Purdue 45, Minnesota 17: Your Boilers Led The Leaders Division
Well, we were in first place for at least a few hours this afternoon. Once Illinois and Penn State finished off their afternoon victories they moved back ahead of us by a half game, but the victory this afternoon over the Golden Gophers counts exactly as much as any other Big Ten win. If we can beat a Penn State team that is awful on offense, but excellent on defense, we can even play Illinois on Homecoming for the division lead.
It was a welcome relief after last week. Against the Fighting Irish we got drilled by a bigger, stronger, and faster team. This week I don't feel like we showed a whole lot, but we still won handily. Our offense was as vanilla as possible with no downfield throws and only one misdirection play (the Akeem Shavers TD catch), but it was enough. Mostly, we waited around for the Gophers to screw up, and they were more than happy to oblige. Consider:
- A shanked punt set up our first score after Minnesota went three and out deep in their own territory.
- A fumble at the 11-yard line set up the second touchdown even though it took four plays to move it that far.
- Ricardo Allen tied a school record with his third career pick six, putting us up 24-0 at the end of the first quarter with Minnesota only having one first down. He is now tied with Rod Woodson and Mike Rose, and has five career interceptions. There is more than enough time for him to get the record by himself.
- By the time the second half rolled around and we were content to just pound the ball, we had worn their defense down simply because their offense couldn't stay on the field. The running backs found plenty of room and were gashing them on both second half scoring drives.
- We led 45-3 and had given up barely 100 yards of total offense late in the third quarter by the time we stopped caring. Minnesota's kickoff return for a score and late drive only served to make the score prettier.
On our end, we played a very clean game. Penalties were still an issue, but for the most part we got out of our own way and didn't make any mistakes of our own. We had a few fumbles that we recovered. Carson Wiggs missed a field goal, and that was really about it in terms of bad plays. The kickoff return was mostly us falling asleep (though our coverage is really good when Carson kicks it through the end zone). Basically, we did what we needed to do.
Positives from the Minnesota game:
Ricardo Allen - Rico Island is back a week after getting absolutely ravaged by Hurricane Floyd in a Katrina-like disaster. It takes a lot of confidence for a kid like Ricardo to come back after getting dominated the way he was. I think we now know two things. First, Ricardo is still an excellent corner and tackler. I like his chances to break Stu's interception record before all is said and done. Second, Micheal Floyd is really, really, REALLY damn good.
Ryan Russell - Speaking of records, Russell tied a school record with two fumble recoveries in one game. Both of them were botched handoffs. I'd like to credit Ryan Kerrigan for them. MarQuies Gray knew Kerrigan was in the building and was probably terrified by that fact, thus leading to the bad exchanges. Russell was there to fall on them and keep the pressure on them early.
Antavian Edison - I love seeing the ball in this kid's hands because more than anyone else on the team, he makes guys miss. It really is like someone is controlling him with a PS3 controller and they keep hitting the highlight stick.
O.J. Ross -O.J. protected the ball when he had it today. His touchdown was like a jailbreak screen and he would have scored from anywhere on the field. It's nice to have a 4-star guy actually work out, for once.
The Running game - Once again, we should have very little trouble winning when we rack up 200 yards or more on the ground. In fact, we should have little trouble getting that many since we don't throw upfield and we need to run the ball as much as we did today in order to keep opposing offenses off the field. Everyone got involved too. Akeem Hunt is going to be one hell of a back for us. Reggie Pegram runs with attitude and gives us a nice, bruising ballcarrier. Ralph Bolden seemed to struggle today, but Shavers seemed to do an excellent job of making cuts in the flow of the hole and blocking. Shavers, Pegram and Bolden even caught passes out of the backfield, something we forgot was legal in the first three games. Raheem Mostert got his first career touchdown and even Kurt Freytag got his first career carry.
I really like that we have such a variety of guys that can run the ball successfully, and that makes it even more stunning that we don't run it more. Why don't we have Brandon Cottom and Pegram out there flattening guys? Why is Edison getting handoffs when we have Hunt being so effective?
Spencer Dawson - He's the key to victory. We're 2-0 when he plays, winning those games by an average of 43.5 points per game. Clearly we need to get him more minutes.
Pass defense - For once we didn't get shredded. In fact, I think we only gave up one third down over the middle. We allowed only 113 yards through the air, and almost half of that came in the fourth quarter with a five touchdown lead. Either Minnesota's passing offense is that bad or we finally figured some things out. Linemen like Bruce Gaston were even getting their hands active and batting down passes.
The defense as a whole was solid, blowing up plays at the line and allowing nothing big. The totals look even better when you consider that most of their offensive output came in the fourth quarter as we nursed a big lead. We made them go to an injured Gray instead of Max Shortell. Da'Jon McKnight and Duane Bennett did nothing while the game was still a game. Will Lucas was particularly active too.
Caleb TerBush - Both quarterbacks played about equally and each threw a TD pass, but TerBush threw the ball 21 times to six for Robert Marve. TerBush still threw high to some open receivers, and that is something that gives me bad flashbacks of Brandon Hance. Still, each was serviceable and was not a detriment. Marve mostly handed off during his time. TerBush had a few designed runs (17 yards total), while Marve seemed to play within the system this week, almost to a fault. Perhaps he did that on purpose?
Sean Matti - I have to mention him because this is another game in which he would have played, especially against his home state team. Mrs. T-Mill and I were able to pick up our Matti shirts from University Spirit after the game. We would have gotten hem last week, but they were happily sold out. We're still thinking of you, 22.
Negatives from the Minnesota game:
We learned nothing - Minnesota is an awful football team. I say that because I am not sure we played all that well, but we won by four touchdowns. You can never truly complain about conference wins by four scores, as they are very rare, especially for us. Their offense did less than nothing for three quarters, thus making it that much easier for us. Defensively, they didn't give up big plays, but we still had little trouble doing whatever we wanted to do. As it turns out, we didn't want to do much. I would say every pass was within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Most runs were straight ahead. Vanilla, vanilla, vanilla! That's not going to work next week against Penn State and a good defense.
Then again, we did exactly what we needed to do in beating a bad football team. Considering we failed to do that against Rice I'll take it as improvement.
Bubble Screens - Can we please get rid of this? We don't have the speed, nor do our receivers block well enough for them to work. All it takes is for one pass to be slightly behind the quarterback, becoming a lateral, and the defense can get in there and blow it up. We never even tried to test them deep or even over the middle, really. Gabe Holmes was open on several plays. We should try beating teams how they beat us: crossing routes over the middle. It will work with Edison. What's the harm in sending Justin Siller or Gary Bush deep once or twice per game, either? By now, no one expects it, so it might work.
Up Next:
We have a critical game next week at Penn State. I say critical because we still have seven games to get three wins necessary for a bowl game and the Nittany Lions look like a team that can be beaten. They've scored 29 points in two games against defenses that aren't exactly strong. Penn State's offense is painful to watch, but their defense is still incredibly solid. Those 29 points have been enough to get two wins because they have held two respectable offenses to 13 points.
We have to be able to score next week. We have to mix things up, cause some misdirection, and get the lead on them because I am not confident they can play from behind. In four of their six games they've been easily held under 17 points. Only Indiana State (an FCS team) and Eastern Michigan (probably worse than Indiana State). That's about like our huge offensive numbers against Minnesota and SEMO.
As long as the defense can take advantage of an abysmal passing attack and key on Silas Redd as their only offensive option it will be up to the offense to simply score enough in order to win. Assuming Penn State's offense keeps producing at its current rate two touchdowns and a field goal might be enough. Considering we're playing against 100,000+ fans you can't ask for much more than a chance, and we have one.
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Akeem Hunt
After three games, I can confidently say that this guy is going to be huge for us in the next few years.
Also, I felt like neither of the quarterbacks played particularly well. TerBush overthrew receivers way too much and Marve was just… forgettable. Not their best game.
Also… the false start penalties… AUGH
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Marve was kinda handcuffed. TerBush was just awful.
Also, Shavers looks like out best back right now. No disrespect to Bolden, but Shavers has looked really good the last few games.
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"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Oct 9, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
"TerBush was just awful"
I haven’t seen anything to back that kind of statement up. I think he plays a lot better when Purdue does a no-huddle offense and pushes the tempo.
ND was not good, I agree…but Marve wasn’t much better in that game. Give TerBush an offensive line that can actually block and some reliable receiver.
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 9, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He missed multiple recievers by at least 10 yards.
I have no problem with CTB as the two, but Marve is simply better. He’s more mobile, his throws have more zip on the out and crossing routes, and he is a much bigger threat downfield, which IMO had a lot to do with the unclogging of some of those running lanes.
And you can’t say Marve was bad in that game…he handed off like 20 times and only threw 6 passes. He can only run the plays they send in, exactly as they’re sent in, lest he get shit on for being “out of system”.
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"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Oct 9, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
CTB has been in the program for a long time, and he should be more polished than that. I think it is just down to ability at this point. He has had enough game reps now and is a solid contributor, as a backup. Until he can hit Ross or Bush in stride running vertical he should be playing the #2.
Marve should be our starter.
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Agreed
Hunt is explosive. He needs to be given the ball more.
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 9, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hunt & Mostert
Need to get the ball more. Especially Hunt. That kid is going to be something special and I think Mostert too.
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by BoilerUpAT on Oct 9, 2011 7:00 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You forgot the best part
The Gophers were in town, and all of Rob’s tendons are still intact.
BTFU!
by BoilerAdam on Oct 9, 2011 12:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
two thoughts
1.) It felt like Marve was being punished. He played a decent amount but what the hell is the point of bringing in a second QB only to have him hand off all the time (only 6 pass attempts for Marve)? I just don’t understand what’s going on there.
2.) I’m very happy we got this win. I don’t know how many more we’re going to get this season (I don’t share Travis’ optimism w.r.t. Penn State) so I enjoyed every second of this one.
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We were up 27-3 when Marve came in...
…and I’m sure at that point, running the ball as much as possible was the plan to ease the onslaught.
Call it sportmanship, if you like.
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by carmen_fanzone on Oct 9, 2011 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Detroit Lions just overcame a 24-pt deficit last week?
I’d agree not to run up the score if it’s 47-3, but at 27-3 I thikn you still wanna play for real.
Minny ain't Detroit...
…and the score was even worse when Marve came in the 2nd half, so I don’t disagree with the strategy to just keep running the ball.
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by carmen_fanzone on Oct 9, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And we ain't Dallas either (we are more like, urrr, this season's Colts?)
I don’t necessarily disagree with running the ball, but I’d hope that they give more opportunities for Mavre. You can’t practice live game situation with fans and craziness. A blow-out like this would be great time to let Mavre try the 2-minute offense (esp. before the half’s over). If you score, great; if you don’t, it’s still nice to learn what you don’t do well and seek to improve it in the next practice.
true
but then why bring him in? i very well may be wrong, but it felt like hope was trying to make a point.
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by therailroadtie on Oct 9, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Hope is determined to have a 2 QB system?
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by carmen_fanzone on Oct 9, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
your answer depressed me, b/c i realize just how true that is
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by therailroadtie on Oct 9, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Tmill, I'm back again
And I like to hate on. You mostly cause you’re such a blind superfan.
But today I’m on the same page as you. Maybe it’s all this Makers Mark, but whatever the reason, I have THE FAITH again. Oh, the curse of being a Cubs/Purdue fan…
I digress, but I agree on several points. (1) Mavre NEEDS to to be our starting/fulltime/whothefuckelsewouldyouplay QB. (2) Ralph Bolden doesn’t have his burst back (Shavers/Hunt looked much better tonight). (3) I ran out of Maker Mark, bring some more to Michigan and I will have more motivation
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Good luck, I sure wish you are right!!!
…and then you can say to me, “Look you little confident moron. If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
Look, I’ve seen this over and over. We run “really” well against lowly opponents (maybe that’s why Hope schedule them, like SEMO). When we run well, it makes our team looks really good because 1) it hides our atrocious passing attack, and 2) we have some real good RBs.
Problem is, as soon as we play against teams that are athletic, we can’t run. Give me one game where we run effectively against a non-cupcake team. And when we can’t run, it exposes us naked that we just can’t pass either. So then we are up to mercy. You can only have that many 3-and-outs before your defense breaks down.
Minnesota is just THIS bad. And also, we are catching ALL kinds of breaks yesterday. Like Shavers’ TD – the ruling on the field could go either way, and however it is called it is likely to stand b/c the evidence is unclear to overturn. Or that Minn shot themselves in the foot with the running-into-kicker on our punt that led to Mavre’s TD. We get Minn to make dumb mistakes just like ND made us last week. That’s a true sign of disparity between the two teams. It’s like in basketball when you can’t stop the other guy you are more inclined to foul.
So sorry, I am the “Thomas” and I remain in doubt until there are evidence that we can beat a decent team. (I’d say if we can go to a Bowl this year would be the evidence I need)
I totally agree...
This game’s grade is a definite INCOMPLETE, If you ask me. Not to get totally theological but there is faith and blind faith. I have confidence in Purdue to beat SEMO and Minnesota because they are THAT BAD, and as long as Purdue was just able to play reasonable football it would be a win. However, like Charlespig said, I cannot trust team one iota to go out and do the same thing at Happy Valley next week against a physical staunch defense, whose only loss was against the #2 team in the nation. It hasn’t been proven to me yet. Everybody says that running the ball our strength, and although it may be a strength, it’s a very meager one at that, IMO. Also most people think that Penn State’s offense is that atrocious that Purdue has a shot. True, PSU’s qb’s don’t strike fear into an opponent due to their lack of offensive striking ability. However, you don’t need to be that if you’re facing an inept Purdue defense (especially a Purdue defense that will probably pat themselves on the back after a “dominant” performance against Minny). McGloin is a qb that manages the football game, and frankly that’s all you need to beat Purdue. I’m sure PSU’s O-line will hold their own against the (lack of) rush of Purdue’s D-line, and create holes for the RB while giving McGloin time to hit WR’s in the middle of the field.
When it comes to intangibles… huge advantage to (We are) Penn State. 100,000 ppl screaming against the probable starter who’s last road game was a loss to a Rice team which hadn’t beaten a BCS school in 7 years or something like that— not to mention that the “road game” was a de-facto home game (let that marinate for a second, Purdue fans). Yeah I’m not looking forward to seeing CTB facing a Penn state team that knows their identity and is not afraid to play that way to win. Other intangibles include execution on plays, poise and limiting penalties— all of which Purdue fails to do at the most needed time.
So there you go T-Mill I think I just did the write up for you for next week’s preview.
To your call once more we rally...
by H Dot Jones on Oct 9, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you speak a lot of truth...
…and we get to hear a full week of Hope’s talk of improvement by this team. And then we’ll lay another egg in Happy Valley.
Very predictable.
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by carmen_fanzone on Oct 9, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup, we've seen it too many times we can tell what's coming
Maybe that’s why I actually appreciate T-Mill, to be perpectually optimistic (this is genuine, not sarcastic) like any die-hard fan. (I’m too much of a realist for that)
Forgive me, but we’ve seen this just several weeks ago. After a spanking on SEMO, and with a “mediocore” Notre Dame team (who lost at home and the most turnover-prone team in the country), we got hyped up that we might at least be respectable in a sell-out home game, esp. in front of our bball recruits. And what happened was forgettable, but not forgotten.
Our running game is really much like my own post-up game in pickup basketball. I look pretty darn good against smaller guys who gave up 30 lbs on me, and I’d just wear them down. But anyone same size as me they can probably block whatever that I threw up :-(
Disagree
>Bubble Screens – Can we please get rid of this?
Bubble screen is a HUGE tool to counteract a defense that is overly aggressive. Drew Brees did it to perfection when he was here.
>We don’t have the speed
What?! I thought the whole emphasis of Hope’s recruiting is speed. No? I’d agree if your reason is our QB is no Drew Breesa and can’t make accurate throws.
>We should try beating teams how they beat us: crossing routes over the middle.
Not that I disagree with you, but I think Hope is scared of sending his receivers to the middle for 1) that is more likely for a WR to get injured, and since Hope already used up the injury excuse last season, he is now extra careful not to lose the only thing he can boast (hey, I’m encouraged that we have no serious injury despite losing 10-38), and 2) crossing routes when QB who has no accuracy and WR who has no timing with the QB are feast for interceptions.
>What’s the harm in sending Justin Siller or Gary Bush deep once or twice per game, either?
I am not disagreeing with the need to go deep once or twice per game. But first, Forget Siller. He is big but not a deep route guy. Bush is OK, but the real problem is our QB is very inaccurate (esp Terbush, who seem to always overthrow). You see that in the play call – against Rice and ND the very first offensive call is to test the secondary (both incomplete, one even an INT). The thing is, Terbush is just not an accurate down the field thrower, and asking him to throw deep exposes that. (It’s like basketball, the other team will keep leaving your guy open at the three until you prove to him that the guy can shoot) Mavre is better, but the receviers seem to drop his passes a lot more (b/c there is too much zip? I think the real reason is that they have no chemistry, since Mavre only gets a fraction of the practice time)
Bubble screens don't work if your WR's can't block...
…and as was evidenced y’day, our WR’s can’t block.
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by carmen_fanzone on Oct 9, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
4 facets to a bubble screen
Accuracy of throw – the throw has to give the WR some momentum with his run
Catching of ball – self explanatory
Down field blocking by other WR- Major bugaboo as it was already mentioned
Read of the screen by ball carrier – usually the carrier runs right into the block and get’s tackled for a 2 yard gain. The one time that the block was read perfectly, by OJ Ross, he got a 20 yard gain… SHOCKER!
For a team that run’s this play many of times, it’s baffling that one or more of these facets are botched 97% of the time when they run this play this season.
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One more...
You need to be able to throw the ball down the field.
The bubble screen is a “constraint” play — when defenders are playing way off the line of scrimmage because they respect the deep ball, you hit the bubble screens for quick 5-6 yard gains (and sometimes more) to pull them back towards the LOS — opening the deep ball back up.
The problem with Purdue for several years is that we haven’t had a credible deep threat from the WR or the QB (since Orton, actually). So defenses cheat up to the LOS, destroying the bubble screen and disrupting the underneath passing game.
Until we can prove that we’re willing [and able] to throw downfield, we’re not going to have room to operate any of the underneath routes.
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by Brad Warbiany on Oct 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but that's not an excuse!
We can’t run away from problems! To be a good football team, our WRs need to learn how to block!! To be a good football team, we need to learn how to handle overly-aggressive pass rush by having some tool in the bag to counter them, or else others will just keep punishing us.
Last week MNF when Pierre Garcon scored the 2nd TD, it was b/c of a GREATTTTT block by Reggie Wayne. That’s what we need our WRs to do. Just b/c they aren’t doing it well now is no excuse to allow them to keep being suck at it. WRs blocking is a matter of effort and practice, not some innate skill that you either have or you don’t.
At the end of the day, do you want us to remain mediocore (or downright terrible), or do you want our team to be the best it can be?
You're addressing the coaching staff not me personally, right?
LOL.
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by carmen_fanzone on Oct 9, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing against you
You made a great point that for bubble screens to work we need receivers who can block. My point is that, the coaching staff should make that happen then if they ever want to make a good football team.
Go with Marve
Good post. I think yesterday we saw Hope bring immature – he put marve in and called all run plays to be sure that he would “stay within the system.” As the color guy pointed out a couple of times, this is conference play. You don’t take your foot off the gas, and if you’ve got a big lead, now is the time to expand your playbook and try something new. Practice that two minute drill in a game situation. Let marve uncork one down field. A big lead didn’t stop Michigan from running a half back pass on Min last week. Call it sportsmanship if you want, but I think Hope was trying to make a point to a single player.
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by BoilerAdam on Oct 9, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed that we should let Mavre try to run the 2-minute offense
Coz live game is the perfect practice scenario
But then again, given our lack of playbook, maybe Gary Nord just doesn’t wanna show it. I think it’s dumb for Hope to insist on a 2-QB system, but if he is indeed gonna do that, maybe he should just let Mavre focus on the 2-minute up-tempo situation, and let Terbush does the normal game since he supposedly “plays within the system.”
I was just happy...
…the jailhouse break screen pass worked (TWICE!) y’day for the first time in 2 years.
But, yes, it’s troubling that we don’t go deep AT ALL.
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Question
I thought the victory over SEMO did not count as they are not a D-I School. Thus, i thought Purdue needed 6 victories over D1 schools to become bowl eligible? Can someone clarify?
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Oct 9, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
SEMO is a D-I school, just a bad FCS school
You get 1 FCS win to count towards your bowl eligibility. So in essence, you just need 5 wins, unless you’re Minnesota.
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Yup
Minnesota is a free win toward bowl eligibility for everyone in the Big Ten. I think TMill hit it right on when he said we learned nothing. Unfortunately for Coach Hope, the loss to Rice ruined his just beat b ad teams instead of develop a good team philosophy this year and hopefully he doesn’t get another chance at this philosophy next year. Although Penn State’s offense hasn’t looked great, how do we expect to score on their defense?
Halfback passes and double reverses
If we can’t physically beat them, let’s try to confuse them!
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Prediction
Hope will start Terbush and will continue to run him out there every posession until the game is out of control. Marve will come in and make the score respectable. Terbush will then once again get the start against Illinois the following week.
Robert Marve at QB gives this team the best chance to win. His passes are crisper, his decisions are smarter. He has played in big time games. He is the most talented QB on the roster. Give the kid a chance. At least switch them and have Marve play the 1st and 3rd quarters. I don’t get the whole two QB system. Name a place and time that a two QB system has ever accomplished anything.
Yeah, if half our team are 5-star AA
I’m sure even a 3-QB system will work
We should try beating teams how they beat us: crossing routes over the middle. It will work with Edison.
Much agreed.
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Deja Vu-exactly
Every game I am yelling at the field and/or TV set screaming the same thing.
Edison or Siller on a slant or crossing route would be killer. Why don’t we do it more? Is it all QB protection or lack thereof? Is our OL really that bad, or is it just Nord not calling the right plays?
<——mindboggled
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