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Does Danny Hope Deserve A Contract Extension?

Danny Hope has taken a lot of criticism over the past two years. Even I have been guilty of cranking off an occasional "Fire Hope" in an Open Thread or two. This season the general consensus was that he should be gone if we failed to reach a bowl game, but he deserved another year if we did. What was got was the thinnest margin possible. We went 6-6 and reached the worst Big Ten Bowl. That is hardly a ringing endorsement for him to stay, but I have little doubt that barring a disastrous 49-0 blowout by the Broncos in two weeks, Danny Hope will be the Purdue football head coach in 2012.

The Lafayette Journal & Courier discussed the issue of a contract extension earlier this week. The situation is this: Hope has three years left on his current contract, and it is common for a coach to have at least four years for recruiting purposes. You want to go into a recruit's home and assure him you will be there for his entire career. With only three years, other schools can play the, "are you sure he is going to be there," card.

It is highly unlikely that Hope is going to be lured away by a bigger program. That rarely happens at Purdue <crosses self and thanks God Matt Painter stayed>. Even if he does get an extension, it is hardly a guarantee that he will stay through the end because another crappy season likely means a firing. The real question is what would the buyout in a firing be? Hope naturally thinks he should have an extension, while Morgan Burke is much more hesitant:

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"I haven't had a chance to sit down with him and talk about his view of the season, what he liked, what he didn't like, what his plans are," Burke said Wednesday. "I'm not going to do a guy's personnel review in the newspaper. That's not fair.

"Let the season get done and we'll have an opportunity to sit down. If I tell you we're going to work something out ... the implication is if we don't do anything in 24 hours, there's something wrong."

Hope's contract, which calls for a review before Dec. 31, has three years remaining following this season. Hope was asked the day after Purdue beat Indiana to bring the Old Oaken Bucket back to West Lafayette if he deserves a contract extension.

"I certainly do, but I don't believe we're going to have this conversation right now," Hope told reporters Nov. 27.

If I were to look at Hope's tenure, I see it in three different acts. Let's look at them individually:

The Fabulously Flawed Year - 2009 - We remember this 5-7 season as one of near misses. There was only one truly ugly game. That was a 37-0 blowout loss at Wisconsin in which our lone highlight on the day was an opening kickoff for a touchback. Believe me, I was there. It was brutal. The rest of the season was exciting to say the least. We had a near-miss at Oregon in a game where few people gave us a chance. In fact, we outplayed the Ducks, only to hand them 17 points on turnovers. Turnovers would be critical in a home loss to Northwestern (six turnovers, including three that handed them 13 points before the half), Northern Illinois, and Michigan State. We all loved Hope after this season, let's not forget.

The 2009 team was a pretty good team that couldn't get out of its own way. Yes, we were 5-7, but if you eliminate just a few dumb mistakes it easily could have been in Pasadena at 11-1. I don't think I am crazy in saying that games against Oregon, Northern Illinois, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Northwestern, and Minnesota are vastly different if you change just a few plays in each game. In the case of Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Oregon you need only change one play. The highlights were clearly the upset of Ohio State and our first win at Michigan in over 40 years.

Best of all, the offense was dynamic that year with great balance of run vs. pass. Keith Smith was a 1,100 yard receiver. Ralph Bolden was very nearly a 1,000 yard rusher. Had Bolden reached that plateau, he and Smith would have been only the second duo to accomplish the 1,000 yard mark in the same season in Purdue history (The first being John Standeford and Joey Harris in 2002). Joey Elliott had a brilliant season, and the defense showed some promise. Everything looked great going into 2010. All we needed to do was sharpen up the turnovers.

The "Sobs, Tears ACL" Year - 2010 - All the promise leading into 2010 went away with injury after injury. It really started in October 2009 when Robert Marve had his first ACL tear. Then in February the entire school was rocked by THAT GAME with Robbie Hummel. It was only next in a rash of injuries as it seemed every single major skill player on offense was lost either for the season or for a significant amount of time. Ralph Bolden didn't play a down after tearing his ACL for the second of now three times. The offense was punchless in the one totally healthy game of the year at Notre Dame. By the time we got to conference play Marve, Keith Smith, and Bolden (only the three most important players on offense) were done for the season. O.J. Ross, Rob Henry, and Justin Siller were all key offensive players that missed significant time.

By the Wisconsin game we were starting Sean Robinson, a fourth string true freshman who thought he was going to redshirt, at quarterback. Considering that the Badgers finished the year in Pasadena, that's far from an ideal situation to make your first collegiate start. We were literally one bad hit away from throwing walk-on Spencer Dawson to the wolves.

Somehow we survived though. We started 4-2, got a nice win at Northwestern, and were a blown fourth quarter lead at Michigan State (who won the Big Ten title, BTW) from playing Indiana for a bowl game. What we remember, instead, was another home loss to a MAC team and blowing a double-digit lead to the immortal Bill Lynch to lose our first home Bucket game in 14 years. 2010 was a disaster, and people started to turn on Hope then. Still, he deserved another shot given what happened with nearly every major offensive skill player (and their top backup!) going down.

The Punchless Step Forward Year - 2011 - I admit that I was spoiled as a Purdue fan. My freshman year was year two of the Tiller regime and I got a Rose Bowl trip out of my four years on campus, which is something very few Purdue fans can say. I grew accustomed to offenses that could hang 40 points on anyone with ease. It was always more of a question of if our defense could hold the opposition under 40. This season, aside from the Southeast Missouri State game and the unexpected explosion against Minnesota, getting to 20 felt like a challenge.

That is why we have a lot of people seriously questioning Hope. Yes, we had his best season record-wise, but we needed a blocked field goal against a 2-10 Sun Belt team, a blocked extra point and overtime against Ohio State, and a late interception against a 1-11 Indiana team just to crawl to six wins. This came in a year when the Big Ten was a lot of mediocre and we didn't even have to play two of its clearly better teams (Michigan State and Nebraska). We were healthy for the most part, but the offense never felt like a threat for a big play.

Once again, we had what has become a Hope staple: an ugly non-conference loss to a team we probably had no business losing to. At least Northern Illinois in 2009 and Toledo in 2010 were bowl teams. This year, Rice was just short of awful. Game against Penn State and Iowa in conference also felt like wins. The home game against Notre Dame is one of the few times I have seen a Purdue team completely fold after one play. We had a great atmosphere, only to remove all doubt we were going to lose after one stinking play.

We were the definition of mediocre, and it showed in the thousands of empty seats that will honestly have the biggest impact on Hope's tenure. Our athletic department is one of the very few in the country that operates in the black. With 20,000 empty seats per game at roughly $45 per seat, that's a loss of approximately $900,000 per home game. Taken over six home games (I'll remove the near sellout against Notre Dame), that is $5.4 million (give or take) worth of empty seats over the course of a season.

Now I realize that we very rarely have a season where demand is high enough to sell out all seven games, but it is not a stretch to say we should be selling at least half of those seats per game. After awhile, that becomes a big hit on the bottom line, especially when you have a coach making close to seven figures asking for a contract extension. Danny Hope is one of the lower-paid coaches in the league too.

I feel as if we're under a vicious cycle of poor results leading to low attendance, but the results on the field aren't improving enough to increase. Honestly, there is little reason for anyone other than the die-hards like me to get season tickets next year. There isn't even the excitement of a great schedule when the home slate has Marshall, Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Michigan, Michigan, the tire fire that is Penn State, Wisconsin, and Indiana. Of those games, maybe Michigan and Wisconsin will be close to a sell out with visiting fans. Four of our seven opponents can't even come close to selling out their own stadiums, let alone a road venue.

I like that Burke is playing this very coy. I said all season hat Hope was safe based on the principle that Burke gave Jim Freaking Colletto six years and we were nothing short of awful under him except for two years when Mike Alstott was running apeshit on the conference. Even then, we were merely a bad team with a stud running back. College athletic economics are much different now. We have an extra home game to generate revenue, nearly every .500 team in the nation goes to a bowl game, and empty seats, especially empty club seats, speak volumes.

In the end, I can see hope possibly getting a token year or two extension to satisfy recruiting. He does have a near top 25 recruiting class coming in, which is a vast improvement over the past five years. Surprisingly, the class is currently third in the Big Ten behind Michigan and OMG URBAN MEYER IS SIGNING EVERY FIVE STAR RECRUIT INCLUDING A SEVEN STAR LONG SNAPPER AND OSU IS GUARANTEED TO WIN THE NEXT SEVEN SUPER BOWLS!!! Ohio State. It's not a flat out no, but it also isn't the OMG CHARLIE WEIS ALMOST BEAT USC, LET'S SIGN HIM FOR $5 BILLION/YEAR FOR THE NEXT THOUSAND YEARS that some schools give.

Hope needs to produce results, however. Next year has to be better than 6-6 or the cries for his job will get much louder. I trust the talent on the field, but I think that Hope's biggest problem is his coordinators. J.B. Gibboney is completely useless when it comes to special teams coverage. Gary Nord's offense has been as vanilla as possible for the last two years even when we have had healthy players. The defense seems to fluctuate from game to game whether it is going to look good (as it did for three quarters against Illinois and against Ohio State) and awful (the Wisconsin game). To close, I think hope absolutely must do the following to secure 2013:

1. He must avoid another bad non-conference loss. Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, and Eastern Michigan should all be easy wins.

2. He must win at least four conference games. Minnesota, Indiana, a rebuilding Illinois, and either Penn State or Iowa look like solid targets.

3. He has to show we can at least competitive against bigger, stronger teams like Wisconsin and Notre Dame.

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It took 6 years to get rid of Jim Colletto

I think it will take a lot for Burke to do anything.

by TheBox on Dec 15, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Coordinators

Get rid of them, and keep Hope for another year. Then, extend him next year if they improve.

Nord absolutely has to go.

by Kodiak33 on Dec 15, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

x2

The more I see and read up on the inner workings of the football program, the more I feel like Hope is not the root of all evil. He REALLY needs new coordinators though, the offensive packages of the last few seasons have atrocious at best, and blood curdling at worst. Essentially we might as well punt on 3rd and anything longer than 4 with the current system, because Nord’s answer for 3rd and long is almost always a draw play for a loss. We could save yardage, and might even surprise them and force the opposition to burn a time out.

I digress however, keep Hope one more year, see how his fabled recruiting class pans out. Fire coordinators. Burn Nord’s playbook, and piss on the ashes. Perhaps submit it to a museum displaying the proud works of mentally challenged people, maybe it could be an inspiration to someone.

by AAMB Boiler on Dec 15, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was really sad he didn't get that Head Coaching job down in Florida...

I thought that was our best opportunity to get rid of Nord… Sad…

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by JuJuan some Moore? on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The ppl in Florida looks at this site...

and realize the smart thing for them is not to get Nord. This site’s success becomes its worst enemy ;-)

by charlespig on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS!

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Dec 15, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez, you need a second to think about it?

It’s a no brainer, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by charlespig on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely extend him.

It’s a meaningless gesture that gives him something to say on the recruiting trail.

The only number that matters is the amount of his buyout. Go back to what happened with Tim Brewster at Minnesota. They gave him an extension that made it easier to fire him.

by Ray Williams? on Dec 15, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Reworking his contract should include buyout. Burke has to protect Purdue.

by One of these days on Dec 15, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

I never thought about that…but that would probably be best.

by Kodiak33 on Dec 15, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Still..

Fire the coordinators :)

by Kodiak33 on Dec 15, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Extend him to eternity, but make the buyout $1.

by charlespig on Dec 15, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The 2009 season

"You take about 12 plays out and it’s been a pretty good year." –Offensive coordinator Gary Nord

by Funk Soul Bubby on Dec 15, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

You lose all credibility when you say

“Yes, we were 5-7, but if you eliminate just a few dumb mistakes it easily could have been in Pasadena at 11-1.”

I have yet to see a 5-7 team that EASILY could have been 11-1. There is a reason what you have termed as “dumb mistakes” happened and happened again, happened enough to have lost 7 games.

by GrTexan on Dec 15, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

It easily could have been 11-1

Take away one of three turnovers at Oregon that led to points and it is a win.

Two fumbled punts led to the Northern Illinois loss.

One defensive play at the end of the ND game ends it.

We had six turnovers against Northwestern and still had a chance to win in the end. Simply going conservative in the end of the first half erases 13 points of theirs and three turnovers.

Minnesota was a case of one mistake snowballing, but this is the biggest stretch of the seven.

We lost a four point game to MSU by handing them seven on a first play fumble.

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 15, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Would have been 12-0 if we didn't allow Wisconsin to score more points than us...

Ifs, buts, candy, nuts…Merry Christmas.

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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 15, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Hope, that couldn’t happen to Purdue.

by drboiler on Dec 15, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

and...

i could have been an All-American shooting guard if the Flying Spaghetti Monster had blessed me with the necessary athletic ability.

I mean, we can play the “what-if” game if you really want; some scenarios are more reasonable (one defensive play at the end of ND) than others (me being an All-American bball player) but the fact is, to borrow from Bill Parcels, you are what your record says you are. We don’t get to fudge 5-7 into 11-1 just because in some instances it was close. If we were a better team, we would have made those plays and we would have won more games. But we weren’t talented enough, we didn’t play well enough and we didn’t coach well enough to win more games. So we deserved every bit of 5-7, and no one gets a pass on that.

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by therailroadtie on Dec 15, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I Would Have Been a Street and Smith All American

if I could have only went to my right. That’s what you get for masturbating with your left hand at such an early age!

by ZoKnowsDefense on Dec 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure the point is not "we can feel better about it"

but rather, at the time, talent wasn’t really the problem. it was bad luck + bad coaching. which is still pretty true.

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by McAfee#1 on Dec 16, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the point is

We actually had a chance in most of the big games that season. There were plenty of indications that Hope had turned the program around. Tiller’s teams rarely played up to the level of a superior opponent. Hope made us all believe that we could compete with the B1G heavyweights.

This year, even with two of the huskier programs off the schedule and aOSU being down, we weren’t within striking distance in the final minutes.

Lord, jager me strength.

by doublegoldandblack on Dec 15, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Oregon won the Pac-10 that year and went to the Rose Bowl. We outplayed them on their home field, which is one of the toughest places to play in the country. I don’t have the confidence we could do that now.

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 15, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you

1. have the confidence that Purdue can play competitively with Oregon going into the Oregon game?

2. have the confidence that Purdue can play competitively with Oregon the next week after the lose to NIU?

3. have the confidence that Purdue can play competitively with Oregon after the end of the game fiasco against ND the following week?

by GrTexan on Dec 15, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What about after beating Ohio State?

Did you have the confidence that Purdue could play with Oregon after that? You did? What about after beating Michigan at Michigan, a place where we never competed at all?

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by babaoreally on Dec 15, 2011 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

NO, I did not

In view of Purdue’s inconsistent play, I have no confidence that Purdue will win any particular game!

by GrTexan on Dec 16, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I should have said win or even play well.

by GrTexan on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

TMill's right

about how close we were to being a great team two years ago which is exactly why Hope should be fired. We’ve got worse in the three years he’s been here. The record may fool Morgan Burke, but it doesn’t fool the fans who follow Purdue football. We improved from 5-7 two years ago to 6-6 this year, but when you take into consideration our game plans we used and level of competition we face compared to two years ago it’s clear our team is not as good.

by boilerg on Dec 15, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG, that's borderline Hope-ism

He can always spin a loss into positive. He can look at a 6-15 and 1 INT line of a QB and claims he plays well b/c the INT is not his fault and if you look at the tape there are dropped passes and etc so it’s really 6-8. That’s just bad statistics and only Wall Street folks do that. You just can’t excuse all your miscues as unfortunate and never ever mention all the lucky breaks you get. If he is excluding the dropped passes from receivers, then he needs to also exclude the YAC that is due to the receiver’s brilliance rather than the QB’s throw. You can’t have it only one way.

Look, I admire his (and your) positive attitude, at some point, we need to see results. It’s one thing to be positive and keep saying “We’ll get better.” But after 3 yrs we need to see some concrete results.

by charlespig on Dec 15, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The margin of defeat that year on 6 of those 7 losses was ridiculously low.

So I really don’t see your argument here. TMill speaks the truth. You eliminate one or two bad plays in critical spots in each of those 6 games, and the outcome would have been incredibly different.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Dec 15, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez

You eliminate one or two good plays in each of those 6 games (or just keep one or two big plays from the opponent), and the result is we got blown out already.

by charlespig on Dec 15, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but the playcalling was infinitely better

Do you really see this team losing 38-36 at Oregon now, giving up 17 points on turnovers? No! More likely, we get blown out 52-17

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 16, 2011 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Extending him would be insane.

The allegedly already cash strapped athletic department that nearly lost Matt Painter for those very reasons is going to spend a lot of money on Danny Hope? Yeesh. I would like to see this as an IU fan, but am fearful of it as a football fan.

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by JustAJ on Dec 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

uhh....

this summer? When he had one foot out the door? Were you in a comma?

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by JustAJ on Dec 15, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

april = summer??

also, get your facts straight. Mizzou made him an offer. Mizzou fans freaked out and believed offer = acceptance. Purdue offered an extension, and Painter accepted.

by cjboiler on Dec 15, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

the fact that he was listening means it was a plausible scenario that he was gone

the national media, no matter how incompetent they are don’t say that he’s taking the money and running without some very good sources and rationale.

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by JustAJ on Dec 15, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

it was frightening

We did almost lose him.

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 15, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

coma**

just noticed that.

/grammar nazi

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by JustAJ on Dec 15, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Coma, comma

I was going to say maybe he was in a semicolon or an exclamation point!

by ledman24 on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

coma comma Karma chameleon!

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 16, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Wudda, shudda, cudda

Even great teams make mistakes. Well coached teams consistently overcome their own errors and take advantage their opponent’s. Save a handful of exceptions, we have show the ability to do neither in the last three years.

TEN teams from the conference made bowls this year. For that to be a standard by which ongoing employment is measured is an embarrassment to the entire Purdue community. When you consider that we achieved this honor by wins over four of the poorest teams in college football (and very nearly lost two of those), the “progress” of Hope administration in 2011 is revealed for what it is – weak performance against substandard competition.

I’ve seen enough. Hope has had three years to show us something. I don’t think he’s capable of showing us anything more next year.

Nice guy. Good try. Time to move on. The only thing I would be extending to DH is his buyout check.

"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"

by boilerslim on Dec 15, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

No.

Will never forgive him for the Rice debacle and non-competitive disasters against ND, Wisconsin, & Michigan.

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by PurdueMatt on Dec 15, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

He’s lucky to have 3 years left. Go 8-4 next year then we can talk extension.

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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it interesting

That most people here are willing to forgive the terrible bball loss at Xavier but not forgive the terrible football loss at Rice. Am I comparing Painter and Hope, no, I’m not. It just seems that the fanbase has some weird tendencies in these comments. Remember Painter didn’t get to the sweet sixteen till year four (and our bball program should have higher expectations than football. And please stop comparing Hope to Colletto, he has never gone 1-10 and Colletto never upset a #7 team.

by boilerrob on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Xavier, 8th ranked team in country.

Rice about 164th…

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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 15, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

A discrepancy in these losses though...

Is that Xavier is a top ten gangster basketball program. Rice on the other hand, is Rice. Losing a close game to a ranked team is more excusable that losing a close game to a garbage team. I assure you that the basketball fan base would be livid if Purdue dropped a came to one of these directional state universities. (Which they’ve come close…)

by AAMB Boiler on Dec 15, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If the 2011 Rice Team Was a Top 10 Team....

playing in a snakepit of a home environment perhaps you might have a point. Otherwise you are way off base here.

It’s funny though, I tend to think the football fanbase is much more forgiving than the basketball fanbase when it comes to their respective performances. As I am definitely a basketball fanbase guy, I can’t see how Danny Hope believes he is worthy of a contract extension based on the level of erratic play coming from his coached squad merely based on the fact he was able to get Purdue into a bowl game that is as irrelevant a bowl game as there ever was….

by ZoKnowsDefense on Dec 15, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You're Right

didn’t know what they called that thing. They’re both poor excuses for under-acheiving coaches to point to some modicum of success in order to keep their jobs.

by ZoKnowsDefense on Dec 15, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Never mention Painter and Hope in the same breath.

However, you’ve hit the bullseye on the Colletto comparison. That’s just foolish.

by Jackson Brunner on Dec 15, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez, comparing Xavier to Rice?!?!?!

If we have lost to High Point at home, then you may compare that to Rice. But seriously, Xavier? Few expect us to win at Xavier, who is the #8 (or #11, depending on whom and when the ranking is based) and is a hostile place to play in. There are more Purdue fans at Rice than Rice fans for crying out loud. Geez, we are talking about Rice, not the Texas Longhorns.

by charlespig on Dec 15, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey... off topic...

Any news on the Celtics/Pacers game?

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by JuJuan some Moore? on Dec 15, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing yet

haven’t gotten the link.

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Bottom line

Hope either gets an extension or gets his walking papers. I think those are Burke’s only two options at this point without damaging the program. As much as I would like to see someone else take the reigns, if Burke isn’t willing to ax Hope this off season, he’s got to offer an extension. I don’t want to see another lame duck coach struggling to recruit.

Lord, jager me strength.

by doublegoldandblack on Dec 15, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Gotta extend him

All the viable replacement candidates have been snatched up already. Hopefully there’s a good OC option that makes getting rid of Nord possible

by chops1221 on Dec 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

Bottom line-

DH is a good guy, a good recruiter (relatively), runs a clean program and his students are actually good students. He’s energetic, enthusiastic, has passion and loves his players and for the most part represents Purdue with the utmost respect. I like all that. I like his players, I like his style, I like him. A lot of that would be hard to replace right now. We were spoiled with Tiller, and if anyone thinks we can just go grab another coach and they will automatically be better than what we have is crazy.

Bottom line is money. I think DH can be a good HC for us, but the AD has to be willing to spend the money on the rest of the program (i.e. assistant coaches, recruiting, facilities, etc) before we go asking for a replacement. Whats the point of getting a new coach if the support system around him stays the same?

If we are to fire DH, then the ENTIRE program needs to be overhauled and not just the personnel. I think that Hope’s positive traits are something that we can build a program on, but he has to be given the tools to succeed from our AD or he is doomed, and so is anyone else that takes our HC job.

Think I’m wrong? Look at what happened to Tiller. We were successful, other programs took notice and then poached our assistants from him one by one because Purdue wasn’t willing to step up and pay to retain them.

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Dec 15, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I definitely agree.

Respect has to be given to DH as a person. Nord is the one that calls plays…and he simply sucks at it. Emanuel’s D isn’t consistent enough.

by Jackson Brunner on Dec 15, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

+9999999999

You sum it up nicely for me. It isn’t like firing Hope and we will magically be playing in the Rose Bowl. Who else can we reasonably get that is undoubtedly better than Hope? Sumlin, Leach are all gone, so as Urban Meyer for those who think we have unlimited resources to throw around. Hope may be your best bet at this point, and just steal some good assistants elsewhere.

by charlespig on Dec 15, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Everyone wants the “wonder hire” and yeah some of them work out, but there are also a lot that flame out.

Be careful what you wish for.

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Dec 16, 2011 5:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Look at Illinois

Illinois sent a message when they fired their 6-6 coach. Why do we have lower standards then them? Their coach even had an 11 win season to boot.

On a side note, I feel we missed the boat now that Mike Leach has committed to coaching Washington State. All he did was win in a very exciting fashion with a traditionally weak school against NCAA powerhouses.

Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever.

by Zboiler on Dec 15, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

11 wins?

When did the Zooker get 11 wins at Illinois?

by chops1221 on Dec 15, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Never

The rose bowl team only ended 9-4.

by AustinP0027 on Dec 15, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You caught me

Your right, for some reason I thought they won 11 one year. Maybe I’m mixing it up with Mizzou. I am in the STL area.

Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever.

by Zboiler on Dec 15, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We're lower on the food chain than Wazzu now?

Pullman is a hellhole, even compared to Lubbock!

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 16, 2011 5:14 AM EST up reply actions  

We're lower on the food chain than Wazzu now?

Pullman is a hellhole, even compared to Lubbock!

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 16, 2011 5:15 AM EST up reply actions  

not even close to the same situation

Huge difference between a coach in his 6th year having a 6-0 team completely quit on him and a coach in his third year have an up and down 6 win season. I know everyone wants to win 10 games and I’m with you, but firing Hope is not the answer and would only set the program back.

by boilerrob on Dec 15, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

And actually,

Zook went 34-51 at Illinois, 18-38 in Big 10 play.

by AustinP0027 on Dec 15, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Reply fail

That moment when you hit the reply button, but the post doesn’t stack itself correctly…

by AustinP0027 on Dec 15, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Like everyone else is saying.

We need new coordinators. I don’t mind Hope as the coach actually. He brings energy, seems to be a players coach, recruiting is alright, and wants the program to get in the right direction. But we need to stop with the QB roundabout and stick to a guy along with better game management.

by Boiler219 on Dec 15, 2011 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

What sucks

is that I think there’s a very good chance that Appleby and/or Marshall could be the QB of the future. I just have no confidence in this coaching staff to put them in a position to succeed.

by Jackson Brunner on Dec 15, 2011 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think its fair to judge Hope’s career by this year’s qb situation. You had 2 guys who were not going to be the starter thrust into the role 2 weeks before the season. Throw in that neither one of them could throw the ball more than ten yards, that takes away half of your playbook and neuters the other half. I’m not saying the 2 qb system is a good idea, but at least recognize this year was a completely unworkable situation. I’m really interested to see how the extra time off for the bowl game affects the gameplan.

by boilerrob on Dec 15, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm hesitant to say it was completely unworkable.

i’m more willing to give a pass like that for last year, with injuries almost literally decimating the team at skill positions.

the fact of the matter is, the 2 qb system was one that hope stubbornly kept to, even though it was schizo and worked less than half the time.

"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.

by McAfee#1 on Dec 16, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

No he does not deserve it

Hope has not earned an extension, his record is mediocre or worse by any measure. He may have to get one to allow recruiting to continue but doing so without meaningfully extending the buyout cost is part of Burke’s job he can probably handle.

Re his coordinators, keep in mind those are all Hope’s hires, they are a reflection of his ability as a head coach. Recruit well, hire good staff, direct the practices, and manage the game are his top responsibilities. I’m not overwhelmed by recruiting so far but that is his best performance of these four areas. His staff is poor to really bad. Practices are reflected on the field and he loses there too. Good effort some weeks, poor the next. Multiple penalties, many of them stupid 15 yarders are a result of poor instruction and lack of emphasis on avoiding them. Game management errors are legion and have been amply discussed on this site.

So he needs to go 7-5 at worst, make a much better bowl, get more fans in the seats and be competitive in games we lose. Reduce substantially the penalties. Make us look like we know what we are doing. That’s a very large order based on his history. I’m hopeful that everyone stays healthy, Henry is a potent weapon, the defense gets better, and we can pull off all listed above. Won’t bet anything it will happen, just waiting to be surprised.

by row boilers on Dec 15, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

Being competitive in games we lose isn't going to do anything...

Lets just say…..“We are 3-9 next year, but hey! at least we were real close in those games”
Who cares about how close we were, lets care about wins and losses. If we are winning games = more attendance. Losing games is still a loss in the standings, no matter what the margin is. I’m just tired of being average and pulling off maybe 2 good wins a year, but then getting absolutely smoked/embarrassed in 2 other ones. And then obviously win or lose close games in the others. Something has to be done in regards to the personnel. New coach or coordinators is the only way to change this and get back towards the top. With Appleby and a decent class coming in, shit needs to happen so we can take these new players and win with them.

by Boiler219 on Dec 16, 2011 2:44 AM EST reply actions  

With that said, I forgot something.

I actually don’t mind Hope. He carries himself pretty well, cares about the players, and wants the program to succeed. Sure he makes some mistakes, which he needs to tighten up on, but the coordinators are calling the plays. Nord is the one in practice with the offense. He is seeing the offensive personnel and is calling the shots. He’s relaying what he sees to Hope. Coach is looking at all 3 phases of the game, Nord looks at the offense. Coordinators are most of the reason.

by Boiler219 on Dec 16, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Very easy for the Head Coach to say....

“Ya know, Gary, I don’t want to run a QB draw with TerBush on 3rd and 7 any more. THIS is the play I want to run.”

or

“Hey, Gary, we need to throw a deep ball every once in a while with our offense and maybe not so many jailbreak screens. Get that in the play sequence, okay?”

No? Hope isn’t necessarily calling the plays, but he can influence how Nord is calling a game.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Dec 16, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

NORD

Is he also the QB coach? Whoever that is needs to go as well. I’m sure Hope is getting information on playing two QBs and who starts from that guy.

Hope needs to take more responsibility for getting this program back in order.

by Kodiak33 on Dec 16, 2011 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

Nobody's mentioning

The fact that Hope’s terrible recruiting is putting this program in a hole for years to come. There was a time (early to mid 00’s) when Purdue routinely landed several four and five-star kids per class. Hope has landed two four-star commits during his entire tenure — OJ and ATM. How is this team supposed to compete with Wisconsin, O$U, Michigan, Nebraska, etc. when it simply doesn’t have the athletes to match up?

Anyone who is advocating extending this guy’s contract is advocating mediocrity. Backing into the Little Caesar’s bowl isn’t anywhere near good enough. I, for one, want to see the Boilers get back to the Rose Bowl and be in contention to do so on a yearly basis.

by David P Funk on Dec 16, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

That's a ridiculous statement.

The only difference between a 3 star kid and a 4 star and some 5 stars ( we don’t get 5 stars, besides there isn’t that many available anyway) is their ability to play as true freshman versus needing some skill development, conditioning or both.

A star rating on a recruit has little bearing on the impact they will have throughout their collegiate career. If a program has a good method for player development a solid 3 star recruit plus a redshirt year can become a 4 year contributor at this level.

The major advantage of having higher rated talent is depth not talent. And, we know how well that “top talent” has performed for us in the past. Most are headcases that think they “deserve” playing time, and that’s not how it works here.

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Dec 16, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a much bigger difference

Show me a team that has won its conference without landing a four or five-star kid over a four-year period. I’d be willing to bet it’s never happened. But that’s where Purdue is under Hope.

It’s more than just whether or not a player needs to develop. It’s the difference between the kids who sign with Ohio State and Michigan and the kids who sign at Purdue and Illinois. If you would avoid the top talent because of experiences with Bernie Pollard or Ray Edwards, you’re a fool.

It’s also absurd that you’ve just accepted that “we don’t get 5 stars.” I want Big Ten championships. I want to contend for national championships. I want to win a national championship or two. Anything that doesn’t bring this team closer to that goal is a waste of time.

by David P Funk on Dec 17, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares if we have a good recruiting class coming in?

Hope doesn’t know what to do with the talent he already has.

by dsince1984 on Dec 16, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

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