2011-12 Season Tipoff: The Northern Illinois Huskies
Tonight is a night of celebration. It is the official debut of the newly renovated Mackey Arena. The $100 million+ renovation was a much needed face lift to our beloved home of Boilermaker basketball. After all, we need to reinforce the roof for all the banners that coach Painter will be hanging throughout the tenure of his new contract.
Speaking of banners, there will be a new one tonight as JaJuan Johnson will have his new All-American banner hanging from the rafters. It is one of many new features that will be displayed tonight. Lost in all the celebration is that an actual, live basketball game will take place tonight against the Northern Illinois Huskies. I won't be in attendance. I have given my seats to my parents tonight since the official mom of Hammer & Rails has her birthday on Sunday and she is the one responsible for my addiction to sports (specifically basketball). While we're all expecting a Boiler victory, here is what the Huskies present:
Northern Illinois Huskies
2010-11 Record: 9-21, 5-11 MAC West
Blog Representation: Red and Black Attack
Series With Purdue: Purdue Leads 1-0
Last Meeting: Purdue won 112-85 on 12/7/1971
As you can see from the record, the Huskies were not a good team last season. Of their nine victories, one was over a non-Division I team. Their non-conference victories were over Maryland-Eastern Shore, Illinois-Chicago, and Utah Valley State. Two of their five conference victories were over an equally bad Eastern Michigan.
The Rockford Register Star had the following to say about the upcoming season:
The men's team features a new coach and nine new players. Neither the men's nor the women's team returns anyone who averaged 10 points last year. Or as many as seven rebounds. Women's coach Kathi Bennett, in her second year, is as close as the Huskies come to continuity for the 2011-12 basketball season.
But that's OK. The Huskies were overdue for a drastic basketball makeover. The men's team is coming off a school-record five consecutive 20-loss seasons and has had a losing record 13 of the last 15 years.
Moribund is how you could describe the Huskies and their recent history. They have not been to the NCAA Tournament since 1996 and have never won a game there in three visits. With nine newcomers it is difficult to get a grasp on who the top performers should be. Xavier Silas averaged 22.3 points per game and was the only double figures scorer last season, but he is gone. Tim Toler, a local player from Indianapolis, is the highest leading scorer. The 6'7" 275 pound forward from Avon High School shot nearly 46% from the field and almost 40% from three-point land.
Northern Illinois was not a good shooting team last year. They hit only 41% from the field in 2010-11, and worse than 70% from the line. They still managed to average 69 points per game, but they had 428 turnovers in 30 games.
It's hard to have a preview when there are nine new players on the roster. Still, it is an inexperienced team playing under a first year coach. They have to come in and play in what amounts to a marquee game as we debut the shine on our new digs. We should expect a comfortable win tonight.
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Urrr, I wholeheartedly disagree
…unless fun just means another exhibition-type game to blow out opponents so that our walk-ons can play double-digit minutes.
Look, for the last 4 yrs, our record is 107-33 and MSU 105-40. But yet, when it comes to who’s the better team, I’d bet the vast majority of the country would say MSU. This is the perception, sad but true. It’s like asking the general public whose QBs have more yards in the NFL: Purdue of ND? We know the real fact but we also know that a lot of folks would say ND. And this matters b/c perception is what the 5-star recruits (heck, actually it applies to pretty much all teenagers) based on when they decide which school to go to.
And part of that has to do with the fact that we are playing Northern Illinois and MSU is playing UNC in CA and then in three days they are playing Duke in NY. It’s crazy schedule and A LOT of travel, and they might get blown out badly, but that’s what generates buzz! That’s what caught the attention of basketball fans! That’s what excites recruits to come play on your team. If you want to be considered the best, you have to play the best (and win a fair amount).
And for crying out loud this is the Mackey dedication game. It’s supposed to be a BIG thing that we might not have another kind of game like this in our life time. We got a John Wooden-coached UCLA team last time, and now, what, a Northern Illinois that doesn’t even have a winning record?!!? Oh, I understand that teams aren’t willing to come to play us on our court even if we offered to go back next year. Hey, if that’s the case, sweeten the offer and at some point, some decent team will come and play! This is a perfect opportunity to generate some buzz and publicity to attract top recruits, and yet we blow it on Northern Illinois that would be nothing but just like an exhibition game.
The schedule this year is set, but there should be really no excuse for next year. Painter demanded and got top money and top resources. Now I demand top-level competition for our team. Especially with the Class of 2012 and 13, we should take on the mentality that we’ll play anyone anywhere. We need to get more national exposure or else people will still get the perception that MSU or OSU is the face of the B1G (no, it should be us, who has won the most games, the most B1G champion and has winning records against anyone – but does any casual fan know?). Until we do that, until we get away from the Northern Illinois to the likes of UNC and Duke we’ll still be forever viewed as the “other” school in Indiana (or worse, ppl don’t even know where we are).
When the next Dawson or next Harris chooses MSU over us...
that would be why. Play the little teams at our own long-term expense, and don’t blame others when we can’t land a 5* recruit who crave for national exposure to showcase his talent.
just like
it was sad two years ago when we had a hard time getting anyone to play us in the Wooden Tradition and we had to settle for Ball St.
Part of it is on the opponent though
many don’t want to play us because we’d be such a challenge. At least we have several solid NC games coming. Iona is a good mid-major. Temple in PR round two is on the verge of being ranked. Alabama or Wichita State in the final there will be solid. Then there is Xavier (ranked) and Butler.
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by BoilerTMill on Nov 11, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yes and no
I’m sure some teams are scared to come to Mackey to play us, but if MSU can get to play Duke and UNC there is no reason we can’t also play the likes of Kentucky and Kansas. Kentucky would be especially attractive b/c they are always a new team so when you play them early they may still be searching for an identity.
We can’t just always blame it on the opponent – we have to actively seek the challenge. Or even play them on a neutral site (NY, CA, wherever) if they don’t agree to do a two-year home-and-away series. I am sure if we are COMMITTED to play the best (b/c we want to be the best), we WILL be able to find the competition (now winning it is another thing).
Northern Illinois
is just plain weak for a rededication game opponent no matter how you slice it. I can see that perhaps the timing of being so early would keep quality teams from playing but really, Northern Illinois? You telling me they couldn’t find a way to get St. Johns in the building with Lavin/Keady? Somebody didn’t work hard enough at this…..
by ZoKnowsDefense on Nov 11, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Amen! Even get Zo's Tennessee!!!
Actually, Vanderbilt will be a good one. They have a strong team this year, and they are also a branch of the Keady’s tree.
Geez...
Does anything ever please you? It’s the home opener, if I remember correctly, it was scheduled fairly late and seemed difficult to find an opponent for this weekend. Get over it, we are going to play our share of cupcakes in the “pre-season”. Perhaps, when we have the post-season success of MSU, we will be able to schedule the non-con like they do. Seems we have been attempting to bring in bigger opponents as of late (WVU, X). Calm down and enjoy the start of a fresh bball season. I am excited for the return of basketball and can’t wait to see the new renos in person tonight!
I'm excited about bball too (finally!)
But #1, we are not gonna play WVU this year, and #2, I’m afraid you have the causality backward. You don’t become a national power (read: post-season success) by playing cupcakes. Fans here always say Purdue is “under-rated”, and the “experts” don’t give us enough respect to a higher pre-season ranking. Well, fine, then you schedule those “overrated” teams and beat them instead of cupcakes. And even if we have to play a cupcake for the DEDICATION game, can we at least play one that has a winning record and did not have 9 new players?
BTW, scheduled fair late is not an excuse
The athletic department should know waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay in advance that the first game of the 2011-12 season will be an important one and plan ahead. If you are throwing a big party you don’t wait till the last minute to get your featured guest, do you? As a fan, don’t you wanna see a big-name team come visiting too for a rededication game? Don’t you think the players will be excited to be in a game that has national coverage? Don’t you think some high school kids will start paying attention to Purdue and maybe dream of one day wearing black and gold? It’ll generate a lot more buzz than the so-called Hoosier Hysteria! Opportunity wasted.
It seems to me that they tried
Whenever they figured out that 2011 was going to be the season of the rededication they started looking for an opponent. The reason for the late addition wasn’t because they weren’t trying. Noone would play us that early in the season on our home court. I agree that it would be better if we could have gotten a better team for tonight, but we weren’t able to… so you move forward with what you have…
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 11, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Who peed in your coffee?
Be excited! It’s opening day!!! We will play plenty of good teams with this non-con part of the season.
by Caleb Benner on Nov 11, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly,
I’m excited for the new Mackey and this REDEDICATION game, and yet after reading TMill’s description of the opponent, it is just extremely underwhelming. It’s like you are invited to a $100M party and got super excited but only to find out the feature guest is not Lady Gaga or Justin Beiber or Beyonce but some obscure singer like, urrr, what’s his name again?
No crap man...
The way people are acting around here, you would think that Matt Painter went to Missou….
BTFU!
by BoilerAdam on Nov 11, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You have to understand
That’s Charlespig being Charlespig. You just have to accept his enthusiam comes accross as negative sometimes.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Nov 11, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
Hopefully now with more resources, losing 2 recruiting “locks” to msu, and a couple of new classes coming in, they will start changing a few things starting next year in order to align the teams perception in order to compete in these 5* recruitments.
by TheBox on Nov 11, 2011 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i was agreeing to charlespigs concerns
Not the urination into ones coffee
by TheBox on Nov 11, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No disrespect intended, charlespig...
but this rant of yours sounds a bit whiny. Things could be much worse for Purdue basketball right now…heck, just look at the football program!
I think you need to think more about the grand scheme of things and where this program is headed. Sometimes I wonder if you even trust Matt Painter. The guy is the first coach EVER in the history of Purdue to demand the resources he needs. The man now has some of the very best basketball facilities in the nation and the money he didn’t have before. Recruiting is honestly fine, because a few years down the road when Painter has 3 amazing classes playing together, we can raise a banner. You’re bringing the losers’ mentality idea to the front of this site and its frustrating to read.
by Jackson Brunner on Nov 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Pls kindly enlighten me about the losers' mentality. I genuinely don't understand.
I play street ball in the park in Brooklyn and while some just to play “for fun”, I try my best to be Brian Cardinal and dive for loose ball or be the CK3 that frustrates the opponent with defense. To me, “fun” is not about beating cupcakes but when you play your heart out against quality opponent that you leave it all on the court. Win or lose don’t matter. It’s about playing the best so that you can improve.
So I just don’t understand how I am bringing the losers’ mentality idea when all I am saying is that with our team, on this very special night that may not happen for another 40+ yrs, and with our $2M-a-year coach we should be expecting to play a stronger opponent than someone who has a losing record and with 9 new players? How is that a losers’ mentality when I want Purdue to get into the spotlight and change the perception of the general public that we are an elite basketball school so that we can attract high school players b/c they know their talent will be showcased to a national audience?
I really don’t understand, and I’d appreciate you educating me. Thx in advance.
Pumped up!
I came all the way from Texas to attend this game!
by FrenchBoiler on Nov 11, 2011 10:06 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
woop woop!
from the fellow texan boiler
by PurdueEnginerd on Nov 11, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Predictions
Hummel 21 pts. 8 boards
Barlow 15 pts.
Smith 9 pts.
’Chooch 10 pts.
LewJack 12 pts. 5 dimes
surprisingly accurate assessment
only major thing off was robbie’s boards
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
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Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
I'm More than ready - thank God football season is over, - oh wait we still have 3 games
I expect Matt will use this to keep trying different lineups to see which ones work the best.
Pls tell me it's a typo - or else you gotta be kidding me
The 6’7" 275 pound forward from Avon High School shot nearly 46% from the field and almost 40% from three-point land.
A 275-lb player shot 40% from threes? That’s heavier than Sandi and this guy is shooting threes?!
I still think it is a waste for a 275-lb guy to shoot only 46% from the field.
Prediction
Purdue 81 Northern Illinois 52
Hummel 22 pts
Barlow 12 pts
Smith 10 pts
Marcius 9 pts
Jackson 8 pts
A. Johnson 9 pts.
T. Johnson 6 pts.
Carroll 2 pts
Byrd 3 pts
EV12
Shall i make the drive from B-town?
Dying to see the new facilities and Hummel.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Nov 11, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions
I hope Robbie gets 110 points every game this season.
I’m simply not satisfied with 20 point games; I want the man to make other teams weep and howl.
I agree.
Can we just settle on allowing him to have a 4-point line? Somewhere in the 12-15 foot range that is only allowed for him?
by Caleb Benner on Nov 11, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
another exh.
This is basically another exh game, but at least it counts. I expect to see limited mins for several who are recovering from injury, tj hummel lewjack. It would be another good opportunity to get the fresh some pt, but I am guessing hale and lawson will ride the bench all game due to the redshirt issue… although I could see hale coming in. I think aj will get a lot of mins, end up with 16ish. The rest of the team will get the majority, with chooch and travis getting the ball a lot during the second half.
by TheBox on Nov 11, 2011 2:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The irony is neither Hale or Lawson might play when they need the PT most
Last I heard is that until one guy steps up (or actually, takes a step back and agree to redshirt), Painter is just gonna keep both on the bench to save their redshirt. This sounds a crazy lose-lose situation, as the frosh won’t get to play when they are the ones who need the playing time and experience the most. By having no-one red-shirt, this is essentially like having TWO guys red-shirted.
Sounds Painter is Toeing the Hard Line Here
takes a certain type of kid to agree to redshirting and it seems neither Hale or Lawson want to be that guy. Not sure what you do about that other than not using them in games until the situation has some further clarity to it. Personally, I can see both these guys fitting into the rotations and providing solid minutes this year, but that is just my gut and not based on anything else.
by ZoKnowsDefense on Nov 11, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it is fair...
I don’t think it is fair to ask Hale to redshirt this year after voluntarily sitting out last year and going to prep school… I would say if one sees the court, it will be Hale…
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 11, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Develop the Bench
So we have several cupcakes before B1G season. How ’bout we use it to build depth.
Build a good lead early and let the bench guys play some significant minutes. Our talent gap between starters and the rest of the guys is not nearly as great as it was last year – evidenced by so many different predictions as to who will make up the starting 5 come January.
My only gripe about Matty last year was that, in several of these cupcake games, his 7 man rotation played most of the game and we blew out the bad guys by 20+. This year, why don’t we let the second tier guys see some serious game time and win these games by 8-10. We’re gonna need that depth come conference season.
Oh, and I’d love to see MP try that trapping/fast-breaking lineup that someone mentioned a couple of weeks ago.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
I agree, but...
1. With regards to developing the bench, I had that same thought last year as you but I think Painter once mentioned that his philosophy is to award PT based on how well you do it practice. So unless you step up and play very good D in practice, he is not gonna award you PT to “develop” you. Well, he’s the coach and that’s his way.
2. The fast-breaking lineup would be great if we have at least one of the athletic forsh available. Sounds like at this point no one gets the official red-shirt and so both are now getting the unofficial red-shirt (i.e. neither are playing to preserve their red-shirt).
What is the official rule on the RS?
Can’t they play a game or two and still use it?
BTFU!
by BoilerAdam on Nov 11, 2011 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nope...
B-ball players can only play in the exhibition games and still maintain their redshirt… Once they step foot on the floor during regular season, their redshirt is burned!
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Nov 11, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch
With a long season, you’d think there would be a grace period…
My two cents is that it would be awfully hard to force a RS on Hale….
BTFU!
by BoilerAdam on Nov 11, 2011 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hard or not, it just doesn't seem right to redshirt Hale
If the kid is not ready after an extra year, then there’s some serious problem either on the kid (which I don’t see) or the coaching staff in evaluation (which I hope not).
If the kid is ready after an extra year, it seems unfair to redshirt him given the sacrifices he’s made to become a Boiler.
First day
After following H&R (bball coverage) for about 2 years, I’m excited to FINALLY have made an account to actually post comments. Thanks for all the in-depth info thus far, and humor in times of need….looking forward to an exciting 2011-2012.
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Always glad to have someone new. See you in a few hours!
by Beavis Beefcake on Nov 11, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome!
The more the merrier.
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by Boilerfan1234 on Nov 11, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
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Build a lead, put in the bench
And I want Painter to tell them to play like its a tie game, the whole game. I’d like to see the bench and younger guys come in and play with a sense of urgency and precision. I hate seeing them play the “run out the clock and shoot when its below 5 seconds on the clock.” Painter needs to coach them hard and they need to play hard.
With Smooge and JJ gone, I can see a case for Painter keeping in the first string to work on chemistry for the new team. He even said on JMV that he didn’t get an opportunity to work on that in the exhibition games because he wanted to get Hale and Lawson plenty of minues.
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no espn3
Just found out I don’t have access to espn3- what a downer- I get over 200 channels on my tv- why can’t someone show this game?
Who is your cable (or high speed internet) provider?
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