The Sunday After: It’s Rough Being A Purdue Fan Right Now
Because I am an addict for all things Purdue (or a masochist) I skim through every comment that comes through on the site. It was easier in the early days, but you guys are just so awesome at generating discussion that it is truly hard to keep up at times. One thing I have noticed lately is that the comments have taken a very dark turn. It's not hard to imagine why:
- The football team just completed a 6-6 season that redefined the term "mediocre"
- We've seen our men's basketball team, long the pride of the site, blow two double-digit second half leads in gut-wrenching losses.
- Our biggest rival is having a resurgence, putting fans in an even more foul mood because those of us in-state often have to deal with their fans.
- Half of our football fans want the head coach placed in a canoe and shoved down the Wabash. The other half just want that for his coordinators.
- The women's volleyball team, after a promising season, "pulled a Purdue" and had their worst game of the season at the absolute worst time.
The volleyball thing seemed to be the tipping point. Some of the comments following their loss to Florida State in the Sweet 16 were just downright mean-spirited. Seriously, go take a look at them from Juan's Open Thread.
Yes, it is very rough to be a Purdue fan, but we all need to take a step back and calm down a little. That is what I plan to do after the IPFW game later this week. Simply put, we're better than this, guys. Yesterday people were saying some pretty nasty things about Ryne Smith and Travis Carroll. I understand the sky was falling after the loss, but that is no reason to make personal attacks of our players. Travis Carroll botching a layup is a mistake made in a basketball game. It is a lot different than Dwayne Beckford getting himself drunk and driving at 4 am. If you read some of the comments, however, Carroll's offense was much worse. Actions like Beckford's deserve a "dumbass" comment. Carroll botching a layup is frustrating, but it is hardly a reason to attack the kid's character.
What these players need right now is our support. Things are never as bad as they seem, and really, we're not that far off from being an 11-1 ranked team right now. There is still time to put things together. Things haven't panned out exactly as we hoped, but as fans we shouldn't want to run players off like some other schools do.
Yes, this team may not be as talented as some in the past, but that is no reason to write them off and attack players like Carroll. Remember, just four years ago we were coming off of a loss at home to Wofford of all teams and people were questioning the Baby Boilers. That team damn near won the Big Ten, so things can improve drastically. That team also had a lack of depth in the post and went for long stretches (Missouri, anyone?) without scoring.
I created this site as a forum for a thinking man's discussion about Purdue sports. I have received many compliments about how the discussion is above the fray of your typical message board. Most of you readers bring great insight into conversations, and even opposing fans like JustAJ participate with well thought arguments that are greatly welcomed. It is one of the things that I like most about what we have going here. I know I am guilty of this attitude as well because I have been questioning some of my own actions of late. I invest a lot of myself into these games, and I found myself seething and in a bad mood for a good few hours after yesterday's loss. In football, I have been accused of being one of the most negative in-game fans, and I apologize for that.
Yes, things are very rough right now, but let us always remember that we are better than the mean-spirited, "the sky-is-falling" attitude with every loss. As I said last night on Twitter, we can really do two things: Piss and moan or move on and get better. For now, let's all take a step back and enjoy the Christmas season with our families. I consider you all an extended part of my family, so let's have a good week leading up to the bowl game.
Let's all remember the words of Ed Kowalczyk: "Light up a cigarette and calm the f*** down." from Live's Voodoo Lady.
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Well said, Travis.
I try not to question anyone’s “fandom”, especially when it comes to my alma mater, but the end of that game thread was downright scary.
I think we’re all frustrated. And sometimes is just best to step away from the ledge.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 18, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions
Well said sir
I work in an anthletic department at a D-1 school, and these kids are people. Just because someone misses a layup is no excuse to say anything bad. Personally, I have to agree that I think Carroll is just not that good and would be better off transfering, but if that does come to fruition, then I hope where ever he goes he has a lot of success. You people that say mean things about 19 year olds because they did something bad in a GAME need to reevaluate your lives.
by OldSchoolStyle on Dec 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions
Agreed
I too get caught up in the in-game action and say some things that I normally wouldn’t say.
My dream was to play basketball in college, but being white and not very tall hindered my ability. I just had to stick to the co-rec, occasionally playing against some Boiler ballers.
We need to take a step back, relax, and support our troops so to say. I can’t imagine being TC or whomever else, logging on to this site and seeing all of this drivel being written about me. My self confidence would plummet.
Most of us are guilty of doing this. I suggest we all just enjoy being fans of such a wonderful institution and count our blessings. Boiler up!
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BTFU
Celtics play this afternoon.
I don’t know if the game will be on standard cable in Indiana, but if you have DirecTv they are running a free trail of NBA League Pass right now – Boston is on channel 751 at 1pm ET. Maybe a little JJ and ET will cheer everyone up!
Excellence
"Excellence can be obtained if you:
…care more than others think is wise;
…risk more than others think is safe;
…dream more than others think is practical;
…expect more than others think is possible."
We will continue to be the “little brother” in our state if we not expect excellence…but for all of you murdering Carroll right now, what have you done for Purdue today? Look within…did you sell your tickets on Stubhub this season? Will you? Be about it before you kill these kids…
there is a difference.
i ask for excellence and i want to move forward, but not at the expense of personal attacks. as for my tickets, i get them and finance what games i can got to by selling to readers here at the site.
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by BoilerTMill on Dec 18, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The negativity is insane.
We should expect this to be a down year…and if a down year for Matt Painter is 10-3 in the non-conference, you won’t hear me complaining. I think this team is a low NCAA seed. They’ve shown enough to make me think that they can put together enough B1G wins to make the tournament.
T-Mill hit the nail on the head…we can either piss and moan or move on to the next game.
by Jackson Brunner on Dec 18, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions
We've Been Here Before
As one of the graybeards commenting on this site, I gotta say that had blogs like this existed when I was on campus, or a young grad, I probably would have vented my frustration in similar fashion to those in yesterday’s game wrap. Maybe the years have mellowed me a bit.
Over the decades, there have been many heartbreaking losses and frustrating instances of under achievement that paralleled yesterday’s loss to Butler. After awhile, it overwrites the part of your DNA where optimism is coded – replacing it with a gnawing fear that no lead is safe. As our Boilers coast through a 2nd half with a comfortable lead, that ache kicks in and I start my “Boots on Throats” mantra on the open threads.
If there’s one thing that keeps Purdue’s athletic programs from rising to the next level, it’s our inability to consistently put opponents away when we have ’em on the ropes. Unfortunately, we have a nasty habit staging some of our more spectacular collapses when the whole country is watching on national TV.
The sad fact is, we CAN put teams away. We’ve done it many times – just not consistently, and usually when no one but the Boiler faithful is watching. The national profile of Purdue is that we can’t compete on the big stage because that’s all they see. I hate ND as much as the next Boiler, but they have a culture that compels them to not only believe they will win every game, but that victory is their divine right. We could use a little of that kind of thinking.
Being a Purdue fan has given me many wonderful moments, and kept me coming back for more year after year. But the Boilers don’t make it easy. They’ll test your faith and challenge your spirit. That said, slogging through the tough times makes the successes much sweeter. Knowing that the H&R faithful have been here for the whole trip will make it much better the next time we play football in January or hoops in April.
I have confidence that Painter will get the best out of the talent that he has, and it looks like he’s got some quality kids lined up for the future. The ladies have been quietly building top caliber programs in Volleyball and Golf. The football program is broken and fading – it’s time to start fixing it.
I’ll close by saying this – I’m glad there wasn’t a rabid blog/comment community deconstructing every move I made when I was a college student. I have written some pretty nasty comments here myself when my blood was up – it’s very theraputic and I often feel better after. However, rereading them a couple of times makes me more likely to hit the Cancel button than Post.
Support your Boilers. Demand excellence. I don’t consider these to be mutually exclusive.
Boiler UP!
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Ever the Optimist
Travis, I wish I were more like you in this respect. Your wife must cherish this optimism on the homefront. You make very salient comments as usual and I will try to hold onto these as the season progresses.
A down year
Getting kind of tired of people talking about how this should be a down year for us on this thread and yesterday’s. Someone explain to me why this should be a down year for us? We’re two monumental collapses away from being 11-1, and in that one loss we were winning in the 2nd half. Some crap happens and now all of a sudden, it’s a down year. I guess using that excuse takes away some of the pain from the recent meltdowns and provides optimism for the future, but this is not a down year. Hummel is one of the best players in Purdue history (this begs someone inserting a comment that it’s not the same Hummel as pre-injury – I disagree based on what I’ve seen so far). Jackson and Ryne round out a really solid group of seniors. Down years are reserved for those unfortunate times when your senior (and junior) class is truly full of a bunch of under-achievers. If anything, NEXT YEAR is our down year (unfortunately, I don’t see Kelsey and DJ showing enough progress and leadership to expect monster senior campaigns from them in 2012-13). This year is our last chance for a while to be great. Based on what I saw at Xavier, we have enough fire-power to hang with pretty much anyone. This team could be the opposite of the past few years. Instead of dominating in the regular season only to crush everyone’s hopes in March (a la 2010 and 2011), this team under-performs during the season, but gets hot in March and roles to a Final Four. Crazy?
this is exactly right
It shouldn’t be considered a down year. Butler’s team last year was in a very similar position after losing Hayward. They struggled at the beginning of the year. Probably more than we have so far if I remember correctly. Maybe there was some luck with them getting back to the final game but there is no way our team this year can’t be as good as they were last year.
Well
Considering how well Alabama and Xavier played this weekend, I’m not really sure high quality our nonconference schedule is, so even though I didn’t expect us to be as good as we’ve been, I do think losing to Butler and beating High Point by two points isn’t the best we can do and there are many reasons to be skeptical of our success during the conference season. I hope the team can turn it around in conference play, but it’s going to require a lot of work from both the coaching staff and the players.
I know I have high (perhaps too high) expectations for Purdue sports and get very frustrated when we don’t meet them, but I don’t think I can change my love and expectations for Purdue and I’m not sure how I could enjoy watching games expecting them to lose. That said, there is a line and regardless of how angry we get, I agree that personal attacks and unnecessary vitriol is uncalled for. We should be able to have high expectations and respectfully critique the athletic team’s performance.
Exactly
High expectations are fine. I have them. But the personal attacks on the players have been getting out of hand of late.
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Agree with everything...But
When a kid gets a full ride scholarship to a D-1 school, in the B1G, In Indiana the heart of basketball…I’m sorry, but man up and play some basketball. Make the lay ups, don’t get pushed around, play with some heart. I’m not personally attacking him, i’m attacking his talent and how overrated he obviously is. At least try, its pathetic watching TC try to play some ball. When you can go to the co-rec and find a better big man, there is something wrong.
well put
you have clearly been watching me play at the co-rec :)
sincerely,
5’11 white kid that tries to play the post
When has it ever been easy to be a Purdue fan?
It never is. My whole life I have been there for the highest highs and lowest lows, and I always come back for more because I love my Alma Mater and all it represents and I love what it means to all of us die hard Boilermakers. It’s never easy, which is why, when something does go well, it can be magical. Everything will be alright. BTFU
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Dec 18, 2011 7:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
JJ and E'Twaun
JJ had three rebounds in seven minutes.
E’Twaun had just 4 points on 2-6 shooting. One of those 6 was a shot that would have been the game winner. Instead, his miss was tipped in by Greg Stiemsma.
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Senior All-American Alto Sax
Also, there's two sides to that coin
we’re not that far off from being an 11-1 ranked team right now
We’re even closer to being 7-5.
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by Danulas on Dec 18, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Drew Brees and Orton
While all is not great on the home front – Drew Brees had another fantastic day and carried me to the fantasy championship and Orton came back to life and upset the Packers. There is life in the Boilers and I am convinced the BB team will over achieve in the Big Ten.
Any chance Brees get a 5th year and comes back next year and leads the Boilers to BCS?- oh sorry just the scotch taking over my mind
Orton won, Tebow lost
Poetic, comical justice.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Dec 19, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
The sky is not falling
Considering who we lost, and the recruiting classes for the last 3 years, I’m satisfied with what I’ve seen so far. I always think we will win every game, and am always disappointed when we do not. It hurts even more when we have a good lead and let it slip away. Considering how little Hummel, Jackson, and Johnson have practiced during the week, running out of gas is understood. I am still confident we make the tournament and hope that Rob, Ryne and LewJack go out on a high note. I am also very optimistic about our future. If we can have no more lulls in recruiting, we should be fine down the road. Lawson is going to be a beast. Does everyone remember how JJ played as a freshman? Watching him then, you could have never convinced me we would be hanging his number from the rafters. We shouldn’t be personally attacking these kids either, no matter how bad they are playing. You don’t think he knows how disappointed everyone is with him? I am starting to feel bad for the kid, he looks like he has no confidence at all.
Losing with class

After getting spanked by Brees and the Saints, the Viking mascot invites Drew to drink some mead.
criticism
Sometimes players deserve our criticism. If they deserve our praise when they do well, they also deserve our criticism when they do not perform up to par (especially if they are on scholarship). These kids get treated like royalty on campus. They have to perform. On a mostly unrelated note, I think that if you can’t shoot 70% from FT you should forfeit your scholarship. There is no excuse for that.
criticism
I agree that players do deserve criticism, but there is constructive criticism (i.e our inability to close out games is going to hurt us in Big Ten play) and destructive criticism (i.e our team sucks this year, painter didn’t deserve his contract extension). At the end of the day, the latter doesn’t work and repeatedly berating our own players won’t help the situation.
by AllHailPurdue on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Coach Painter
Just to tack on to what Travis said, a lot of people have been bashing CMP as of late, which is just ridiculous. People have even gone so far as to imply we would have been better off had he gone to Mizzou, which might be the most insane thought ever vocalized on this blog. Anyone even thinking such a thing should step back and think about where we would be without him. Remember what Keady left behind, and just imagine how bad this program could have become. Instead, we’ve seen our Boilers ranked in the top 5 in the last few years, tournament appearances every year, and a perennial big ten title contender.
On the subject of bashing our beloved Boilers, I know I’m as guilty as any, though I try to refrain from bashing individuals. Like many of you I’m sure I was fuming for several hours after the Butler game, and still talking about it Sunday. I suppose these losses come with the territory of being a Purdue fan. It just seems like all of our teams find the most gut-wrenching ways to lose imaginable. We either get blown out, or get our hearts torn out. Games like Alabama where we get beat by a medium margin are an abberation, if we must lose I wish they would do it like that more often, it’s much easier to swallow.
As for this season, we’ll just see what happens. We’ve seen enough brilliance to know that these Boilers could legitimately contend in the B1G this year. On the other hand we’ve also seen enough to know that 8th or 9th place is possible. I hope Painter can use these losses as a teaching and motivational tool much like the Wofford loss, and this team can start closing out some games.
With all due respect...
Who gives a shit about volleyball?
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
by PurdueMatt on Dec 19, 2011 9:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
A lot of people
especially when it looks like they have the best chance to bring home a National Championship of any of Purdue’s teams in the next two years.
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With all due respect...
fuck off.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 19, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Carroll
I didn’t read the other threads or hear how far people were taking it, but you’re right missed layups do happen. The problem is when they happen over and over again. He has had at least 4 wide open, missed layups. He is a big man with less than 36% FG %. Tell me what motivation the rest of the team has to feed him the ball. It’s not just an isolated, whoops incident. It’s a pattern of behavior that is teaching the rest of the team to not use the post.
Think about this
Would you rather struggle in the beginning of the season and play your best basketball in March/April or excel in December/January and slump into the tournament (aka the last 2 seasons)?
There is no worse feeling then watching your team lose 2 double digit leads (and having IU fans on-hand for one of them) but we still have the whole big ten season to put it together.
by BoilermakerAustin on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions
Here's the Problem...
Carroll, Marcius, and Byrd are becoming increasingly less reliable and this will not move this club forward no matter how hard you wish.
Also, if the horrendous free throw shooting problem does not take care of itself, March will be a quiet place in these quarters…..
by ZoKnowsDefense on Dec 19, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Poor FT shooting teams don’t advance very far in the tournament either.
by BoilermakerAustin on Dec 19, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at Byrd's minutes
He’s still not healthy. I’m hoping this doesn’t turn into another Hart situation where he has trouble getting back into the offense after being out.
Speaking of Hart, here’s to hoping CMP leaves him off the lineup sheet against Illinois again and we see him play angry.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'll trade you three years of excellent Jan/Feb play
for one solid March.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
define solid March
Is a solid March a Sweet Sixteen appearance, an Elite Eight appearance or a Final Four appearance?
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Dec 19, 2011 3:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Strong performance in both tournaments
B1G Tourney Champ Game (min) and Big Dance Final Four (min) with wins over Top 10 teams in both.
If I’m trading three seasons of excellent conference play, I want high caliber tournament performance that will build our national profile.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
I agree with you
This is going to sound harsh, but I think Purdue, and their fans get off on winning Big Ten Regular Season Championships… I would gladly trade 8 of them for 4 final fours and 2 NCs… seriously. Gene Keady was all about fighting ugly to win BT championships because he knew that would keep him around. Then we would Purdue ourselves in the tournament (sorry, but I’m going to keep on using that phrase until they prove to me they don’t do that… similar to T-Mills “Utter refusal to defend the middle of the field” rant about the FB team’s defense" … both are truths).
All that being said, from a program that was HORRIBLE in Keady’s last 2 years… we’ve seen improvement, and Painter realizes that with his extension comes expectations of not just being a participant in the dance but a main contender. This is what the fans want, 6 consecutive wins in late March/Early April. We have just as rabid fans as IU does… and if that day happens again, we’ll flock the FF in droves as well. But dangit, we gotta get there. Fans want it, the players need to want it, and the Athletic Department needs to want it.
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I totally agree
Big Ten titles are nice, but March is what gets you respect nationally. Sadly, I will ALWAYS think we have at least a Final Four if not a title lost because of that night at The Barn.
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So If I Follow...
if Purdue didn’t aim for a Big Ten title they would put themselves in a better position for a March run by ending up with a lesser regular season record, a worse seeding in the NCAA Tournament, and a more difficult path to the Final Four?
by ZoKnowsDefense on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
No, that's not what I'm saying
I’m saying that yes winning the BT reg season helps us out in the tournament when it comes to season. However it doesn’t mean a thing if we’re burnt out/satisfied after winning the BT that we don’t actually DO something in the Dance. Yes Hummel’s first ACL sucked hope from reaching Indy, but it seems to be something about the tournaments in March where we have our WTF moments
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Dec 22, 2011 11:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This team will put some w's up.
long way to go yet
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