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I have seen some ridiculous stuff after Thursday's loss at Minnesota. People were actually suggesting that E'Twaun Moore's resent three game slump should result in his benching. Seriously? You want to bench an All-America candidate that had a career high 31 in the game before this stretch? This has to be the most ludicrous, knee-jerk decision in the history of Purdue fandom.

I am pleasantly surprised that most people have seen this loss for what it is: a minor setback. Our next four games are very telling, and will go a long way towards establishing our long-term profile. While many people would take a split of this week's games, I think most everyone would have preferred to win the Minnesota game and lose at West Virginia. I would argue that in terms of NCAA seeding, the West Virginia game is more important. This team no longer has big Ten goals. It has national goals.

If we win the Big Ten along the way it is great, but we are going to drop at least 2-4 Big Ten games this year no matter how well we play. Proving ourselves outside of the conference, especially against the Big East, raises our national profile at the end of the year. That national profile enhances our seed, and therefore gives us an easier path to Houston. This team won the Big Ten a year ago. We have done that. While it is a noble goal, this has always been a Final Four or Bust season. I would gladly finish 2nd or 3rd in the Big Ten if it gets us to Houston. Your top four teams in the Big Ten will all receive decent seeds anyway. A win over West Virginia on the road will be something for the committee to use to compare us nationally.

2009-10 Record: 31-7, 13-5 Big East

2010-11 Record: 11-4, 3-2 Big East

Postseason Result: Lost to Duke 78-57 in National Semifinal

Blog Representation: The Smoking Musket

Series with Purdue: Purdue leads 5-0

Last Purdue win: 1/1/10 77-62 at Purdue

Time & TV: 1:30pm on CBS

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FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Casey Mitchell 15 27.4 5.8 12.3 47.0 2.7 6.9 38.8 3.1 3.7 85.5 0.9 1.9 2.9 1.9 1.7 0.9 0.4 1.3 17.4
Kevin Jones 15 33.4 5.7 12.2 46.4 0.9 3.5 26.9 1.7 3.0 55.6 3.1 3.7 6.8 1.3 1.1 0.9 0.7 1.5 13.9
Darryl Bryant 14 26.5 3.9 9.7 39.7 1.1 2.9 39.0 3.4 4.4 78.7 0.6 2.5 3.1 3.6 2.4 1.1 0.0 2.5 12.3
John Flowers 15 26.6 2.9 6.0 48.9 0.3 1.4 23.8 2.5 3.3 74.0 2.1 4.2 6.3 2.3 1.7 0.7 2.5 3.1 8.7
Deniz Kilicli 15 14.7 2.7 5.5 50.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.4 2.1 67.7 2.1 1.7 3.8 1.1 1.5 0.1 0.2 2.6 6.9
Joe Mazzulla 15 23.5 1.7 3.5 49.1 0.1 0.7 10.0 1.8 2.9 62.8 0.5 2.1 2.7 3.5 1.3 0.8 0.1 2.3 5.3
Jonnie West 12 12.5 1.4 3.3 43.6 1.1 2.5 43.3 0.7 0.7 100.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.5 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.6 4.6
Dalton Pepper 14 12.4 1.3 3.5 36.7 0.7 2.0 35.7 0.4 0.6 66.7 0.3 1.3 1.6 0.5 0.6 0.2 0.1 0.9 3.7
Kevin Noreen 7 5.6 1.1 1.3 88.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.6 1.1 50.0 0.7 1.1 1.9 0.6 0.3 0.1 0.0 1.6 2.9
Danny Jennings 12 9.3 0.8 1.4 58.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.8 42.9 1.4 1.3 2.7 0.0 0.8 0.1 0.8 1.6 2.4
Cam Thoroughman 15 17.0 0.6 1.3 47.4 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.9 1.5 59.1 1.8 1.8 3.6 2.1 0.9 0.3 0.2 2.4 2.1
Kenny Ross 5 2.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.4 0.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.0
Craig Carey 3 1.3 0.0 0.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Jake Ferguson 2 1.0 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Call me crazy, but I was more worried about the Minnesota game than I am about this one. Minnesota is a difficult matchup for us because of their size and it showed. Because we had to play much of the game with the Travis Carroll/Sandi Marcius lineup it cut into us defensively. Their size also gave us trouble on the other end of the floor. The best teams can have success against nearly any matchup. Right now, teams with multiple solid big men (like Minnesota with Trevor Mbakwe, Colton Iverson, and Ralph Sampson III) will give us trouble not so much on the rebounding end, but because their size can great disrupt our offense. Combined the fact that a 6'7" Rodney Williams could effectively guard the perimeter, it is no wonder we struggled.

West Virginia does not pose the same matchup difficulties. This is far from the same team that made the Final Four last year, and their one player at 6'10" or better (Freshman Kevin Noreen) barely plays. Rememer, JaJuan Johnson had an absolute field day against them last year with multiple dunks. They never had an answer for him. This year he is better, and they are missing several of the players (Devin Ebanks, Da'Sean Butler, and Wellington Smith) that were supposed to stop him last year.

That makes West Virginia a heavily perimeter-oriented team. We have torn those apart so far. Our perimeter defense struggled against Minnesota for a couple of reasons. First, we had to protect the middle against Mbakwe, Iverson, and Sampson. This meant that Carroll and Marcius were on the floor, and they are not great perimeter defenders. Second, Blake Hoffarber had a mismatch against Ryne Smith because of his size and exploited it. Once we switched Kelsey Barlow on him, we did better.

Casey Mitchell leads the Mountaineers with 17.4 points per game and he is a solid 3-point shooter at 39%. He has upped his scoring average by almost 14 points per game over last year. He is one of three 3-point attempts in last year's contest for his only basket of the game. He had 27 points in a four point loss to Minnesota this year, with a season high 31 the game before against Vanderbilt. St. John's and Marquette held him slightly below his average in losses, while he was right at his average in West Virginia's fourth loss at Miami. At only 6'4", our perimeter D will be more suited to harass him.

The 6'8" Kevin Jones and 6'2" Darryl Bryant are West Virginia's other two players that average in double figures. Bryant is a 3-point threat, but he is more of a slasher and distributor. I think we can neutralize him better with Lewis Jackson, leaving Barlow to cover Mitchell and Moore to assist. Jones is the team's leading rebounder with John Flowers, but Flowers is only 6'7". Both with find JJ is a handful on defense. Plus their likelihood of doubling JJ will open the lane LewJack to drive and dish or score. Deniz Kilicli, a 6'9" Turkish forward will also see time in the post. He is a good offensive rebound who has had four 14-point games this year.

Braynt has been known to turn the ball over at the point, averaging 2.4 compared to 3.6 assists per game. As a team West Virginia averages 12 turnovers and 17 assists. Flowers is their lone consistent shot blocker at 2.5 per game, so we must watch him on the defensive end.

Again, this team is not nearly as big as Minnesota. I like that a lot because it should allow us to get back into the offensive flow we developed earlier. Even against the Golden Gophers we did very well before going the final nine minutes without a field goal. In that stretch we got some good looks that didn't fall, but Minnesota's size continually disrupted anything within 15 feet of the basket.

I really like our chances in this one based on JJ's domination last year. If he is consistent as he was at Minnesota he could go off for 45 with about five rim-shattering dunks. Robbie Hummel had 15 last year, but we didn't rely on the three that much. We were only 4 of 12 for the game, and Ryne Smith is more than capable of getting open for some more bombs. If E'Twaun can shake things off and go from 5 to 15 points it will open things up for the likes of LewJack and The Rain-man as well.

I also continue to be pleased with our rebounding effort, especially from the Hansons when they are in there. This could be a game, like Indiana State, where Barlow shines on the glass because his athleticism matches up well with them. I look for us to keep pounding the ball to JJ until they stop him, all while getting drives from LewJack and Barlow. Defensively I think we can squeeze this team to our pace on the perimeter just like last year, while JJ patrols the paint for shots to swat. If E'Twaun can get back on track and we return to our smooth offense of the previous nine games before Minnesota I think we get a surprisingly easy win. This team is not as good as Minnesota, and the desperation factor the Gophers had in their 1-3 conference start isn't there.

It is time for us to make a statement, and I think it comes tomorrow.Remember, this is a Final Four team from last year that we stomped with ease while they were undefeated, all when the national media was predicting the big, bad, Big East would roll into Mackey and get a win. They aren't nearly as good as they were last year, while aside from the final nine minutes at Minnesota (against a very good team) we have been rolling.

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Purdue's last Final Four team

finished 3rd in the Big Ten losing 7 conference games.

Job One for the next eight weeks is preparing for tourney time. Losing a couple here and there keeps us hungry and avoids the invasive glare of the national spotlight. Overcoming adversity builds character. It is not the end of the world.

Morgantown is a business trip. Do the work. Get home safely.

"Never ruin a good story with the truth"

by boilerslim on Jan 15, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

I did not advocate a wholesale benching of E'Twaun.

And I know it’s me you’re talking about. But running him out there and letting him miss 10 shots a game is not acceptable either. Sometimes, the only thing that gets a player’s attention riding the bench for 5 minutes or so after they do something stupid. If he’s not going to stop shooting when he’s missing, he needs to come out. You can’t let a player throw away 12 possessions, no matter who it is. I have to believe Painter didn’t want him shooting when he was 2-8 or 1-7, so I can only assume he was running through a stop sign, and that is not acceptable either.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 15, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Good point

He still managed to have seven assists too.

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 15, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I find it hard to believe...

Painter would tell Moore to stop shooting. I may have not been hitting, but he wasn’t forcing them either. The misses were close. He is in a slump, but the only way Moore gets out of it is to shoot. All other aspects of his game have been sound. He an All American senior, he has earned it.

http://enginerdknows.blogspot.com

by Docjay00 on Jan 15, 2011 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Too much Monday morning quarterbacking

It’s easy now to say that his 12 missed field goals were possessions that were “thrown away,” but if they were good shots, they weren’t wasted possessions. Not all good possessions end in points. That’s part of basketball—good shots don’t always go down. If he was taking a lot of ill-advised shots, that’s another thing, but I don’t think you are accusing him of that.

And I would also expect that Painter did want E’Twaun shooting when he was 2-8 or 1-7. Unless he’s got a broken wrist, I sure as hell want him shooting.

by septimusharding on Jan 16, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

E'Twaun

He’s going to have a big game tomorrow. I just don’t see a senior all-american falling into a 4 game scoring slump mid-season, especially after a loss. His shot will fall in Morgantown.

by Frank Drebin on Jan 15, 2011 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

I think so too….lets look at it this way; Isn’t it great this slump came now, instead of in two weeks from now? Anyone know any rain dances we could do to help him along?

by MPLSBoiler on Jan 15, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Bo Ryan will eat your babies...

I’m waiting for the Bo Ryan Dougie… coming to a youtube link near you!!!

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 16, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

he only sucks his wife's toes...

and yes that is still a disturbing image to say the least.. lol

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 16, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

A player like E'Twaun will only get better

if he keeps shooting, plus he led the Minny game in assists, he rebounds and does so much more. So that is why Painter sticks with him. The final play was for E’Twaun to shoot the three even after he was so cold. So what does that tell you about Painter’s confindence in Moore. Riding the bench will not help E’Twaun or the team.

by 4thandshort on Jan 15, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

I thought about the split...

….before the Minny game and would have absolutely preferred the win to be over WVU. Perhaps it’s bc I didn’t grow up a Big 10 fan but I’ve never given precedence to the conference title. Long term, consistent team success comes from, not only with, national success.

On a much more emotional note, last year when Robbie went down there was a lot of class shown on our boards from fans of places like MSU, Duke and even IU. The 2 schools I remember distinctly coming onto various Purdue boards to taunt, tease and harass were Syracuse and WVU.

I want those fans dead. I want their families dead. I want their houses burned down and I want to piss on their ashes. (Or at least I’d like to beat their teams) ;-)

by VegasBaby on Jan 15, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

On the topic of classless posts

check out this fan post regarding the alleged rape of a 16 year old girl by a Washington BBall player

mikey9999 said on January 14, 2011 at 11:49 AM

When do we find out who did the raping? I’m a Cal fan and I am hoping its Isaiah Thomas or somebody really good so we can beat them Sunday..

by VegasBaby on Jan 15, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple of points

I agree with you with the Split game weekend theory. I’d rather beat WV… but to a a larger extent. I’d rather be a team that gets to the Elite 8/ Final Four consistently and garner national talent than to rest on our Big Ten Championships.

Should we brag about Big Ten Championships… sure but I think it’s small potatoes. Especially with a program trying so hard to knock on the door to add that final piece to the puzzle, to gain its moment in the sun; not just in the country but also the state and the conference honestly. It’s really like Kansas before Danny and the Miracles in 1988, a school good in it’s conference but also had that choker label (still does at times) but they won a NC… and has stayed on the National forefront throughout the 90’s and 00’s by recruiting well (Seriously, what does Lawrence Kansas has that West Lafayette doesn’t have) and by making it to the FF 3 or 4 times before cashing in again in 2008.

So yeah if losing some key games in the BT race benefits us down the line to the point that we’re still watching this team play in Reliant Stadium, in whatever way that may be, then I’d take it. We’ve tasted BT titles and BT tournament titles… and we’ll taste those again I’m sure….I want more… just being honest

To your call once more we rally...

by H Dot Jones on Jan 15, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Seth Davis finally got back to me about his stock column concerning Purdue and Pitt

I asked him why he sold PUrdue and bought Pitt when they were pretty much the same:

My stock report column is based largely on where teams are ranked right now, so you’re right about that, but sorry to say I do not see Purdue and Pitt as mirror images. I think Pitt is more strong and experienced across the board, and it’s a much deeper team as well. Purdue remains a bit of an unknown quantity because of its schedule. I think Pitt will turn out to be the best team in the Big East, but not by much

That is his response. And im starting to hate the schedule comments…..its not like we played a terrible NC schedule.

by HawkeyeBoiler on Jan 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

At the moment he has a point.

We’re hitting the hardest part of our schedule. In comparison, the previous part of our schedule was easier (comparing the two halves only, not comparing to other teams).

We’re still an unknown because we are starting to play better teams. Over the next week or two, the true colors of the team will come out, and then everyone will know what this team is.

I still don’t think we were a “sell”, but I would agree from an analyst’s point of view, we are an unknown, so they need to see more of us to know what to do with us.

by AustinP0027 on Jan 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The Stock Trader Model

As I understand it, his “sell” recommendation was based on the view that Purdue was “fully valued” at its current ranking. The risk of holding Purdue (ticker BLRUP), as we enter the difficult portion of our schedule, did not justify the slim chance of gains as he didn’t see teams aboves us falling.

Yes, the Big East teams above us will lose to each other, but those losses will not be punished as much since several of these would be to Top Ten teams.

Purdue losses, on the other hand, would be to much lower ranked teams (except OSU) and we would be dropped in the polls accordingly. Purdue wins are not as valuable as Big East wins since we will have beated lower ranked competition.

If a stock you own offers significant risk with little chance of reward, it’s time to sell and move into investments with upside potential that justifies the risk.

I don’t necessarily agree that this is a good model for evaluating basketball teams, what drives the pollsters, or that all those Big East teams deserve to be in the Top Ten – this is just my understanding of what ol’ “Suck It” is trying to say.

"Never ruin a good story with the truth"

by boilerslim on Jan 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

BLRUP

sounds like the sound I make after a really good meal.

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Jan 15, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll all make that sound tomorrow

after we feast on Mountaineers.

I’m bullish on the Boilers. Long and strong.

"Never ruin a good story with the truth"

by boilerslim on Jan 15, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Got my preview done

http://purdue.big10rant.com/10-west-virginia-preview/

I also told the few readers I have to come here for a game thread and more coverage haha.

by HawkeyeBoiler on Jan 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Tonight's games

Well, after our loss to Minnesota, Wisconsin has knocked off Illinois and Northwestern took Michigan State down to the wire at East Lansing. Looks like in-conference play has entered full meet-grinder mode and nobody’s getting out unscathed.

Also, who the f*** kidnapped Penn State and replaced them with competent basketball players?

by blue_dragon on Jan 15, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Well, give PSU some credit

When I saw them playing the Boilers, I thought they were actually playing pretty well, they played a tough defensive game against Purdue. Granted we won by a bit, but they did not look like a bad team. And Battle is legit.

by bdub77 on Jan 15, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Future B1G'ers are kicking some butt

Nebraska takes #3 Kansas down to the wire, losing 63-60, and proving that the Huskers are just as nasty as Michigan.

"Never ruin a good story with the truth"

by boilerslim on Jan 16, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Gary Parrish Mea Culpa (kinda)

TMill is gonna need something else to write about if more in the National Media start talking like this (see video):

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/preview/NCAAB_20110116_PUR@WV

"Never ruin a good story with the truth"

by boilerslim on Jan 16, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

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