The Indiana Hoosiers: Your Old Oaken Bucket Preview
In 1997 both Indiana and Purdue were about equal. Each program was starting under a new coach and had not had success in some time. The Hoosiers had not been bowling since 1993, while for Purdue it had been much longer (1984). Both teams were hoping for stability and a chance to move up in the Big Ten hierarchy from the bottom.
Purdue brought in Joe Tiller, who in 12 years went to 10 bowl games, one a Big Ten championship, came within a game of two more Big Ten titles, and retired with the most wins in Purdue history. Indiana went with Cam Cameron, who gave way to Gerry DiNardo, Terry Hoeppner (who was the right man before his tragic death), Bill Lynch, and finally, Kevin Wilson.
We have had two coaches in the intervening 15 years, while they have had five. We've been to ten bowl games to their one, yet I would argue that our programs are back to being even. In the standings we're ahead of them with more Big Ten wins of late, but given our struggles outside of the conference, and the fact they currently hold the Bucket, we're closer than we want to admit.
On paper, Saturday should be an easy win. We're facing a 1-10 team that is one of only three programs without a win against an FBS team. They are 3-28 in their last 31 Big Ten games, beating Northwestern 21-19 in 2008, Illinois 27-14 in 2009, and us 34-31 last year in overtime. That said, they have finished 1-7 in the conference nine times since 1997, but they last went winless in league play in 1995. Twice in that time (1996 and 2010) we were their lone conference win.
I admit that we should have an easy time against them, but I have learned it is never easy with us, especially this year. Yes, we have five wins, but we needed a blocked field goal, and onside kick recovery, and overtime to get three of them. Only against SEMO and Minnesota have we been able to sit back and relax. Given that we struggled and lost to Rice (whom I think is a worse team than Indiana), we can take nothing for granted.
2011 Record: 1-10, 0-7 Big Ten
2010 Record: 5-7, 1-7 Big Ten
Bowl result: None
Blog Representation: Crimson Quarry
Series with Purdue: Purdue leads 70-37-6
Last Purdue win: 11/21/2009 at Indiana 38-21
Last Indiana win: 11/27/2010 at Purdue 34-31 OT
Quarterbacks:
The Hoosiers have tried three quarterbacks out this season, finally settling on freshman Tre Roberson and using him to build for the future. Like Antwaan Randle El and Kellen Lewis before him, he is a dual threat. Though not as good as them (at least yet), he has some promise. He has completed 55% of his passes for 790 yards and three scores against five picks in eight games. On the ground he has 349 yards rushing and two more scores. On our end, I see no reason to expect we'll change from Caleb TerBush and Robert Marve. In the games this system has worked, it works well. TerBush has opened the game with a score in five straight games. Marve had success against OSU and got us moving against Iowa. In the long run I like Roberson, but for now, I'll take TerBush and Marve. Edge: Purdue
Running Backs:
We need to run the ball. Indiana gives up 239 rushing yards per game, good for 117th nationally among FBS teams. Only Kansas, Texas Tech, and New Mexico are worse. They give up over 50 yards more per game on the ground than Northwestern, who is next worst in the conference. Conversely, only Stephen Houston and Roberson have been effective running the ball. Houston has 673 yards and 7 TD's on the year. Ralph Bolden and Akeem Shavers should have room and we absolutely must run the ball until they prove they can stop it. Major Edge: Purdue
Wide Receivers:
This is where Indiana's offense has taken a major hit down the stretch. Demarlo Belcher was a potential all-Big Ten receiver, but he was dismissed after six games. Kofi Hughes leads them with 30 catches for 472 yards and three scores, but the inconsistency with quarterbacks is likely to blame for the lack of numbers. Duwyce Wilson has battled injury this year, but three of his 17 catches have gone for touchdowns. Dre Muhammad has also been effective in the passing game, as they like to spread the ball around like us. Edge: Even
Offensive Line:
It begins up front for Indiana, as they have been pushed around by almost everyone. The line has given up 30 sacks and an astounding 79 tackles for loss in 11 games. Justin Pagan is the only lineman even close to Big Ten size at 6'5" 294 pounds. They start two freshman, and one is 6'2" 263 pound guard Collin Rahrig. In this day and age that is almost criminally undersized in this conference. Bernard Taylor is only 278 at the other guard position, so I expect a huge day from Kawann Short and Bruce Gaston. Major Edge: Purdue
Defensive Line:
It has been clear since the Illinois game that we go as our defensive line goes. When they are dominating as they have been against Ohio State and Illinois, we're good. When they are neutralized like Wisconsin and Iowa did, we look awful. Brandon Taylor got his first career touchdown last week and has really come on as a solid back up, but we still struggle on the ends. For Indiana, good lines don't give up 240 yards per game on the ground. Adam Replogle leads them with four sacks and they have 17 on the season, but this is a terrible unit against the run. We're merely bad at times and dominant at others. Edge: Purdue
Linebackers:
Jeff Thomas is their leading tackler with 71 stops, including 9.5 for loss. He is an experienced senior that has served them very well this season. Leon Beckum (another senior) and Chase Hoobler (a redshirt freshman) represent a lot about Indiana this year. They either start seniors that have been around for awhile, or freshman. Among their 22 listed starters, 11 are freshmen. Six of those freshmen play on defense. That means in about two years this will be a very experienced unit, but right now they are struggling as freshmen do. On our side I expect Chris Carlino to start in place of Dwayne Beckford, who will likely be suspended after being ejected late against Iowa. Captain Morgan and Joe Holland will know what to do as seniors. Edge: Purdue
Secondary:
This is where the youth movement really is. Sophomore corner Greg Heban is the most experienced player. Mark Murphy and Micheal Hunter were playing in high school a year ago, while Drew Hardin is a redshirt freshman. This group has five interceptions, two by Heban. This is where having a player like Ricardo Allen is helpful. Allen is due for another pick six, and this could be the week for it. Edge: Purdue
Special Teams:
Adam Pines averages only 38 yards per kick, while Mitch Ewald is a solid 12 of 15 on field goal attempts. Shane Wynn is a dangerous kickoff returner that has already taken one back this year, but Raheem Mostert has a higher average with Akeem Hunt. This area is just about even, mostly because they don't have J.B. Gibboney's coverage schemes. Edge: Even
Coaching:
I will give Kevin Wilson credit. He is rolling the dice with his players and letting them gain experience for the future. He has an indentity of spreading the ball around while making the quarterback a threat to run. He at least has a plan in place. I don't think we have a plan. Edge: Indiana
Outlook:
Almost nothing would surprise me in this game. We could go out, play to our ability, and blow them out as badly as Michigan State did last week. We also could let Stephen run for 160 yards and three scores, allow Roberson to pick us apart, turn the ball over five times, and lose 31-14. Neither would be shocking in my eyes. I'd like to think that the motivation of getting our Bucket back and playing to send the seniors to their first postseason game would be inspiring, but it was supposed to be inspiring last week too (sans the Bucket). Iowa didn't even play that well, but you had little doubt they would win after the first drive when we didn't even look interested in covering one of the Big Ten's best receivers. If we can't do that, how can we expect to be motivated to stop Indiana?
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Attending the game? I am thinking of making the stop down to the game before returning to my home in the glamorous state of Kentucky.
IU is known for tailgating so maybe we could get a H&R tailgate spot.
by BoilermakerAustin on Nov 22, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions
Myself and a friend
Will be going to the game. Section 3 I think.
Kick the tires and light the fires
by BeardedBoiler11 on Nov 22, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Im going down.
Its myself, my brother and 2 friends. Pretty sure I’m in Section 30
by carlandybob on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I am going too
Haven’t missed a Bucket game home or away since 1999.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
by BoilerTMill on Nov 22, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I've been to all 13 Bucket games since 1998
But I’m only about 50-50 on whether or not I’ll go this year…
by PU03 on Nov 22, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll be there. Most of the BoilerPaulie clan will.
wife, sister, and parents. don’t know where we’re sitting yet. I don’t think my dad has even bothered to get the tickets yet. not like it’s in danger of selling out though.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Nov 22, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Last week you gave Hope the edge over Ferentz...this week you give a coach of a 1-7 team the edge over Hope? Huh?
"The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team." - John Wooden
no disrespect
Love the blog and the content you throw up here, just generally confused by the rationale…
"The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team." - John Wooden
by BoilerLax26 on Nov 22, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
It's schitzophrenia just like Hope's game day planning
In my eyes, the only thing we have in our favor is the fact that we lost last week. Danny has to win so we can maintain our pattern of WLWLWLWLWL.
We lost to Michigan and Wisky back to back....
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 22, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I know, but I've wrapped that 2 week window into 1 bag of flaming poo in my mind
Primarily inferring to our constant up/down tendencies, never being able to carry any momentum/tendencies/progress from one game to the next.
Forget week to week, we can't hold momentum for more than one play that gives it to us.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Nov 22, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty fair look at the Hoosiers. FYI, Duwyce Wilson is out for the season, so I don’t know if that tips the balance to Purdue on WR. I still feel pretty good about what IU has there despite the attrition.
I have no idea what to expect, either. We have been all over the map. We’ve played toe-to-toe with teams like Penn State, Ohio State and Virginia (don’t laugh, the Cavs are now ranked and are a home win over VT away from playing for the ACC title), yet looked horrible in more winnable games against the likes of North Texas, Ball State,and Northwestern. Purdue certainly has a much better resume than IU this year, but other than at Penn State has played very poorly on the road. It seems like the sort of game that will be decided by turnovers and special teams, much like the 2009 game.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions
Not going to laugh at Virginia
We went down when Virginia played at Miami and that is a team getting better every week and playing with a lot of confidence.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
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by BoilerTMill on Nov 22, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
"If rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it"
- Bobby Knight (interview with Connie Chung in 1988)
I am reminded of this comment every time I hear people argue that Burke will keep Hope for another year so we might as well accept it. I disagree with those who content that you have to support the coaches to support the team. If anything, a new coach next year will do more for the prospects of current underclassmen and recruits than keeping the current staff. I’m in full support of my Boilers, but not this ‘braintrust’.
To paraphrase a ref during the Iowa game ejecting a Purdue player for unacceptable conduct (a punch), “Mr Hope has excused himself from the remainder of his contract”.
The future is not certain. Continue to make your dissatisfaction with the Hope regime known.
Boiler UP! Rise UP!!
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Depends on who the new coach is
a new coach next year will do more for the prospects of current underclassmen and recruits than keeping the current staff
I mean, at the end of Tiller’s era, I too thought a coaching change is good and needed. Look what we have now 3 yrs later.
In any case, I do agree with you that it’s probably best for Hope and us to go separate ways. I think Hope is a genuine guy, just doesn’t have what it takes to take our program to where we want it to be.
FIFY:
In any case, I do agree with you that it’s probably best forHopeHope and Burke and us to go separate ways.
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 22, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
True, but that's a separate issue
And there are many such issues with the football program under Burke.
My point today is that we all need to demand better and demand it now. Doing so should not be interpreted as non-support for the players. Hope has had his chance.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Also, this may be our best shot at Sumlin.
He’s hit the glass ceiling at Houston and should be looking to move on to a power conference team. We need to take a run at him before a power team like OSU or PSU (to name two looking right now) come calling. Unless he wants to be the next Boise/Petersen, in which case we won’t ever have a shot at him, we need to lock him up now if we wnat a chance.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Nov 22, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Rich Rod
I read today that he may be on his way to Arizona. I’m not saying we’d want him, but the big names are starting to move. More competition for quality head coaches will materialize soon.
Tis the season!
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Really should be no excuse
for Purdue to lose this game. IU is incredibly young. Appearantly Wilson didn’t think much at all about the returning upperclassmen, and either benched them or kicked a lot of them off the team. I think they’ve played something like 30+ either RS or true freshman this year.
Payback
I’m hoping we do to them exactly what they did to us last year – beat them in their stadium, then fire our coach.
should be a rout
IU decided in about week 5 to punt the season and start working for 2012. Then again the young guys have shown flashes of potential and maybe they put it all together for their bowl game this season. I’ll venture to say Purdue wins by two touchdowns but wouldn’t be surprised if it was drastically more or drastically less. I really don’t know what to expect from the Hoosiers day to day let alone week to week.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if IU gets beat down.
That defense is incredibly bad. I’m fairly certain Purdue could line up the middle each and every play and would still score 28 points. Then on the other hand the season is at least somewhat redeemed if IU can win on Saturday so I have to think all the freshmen will give it their all.
Regardless all the Purdue alums who are going to the game on my party bus seem to be going to the game and all the IU alums are not. Once the Purdue half of us comes back from the game victorious I’m making it my goal to beat the crap out of every single one of them in cornhole.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Nov 22, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're all on the same page here,
but the scary part is, so were a lot of Iowa fans last week. Not quite to the same extent, but a lot of them were not confident in Iowa’s abilities to win the game.
With how unpredictable this team is, it’s anybody’s game. We’ll see how it goes though.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Running up the middle each and every play may have been a joke..
But it probably would work and allow us to control the game. Of course, you don’t have to worry about us actually doing that though. We will run read options and bubble screens with the occasional fake punt/run/punt play to mix things up. Book IT!!
Playcalling solution!
Current Boilermakers and recent alums will be all to familiar with the “CPS Pad” that allows students to wirelessly respond to multiple choice questions in lectures. I say lets use them in football games. Between plays, they can display 3 or 4 potential plays on the jumbotron, a la Madden. The fans then have 10 seconds to vote. Call the highest voted play into the QB, and run it. Can’t be any worse than what we have now right? Well, maybe. The choices would probably be:
Run up the middle for no gain
Option read for 3 to 5 yard loss
Bubble screen for 2 yard loss to 1 yard gain
Pass play featuring mixture of routes for 10 yard gain, 50% chance of incompletion / 50% chance of interception
Oh well, it’s worth a shot.
Hope has been using that system for 2 years
They use simulated fan data in practice and Hope has been delighted with the system. However, the CPS Pad devices for the spectator seats were eliminated in one of Burke’s cost cutting moves. For some reason, the system seem sluggish on Saturdays.
Very excited!
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Coaching Edge: Indiana?
You know things are bad when a coach with a 1-10 record and without a win against a FBS team is given the coaching edge.
lol
At the minimum, I think the IU coach calls better timeouts.
5 bucks said most of you here would swap coaches if given the opportunity
if Hope was fired last year, Wilson would be a guy you would be targeting to replace him.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Keep your 5 bucks
Most of us here see Hope’s exit as an opportunity to significantly upgrade the position.
Last year, I don’t remember seeing Wilson on anyone’s wish list. This year, I’d guess most H&R readers are content with Wilson right where he is.
That said, thanks for your generous trade offer. If you want Hope, Morgan Burke may soon be a very motivated seller.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
It could be a two-for
You can have Burke as part of the deal as well!!!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not hardly...
Wilson’s name probably never crossed the lips of more than 10 Purdue fans, total. And those… would have to be St. Louis Rams fans.
Since this might be the last game of the season...
What’s the point of comparing teams in this way? I haven’t seen too many situations in which it matters how a team’s wide receivers match up with the other team’s wide receivers?
See last week.
Remember Mcnutt? I think our secondary is still trying to rinse the McNutt he busted out their hair. There isn’t a game changing receiver like that on either side of the ball this week, but just saying it can happen.
McNutt wasn't being covered by Gary Bush.
I’m refering to the premise of comparing teams/analyzing the game based on the relative ability of players playing the same position for each team. They don’t compete on the field. Marvin McNutt had success against the Purdue secondary with help from an anemic pass rush and out of position linebackers, not because O.J. Ross isn’t as good as he is.
by Ray Williams? on Nov 23, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I see this game as a win-win situation for us
If we win the Bucket, we’re bowl eligible and (supposedly) showing improvement. I’d really like to see them make a bowl for the seniors’ sake.
If we lose the Bucket, it could be even better in that it forces Hope out the door that much faster. I’m sure he’ll still try and paint a rosy picture even if they do lose.
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