead ball you can bring those guys in. other than that your opponent is still trying to score to cut that lead and you need to defend that.

by ZoKnowsDefense on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

There are other considerations.

Jackson has to be on the court to break the press. We’ve seen this team collapse without him in that circumstance before.

They also have to be able to get the ball in, and not turn it over. Can Anthrop and Beshears get open against much better athletes when it matters? Can they come in cold and take care of the ball in that situation? Can they hit important free throws without having played all game?

by Ray Williams? on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Just saying

Anthrop is a pretty good athlete himself

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s a great shooter and a good Big Ten athlete but he never plays? I don’t buy it. Nothing against the kid, but if he held his own in practice against our rotation players, he’d get some burn.

by Ray Williams? on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You didn't see his out-of-bound play against IPFW?

Dude, he is playing behind Ryne Smith, TJ, AJ, and now John Hart. Where do you find the minutes?

And since when has he become a GREAT shooter?

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

So, he's better than I think because he's worse than the other guards on the team?

It’s an interesting argument, if nothing else. That’s not exactly the greatest guard rotation in the country to be stuck behind.

by Ray Williams? on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Urrr

Your doubted that Anthrop can get open against much better athletes when it matters. My point is that he himself is a good athlete too, a state champion in baseball. Being a good athlete doesn’t necessarily get you PT, but if it is just to get open for a play or two I think he can handle it.

Then you try to mix it up and say you don’t buy him as a great shooter (which no one ever claims he is … able to hit FTs better than this current squad doesn’t qualify one as a GREAT shooter).

And for the record, that guard rotation may not be the greatest, but it isn’t bad either. Hart (arguably the 4th person in that rotation) just scored 8 pts last night. Find me another team whose 4th SG can score 8 pts in a close game.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

He was on a good high school baseball team, so he’s a good athlete in Big Ten basketball? I don’t see the connection, at all.

If he’s not a great shooter, why put him on the floor to shoot completely cold with no real experience at this level? That doesn’t make any sense.

A lot of guys can come in and hit a handful of open jump shots in one game. Hart is 54 for 149 (.362) all time.

by Ray Williams? on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He is limited by size

Close by the Wabash, In famed Hoosier land, Stands old Purdue, Serene and Grand, Cherished in Memory,By all her sons and daughters true, Fair Alma Mater, All Hail Purdue

by BoilerUpAT on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

After Iowa called the TO to set up their last play, I wonder why Painter didn’t put Lawson in instead of Smith for defensive purposes. I understand Smith is the better FT shooter, but Iowa has the ball and all we need is one defensive stop and the game is over. Keeping Ryne in the game makes sense only if we have possession.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually like the end-game lineup

We went small but had players who were at least average on the court. Hummel, LJ, Barlow, Byrd, Smith. Didn’t even bother with a center. I wonder how this will work vs the MSUs, MINNs, and OSUs.

by JAZ1142 on Dec 29, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I like that line-up too

but it works b/c the other team’s tallest player is only 6’7 and 225.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing we have will work against OSU

Not this year.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps we can sic the ACL curse on Sullinger?

They’ve looked rather human without him.

/just kidding
//never wish that on anyone
///even IU

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 29, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

TJ

Twenty-five percent is just ridiculous. I think I could hit free throws at that clip standing backwards chucking them over my head.

by Funk Soul Bubby on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

I really don’t like his overall game much. His shot is never going to be consistent unless it is reworked, he’s not an especially good penetrator, and the free throws, obviously.

Most worrisome, is that I don’t see any improvement from last year at all.

by Ray Williams? on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

he was hurt this summer

possiblly could see a big change next year if he can work on his game this coming summer

"The goal remains the same"

by TimeToPlayHard on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

As a quant, the numbers you cite are either incorrect or poor, u need fact check help?
All told, the numbers tell a pretty good story. We equaled a bigger team in rebounding. We took care of the basketball. We shot 60% from the field and 30% from long range. We shared the ball with 11 assists.

1. We shot only 50%, not 60%. That’s an inexcusable mistake.
2. Shooting 30% from threes is a bad number. We were shooting 36% for the season. And as a comparison, IU is shooting 45%.
3. Dishing 11 assists is not good. We average 14.4. OSU and MSU average 18 and 17 respectively. We are not sharing the ball enough.
4. It’s debatable whether Iowa is the “bigger” team. Sure, they have bigger guards, but their tallest player is only 6’7 and he is no Sullinger. Without LewJack we are pretty evenly matched in terms of size, and LewJack is our leading returning rebounder from last season, so I am not too excited about tying them on the rebound column.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

the main thing about rebounds this game

is that we held our own on the defensive side. I remember several defensive rebounds we grabbed and was thinking we are rebounding really well. I was surprised that we tied but hey, I thought we did pretty well. I thought Lawson did better than usual. He keeps balls alive.

by Boiler00 on Dec 29, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Lawson did well rebounding last night

He was active and rebound with authority. Robbie is his usual with double-digit reb. Ryne Smith also rebound well with 5. TC has zero in 17 mins and that’s inexcusable.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

on point #4

Purdue has an effective height of +1.2 and Iowa has a eH of -.7.

This essentially means that Purdue (while they are technically shorter on average 76.4" to 77.6") they use their taller guys more often and their defensive efficiency is reflected in those numbers. So Iowa is “taller” but not really.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree

Re: your #2, I don’t really mind the 30% number from 3. First of all, in a single game, one shot can affect the final percentage greatly. 30% is an “eh” number, but not horrible. Moreover, look at who was missing the shots: Ryne and Robbie went 2 of 10 yesterday. Everybody else was 4 of 10. I don’t care if Ryne and Robbie are 0 for 70, if they have a good look from three I want them firing. Moreover, we only took 20 threes, which constituted 30% of our total field goal attempts. I think that’s an appropriate number, much lower than our season average.

Re #3: Points win games, not assists. Sharing the ball is important in the sense that teams whose offenses are built on 1-on-1 play can sometimes stagnate, but as long as the ball is moving and players are moving, the number of assists doesn’t concern me greatly. We have guys in Hummel, Barlow, AJ, and TJ who can create their own shot. And often their ability to get those looks depends on the movement of their teammates, but it doesn’t necessarily depend on the pass immediately before their shot.

Re #4: Totally agree with you on the height issue. In the first half, though, I thought we did great on the boards. Didn’t see the second half because of work.

by septimusharding on Dec 29, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

random

what exactly was Painter chewing AJ out about? was it that he didn’t pass the ball to Hummel earlier when he was freed up from the screen?

I thought they were moving better on offense than normal last night and had a good variety of baskets. TJ’s floaters were nice, LewJack’s pass to a wide open Carroll was great. Byrd had a few tough layins that weren’t of the usual variety for him.

by Boiler00 on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing too

My guess is that on the previous play, AJ got screened and lost his man and Gatens took advantage and hit a shot. But then I am not sure. I also see Robbie lecturing AJ on their way back right before CMP screamed at him.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was the defense

But then I think he might have also said something back to Robbie. It looked like Robbie was telling him something, then turned away, then went back at it right before Coach Painter joined in.

by BoilerchE on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, maybe he backtalked Robbie

and Painter said, “if you ever fucking talk back to Robbie Hummel you’ll never see the floor again”

by Boiler00 on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

TJ...

…he is just not THAT good! Not sure what happened to him, as he showed some promise in high school…but I have to say Painter swung and missed on this guy. As an incoming recruit we all had high hopes that he would become a pretty prolific scorer, but with his shot that will never happen in the big ten.

It also doesn’t help that he isn’t very quick for a 2, so it is rare he does any damage cutting through the lane. I would much prefer lewjack or AJ taking the ball to the hoop. TJ should never be in the starting lineup on with this team.

by NDMBoiler09 on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Small 2 guard

He is the same player he was in high school; a 4 in a 2’s body, just like his old teammate Rivera-Smith. Smaller framed bodies, with down-low game. It’s a difficult transition that skill set to college and maybe impossible for TJ since he can’t hit his frows. Painter MUST get MOUNT to come to school and teach these kids how to shoot free throws!!!

by Hath88 on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

He is in a small 2’s body….but he can’t shoot. Could be a nice size PG because he can actually handle the ball with decent efficiency, but he is just a step too slow which doesn’t allow him to create his own shot off the dribble very often. There just isn’t much of a place for him.

I would love to see his minutes go down to 10-15 a game as a solid reserve and DJ Byrds numbers go up. DJ has a better shot and plays with much more intensity on both ends of the court, not to mention his size advantage.

by NDMBoiler09 on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

TJ shoots 60% for 2's

Through the non-con schedule TJ shot 60% (27 for 45) from inside the arc, mostly on shots he created himself off the dribble. He can get his own shot and hit it. He shot only 30% from 3, not a disaster but maybe coaches can get him to limit his 3 point attempts to shot clock running out.

RE the free throws, he could not have been that bad in HS, so I hope the coaching staff is expending some major effort to changing/improving his form, his routine, hypnotize him, something. Make him shoot 100 underhand because this cannot continue.

by row boilers on Dec 29, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

+1
Painter MUST get MOUNT to come to school and teach these kids how to shoot free throws!!!

by Boiler00 on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

What an idea!

Oh, a whole team of mount-esque shooters. Can you imagine such a thing? This idea should be forwarded to Painter immediately.

by AAMB Boiler on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't need Mount

Just get the women’s assistant coach Cristy Smith to give a lesson. She leads the nation in FT% back in 1994. If a gal can do it, the boys gotta be ashamed of not hitting it.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

While I agree

it is not the same, women use a smaller ball.

by jack'sIUdisdain on Jan 3, 2012 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Hart earns more minutes on your team?

Who are you taking away minutes from?
We already play too many guards.
AJ needs to play more before Hart.
Unless the minutes are coming solely from TJ, I disagree.

by Mactrent on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

LOL, play more Robbie at #5

Then it frees up a spot for another guard. It works if the opposing team is playing small ball too, as in Iowa’s main inside threat Basabe is only 6’7.

Sure, I’d like to see AJ play more, but I think Hart deserves some PT as well. Why everyone tries to murder TJ is beyond me. Yes, he wasn’t great last night and his FT woes are inexcusable, but he’s almost our only backup to LewJack at this point with Barlow moved to the wing to defend the other team’s best offensive player.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Not murdering

just being honest to this point. He’s a tweener that can’t hit free throws, unfortunately. He shooting something like 25%. Needs to go back to the basics and get some real tutoring. He’s got skills, just hasn’t developed like we all hoped.

I also think Smith will soon be losing his starting job to Hart. We have to get more productivity out of the 2 position. All he does is spot up and shot fake. If he would just pump fake, and jump into the defender one time I would be happy.

by Hath88 on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I highly doubted and I am willing to bet Hart will NOT overtake Smith's starting gig
I also think Smith will soon be losing his starting job to Hart.

Painter trusts his seniors a lot more than the underclassmen. At best, Hart is just gonna jump in front of AJ, which isn’t even a lock.

I don’t understand the knock on Smith. Not only is he A LOT better as a 3-pt threat than any other SGs we have, but he actually rebounds reasonably well for a guard (3 rpg, last night 5). Also, ppl don’t realize the importance of ball security, and Ryne doesn’t turn the ball over – 1 TO every 42 mins (as a comparison, 9.8 mins for Sandi or 13.4 mins for LewJack). Lastly, when the game is on the line you want him to be shooting FTs.

But I do agree, I want him to try drawing fouls while pump-faking his defender in the air. That’ll be a huge boost to our FT% and help his scoring tremendously.

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Hart is a chucker, and not a good one.

He managed to get 3 of 4 to fall last night. I wouldn’t let that cloud my judgement.

by Ray Williams? on Dec 29, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

12 man rotation

We play too many.
I don’t have the answer on exactly who needs to lose minutes, but it’s a couple guys.

These guards can’t get into an offensive rythym.

Plus, it’s not like we’re guarding our asses of and need a breather.

by Mactrent on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe this is what we should start doing
Plus, it’s not like we’re guarding our asses of and need a breather.

I’ve always wondered with such a deep bench in guards, why don’t we pressure the hell out like crazy and keep rotating players?

by charlespig on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

12 men = 60 fouls

At the rate we foul, we can’t play any fewer.

by GoB1g10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Carroll

I lose more interest in this board each time I log on and see the contingency of Carroll defenders/apologists.

I’m not even going to argue the subject. I’ll choose to bite my tongue and laugh my ass off.

by Mactrent on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

O'Doyle Rules!

How about this Doyle character?! Tim Doyle was so excruciating to listen to last night I had to be restrained from shoving a butter knife through my ear. Marble this, Marble that. And then with about 3 or 4 minutes left in the game he throws in how he thinks Hummel looks 90 percent and talks about the damn knee, out of nowhere! This was arguably the worst game I have had to sit and listen to. Not only was Doyle making our ears’ lives hell, but we had to go through it during a game against Iowa. C’mon man.

by CBboiler on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

I'm ready for Sandi to come back and get some playing time.

It was nice to see Travis score but on the defensive end I think Bade was better b/c he was so aggressive. I’ve been watching TC on the defensive end alot and he stands flat footed with his arms down. I think he needs to watch Brian Cardinal in the finals last year on defense. He doesn’t box out and when the ball is coming he doesn’t use his arms to deflect passes or shots. I would rather he have 3 fouls where the offense is shooting so they have to earn their 2 points instead of us handing them a 4 footer. Most apposing inexperienced bigs look like our bigs did against Northern Illinois. “I get to score this game b/c this guy gaurding me stinks.” I think if he fouls a shooter it affects the game by 3 points and he needs to use his arms and hips to box out.

by lift26 on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

If I hear another set of announcers talk about 'What could have been' last year

I may have to put a protective sheild in front of the TV

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

Conditioning still an issue...

I haven’t read through every comment so maybe this has been covered already, but I noticed yet again last night that around the 4-6 minute remaining point in the second half that we became sluggish and a little sloppy. For about 3 or 4 possessions we lost our aggressiveness and settled for bad shots near the end of the shot clock, and lost the ‘motion’ in our motion offense. I think this was as big a factor in our losses to Xavier and Butler as missing free throws.

I know we’ve got some guys nursing inuries all week and not participating in full practices, particularly conditioning, but this needs to be addressed. Byrd seemed back to near full strength last night. I think using him more often to spell Robbie, and Hart to spell LewJack and Ryne will be important in keeping our key guys fresh at the end of games.

by BoilerGOZ on Dec 29, 2011 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Meyers Leonard is a beast.

I picked up a few of his high school games on cable and he’s legit. Will be a great test for our bigs. Hopefully Lawson can contain him AND learn from this matchup

by Boiler219 on Dec 30, 2011 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

I liked having Lawson start

he still ended up with 4 fouls in 14 minutes of play, but this seemed to suit him. I’m thinking tho that we’ll need the Chooooch back in the rotation against Leonard.

>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...

by sea.of.white on Dec 31, 2011 6:55 AM EST reply actions  

Thinking out loud

but just wondering about the fact that our bigs had to guard smaller players in non-conference, maybe that’s their true achilles. The non traditional bigs at the small schools were to quick to guard.

by jack'sIUdisdain on Jan 3, 2012 5:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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