2011-12 Purdue Basketball: Picking The Schedule
Practice has started. The real games are only 23 days away. Top 25 lists are coming out and Purdue is not in most of them. That's fine. We know the rhetoric that will be said about this team. It will be more about what we lost (two all-time players in E`Twaun Moore and JaJuan Johnson) than what we have returning.
But we Purdue fans know better. I still hold out hope of finishing the season with Drew Brees giving a pre-game pep talk in his new home town as we prepare to play in the Final Four. Farfetched, you say? Well, a year ago at this time the idea of Butler playing Virginia Commonwealth in a Final Four was laughable. Two years ago Butler playing in consecutive National title games was laughable. George Mason making a Final Four in 2006 was laughable, as was Davidson coming within a possession of making it in 2008.
Anything can happen in college basketball. We're not the favorites to make it, and I am fine with that. I know and you know we still have an awfully good team and that's all that matters. We may not win the same way that we won with JJ and E'Twaun, but we still have the talent to win an awful lot of games.
With that in mind, here are my completely irrational picks for each game this season:
November 11 - Northern Illinois - We're not losing the Mackey rededication game. Win
November 14 - High Point - This is a paycheck game, and we haven't lost won of those since Wofford. Win
November 17 - Iona (Puerto Rico Tipoff) - The Gaels should be a pretty strong challenge and our first test of the season, but we're still better. Some circles have this as an upset pick. Win
November 18 - Western Michigan/Temple (Puerto Rico Tipoff) - It will probably be Temple, which should be a good challenge. I think we take the Owls in a close one. Win
November 20 - (Puerto Rico Tipoff) - Wichita State and Alabama are expected to be tournament teams and one will likely reach the final. We have an advantage in that we've played Alabama the last two years, so I am more concerned about Wichita State. Win
November 23 - Western Michigan - This was a late addition as a bonus game of the Puerto Rico Tip-off, but it will be played at Mackey. We also rarely lose to MAC teams at home, so unless Danny Hope is coaching, we win. Win
November 26 - Coppin State - Another paycheck game, another win. Win
November 29 - Miami (FL) - The Hurricanes should be a pretty good team. Durand Scott is a solid scorer and they have a big lineup, so don't be surprised if this one is closer than expected. We're playing for Big Ten pride, however, and this is our first major home test. Win
December 3 - at Xavier - Our first true road contest of the season and it comes against a team that is going to be pretty solid. In fact, this may be the best team on our non-conference schedule. I think Xavier wins, but a Purdue victory will turn a lot of heads. Loss
December 7 - Western Carolina - We nearly became a national embarrassment when the Catamounts came within a missed three-pointer as time expired of beating us in the first ever 16 over 1 upset. That won't happen this time. Win.
December 10 - Eastern Michigan - Different direction, same result as Western Michigan. Win
December 17 - Butler (at Conseco Fieldhouse) - After the past two years I am never counting out the Bulldogs. This is going to be a fun day as part of the renewed Crossroads Classic. This will be another close game, but I think we win. There is certainly no shame in losing to Butler anymore. Win
December 20 - IPFW - The Hoosiermakers come to town for another paycheck game. Win
December 28 - at Iowa - This game just screams trap game to me. Starting the conference on the road at a place we crapped the bed at last year. It is my hope Painter has them ready and reminds me that this is where the season went south last year. Win
December 31 - Illinois - This will be a talented, but young Illinois team. It's time to introduce them to road play in the Big Ten. Win
January 5 - at Penn State - It's never good when your coach flees for Navy after a successful season. Will the Paint Crew take over State College again? Win
January 8 - at Minnesota - They have a size advantage in Trevor Mbakwe and Ralph Sampson III, but Robbie Hummel is looking for revenge. I think he goes Keyser Soze and drops 40, hitting a three every time ESPN even mentions That Game. Win
January 12 - Wisconsin - There is one immutable truth: the Badgers never win in Mackey Arena. Win
January 17 - Iowa - The Hawkeyes are my pick for Most Improved in the Big Ten this year and it wouldn't surprise me if they beat us in Iowa City. We get them at home for sure, however. Win
January 21- at Michigan State - The ride has to come to an end at some point, and very few teams win three in a row at the Breslin Center. We have fond memories of this being the place where we last looked like ourselves last season. Loss
January 24 - Michigan - The Wolverines will likely be battling us for a top 3 finish, so we need to hold serve at home. Win
January 28 - at Northwestern - There is always one road game we inexplicably drop. Once again, I think it comes at Northwestern and they use it as an NCAA resume boost. Loss
February 4 - Indiana - Hummel is the only player on the roster to ever lose to Indiana, and no one on the roster has lost to them at home. I like this tradition. Win
February 7 - at Ohio State - Am I the only one that considers the fact Ohio State lost quite a bit before handing them the Big Ten and a Final Four berth? That said, it is still going to be awfully tough to take this one. I am calling it our least likely game to win. Loss
February 12 - Northwestern - Revenge from the Evanston loss. Plain and simple. Win
February 15 - at Illinois - This is a toss-up game, but one we get if we're hitting our usual February stride. Look for this to be a game where we play to improve our seed. Win
February 19 - Michigan State - We should have quite a healthy home winning streak on the line by this game, and you know the crowd will bring it. Judging by the way we have responded in big home games since Duke, I think we take it. Win
February 22 - Nebraska - Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska. This is what Mackey Arena is like. Good luck. Win
February 25/26 - at Michigan - I don't have a good feeling about this, but at least we have a split secured by then. Loss
February 29 - Penn State - There is no freaking way we're losing to an awful Penn State team on Robbie's senior night. This is a stone cold lock. Win
March 4 - at Indiana - If the Hoosiers are playing for an NCAA berth this game scares me a little. It scares me even more if we have a chance at a piece of the Big Ten. It is probably the most hostile environment we will face, and the undefeated-against-Indiana careers of Ryne Smith and Lewis Jackson need to be closed out. Win
So there you have it. 26-5 and 14-4 in the Big Ten is my expectation, with a few games (Butler, Puerto Rico Final, at Iowa, at Indiana, at Minnesota, Michigan State) as games I see that can go either way. That should be enough for another top four seed in the NCAA's and at least a chance. Even dropping five of those swing games and finishing 21-10 should be enough to put us securely in the field. Once there, who knows what can happen.
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Pre Season Conventional Wisdom
Last year, we were dismissed because JJ & Smooge couldn’t get it done without Robbie.
This year, we’re being dismissed because Robbie can’t get it done without the Celtermakers.
Go figger…
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
And the year before we were dismissed because we're Purdue
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26-5?
I really do think you lost your mind.
But I like it.
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by BoilerTMill on Oct 19, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Every game he has us winning we could win and we could very well win the games he has us losing.
Simply put, the season is a bit dependent on Hummel, but every game is a game we could win and outside of Ohio State and Wisconsin it’s not like the rest of the league is that loaded.
Michigan St., Minnesota, Illinois and Penn State are all starting to rebuild after losing most of their big guys. Northwestern has been stuck on ‘almost there’ for a few years now, Indiana still hasn’t proven anything yet, and then you have a still trying to get better Iowa squad and the newcomers in Nebraska. I’m not sold on Michigan, either.
No reason Purdue can’t steal third this year, at the very least.
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by Bryan Steedman on Oct 20, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
what you say is true, but also the flip side of that is true….outside of some of the cupcakes, every win listed could very well be a loss. The reality is going to come somewhere down in the middle, and Purdue is probably around a .500 in B10 play.
Paint Crew nuff said
The Paint Crew has gotten larger and louder in the last few years and with students being on both sides of the court now the sound will be deafening in all directions not just from one side!
Boiler Up!
by Finalfourbum4 on Oct 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
even with the old seating arrangement
Mackey was still considered one of the toughest places to play for a visiting team.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Oct 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So Rec'd!!
The Paint Crew is, to be completely frank, downright scary for opponents. The loudest in America.
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 19, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know how many times Purdue has won all their home games under Painter?
Once.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Almost Twice...
If I’m correct (trying to remember if there was another loss or not), the year they lost to Wofford at home that was the only loss, right?
One more than all other Purdue teams in Mackey
I think the schedule is favorable, though. That doesn’t mean I’d bet on it—I’d rather do a kenpom-ish “x% chance of winning” and sum all those. It seems to be more accurate.
I think 23-8 would be quite good & a good goal. But I think anything below 21-10 might be a bit disappointing.
by Beavis Beefcake on Oct 19, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a few benefits
First, we don’t play the Big Ten favorites at home (Ohio State) so we don’t have to worry about losing to them. We have owned Wisconsin at Mackey, so really the only team probably better than us we play at home is Michigan State.
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I agree
And love the optimism. No way our basketball team loses more games than our football team this year despite playing so many more. I think we play better without the pressure, but looking at that schedule I think we have a good chance of having a great year.
Michigan State is losing almost everyone besides Green might I add.
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by Bryan Steedman on Oct 20, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
PRT will be quite the test for our team
especially given how early it is in the season. Would be nice to roll in there and impress the hell out of some folks. But i don’t mind going into Puerto Rico as underdogs, as well as the season in general. I like the way we play when we’re underdogs.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
Tell Me....
when the pollsters ever got it right with their Pre-Season Top 25…..
by ZoKnowsDefense on Oct 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
UNC....
maybe not the full top25… but the last two times UNC was preseason #1, they finished #1 with a national title (09 and 02?)
by boilerXmen4116 on Oct 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you can go ahead
and chalk them up for this year, too.
by Bloomington.Boiler on Oct 20, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, looking at Indiana's Jesus
That guy is skinny. I really think he will get constantly pushed around in the paint this year.
I can see us dropping 2 at home. 1 to Wisconsin or Michigan and I’m not sure where the other will be. Maybe 1 to Iowa, MSU, or NW. I also think we drop 1 other game, possibly in Puerto Rico.
I would look at 22-8 or 21-9 for the season.
Wisconsin does not win in Mackey Arena
Ever.
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by Danulas on Oct 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Robbie's block
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Oct 20, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Oct 20, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I need a bookie
Where do I sign up to get the Under on that line?
by Todd S. on Oct 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I say 8 or 9 losses
I can see us losing a game in PR, at home to Wisconsin and maybe at Illinois or Minny. Then again, we may win some of those tough road games and 5 losses may be possible. That’s the great thing about Purdue Bball and having CMP, every game is winnable.
As for OSU, they should win the conference. They kept the core of their team and added a great recruiting class. That said, Matta is a very average game coach/developer of talent so you never know. The one guy they will really miss is Deibler. He bailed them out of a lot of bad posessions.
Can basketball season get here already?!
They may win
But I will hope every day that they don’t until it’s official. Ohio State fans were such jerks last year in my first close dealings with them.
See Danulas' reply in the last comment.
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 19, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Even when they went 9-19 in '05-'06
They beat Wisconsin in Mackey.
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Matta doesn't need to "develop" talent
He just gets fresh blood every year…except Sullinger thx to the labor dispute.
Scared the poo out of me....
…when I came to this page and saw Hummel’s picture. Gotta start believing the bad news is behind us.
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Vegas knows where we stand
If its any condolence, Vegas has us as 6000 to win it all, which has us tied with UCLA, Washington, and West Virginia for the 19th best odds. Big Ten teams ahead of us are OSU (600), Michigan (4000), MSU (4000), and Wisconsin (+5000).
OSU is clearly the cream of the Big Ten crop, but none of those other 3 teams scare me. It’s amusing to me the love that Michigan is getting – I know they came on strong last year, gave Duke a game in the tournament, and Michigan hoops is back in vogue after the Fab 5 documentary. But people seem to forget that they lost their best player, and they were a sparkling 9-9 in the conference last season.
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Agreed about UM
I just don’t get it? They lose their best player and now players like Novak are going to be world-beaters!! They will finish 5th or lower…
I see probably 7-8 losses. It’s been about 20 years since UW has won in Mackey, I don’t think that will be an L. I think we will lose a pre-conference game or 2 that we shouldn’t (hopefully not to the ButtDawgs- I HATE them!) and a conference game or 2 we shouldn’t. Also, I feel we will win a surprising road game in conference (MSU or OSU). Probably good for a 3rd-place finish in conference. Also, the seniors graduate without a loss in their career to the Loosiers and Baby Jesus!
How can you hate Butler?
Granted, some of their fans can be a bit arrogant, but they really do things the right way. And they do it without the flashy 5-star guys, they do it with actual students that play ball.
(Of course, I hope we kick the shit out of them in conseco…)
Just do...
I can’t stand their fans… I get sick of hearing about the “Butler Way” and I am a pharmacist and have to deal with the arrogance and stupidity of their pharmacists daily. They are some of the most materialistic braggarts I have ever been around! They also are some of the most fair-weathered fans I have met.
Sorry...
Maybe he’s the exception to the rule! The moron that is currently yapping behind me about how smart she is seems to be the norm from my experience…
His unassuming nature was probably a function of his generation.
As a WWII Navy vet, the GI Bill was the only way he could afford Butler. He rode a city bus between campus, his two part time jobs, and the little apartment he shared with his new bride. No silver spoon there.
Another time altogether.
"There's no hope until Hope is gone!"
as another Pharmacist
I must say that I have found nothing to dislike professionally about my Butler colleagues. They have always been courteous and knowledgeable in my dealings with them.
And even if they are a bit high on their basketball success, haven’t they earned it?
I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more Purdue Basketball
and for the record
24-7. PRTip-off, loss in final. Loss at Xavier, at Iowa (inexplicable), at Illinois, at Ohio State, at Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin (past success does not guarantee future results – also, Jordan Taylor),
I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more Purdue Basketball
Butler Rx's are fine
My dad is a Purdue Rx and two of his partners went to Butler.
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by BoilerTMill on Oct 20, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Why I hate Butler?
Pure jealousy haha. They played the way Purdue has tried to play and ended up in the national championship game twice. When will the ball bounce Purdue’s way???
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Oct 20, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If you want a reason to hate Butler, hate them for getting to the title game and then setting college basketball back a good decade. Anyone who wasn’t a huge fan of college basketball saw that game and basically continued seeing college ball as a joke
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by Bryan Steedman on Oct 20, 2011 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Or hate the refs
for allowing the mugging that was any butler player inside the arc
by jack'sIUdisdain on Oct 20, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I got into the last two final fours because of a friend that's Butler booster
who’s also a Purdue booster and I gladly cheered for the Dawgs at both since Purdue was out of it by then.
In my experience, Butler folks are pretty nice people.
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Oct 20, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I for one cannot wait for this year.
The best student section in the country in the Paint Crew mixed with the best pep band in the country in Boiler Brass? I hope Robbie just goes bonkers this year.
Johnstone
It is redundant to agree with your own comments. Oh, I see, you were just making a correction. My bad. FWIW, 24-9 (including a win and a loss in the B1N tourney).
by Hummel's figurines on Oct 19, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
I hate to make predictions...
because in my Boilermaker history, the moment I predict things it all goes to hell. I think we’re going to be pretty damn good though.
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
OR
44-0. National Champs and the first team since IU to go undefeated. Every IU fan’s head explodes as Bobby Knight comes out and says he couldn’t think of a better team of ballplayers he’d have liked to take his record.
After a 10-21 season Crean puts on an even “bigger” and “better” – but moslty just weider and sadder – Hoosier Hysteria in 2012, predicting big things for The Movement. Then with Harris and the rest of our new boys in 2012 we do it all again.
by boilerhen on Oct 19, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This prediction assumes a healthy Hummel.
How many Boiler fans TRULY think he’ll play the whole season? I hope he does because he seems like a good kid and I never like seeing guys get injured, but I think it’s unlikely. If I’m Coach Painter I’m playing Hummel 15-20 minutes a game max up until the Big Ten season starts and I’m praying before every game and practice that his knees hold up.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Oct 19, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
How many people think IU wins more than 10 games this year?
I sure as hell don’t.
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 19, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They win more than 10.
I think they are definitely in the 15-18 win range.
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Disagree
Besides Jesus, its the same cast of guys that couldn’t win more than 2 conference games. Not to mention the same head coach. What if Zeller fouls out? Who are they going to throw at us….Pritchard?
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 19, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, Pritchard is a measuring stick!
I wish I was making this up:
I’m particularly interested in his ability to score one-on-one versus Pritchard, as if he can do that… well, it would key a lot of good things for IU’s offense.
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Pritchard is actually a pretty
decent post defender. He’s struggled with foul trouble, but other than that, he has held his own pretty well against some pretty decent big men.
The other side of the ball is a different story.
They will definitely win more than 10 games this season
I can see them being a bubble team if they do well in the Big Ten Tourney.
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So you couldn't answer the question because
you don’t think he’ll play the whole season or because you’re afraid even talking about it with jinx it?
And if you don’t think IU will win 10 games this year I encourage you to never try sports betting because you will be bad at it.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Oct 19, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There have been numerous players who’ve came back the next year from an ACL injury and been fine. I still believe the only reason he retore his ACL last year was because he was trying to rush back for the season. This time he had 4-5 months longer to recover
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by Bryan Steedman on Oct 20, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Valid point.
I sincerely hope he has a good season. The only team I would ever wish an injury on is Kentucky because God damn it they could lose 2 of their best and still have an entire starting 5 of future NBA players. The bastards.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Oct 20, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can all find some common ground there
haha
To your call once more we rally....
by BoilerPaulie on Oct 20, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is
can we even consider a wins against a bottomfeeder like IU noteworthy?
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 19, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They had the #7 team in the country in the palms of their hands in '10
No sympathy.
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Still couldn't win.
The fact of the matter is that Purdue is a superior program to IU at this point. I don’t care about their ancient championships. Their recruits don’t scare me in the slightest because of the mediocre-at-best guidance that they’ll get from Crean.
by Jackson Brunner on Oct 19, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
While we are making predictions...
Who is your pick for the (pleasant) surprise player this season? Last year indisputably it has to be Ryne Smith. This year, before TJ’s injury he’s my pick. Now I actually think Barlow will be the one that makes the huge improvement. He hasn’t made any news during the summer (with GDB, no news is always good news), and I’d really like to see Barlow using last year’s lesson to make himself focused and become a much improved player.
I'm banking on Sandi
Yeah, he has the Hopeian description of doing extremely well in practice, but I’m thinking this will be his year.
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Hmmm, there might be some truth to it
A year ago, Ryno was the love-pump who hit everything in practice but nothing in the real game, and then out of nowhere he exploded to B1G POW. Painter already said Sandi is the best rebounder in the pre-season, and given the expected increased minutes, you might have a good pick.
Anthony Johnson
I am REALLY looking forward to seeing what this kid can do!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Oct 19, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Consider me a supporter of a 25-5 season.
While we’re pretending that it’s irrational, I’d like to think we beat Xavier, don’t blow it at Northwestern, and get revenge/redemption for whatever the fuck we did at Schottenheim (or whatever it’s called) last year. One unexpected loss also, puts my guess at 28-3 34-3 =D
Pretty please?
I come from a land down unda
Glad we can all be irrational
and get a kick out of it. :-)
Reality. Team is probably somewhere around 21-10 or 20-11




















