A Cure For the Monday's: Purdue vs. The High Point Panthers
by Purdue_Pete on Nov 14, 2011 7:19 AM EST
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PrintMackey Arena's historic re-dedication game against NIU gave Purdue fans plenty of reasons to be amped for the 2011-2012 season. It is, however, just a single point in a much larger data set. Until we see how this team responds to a variety of situations and challenges it's will be difficult to understand the true personality of this year's team.
But as first impressions go, this year's team couldn't have had much better introduction.
Purdue hopes to have similar success tonight against High Point University. The Panthers are coming fresh off of a 95-52 win against (DIII) Bridgewater. Unlike the young NIU team Purdue faced Friday night, the Panthers have an experienced core of upperclassmen and return three of their top scorers and leading rebounder from last year.
2010-11 Record: 12-19, 7-11 Big South
TV: Big Ten Network (Play-by-Play: Eric Collins Color: Keno Davis)
All-Time Record Against Big Ten Teams: 0-3
While HPU will largely be overmatched from a talent perspective, their experience alone should serve as a step up in competition compared to NIU and their roster stalked full of freshmen.
HPU senior Nick Barbour, the Big South's top returning scorer, has led the Panthers in scoring the past three seasons and averaged a team-high 18 ppg last year. Senior Shay Shine averaged 14.3 points per game last year to go along with 4.2 rebounds and 2.7 assists. Redshirt-junior Corey Law led the Panthers with his 7.6 rebound average and ranked third on the team with 8.9 ppg in his 21 games.
High Point University's collective experience should offer Purdue a much stronger defensive challenge and a much better assessment of where Purdue will stand against tougher competition. They know how to score and have a very established offense.
Projected Starters:
The Boilermakers (1-0)
G - Lewis Jackson - 5'9"
G - Ryne Smith - 6'3"
F - Kelsey Barlow - 6'5"
F - Robbie Hummel - 6'8"
F - Travis Carroll - 6'9"
The Panthers
G - Jairus Simms - 6'1"
G - Nick Barbour - 6'3"
G - Shay Shine - 6'2"
F - Corey Law - 6'6"
F -Travis Elliot - 6'8"
Here are a few questions that we will be looking to answer Monday night and as the season progresses:
- Will there be a significant defensive drop-off following the departure of EM and JJ?
- Will Donnie Hale be asked (and subsequently agree) to redshirt?
- Will Sandi Marcius and Travis Carroll out-rebound the back court...ever?
- Can Kelsey Barlow be the #2 scorer? If not, then who will?
- Is Jacob "The Law" Lawson (nickname pending) capable of contributing on a nightly basis?
- Will Anthony Johnson compete for a starting position?
- Is DJ Byrd the new Chris Kramer?
- Will Robbie Hummel lead the Big Ten in points this season?
They might be all over the place, but they are just a handful of the many unanswered questions that I am interested in answering before the Big Ten season. Each game will give us a clearer picture of who this team really is. At the very least, Monday's night game will indicate if Purdue's uncharacteristic 62 point win over NIU was a fluke. If not, we might have an offense that's much more potent that anyone expected.
Oh, and enjoy the rare Monday night game. It will be the last Monday night basketball game of the season (Big Ten Tournament and NCAA Tournament not withstanding.)
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Anyone know if there will be a stream of the game on the web anywhere?
or are us on the west coast destined to watch crappy avitars play “basketball” on game tracker?
I am looking for consistancy in this game with the last. Will be nice to see how our defense holds up to some higher scorers. How about Jacob “The Sherriff” Lawson or Jacob “The Deputy” Lawson… or wont people get it…
Yeah I know of one way you can watch it:
If you have a satellite cable TV account (Bright House, Charter, Cox, Direct TV, Dish, The Warner Cable) you can stream it online for free @ http://www.btn2go.com/btn2go/
I go to school at Auburn, so that’s how I watch BTN games.
...a Boilermaker fan in the SEC.
Jacob "The Objector" Lawson?
Burninating the peasants...
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Nov 14, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
He is just "The Law"
When he makes a block… Motion DENIED!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 14, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Jacob's Ladder...
let’s get Biblical, Biblical
I wanna get Biblical
Let me hear your body talk, body talk
by ZoKnowsDefense on Nov 14, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Big Ten Tournament is Thursday-Sunday
so the only chance of playing another Monday night game is the National Championship game. I can live with that.
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beat me to it
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Nov 14, 2011 8:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
me too
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Nov 14, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Answers
- Will there be a significant defensive drop-off following the departure of EM and JJ?
- Will Donnie Hale be asked (and subsequently agree) to redshirt?
- Will Sandi Marcius and Travis Carroll out-rebound the back court…ever?
- Can Kelsey Barlow be the #2 scorer? If not, then who will? He can but AJ will be with TJ right there (I think the scoring breakdown by the team in the first game will be about the same for the season)
- Is Jacob “The Law” Lawson (nickname pending) capable of contributing on a nightly basis? Yes, he has the body and the energy (skills too). How many of Corey Law’s shots will The Law block? 2
- Will Anthony Johnson compete for a starting position? Compete yes, but will be THE sixth man. Ryno plays too hard to give up his spot.
- Is DJ Byrd the new Chris Kramer? No but he is great as DJ Byrd. Maybe the next Todd Foster
- Will Robbie Hummel lead the Big Ten in points this season? No but very close. Someone more selfish like Tim Hardaway Jr. that doesn’t have as much talent around him (btw, how is Michigan ranked)
My Answers
- Will there be a significant defensive drop-off following the departure of EM and JJ? (Drop-off, yes; significant, not quite. I have confidence in our perimeter defense now that we put Barlow to defend the other team’s best player, the only thing hard to replace is JJ’s interior help defense. Lawson just not gonna see the floor enough to host a block party)
- Will Donnie Hale be asked (and subsequently agree) to redshirt? (He is asked already. And whether he agrees to is a moot point. Even if he disagrees, Painter can just not play him anyway. After all, there really isn’t that much minutes to go around in a “real” game if Robbie plays 35 mpg)
- Will Sandi Marcius and Travis Carroll out-rebound the back court…ever? (Yes, at some point they just have to. A monkey can “write” a poem through punching the keystrokes on a typewriter, if given infinite amount of time)
- Can Kelsey Barlow be the #2 scorer? If not, then who will? He can but AJ will be with TJ right there (No, I think that will be TJ. Barlow’s production will drop off when he has to spend more time guarding “real” players. AJ can challenge the #2 scorer spot but he won’t play enough minutes)
- Is Jacob "The Law" Lawson (nickname pending) capable of contributing on a nightly basis? (No. Frosh are just never consistent enough, esp. how raw he is. If he is to be expected to contribute on a nightly basis, then redshirting Hale would have been a no-brainer)
- Will Anthony Johnson compete for a starting position? (Compete, yes; take over, no. Even though he is more athletic and arguably a “better” player, Ryno just plays with too much heart and hustles more on defense and we all know Painter LOVES defense)
- Is DJ Byrd the new Chris Kramer? (No, you really need an out-of-worldly D to be CK3 … GDB has the potential to be there, although he’s not white)
- Will Robbie Hummel lead the Big Ten in points this season? (No, I think Sullinger is a safer bet. OSU tends to play at a faster pace, and OSU has a lot more options that the defense cannot key on Sullinger)
Lawson
if the Law focuses on his role, rebounding, hustle, intimidation, and playing smart, I see no reason why he can’t be a factor every time out.
I thought he brought a nice level of energy and size to the floor soemthing not seen out of the 4 spot in quite a long time.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Nov 14, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I wish you are right
But I’m more pessimistic. No doubt about Lawson’s athletic ability, but your last point of “playing smart” is extremely important. Freshmen are prone to make silly mistakes, and the thing I see with Lawson (and Hale, or even Marcius) is that they’ll pick up silly fouls. Then they have to sit and they cannot be aggressive even when they play.
Well....
Given that Lawson is likely to play between 10-15 minutes a game I’m not sure how much fouls becomes an issue for him. Now, if he’s playing over 20 minutes a game I don’t care because then he’s obviously doing something right (or the bigs are just plain worse….)
by ZoKnowsDefense on Nov 14, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Oh they come very fast
Frosh easily picks up 2 cheap fouls within a span of 30 seconds. Even if we aren’t worried that he’ll foul out, he’ll be tentative and timid the rest of the way. Remember, it isn’t just about a player fouling out. When you gave out silly fouls, it puts the other team in the bonus, and coaches can’t play you if you pick up silly fouls quickly.
But then, it is all my speculation based on my observation with frosh. Maybe Lawson is an exception, and I’d be happier if you are right.
Maybe....
you’ve got Bade on the brain….;-)
you are right though about the effect of picking up quick fouls. it tends to have a snowball effect.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Nov 14, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
post fail
damn it’s too early.
- Will there be a significant defensive drop-off following the departure of EM and JJ? NO. We have some very quality defenders on this squad and I think Chooch and The Law will be decent down low.
- Will Donnie Hale be asked (and subsequently agree) to redshirt? Yes, I really wish not.
- Will Sandi Marcius and Travis Carroll out-rebound the back court…ever? No and I’m going to attribute that to our guards being such good rebounders.
cleveland st is a pretty damn good team, vastly underrated in my opinion. and i was pretty surprised folks had vandy so high
http://therailroadtie.com/
Boiler up!
by therailroadtie on Nov 14, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Jacob
I fought the Law and the Law-son
terrible, I know.
I’m more worried about the scoring and rebounding than defense.
Lawson nicknames
Jacob “The Executive” Lawson – You know…like executive branch.
Jacob “The Judge” Lawson – You know…like the judicial branch.
Jacob “The Legislator” Lawson – You know…like the legislative branch.
Ever grateful, ever true.
I prefer The Law
Much easier to say, “He lays down The Law” on a huge swat into the captain’s chairs
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by BoilerTMill on Nov 14, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
x2
For a nickname, the best ones tend to be short and simple.
Or, maybe...
When he is introduced they play a clip from Judge Dredd of Sly saying “I am the law!”
No checks and balances required
Hopefully, Jacob will become Judge, Jury and Executioner.
“The Law West of the Pecos Wabash”
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Will Robbie Hummel lead the Big Ten in points this season?
I hope not, as that will probably mean we are relying on him too much to score. I am tired of having teams where the opponent can just shut down 1 player and half our scoring it gone when no one else can pick up the slack.
Or we could just average 88 ppg...
That would be okay, too, if Robbie averages 25 per game.
by Caleb Benner on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
we're averaging 96 now and giving up only 34
I like our chances if we keep that pace up.
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by BoilerTMill on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hummel will score when needed
John Shurna (you know, with the shot that starts below his waist) will lead the Big Ten in scoring.
Hummel will score more points than ever, but only when we need him to, so his average won’t be in the 20’s. Not in his nature to force shots.
I am a little confused about Lawson/Hale red-shirt situation, but trust that Painter will do the right thing for the team.
Mondays Reference
A nod to the Boomtown Rats?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7x-ldj4UKA
or the movie Office Space?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv5LUT1AFw
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
I vote Office Space.
Because I’m sure plenty of people have a case of the Mondays along with that strange coworker that says it weird.
I come from a land down unda
I don't think that's jumping to conclusions
Whether or not you thought the Conclusions Mat was the stupidest idea ever.
I also thought it was an Office Space reference.
by Beavis Beefcake on Nov 14, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
All of my references are either Seinfeld or Office Space
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"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
Why the rush to a Lawson nickname?
I don’t like nicknames that are too derivative of the last name. I forget which article it was on ESPN but I managed to agree with it despite it being by Bill Simmons (I think.) It mentioned the only really creative, cool nickname was Psycho T.
We could use some creative nicknames. However, it may take time to do this. After all, “Big Dog” took 2 years from the time Robinson arrived on campus. And it was a great, simple nickname. “Citizen Pain” took over a year.
I have a feeling Lawson will grow into a very good one as well. And I’d like our nicknames to be unique. We’ve got some good ones to start, but—I dunno.
Given that, I will contradict myself and suggest the “Sheriff of Swat” as an opening gambit. Perhaps one people can say “No way, this is way less dumber” to.
by Beavis Beefcake on Nov 14, 2011 12:53 PM EST reply actions
Suggestion on the Purdue Rivals site
The Ladder … since he can get up there.
Not bad.
by Beavis Beefcake on Nov 14, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Prediction
Purdue 72 High Point 45
Hummel 17 pts
Barlow 7 pts
Jackson 8 pts
Smith 9 pts
Caroll 6 pts
T. Johnson 6 pts
A. Johnson 6 pts
Byrd 6 pts
Lawson 2 pts
Marcius 5 pts
EV12
We are now
- in the coaches poll and #39 in the AP. How does Butler still get votes after dropping their first game to Evansville?
at any rate
we need to creep up there slowly… may not be possible if we are undefeated and beat Bama in PR
Somehow we went for 10 votes down to 5 votes in AP?
Was the 60 point win not large enough to keep at least 10 votes?!
Coz they were expecting us to get over 100 and beat the other team by 70
And apparently some of them still dunno Butler lost to Evansville. In any case, I don’t care much about the ranking this early. It matters only when the committee is seeding for the tournament. Right now, I like us being underrated, flying under the radar. It gives us a chip on the shoulder when we play the higher ranked/voted teams like Alabama or Xavier.
Polls
I thought these things only ranked the first 25 then listed “others receiving votes”.
Can you provide a link to the rankings you cite above?
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
I'd assume we are the 2nd-most receiving votes
In the coaches poll and the 14th best in the AP.
Here… count down with the best receiving votes at #26, etc.
by Beavis Beefcake on Nov 14, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Someone at Louisville tore their ACL and is out for the season.
Hopefully they recover.
by Jackson Brunner on Nov 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST reply actions
Motion Offense
Anyone else think the motion offense looks extremely good for one game into the season with so many “new” guys in the mix? One thing I was frustrated with last year was that the focus on JJ & Smooge seemed to stagnate the offense sometimes. Looking forward to see how it operates tonight.(and on into Puerto Rico with the higher caliber competition)
Don't expect this game
will tell us much either.
High Point ranked 288 by Ken Pom, only slightly higher than N. Illinois. I understand you pad you schedule with cupcakes, but why not more teams in the 100-200 range, rather than these teams that are aboslute bottom of the D1 barrel?
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