OSU Hit With Bowl Ban, Scholarship Reductions
For one year only, Purdue's road to the Big Ten Championship game will be a little easier than highly improbable since the Ohio State Buckeyes will be banned from the postseason in 2012. The Big Ten already established a precedent this season when they ruled that any team serving a bowl ban would be ineligible for the Big Ten Championship game. They did this in advance of any potential Ohio State ruling before the end of this season, but it now effects next year.
So what does it mean for Purdue? It probably means very little since it is against a team below us in the Leaders Division. We own them (at least at Ross-Ade) anyway, so we can naturally expect our dominance of Ohio State to continue because when you finish below Purdue in the division you're truly awful. I just don't understand why the NCAA would hit such a minor league program.
I kid, of course. I recognize that this, in the long run, is a minor slap on the wrist because the Buckeyes will come back in 2013 without having really missed anything. So they have one year where they cannot go to the postseason. BFD. They're still likely going to be one of the better teams in the conference in 2012 anyway because they always have talent and now they have an excellent coach in place to mold that talent. They lose nine scholarships for three years, but when half your team is already four and five star talent that only matters to them losing a 3-star reserve that won't even play for three years, anyway. Your Ohio State fans will make it come off as a gross miscarriage of justice, however. Observe:
There will be time to opine on the nuances at a later time, but for now we'll just say that this sucks. Punishing the upcoming seniors like Jake Stoneburner, John Simon and others really stings.
Yes, how dare the NCAA punish a school for blatantly and repeatedly violating rules. How dare the NCAA punish them for blatantly cheating to recruit an overrated primadonna in Terrelle Pryor.
See, I feel exactly zero sympathy when something like this happens. I don't feel bad when it happened to USC. I don't feel bad for SMU in the 80's. I don't feel bad for OSU now. I wouldn't feel bad for Purdue if we were guilty of the same thing. You know why? My answer is derserving of all caps hyperbole, and even a bold, italicized underline: IT IS THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT!!!!!!
Everyone laments on the current players suffering by missing a bowl and in three years, if Urban Meyer has the Buckeyes in Pasadena, everyone will be waxing poetic about the wonderful turnaround he has done in Columbus just as commentators currently mention what Tom Crean is doing in Bloomington. All mentions of the reason for the downturn and punishment will be forgotten. No one seems to remember it was Indiana's fault they hired a known cheater, failed to monitor his activities, and had their program blown up because of it. No one seems to remember that USC was blatantly cheating in their case with Reggie Bush. Were these schools forced to do so? Of course not! No one put a gun to their heads and made them commit these serious violations.
That's why I can't pity Ohio State one iota. It's their own damn fault. They even had a chance this year to sit out the bowl season. I thought they would because it makes more sense to sit out the bowl season after a very mediocre 6-6 year to stave off any potential punishment than to have next year, when they will likely be a better team, rendered meaningless before it begins. Why do you think Miami declined a bowl bid at 6-6? They were in a similar position as Ohio State with a team that struggled in a lot of close games, but could make a big step forward next year. They took the punishment this year to save next year. Even then, it may not matter since their situation is worse.
So now Ohio State's season next year means absolutely nothing. It probably won't help Purdue get to Indianapolis unless we can suddenly compete with Wisconsin after years of being dominated physically. It does open things up to a second place divisional finish. Illinois will be in a rebuilding year. Penn State is a tire fire at the moment that no one wants to coach. Ohio State is ineligible, and Indiana is Indiana. Stranger things have happened, but it may mean it is our best chance for the foreseeable future to go to the Big Ten title game. Even then, I still think we need a minimum of six conference wins with one being a major upset of Wisconsin to get there. I can see us beating Indiana, Illinois, and Minnesota without too much trouble. Penn State is beatable in Ross-Ade, and Iowa doesn't look like a world beater, but would we win two of three against Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio State? Doubtful.
So let Ohio State suffer. The other schools will get to chuckle for a year before they come back with a vengeance in 2013.
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They played multiple games with known inelligible players
I haven’t had a chance to read the whole punishment they were given, but did it include forfeiting any of those games?
Theya lready forfeited the entire 2010 season
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
Easy for you to say "It's their own damn fault"
Imagine you as an Ohio high school kid in the fall of 2010. You just commit to play for “tOSU” under a coach who has won a national champion and multiple B1G champion. You know absolutely nothing about the tattoo and all you want is to play hard and make your parents and coaches proud. There is nothing for you to suspect that coach is hiding anything b/c he is such a respected figure.
Now tell me that he deserves to pay for a crime that he doesn’t commit, and has no prior knowledge of it, and that he deserves absolutely no sympathy.
Frankly, it isn’t that big of a deal for this kid to miss a year of post-season play. He still gets an elite coach in Urban Meyer. He will probably do fine. The reason I am bringing this up is b/c your attitude is the kind that I see that spreads hatred. It’s like when we are fighting the Cold War against the Soviet Union, it’s like everything Communist needs to be condemned. “They” are the evil empire and “they” deserve everything bad that happens to them. Sure, there may be some evil leader in their govt but for the most part, the ppl are innocent, and the vast majority of them are just like us who love watching sports games and some beer (OK, in their case, it’s vodka). It’s also like accusation of IU fans that “they” are classless and “they” cheer when Hummel went down. Yes, sure there are classless fans out there, but I’d conjecture that for most of them, they too are just like us who love watching sports games and some beer.
All mentions of the reason for the downturn and punishment will be forgotten.
It sounds like you are not too happy that they are forgotten. To me, that’s how it should be, at least for us outsiders. When one commit a crime, get caught, pay his dues (say, went to jail), and when he is done, move on. That’s the beauty of the system. You get a second chance and you put things behind. I’d hire someone who has gone to prison if he has truly repented and is committed to start a new life. To that man, he should never forget the lessons learned, but to us outsider, I think once he pays his due and commits to do good going forward there is no need to keep bringing up the punishment.
They even had a chance this year to sit out the bowl season. I thought they would because it makes more sense to sit out the bowl season after a very mediocre 6-6 year
This I absolutely agree. But then that’s their issue.
I've always said NCAA sanctions
should be fines directly levied against the schools athletic departments. The problem with the current punishments is that they never end up hurting the people who benefited by cheating. The players are gone and the coaches usually get off without being fired (obvious exception here). You start taking money away from schools instead of ‘vacating wins’ and punishing future players and see how the landscape changes. It’s all about money.
Yes, and I'll take it one step further
There should be a clawback clause in a coach’s contract that if he is fired due cause (e.g. NCAA violation), the school should be able to recover a large portion of his bonuses. That is the only way to make coaches take compliance seriously. Otherwise, they either got a slap in the wrist, or just move on to the next school (e.g. JC at UK).
Penalty looks fair
The NCAA may have gotten this one right. I would not think a 2 year bowl ban was too harsh, they certainly should get a one year ban. Scholarships and probation penalties don’t have much impact if they play clean.
OSU bought themselves the bowl ban when Gene Smith and Gordon Gee tried to sweep this under the rug and minimize what Tressel did. The tatoos, the minor cash, the pay for work not done are bad but not major. However, when they discovered (pretty late in the game) that Tressel knew this all year and kept it secret despite his contract with OSU and NCAA rules, they should have fired him on the spot. Instead they gave him a short suspension and Gee joked that he hoped Tressel didn’t fire him.
None of these clowns learned from Sampson, and Pearl at Tennessee. Bite the bullet early, fire the guy (or in IU’s case don’t hire a known cheater), say you are shocked by these offenses and this is unacceptable at our great university. Slapping yourself on the wrist has not worked once.
It’s too bad for the players that did not cheat, but it’s only one year, and they have ground to make up next year. To talk about a Big Ten or national championship for OSU next year is way premature.
Sorry to rain on our parade but I don’t want to hear any talk of Purdue in a Big Ten championship until we demonstrate some ability on the field. We are close to the worst team in a bowl game this year, Big 10 championship is not feasible for us next year.
The players who did not cheat
CHOSE to attend OSU on their own. Yes it’s unfortunate that they get drug into this, but that is how life works. They chose to play in Columbus and at age 18 its time to put your big boy underwear on and accept reality.
I have ZERO respect for OSU and their fans. They think the world revolves around them and everyone is out to get them. If I had a nickel for every time I heard “it was just tattoos” and/or “that memorabilia belonged to them… they have the right to sell their own items” I would be a millionaire (for those who don’t know, I live 35 miles north of Columbus). I listen to their bogus bullshit on a daily basis and firmly believe they got everything they deserve… probably should have gotten more. Rules are rules and they were broken, then lied about and covered up (attempted to). Unfortunately, the culture surrounding OSU/Columbus will not change because of these penalties.
Buckeye by birth, but BOILERMAKER by the grace of God!
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