Iowa 31, Purdue 21: Bucket Or Bust Now
I am thankful that the good people from Black Heart Gold Pants were able to stop by and enjoy some tailgating time after the game. I got to finally meet two of the other writers here at the site (Juan and Riley) and enjoy some Boilermaker tailgate chili on a windswept afternoon. I even had a nice phone call with Sean Matti's parents on what had to be a difficult day for them.
Those were the day's highlights. Once again, the schizophrenic entity that is the Purdue Boilermakers football team gave us bad Purdue a week after we got good Purdue. A week after we held a potent Ohio State running game mostly in check we had no idea what to do when Marcus Coker ran off tackle to the tune of 139 yards and a touchdown. We treated Marvin McNutt, only the best receiver in Iowa history and one of the best this season in the conference, like he was an ineligible pass-catcher. That's the only logical explanation for him running wide open all over the field time and again for nine catches, 151 yards, and two scores. It really could have been three scores too if not for a dropped sure touchdown.
Coker and McNutt were unquestionably the best players on the field. In fact, they were far and away Iowa's best options to the point where no one else (except Keenan Davis) really needed to do anything. We knew they were the first two options on every play, but still looked surprised when they got the ball.
On offense for us... aye. I am left shaking my head at this point. Ralph Bolden was working, but we only gave him 14 touches. Robert Marve seemed to energize the offense, but he was pulled after his second pick (the first wasn't his fault). We got the benefit of a defensive touchdown, but other than Caleb TerBush doing his usual first drive scripted touchdown we did very little until down by 17.
Finally, we had the bad break of the late fumble that was ruled out of the end zone. We don't automatically win if that becomes a touchdown, but we at least have a chance, instead, this becomes another frustrating loss in a season full of them where the opposition was very beatable, but we shot ourselves in the foot like we did at Penn State and Rice.
Really, this was the mark of a bad football team. As we have seen in 11 games, we can look very, very good if things are working. We can also look very, very bad if they are not. For the third straight year we sent our seniors off with a home loss in a game that we made a metric ton of mistakes in. We lack consistency, which can make even an under-talented team a good one.
Today was no different. Marve was taking some shots down the field, something that has been missing from the offense all year. It worked a few times, but then he threw a critical pick. Bolden was finding room to run, but for the most part he was missing the hole and leaving yards on the field because he was choosing to stretch the play instead of hitting said hole. Brandon Taylor made a fumble recovery for a touchdown to tie the game and put some energy back in the crowd just before halftime. Instead of the defense rallying behind this momentum we gave up a touchdown drive that, in reality, all but ended the game.
I have to credit Iowa too. James Vandenberg was well protected and rarely had to make a difficult throw. they never did anything special because they didn't have to. We never forced them into anything else. Each out route seemed to be wide open and a swing across the field. When a receiver like McNutt breaks on a crossing route and Josh Johnson leaves him to do so, like he did for a first down on 3rd and nine with under ten minutes to play, that is not a player making a spectacular play. That is a blown coverage and not knowing the situation.
Every positive today seemed to be followed by a glaring negative or two. The late Bolden touchdown was followed by that drive where McNutt was uncovered and if he is covered, we can stop them and get the ball back down two scores with 10 minutes to play. We likely get it in good field position too because of the wind. Instead, we give up a first down, they worked more time off the clock, and we later had to go 91 yards instead of 50 or so.
What baffles me is that we have shown we can play so much better. Last week the defensive line was excellent. Against Illinois we kept A.J. Jenkins, a similar talent to McNutt, covered the entire time. We never were able to take the advantage at any time today and that is what resulted in the loss.
Now we have to move on and head to Bloomington next week. Yes, the Hoosiers are 1-10 and possibly the worst FBS team in the country, but I have absolutely no idea what to expect. Would another 62-10 blowout in our favor surprise me? No. Would a 27-17 Indiana win where we turn the ball over five times surprise me? Absolutely not. Akron, Indiana, and Florida Atlantic are the only FBS teams in the country that have not beaten another FBS team this year. Still, they have been competitive against teams that are better than us and this is their bowl game. They give up over 250 yards per game on the ground, but I don't think our coaching staff is smart enough to take advantage of that. It is pretty sad that I would not be a bit surprised if we lost to a 1-10 team coming off of a 52 point loss.
One thing we have learned is that we cannot take anything for granted this year. To me, the Indiana game is now the biggest game of Danny Hope's career. Win it, and you reach a likely bowl game and a level of success that was almost unanimously agreed upon as the ceiling for this year. Lose it, and you have two absolutely brutal losses (Indiana and Rice) to two of the worst teams in the nation in 2011, preventing you from a postseason game for the fourth consecutive year. Most people agreed that a bowl game would be enough to give Hope another year, and I agree with them because of the improved recruits he is bringing in. I still disagree with many of his coaching choices, but I am willing to give him another year if we reach a bowl game because it is still improvement.
If Danny Hope wants to keep his job in 2012 we absolutely must beat Indiana. Lose, and he needs to be gone.
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Got mine on ebay
Stubhub has a lot of listings too. I have also had a lot of success in year’s past just walking around and scalping.
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Book it...
Just bought them…coming up from texas for this one…section 3 hope thats near some boilermaker fans…
we're in section 10
Row 21
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Enjoyed the open thread today
My first open thread football experience was hilarious. Keep up the good work everyone. I feel like the game was never the same after that bullshit PI call on Purdue to end the first half. I don’t want to be blame the official guy, but Purdue isn’t good enough to overcome that garbage.
by SmallMarketBigPlays on Nov 19, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions
That was a horsecrap call
Our defender was playing the ball and got shoved.
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Seemed to me like the refs took a day off.
And also, anyone see a good replay of Marv’es fumble? the two views the board showed weren’t conclusive from my vantage point.
Right call on the Marve fumble
He definitely lost control of the ball before he had hit the pylon or been downed.
The McNutt fumble however was another terrible call. It was unclear whether he actually has control of the football when his knee touches. Should have stayed with the call on the field.
Any idea on the crazy fake-fake punt?
Terrible Idea? Terrible Execution? Both? What the hell was going on with that play?
Here's my take
I think he was going to rugby punt it, but saw the side looked open and thought about running it for a step or two. when the hole closed he panicked and tried to punt it too late.
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I bet they had seen something on film
Maybe Iowa had been too quick to drop back in return protection. You just hope your senior kicker has more situational awareness than to attempt that so close to your own endzone.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Vikings ran the same play last week.
It’s a run/punt option. If he sees that he can make it, he’s supposed to run. Otherwise, punt it. Wiggs chose to punt much too late.
by Ray Williams? on Nov 19, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
it was 4th and 16 tho
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Nov 20, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying it was a good idea, just pointing out what that was supposed to be.
by Ray Williams? on Nov 21, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
PREACH!
PREACH, PREACH TO THE CHOIR MY FRIEND. I still Hope, pun might be intended, that Hope is gone by the end of the year, no matter if we win or lose. Yes he has brought in some good talent, but as stated doesn’t have good coaching skills. Purdue I think needs to try and get on the map and try and make a run at a PROVEN coach. A coach who has shown he can recruit well and not call a timeout after the defense had the momentum going in the first quarter and were probably about to stop Iowa from scoring that second TD in the first.
by soccercrusader9 on Nov 19, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions
We needed that TO!
Had to get everyone on the same page on how to blow a critical play.
that TO was also ridiciulous
I think he was wanting them to try a field goal (albeit a short one) into the wind if we got a stop. Instead, it lead to a TD and a botched kickoff.
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U have hope for hopless…I’m gonna put money on this next game, they won’t cover the spread another rice-irony. Guess we can look forward to the motor city game…improvement from previous years? I guess that is what u call it. Sorry being negative but let’s be realistic, we suck.
by aafm187 on Nov 19, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I got sucked in last week
By far a better use of my 4 hours than Hope’s evil schenanigans
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
The roll of the dice
My dad, brother and I believe that Danny has some dice on the sidelines and makes a lot of his decision based on the roll of the die…ok first and ten roll ok were gonna punt it away.
by soccercrusader9 on Nov 19, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions
I think this whole staff lacks confidence
Thats why we see 2 QBs, crazy trick plays that blow up, timeouts at the wrong time – they’re so afraid of making a mistake that they end up making tons of them. They completely overthink everything.
Marve's Fumble
Was that a legit call? I was listening to the game on the radio, and none of the guys mentioned a fumble ever being a possibility. They were pretty convinced it was a TD, so I was surprised to hear it ruled a fumble.
If the ball is fumbled into the pylon its a Touchback
If it hits the pylon then fumbled its a TD. I swear i heard the ref say the pylon caused the fumble, but if it hits the pylon simultaneous to a fumble its a dead ball and a TD.
It was loose before it touched the pylon
One of the dangers of reaching out on the edge like that. I reached for the corner like that one time in HS and my coach chewed me out. After that, I squared my shoulders and ran through the goal line, not away from it.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Here's my opinion for whatever its worth
While I didn’t like the call at the end of the game, I can somewhat understand why it was made. I think the officials made the call because they were following the absolute letter of the pylon rule. Did Marve fumble the ball? Yes. Did that ball eventually hit the pylon? Yes. However, the actual pylon had been significantly moved from its original position by the time the ball made contact with the pylon. Marve’s hand actually pushed the pylon toward the sideline. When the ball hit the pylon, the pylon was angled toward the left sideline away from the end zone. As far as I can tell, the NCAA rulebook doesn’t have any clauses that rule out the significance of the pylon if it has been moved. In my admittedly biased opinion (since I’m a Purdue fan), I think the refs should have made a judgment call to overlook the ball-pylon contact since the pylon had clearly been moved from its original position. Since there was no indisputable video evidence to show that the fumbled ball crossed the plane of the endzone and exited the endzone out of bounds, the correct call would have been to declare Marve out-of-bounds just before the goal line.
by BoilerEngineer24 on Nov 19, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
If his hand hit the pylon before its fumbled he is out of bounds
Purdue ball wherever the ball was in his hand.
Looks like he was touching the pylon and the ball after the fumble at the same time.
BUT the ball went outside the pylon original position. Purdue ball at the goal line. Bullshit review team seeing what they wannt to see.
Exactly. That is a horrible, horrible call.
by SpartanBoiler on Nov 19, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Looks like you and I are seeing it the same way. They just cherry picked out the fact that the ball hit the pylon and made call based just on that without taking into account the fact that the pylon had moved.
by BoilerEngineer24 on Nov 19, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I notice this thing with Mavre...
is that his drives tend to end in spectacular fashion, one way or another. Terbush, he’ll give you one good drive to start the game (except the ND game), an then come up with a bunch of 3-and-outs the rest of the game (and the the 3rd Qtr when he plays). Mavre, so many times he ends his series either with an INT (tip balls, also one at PSU that deny us a FG, or the dumb ones against OSU), or it is sth great (TDs). With him, you have to take both the good and the bad. I still think he is overall more good than bad. He is the football version of GDB (or I guess in his case, GDM).
Surprised
They didn’t replay that one punt when the ball went between the Iowa returners legs. I mean it just seemed at times the refs weren’t for Purdue, but it might have just been they were for neither cause I felt there were too many blown calls. Holding, block in the back, defensive pass interference.
by soccercrusader9 on Nov 19, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions
This is very depressing.
Ee
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Meant to say
The whole program is depressing. Attendance is depressing. Losing is depressing.
I was here during Akers and Colletto and let me tell you that was bad. This is beginning to be very sad for me. I want our players to do well. I want our school to have a great program, to be competitive and to be respected. We lost our chance to salvage this year and go to a decent bowl game. Now we are stuck with the Bucket bowl and who knows what will happen there. F
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Nov 19, 2011 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
May not make it to bowl
As of right now, Purdue would be the last team to qualify for a bowl. Not sure if this true but they can only take nine(?) teams from the Big 10. Will see but Purdue would be number ten.
by soccercrusader9 on Nov 19, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions
If we win next Saturday and tOSU loses...
I would think we’d be picked ahead of them. We will have a better conference record AND we beat them.
Northwestern and Illinois
Northwestern has a small fanbase and Illinois could spiral to 6-6 from 6-0 and finish as cold as possible
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Have you seen Ross-Ade?
You think Purdue will bring more fans than Northwestern?
by Boiler_Ditsor on Nov 20, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen Ryan field?
Even in years when Northwestern is good I have never seen their fairly small stadium filled. I would be willing to bet even with the poor fan turnout for Purdue lately we would bring more fans than they would.
by cubbies4life321 on Nov 20, 2011 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ross-Ade yesterday would have filled Ryan Field...
sad as that may be…
I was very disappointed in our crowd yesterday. Even the people that did show up didn’t seem to be in the game at all. Not a lot of noise from our fans on a game of this importance is a sad state of affairs!
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 20, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Crowd Intensity yesterday = player's intensity on the field
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 20, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I would disagree...
The fans were flat from the get go. It was EMPTY in there at kickoff… really sad!
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 21, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think there were more Iowa fans there
than Purdue fans (if you don’t count the student section)
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 21, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the fans responsibility to get the team up for the game.
And when you are fucking awful half the time and poorly coached and infuriating all the time, the fans don’t waste money on tickets. Put a compelling product on the field and you’ll sell out. Don’t, and you won’t.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Nov 21, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
While wins and losses make a difference
When it comes down to a close record bowls will always take the team with more fans. That means more green in their pockets. Also just because the Big Ten only has 9 bowl tie ins doesn’t mean only 9 can go bowling. If certain conferences don’t have enough qualifying teams to meet all of their tie ins the bowl is free to pick up whatever 6 or more win team they want.
by cubbies4life321 on Nov 19, 2011 8:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
can't see a bowl
picking us over Ohio State. They have too much tradition and fans.
No
It isn’t about records. The losing team in the Big Ten Championship game isn’t guaranteed to go to the second best bowl. It is all about attendance and name brand recognition, which we both lose mightily to O$U.
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Clemson all losing
helps our chances though. Before this weekend, I would have thought that both the Big 12 and ACC had a good shot at getting two teams to BCS bowls but not after these losses. This then opens up the spot of a second Big Ten team getting into an at-large BCS bowl (probably Michigan, assuming they can beat tOSU), which in turn opens up an additional spot in Big Ten bowl games, thus increasing our chances of getting one (assuming we can beat IU, of course).
by blue_dragon on Nov 20, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
That chili was delicious
Going to try and cook it up myself over Thanksgiving break. Thanks again!
As for the game, I think we should be lucky that we only lost by 10, considering Iowa could have scored at least 2 more touchdowns if it weren’t for dropped passes and a fumble.
BTFU, HTFD
To me...
Hope needs to win against iU and win a bowl game. I told myself 7 wins would mean he’d “earned” something of another season (not that anyone is asking me). I can’t actually bring myself to root against Purdue to lose so we get a new coach, partially because I have no confidence that they’d hire anyone decent.
This game was just a really ugly game all around, with Purdue making more bone headed mistakes than the opponent. The lack of development by the offense is very frustrating — feel like I’m watching the same offense I did against Middle Tennessee, except sometimes Robert Marve comes in and either does something seriously great and impressive (scrambles around, throws a 15 yard strike on the move, scrambles for a first down, etc) or idiotic (heaves the ball into coverage for a pick, ignores open receivers to take a sack, etc). Very bizarre season. Future seems very cloudy.
Future seems very cloudy.
I’m interested because we very well could have Henry back starting next year and that opens up even more of the offense.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe a 4 QB system...
gotta work in our freshman… lol. Oh… and this brings up a question I have been having… What do we do with Sean Robinson? We will have TerBush, Henry, Robinson and Appleby next year, and Marve if he is granted his 6th year. What is the order of these QBs if this happens? I would say that Henry will come in as #1, Marve #2, TerBush #3, Robinson #4 and Appleby will redshirt (although I really am excited to see what he is capable of.) Would you see Robinson possibly moving to a WR/TE? I can also see Hope running a 2 QB system again next year w/ Henry and Marve… I hope not, but I wouldn’t be surprised… what are your thoughts?
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 20, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
You know
if we keep giving coach Hope another year, a decade will pass us bye………….. there has to be a stop gap, otherwise the law of averages will make him look okay, and we will accept that, and manage that expectation. History can repeat itself, but I don’t see a Rose Bowl anytime soon, but I do see the W-L record for Purdue.
Purdue has the ability to get the talent and DH won’t be a Billy Lynch and just suck the life out of the program, but he certainly can’t put the life back in us.
In regards to this article, Tmill you say that we can play “very, very good”, against who? We need to show that we can play very, very good against top oppoents, but our wins come against horrible opponents? The ILL and OSU teams we have beaten aren’t very good, and doesn’t take a huge effort by Purdue, with a lot of effort from those teams shooting themselves in the foot, for Purdue to leave the field with a Win.
I watched the post game of DH Q&A, he admits to knowing how to prepare for Iowa but I didn’t see that on the field. I think he answered every question with the same answer, just mixed around a little.
Long-term, you are right
But I am also a realist. I don’t see Burke getting rid of him regardless, and if we get to a bowl game, definitely not. Since we’re probably going to have him next year I have to get behind him and support the team.
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Said it in the open thread
Lobby for new coordinators. I think that’s the best change we can hope for. If we can surround Hope with some somewhat competent coordinators, I think we can avoid a good number of his mistakes. He leans pretty heavily on them in crunch time.
Lord, jager me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Nov 19, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah because that's worked so well for Ron Zook.
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Nov 19, 2011 8:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It almost did.
Really can’t explain the sudden drop off in the second half, though. The defense has been relatively solid yet an offense that was successful throughout the first six games and last year suddenly crapped the bed.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Illinois didn't get to play Indiana and Northwestern a second time.
That’s what happened to their offense.
by Ray Williams? on Nov 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agree I don't see Burke getting rid of Hope
But 6-6 this year is really not that good. We have the weakest non-conf schedule, and it is really a down year for B1G with neither O$U and PSU especially strong. We already don’t have to play Neb and MSU. So Hope really has to do a lot of stupid thing to NOT get us to a Bowl game. And here we are, one more game left and still not sure if we can sneak into a bowl game. I am hopeless on Hope, despite starting the year wanting him to succeed so badly b/c he genuinely looks like a nice guy to me, just not a competent football coach for us.
Hope does not have the ability to be consistent
He has never even won three games in a row!!!
GARY NORD IS HORRIBLE
and HE WAS FIRED FROM UTEP…He went 8-4 his first year….and then proceeded to go 6-30 until he was fired..I live in El Paso (PURDUE ARMY ROTC GRAD)…and everyone down here thinks he is a massive joke…after he got fired from UTEP for his horribleness he was then hired as the QB coach/OC at florida atlantic where they only had 2 winning seasons…so all in all nord has had 3 winning season since taking over at UTEP in 2000…Anyone see a pattern? this guy is a loser…and he brings programs down with him…
I miss Jim Cheney
My goodness, did I just say that?
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I think there is nothing wrong with that...
I think Hope can recruit really well…he just needs some one to tell him no Danny lets not call a time out here…we need to do X instead of Y
Coordinators then
I never liked Landholm and Nord has been pretty bad this year.
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Why do we never talk about Emanuel on here?
The defense has been consistently making the same mistakes all year, but the other Gary is never mentioned.
Probably because outside of Kerrigan, it’s been a while since Purdue has had any success on defense so everyone’s gotten used to it.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
He had a lot of talent over the years.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hope
The only ‘Hope’ that Purdue has is a new coach. Pay him whatever…..Danny is NOT a good enough recruiter nor a good enough coach to keep him on. Sure, he has a good class in numbers coming in….but many could still be retained with a good enough coach coming in. I’ve lost faith. The play calling is bad, the defense is bad against teams that can do more than one thing, and the special teams were awful today. Nothing is working, and things need to change.
That being said
What do we do rally with pitch forks out side of the IAF? Start a shadow government in Denver? Website petitions? Call MJB? Accost France during her dance circle in the north endzone before the fourth quarter?
That's the big question - what does this AD respond to?
If it’s money generated from games – he should already see the writing on the wall. You have to believe the cost of football games is somewhat fixed, so the revenue generated with this drop off in attendance must be significantly reduced from the good years
PainterGate was a situation of having a very successful coach (and cash cow for the dept.) possibly walk out the door because someone else made a great offer and he wanted to see the university take care of himself and his staff. IF Painter had left, it would’ve been a huge black eye to the department and fans would’ve had an absolute riot.
New Purdue Pete was just a horrible decision to try and force a change to one of the most recognizable symbols of the university without giving the larger fan community any input. The PR was terrible and the department wisely realized it wasn’t a battle worth fighting and relented.
Hope was a cheap and easy hire. How long can the dept protect him before they realize he’s costing them money, not saving it?
Brinksmanship
The fact that Painter came so close to leaving IS a huge black eye to the department. The fact that it became such a public spectacle (moved the naitonal needle during March Madness) is an epic fail for the department and Purdue’s PR skills.
The guy who impressed me most in that situation was Painter’s agent, who made sure the ‘out’ clause was included in the contract he signed a couple of years ago, timed to coincide with the graduation of the Baby Boilers. Shrewd.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Yeah
The Purdue athletic dept should hire smart guys like Painter’s agent.
Robert Marve seemed to energize the offense, but he was pulled after his second pick (the first wasn’t his fault). We got the benefit of a defensive touchdown
At the end of the day Marve didn’t lead the offense to any points whatsoever, though. He can make some plays TerBush can’t, but when they go to the passing attack TerBush seems a bit more consistent than Marve. Marve has a tendency to start moving it and then either get stone walled just out of field goal range or make turnover after turnover. Marve committed three turnovers today, TerBush has like six all season (might be seven, can’t remember if he’s lost a fumble at some point this season). I think people will see Marve make a few first downs or hit passes like that fourth down pass and be like ‘why isn’t he always in?’ but he’s simply not posting results.
Late in the fourth look how TerBush was able to move the ball. Regardless of the big play capability or the flashiness of Marve, for whatever reason he couldn’t do this. Not to mention with TerBush the offense has a tendency to stay out of the huddle and run on a faster tempo compared to Marve huddling up. For whatever reason the offense has done better with the up tempo.
Anyways, breaking down the QB drives:
TerBush:
- Touchdown drive
- 0 yards on 2 runs, forced to throw on 3rd and long
- Backed up inside the 10
- Touchdown drive
- Punt after starting backed up
Marve:
- Interception
- End of half
- Three and out (all incompletes)
- Marve drive got to just out of field goal range and stalled out on a Marve incomplete and sack/fumble
- Interception
- Lost fumble throughout the endzone
TerBush’s few moments were he couldn’t move the ball tended to be where he struggled throughout the season, which is when the team can’t gain any ground running the first two plays and is forced to throw on 3rd and Long. That and being backed up. At the very least he was able to go out and get some points, to be honest Marve essentially was one big striptease. For everything positive he does at times his game is still full of horrible turnovers and no actual results..
As for the Bolden comment, he made two nice runs and the rest of the day gained 29 yards on 12 carries. Majority of his runs were for 3 or less yards (8 of 14) on the day and three of the longer runs were for a combined 13 yards. He wasn’t all that effective when you look into it.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:00 PM EST reply actions
Ps.
Doing a quick glance over on Marve’s possessions since the Notre Dame game, he’s led the team to four touchdown drives on his 26 possessions he’s played over the eight games.
Three of those touchdown drives?
One versus Minnesota, one versus Michigan in gutter time and the Ohio State overtime drive (which was a 25 yard field)…
And in the limited time he’s matching TerBush in the number of turnovers, even though TerBush has played a lot more and thrown around three times the passes.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
What you miss though is that TerBush gets the benefit of starting these games
Marve has to come into a game mid-flow, try to get a flow and then ultimately have to do it all over again the 2nd half. As soon as Marve steps on the field, the team is more energized, more running lanes open, and we are instantly a more dynamic offense. Lets let him have the ability to start 10 games and see what his numbers are then
by dropnthrow7 on Nov 19, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
It does seem that we script our first offensive drive, almost like giving a speach and reading directly off of the transcript.
What kills me the most are all the "scripted" QB runs for Terbush....please stop.
by dropnthrow7 on Nov 19, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
+1,000,000
I hate those plays so much. They literally didn’t work one time today, and at least 90% of the time the whole season they have ended up getting 2 yards or less
So TerBush comes in with no momentum and scores.
Marve comes in after the offense has gotten rolling a bit and can’t do anything?
TerBush also has to come back in, how many times did Marve sub in the second quarter and TerBush came back in the third?
Don’t forget, Marve will start moving the ball when he comes in only to start making mistakes as well.
Also, if you’re going to try to let it slide for Marve because he comes in mid game…didn’t TerBush come right back in after Marve struggled and got a touchdown drive out of it?
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
Didn’t we have great field position on the TD drive that TerBush came in for? I think most people here just want to see what we can get out of Marve if he plays the entire game. You see who we ended the game with? I just want our most talented players out there. QB Runs, bubble screens and short dumps to the side is the most you can get out of TerBush. Marve can do those also…but also throw the ball downfield.
Mostert had a nice kick off return but TerBush still managed to hit 80% of his passes on the drive.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of people just want to see Marve get the chance to start a game
And see how he handles it. He’s usually subbed in when the offense is stalled or we’re already behind. I don’t see the big deal of the coaching staff letting him start at least one game and see how it goes, but they refused.
I wouldn’t be opposed to it but this year has been marked by him not finishing drives and making inexcusable turnovers at the worst of times. Mix that with him never really flowing well when even healthier last year and I don’t think he’s ever really deserved the starting spot this year. If he could not make as many bad plays or showed any signs of consistency, I’d be all for it
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
wow
You just have a thing against Marve I guess…..last year just before he got hurt against Toledo he was finally flowing and I thought myself “we haven’t had this since Kyle or Drew”…..then he got hurt. Now this year, Terbush has some signs of brilliance and then SHIT NOTHING. Marve is a wild card…..a guy who makes plays, you gotta take the bad with the good.
by dropnthrow7 on Nov 19, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
last year just before he got hurt against Toledo he was finally flowing and I thought myself "we haven’t had this since Kyle or Drew"
Um…
I’ll excuse the Notre Dame game, but his 0-2 TD-INT ratio and the 12 points scored wasn’t overly amazing. It’s Notre Dame so it is excusable, though. The Western Illinois (FCS) game was 10 points with less than four minutes left before a McBurse 40 yard TD run. Marve had 171 yards and one touchdown and one interception. The Ball State game was 14-6 in the fourth before a Rob Henry 75 or so yard TD pass. Toledo he got hurt after going 1-3 and a sack, but he didn’t play enough. He wasn’t moving the ball versus Notre Dame (I can deal with this), but couldn’t put up points versus Ball State and Western Illinois. That, mixed with the fact he keeps making bad mistakes and hasn’t closed out drives this year is why I don’t think he should start.
He has the potential to make big plays, he can’t consistently do it enough to produce results. This isn’t some new development or solely based on the ‘system,’ this happened last year and this was how his first season as a starter played out at Miami. He hasn’t exactly progressed much over the years, which you could try to pin on injuries but a lot of it is his decision making.
If you’ve noticed a lot of his best plays this season have been either when he runs the ball or runs around and buys time until coverage breaks down. That’s the same think Miller has done for OSU when he’s had success. Marve’s done even less this year when throwing solely from the pocket
TerBush isn’t perfect but his biggest issue is third and long. Which it’d be interesting to see if Bolden/Shavers were more consistent running. So many of their rushing yardage is top heavy and then they have a lot of runs for little to nothing, force third and longs. I’d take Marve if he could get all the pieces together but he hasn’t and hasn’t shown he can all year.
His best moments came in overtime versus Ohio State, were he was great. Then again, if he doesn’t force a throw we’d likely have won in regulation. I’m happy he redeemed himself there, though.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
10 point difference*
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Fair, but
he can’t consistently do it enough to produce results
One can also make a fair case that a QB can’t be consistent if he wasn’t played consistently or put in situations where he has a better chance to succeed (e.g. Terbush against backup defenders, or Terbush on a “scripted” opening drive)
So I am not saying you are entirely wrong. But because you are taking such an extreme position, people tend to react with the other end of the extreme. In reality, Mavre is big-risk, big-reward, while Terbush is the small risk, small-reward. It comes down to that for most of us, we prefer the former than the latter.
TerBush is producing as well outside of those ‘backup’ or opening drive situations, though. You have everything from the fourth down scoring drive down late versus MTSU, won’t touch the SEMO game for the obvious reason, Minnesota scoring drives in the…second half, couple second half drives in the Penn State game and so on.
The thing with why Marve doesn’t get more play time is really his own fault, to be honest. If you’ve noticed, the coaching staff has repeatedly kept with sticking in Marve over and over even when he hasn’t been producing much in the result category. It’s basically the coaching staff screaming ‘hey we want to go with Marve’ except Marve hasn’t done anything and they can’t justify starting him over TerBush.
Look at what Marve has done in most of the games he’s came in (excluding SEMO/Minnesota):
Notre Dame:
Punt, field goal, long missed field goal (both those FG set up by Marve going 0-4 from a 2nd and 4 and a 2nd and 7 on the two drives), punt, punt. Then pulled for TerBush
Penn State:
Field goal (all Bolden) and the horrible interception. Pulled.
Michigan:
Interception, Punt. Pulled. Came back in: punt, gutter time touchdown
Wisconsin:
Punt, TD, Punt
Ohio State:
TD, Punt. Pulled. Came back in: FG (0-1), Punt, INT, then the OT touchdown
Iowa:
INT, Punt, Punt, INT, pulled. Came back in: fumble
The Ohio State game was nice (and he saved face on that interception), but a lot of the reason he hasn’t played more is because he’ll come in and end up making a badly timed interception which is usually based around a bad decision for where he tries to throw the ball / miss throwing the pass. If it weren’t for things like that I’d think the coaching staff would go with him but he hasn’t been able to capitalize even though he’s had opportunities in every single game since Notre Dame besides Illinois to do so
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
fourth down MTSU should be fourth quarter, btw
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
And the Iowa game is pretty telling:
TerBush 5 Drives:
Touchdown
Punt
Punt (ball inside 10)
Touchdown
Punt
Marves 6 Drives:
INT
End of Half
Punt
Punt
INT
Fumble
Also, the team went with Marve for about as long as they could. He was ineffective and the game was getting out of hand so they had to pull him
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bias
I find it interesting that you would emphasize that one of the CTB’s punt is with ball inside 10, while you didn’t care to mention the fumble of Mavre was almost a TD (in fact the original ruling was a TD), and that it is questionable whether the first INT is entirely his fault.
(Look, sometimes you just have to throw hard and expect the receiver to make the catch. Throw it soft and the defense would have gotten to the receiver. I am not saying Mavre is entirely blameless, but if you are gonna give excuses for CTB’s punt, there is plenty more reasonable to excuse Mavre for his first INT)
About Marve....
The first INT was a tipped pass, the sack/fumble was Bolden’s fault, and the lost fumble in the endzone that resulted in the touchback is a call that I don’t agree with (and many people probably agree also).
This is what I can’t stand about stats, Marve played a nice game. If Robert Marve threw 5INTS in one game, and ALL of them were tipped passes or perhaps a hail mary pass to the endzone…..critics would point out, how horrible he was because he threw 5 picks. Not to mention that he almost got drilled on the 2nd pick he threw in today’s game.
If TerBush threw the ball downfield, don’t you think he would have his fair share of interceptions also? When were down to what…..4th and 13? We had to insert Marve in the game, because TerBush is unlikely to make a successful conversion. If Marve can do that, my question is, why isn’t he playing the entire game. How do we know, Marve can’t lead us to a game opening TD drive. If he was asked to execute the same bubble screens that TerBush does, wouldn’t he have the same success? But, no the coaching staff likes to set up him for failure….for example bringing him in the game for the 4th and 13 play. Asking him to throw downfield, while he can’t get a consistent rhythm going. You’re only looking into the stats and not the play that is going on in the field.
Marve forces plays and tries to make things happen when they’re not there though. Look no further than the end of the half versus Penn State and the end of regulation versus Ohio State. The fumble at the end of the game, while questionable, could have been avoided if he maintained possession of the ball. If he doesn’t get in we literally need maybe a foot, we should have been able to get it (we did last week).
Don’t forget the horrible overthrown ball for his second pick, his drive that died off before that sack (just out of field goal range) and how this is repeatedly the norm for him. I happened to miss the first interception, so I can’t directly comment on it, but I remember the Michigan tip interception. You could defend him and blame it on Siller, which could be true to an extent, but that play was a bullet on a quick screen off shoulder, which was a horrible place to put the ball and doesn’t get picked if it’s on the line.
Also, below post is relatively true. Marve’s best plays have tended to come when he runs around to buy time and the play breaks down coverage wise. He hasn’t made many, if any, big plays by making a read and hitting a man. It’s all Marve scrambling and either running or hoping coverage falls apart after he kills some time with his legs…kind of like how Braxton Miller has found any success passing to be honest.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.....
You just pointed out what some of us are saying. Marve is brought in the game and is set up for failure. We bring him in the Penn State game to try and get a score before the half is over. He has no choice to force plays and make things happen when that are the situations they bring him in for!
Marve actually came in the previous possession and Bolden rattled off 48 yards on back to back to back plays and they got a field goal. Marve stayed in the next drive so he wasn’t being forced to try to make a play late in that half…they ended up running a few times and passed it on a 3rd and 6. You have to make either a safe pass there or ditch it, he forced the ball and it got picked.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
It could also be argued if he doesn’t make that huge mistake they would have kept with him instead of putting TerBush back in.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 19, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like Terbush
Just literally follows the script straight into the ground, and refuses to take any risks (such as when he pulls the ball down and takes a sack at the slightest pressure) Marve at least tries to make something awesome happen, and frankly I would rather have him in charge of the offense than Gary Effing Nord.
Terbush vs. Mavre
With the except of the ND game, Terbush usually does well on the first series. He also does well in the 4th qtr against backups when our team got blown out, so his numbers got padded.
Mavre never seems to be given much chance of success. He usually comes in and do hand-offs. Sure, he has some dumb plays (e.g. the INT against OSU), but two of his INTs that I can recall are tip balls and not really his fault, and the pylon fumble yesterday was unfortunate but he was running for his dear life and really give us a chance to score (it could easily have gone the other way and then Mavre would have been the hero). Bottom line is, Mavre is bigger risk, bigger reward. When we play as favorites, yes, you want to go with the steady hand b/c you are expected to win. But when we play as underdogs (which for most of the season we are after Mavre came back from injury), we need the spark that Mavre brings to give us a chance for an upset.
You are punishing a guy who takes risk to give us a chance to win while preferring a guy who plays it safe and keep us in mediocrity. Again, Mavre did have some poor decisions, but he undoubtedly has the stronger arm, and has a higher ceiling between the two.
That one tip was also on Marve. You don’t throw a bullet on a quick screen off shoulder, if he hits his guy where he’s supposed to it’s a catch or drop. As is it’s off center and got tipped to a defender, blame should be put on him and Siller.
But the thing with Marve is he’s yet to show anything on the potential. Like I’ve mentioned beforehand, he was a big recruit coming into Miami and coming to Purdue was seen as a former big recruit (we don’t get many of them here) that had a lot of hype. He wasn’t exactly successful as the starter in Miami and was benched for Jacory Harris (yes, that Jacory Harris). Last year he wasn’t exactly blowing people away.
My point is I think if you have the exact same skill set for Marve, but he was a lightly recruited player that came here minus the hype, you’d get a whole lot less of a push for him. It’s just everyone was told ‘this is the guy, he’s going to be great’ before he even had a chance to prove so (and after his debacle with Miami).
In his time here it’s been the same old over and over: Make a nice play, make a bad play. Get a drive going and see it fizz out around midfield. And then the bad decisions. Don’t forget his best plays have came repeatedly when he’s forced to either run or buys his time scrambling around, which is definitely a nice weapon, but if you forget about those plays…how many big time plays has Marve made when throwing inside the pocket?
If this somehow got missed, I’d have no problem if Marve started and he was relevant to the offense. If he played consistently and was producing, go with him. The thing is he hasn’t. I also think his ceiling’s pretty much collapsing considering the staff gave him all the opportunities to succeed in the Iowa game and he couldn’t get it down. I’m not getting any hopes up for him getting a sixth year (hence the lack of an upside from here on out imo) considering we got shafted in a similar situation this past off season with Keith Smith getting hosed.
He usually comes in and do hand-offs
Marve’s been passing the ball just as much as TerBush, if not more than usual (especially after you look into the ‘runs’ that were originally passing plays) throughout the Big 10 season. If you’re referring to games like SEMO/Minnesota where he mainly ran the ball, that should be expected since the team was blowing out each opponent and each time the running game was dialed in.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Urrr, how is Mavre passing the ball "as much" as Terbush?
Marve’s been passing the ball just as much as TerBush … throughout the Big 10 season
OK, ignoring the Minnesota game (which even if I agree your reasoning that the we just want to run to kill time, you have to admit that Mavre was never given a chance to pass), here are the B1G games comparison. The numbers are pass completed, attempted, and yards. The first line is Terbush and second is Mavre. If you sum up the pass attempts, that’s 81 for CTB and 23 for Mavre – NOT EVEN fricking close!
Even if I accept your argument that Mavre is not as good as CTB, is he so bad that CTB deserves 3.5x more pass attempts than Mavre?
OSU:
15/24, 140 yds
10/13, 94 yds
Wisky:
10/19, 103 yds
5/10, 61 yds
Mich:
9/13, 156 yds
8/14, 66 yds
Ill:
16/25, 178 yds
0/0, 0 yds
Has Marve made a textbook ‘star’ play within the pocket? I have noticed that his big plays recently have come from scrambles, which entail some luck but also take time to develop so the defense plays slack on open receivers, giving Marve enough time to toss a pass? I noticed some of CTB’s great plays were like that.
I doubt our playbook contains a 100% designed QB run, but if it does, it never looks like what other teams use.
There was this one QB 10 years ago...
whose best plays always came from outside the pocket. I think he wore #15.
BTFU!
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I tried to find you guys...
I could not… :[ Maybe next time…
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 20, 2011 12:51 AM EST reply actions
Marve vs TerBush
Marve gives you the big play and the big mistake. TerBush is deliberate and conservative, avoiding both the killer mistake and the big play. Both have talents and liabilities. Neither is cradle worthy.
I continue to say that the best argument Hope can make for his 2QB system is that it keeps the focus off of his many other glaring problems. People love to fight over a quarterback controversy – leaving little time and energy to discuss anything else.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Well said...
Instead of arguing “who’s better”, it might be easier for this board to admit that they both suck.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 20, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
The thing with Marve is...
he’s ‘big play big mistake’ but alls he’s done is big mistakes.
He’s down two things of relevance for Purdue this year and last year:
- Ohio State game in overtime (set up by his INT)
- Iowa 4th down, followed by a fumble
I really wish Henry wouldn’t of gotten hurt…
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's a moot point
Everyone wishes Henry wouldn’t have gotten hurt
WORST Possible Scenario
Indiana is TERRIBLE. Purdue is unpredictable. As rotten as Indiana is, they would delight in keeping Purdue from a bowl. This couldn’t be a worse situation to be in, yet Hope and Co. continue to take the most difficult road.
If Purdue doesn’t win, Hope shouldn’t be allowed back in Tippecanoe County. Simple as that. There’s waaaaaay too much talent on this team to have to wait til the last game of the season to become bowl eligible. It’s an insult to the kids who work so hard day in and day out but are forced to look to Danny Hope for leadership.
by U-P Boilermaker on Nov 20, 2011 8:32 AM EST reply actions
On behalf of all the road-trippin' BHGPers
I want to extend our sincerest “thank you’s” to you and your wife for your more-than-generous hospitality. We packed your Jeep to the brim, ate your chili and forced you to deal with our drunken behavior and you were never less than warm and welcoming. What you pretty much showed is what I’ve been telling every one of my Iowa compatriots after my previous two visits; Purdue has what I consider to be the nicest home fans in the B1G. Thanks again, Travis.
Also, we still hate you.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
ditto
Thanks for being great hosts! Had a great time!
You can't spell "DERP" without Purdue!
by tiggerhawk on Nov 20, 2011 8:41 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If we had a stud defense..
I wouldn’t mind TerBush playing the whole game honestly. He could be like Alex Smith and we could be the 49ers. Play stout defense and have a QB that doesn’t lose the game. Yes, obviously there would be times where the defense just isn’t clicking and we’d have to score, which we may be screwed. But we don’t have a D like that. We need to score to win more often than not. I just think Marve looks and plays more like a QB. HE ACTUALLY IS CAPABLE OF THROWING THE BALL VERTICALLY!!!! OMFG….
Program Improvment Over A Season
On opening day, The Golden Gophers nearly left LA with a victory over Southern Cal. Last night, USC beats Oregon in Eugene.
In the same period, we have gone from nearly losing to MTSU at home to being handled by Iowa at home.
The Trojans have improved over the course of the year. Use them as a yardstick when you measure what Danny Hope has accomplished this year.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Agreed
USC is even on probation and really has nothing to play for yet they got way better as the season went on and would be playing in the Pac 12 championship if it weren’t for probation .
I guess coach Hope could consider saying we went from losing to Rice to beating Ohio State and consider that improvement. However, if our goal is to make our expectations so low where any win is considered improvement, then I don’t really think improvement is meaningful. It would be like a student going from 5% on the first test of the semester to 15% on the final exam. You’re still failing miserably regardless of whether or not you call it improvement. If Ohio State loses to Michigan, we won’t have any victories against a team that has a winning conference record in the Big Ten.
The problem with that comparison
You can’t completely knock a team for coming out flat in their first game because it happens all the time. Michigan lost to Appalachian State a few years back, they didn’t create some massive improvement over the year, they just played to their level.
USC has lost two games this season, one at Arizona State and then to a top 10 Stanford where they were hosed by officiating out of a game winning field goal attempt (and still only lost on a bad turnover in the 3rd OT). My point is USC has been good from the beginning of the season and is still good now. That Oregon game wasn’t out of nowhere, this team was capable of that from the get go.
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Fair Point
At least Appalacian State was a solid program that knew how to win, albiet at a lower level. This year’s Minny has been described as one of the worst B1G teams in the last decade.
I think we can agree that USC addressed their early problems and played at a level that met or exceeded their talent as the season wore on. Their coaching staff kept their kids stoked even though they knew from the first day of camp that probation would keep them from going anywhere. An impressive performance by that coaching staff if you ask me.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Good news for Purdue...
…Miami is withholding itself from a bowl game due to the whole scandal. This means the ACC will be one bowl short. If Purdue beats IU, the Big 10 will have 10 bowl eligible teams with only nine tie-ins. Hopefully Purdue can pick that one up (or Illinois or Northwestern pick it up and Purdue keeps one of the normal tie-ins.)
They better not choke vs. IU though.
To be honest Purdue would be more deserving of a bowl bid from a B1G tie-in over Northwestern. We can argue that Purdue doesn’t fill their stadium but their attendance would sell out games at NWs stadium.
Attendance speaks volumes:
MTSU: 42110
SEMO: 46116
Notre Dame: 61555
Minnesota 38207
Illinois 45126
Ohio State 43334
Iowa 40106
NW:
EIU: 28042
Michigan: 47730
Penn State: 40004
Rice: 26886
Minnesota 26215
Northwestern only shows up for big time opponents. Look no further than comparing our FCS game, MTSU and Minnesota to their FCS opponent, Rice and Minnesota. Considering this will be a lower tier bowl bid, very well could be to a MAC or even a mid level CUSA team, who knows
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately for your argument
bowls care far more about historical bowl attendance than home attendance; Purdue travels well but so does NU.
The hard thing for folks to wrap their heads around is that while most B1G alums stay in the state/region (and thus can make it back to home games), as a national school, Northwestern alums end up in large numbers on either coast and abroad after graduation. While the local populace of Evanston and surrounding environs could care less for Wildcat football, the grads have shown pretty strong support for NU’s postseason travels over the years. And goodness knows there are plenty of NU grads with the money to spend on travel even in this economy.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Nov 20, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
That's why we could just end up in the Little Cesar's Bowl
Might be a four hour drive from the campus.
And it’s an hour from where I live so I’d actually be able to go to a game
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by Bryan Steedman on Nov 20, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
The one thing really working for Purdue in this scenario
is that you’ve traditionally traveled well to Texas and the Illini are in a nose dive. If either Texas game has to chose between the Illini, the Wildcats and the Boilers, it’ll be the Fighting Zookers that end up in Detroit.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Nov 21, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Fire Hope
In all scenarios. No matter what. He’s failed. He’s a poor recruiter. He’s a terrible in-game coach. He’s got nothing for intangibles. He runs the program like it’s second-class. Bring in somebody who can take us to the next level. I want a BCS-bowl caliber program within five years and I don’t think it’s too much to ask that we strive for that.
This.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
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