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Not be a homer

But I’m not quite understanding dropping PSU 10 places for losing to the #1 team in the nation while Miami only drops 6 for losing to the #2 team.

And as a PSU fan, I also take offense to Pitt being ahead of PSU, considering Pitt’s loss to Utah was far more shameful than Penn State’s. But that’s just my $0.02.

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by 06Lion on Sep 12, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Boise State

Why did they drop? Did they lose a game when I wasn’t watching? It’s wrong that they will likely be punished for VT’s loss. The rankings are not supposed to reflect who did the best against the toughest schedule, they are supposed to relfect who IS the best, regardless of the teams you play. Now, I understand that wins and losses matter, but should James Madison be ranked ahead of VT? Of course not, because everyone knows, or thinks they know, that VT is actually the better team. Why then should Boise lose when Tech loses?

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by Boiler Bandsman on Sep 12, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Very good point

I am making mine a little more fluid based on how the teams look each week. Things will likely balance out after a few weeks.

As a special note, I won’t be ranking USC at all this year because of their bowl ban. I figure there is no point in it.

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by BoilerTMill on Sep 12, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

why did so many teams change? per the previous post, and for another example Nebraska fell? Why? Heck, put Purdue at 25th

by drboiler on Sep 12, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

James Madison should be ranked ahead of VT

They beat them at VT. VT is 0-2 and they lost to an FCS team at home. JMU beat an FCS team at home and beat VT.

No one has any idea who the best team is because they have only played one or two games. BSU barely beat a team that lost to James Madison at home. Based on that, they are probably not the #2 team. No one really knows since there have only been a few games and most teams don’t play each other. The teams ahead of Boise beat better teams more easily, so they should be ranked higher at this point.

by babaoreally on Sep 12, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ranking says Boise State

not Virginia Tech. And to say that TCU beating Tennesee Tech or Texas beating Wyoming is better than Boise beating Virginia Tech is pretty weak. I’ll buy that OSU deserves to move up after beating Miami, but again, the ranking is supposed to be the best teams, not the best schedules. If you say that OSU proved they were better than Boise, fine. But this Boise team returned 20 of 22 starters, so it’s not like they’re an unknown quantity.

“BSU barely beat a team that lost to James Madison at home. Based on that, they are probably not the #2 team.”

I understand your point (that’s why you play the game, right?), but you can see a team is better by watching them play, not just by the scoreboard. That’s why I can say that, for instance, the Colts are 0-1 but are still better than ’Bama, because I can tell that the Colts are a better team even though they lost this week.

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by Boiler Bandsman on Sep 13, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

But so far, the only thing we have to judge Boise by is the win over VT

And that win suddenly looks a lot less impressive. That may (and probably will) change, but if you’re going purely by resume Boise’s just went from “quite good” to “two points worse than a 1-AA team did against the same team”.

I’ve been working on some computer rankings for football and basketball (one version is the equivalent of KRACH in college hockey, if you follow such things – this one ignores score entirely – and the other is a modification that takes score into account but in a weighted manner such that a few more points in a close game mean far more than those same points would in a blowout). After two weeks of games, Boise ranks 52nd (though in a virtual tie with Toledo and Iowa State for 50th) in the version that counts only wins and losses, and 87th (!) in the one that counts score (because all it sees is a 3-point win over a team it considers 18 points below average). Of course, VT’s rating in those systems has a lot to do with it, and it’s unlikely to stay that low for the remainder of the season – but if we truly base the rankings only on this season, that’s what we have to work with at this point.

Then again, I think that’s more a commentary on the uselessness of any sort of ranking system (including opinion polls) after two games have been played. Frankly, I’m not convinced you can get sensible results before the midway point of football season; there’s simply not enough data.

by SpartanDan on Sep 12, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the biggest problems with traditional polls, and one of the tendencies that the BlogPoll specifically tries to counter, is the notion that a team is entitled to “its spot” until it loses. On my ballot, I moved Ohio State ahead of Boise, partly because I was impressed with what OSU did to Miami and partly because, like it or not, the quality of Boise’s win was diminished by VT’s loss to JMU. How far would you take it? What if VT finishes 4-8? Do we still have to pretend that the win over VT was impressive simply because the Hokies were an overrated top 10 team when it happened? Boise plays a weak schedule. I have them #4 on my ballot currently. As the season transpires, and as teams such as Alabama and Florida and OSU and Texas and Oklahoma accumulate more impressive wins, while Boise whips up on Idaho and La. Tech, I’ll probably drop them further.

There’s no moral entitlement to a position in a poll. At this point in the season, there is some projection involved, but by midseason, the polls should purely be a reflection of the accomplishments of the teams. If teams like OSU and Texas and Nebraska and Alabama and Oregon remain undefeated, then those team will deserve to be ranked ahead of Boise, regardless of who was ranked higher first.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Sep 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't care who beats who.

I’m not saying Boise deserves to be up there because they beat VT, I’m saying they deserve to be up there because they are a very, very good team. The poll is supposed to be a reflection of who is the best team, and comparing scores and schedules is just one way to figure out who is the best. Again, as I said earlier, I know the Colts are better than Bama, even though Bama is 2-0 and the Colts are 0-1.

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by Boiler Bandsman on Sep 13, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Comparing scores and schedules is just one way to figure out who is the best.” Uh, what are the other ways? Originality in selecting the color of artificial turf?

Yes, the Colts are better than Alabama, because the NFL is made up of 32 teams comprised of the best and brightest of college football. Hell, the Lions are better than Alabama. I don’t understand what that has to do with Boise State. Travis still has Boise in the top 5, which would suggest that he agrees that Boise is a very good team. Are they better than Ohio State? If so, what is your basis for believing that?

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Sep 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Uh, what are the other ways? Originality in selecting the color of artificial turf?”

How about watching the teams play, and deciding which one is better that way?

“Yes, the Colts are better than Alabama.”
“I don’t understand what that has to do with Boise State.”

My point is this: you say (and I agree) that the Colts, or the Lions if you like, are better than Bama. How do you know that? They haven’t played heads-up, and thay haven’t played any of the same teams. Answer: you know by watching them play, and seeing that yes, Detroit/Indy/whoever is better than Bama. Similarly, you can watch Boise and OSU/Bama/Texas and decide whether or not Boise is better, rather than simply scoreboard watching.

I’m not arguing whether or not Boise is in fact better than OSU, etc., just trying to point out that people should not move them down because VT lost. Obviously TMill still thinks they are good, but a drop of 3 spots suggests that it was more than just OSU, Texas, and TCU winning that led to the drop. (Especially TCU over Tennessee Tech.)

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"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Sep 13, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity, what did Florida do to move up?

South Florida is not exactly a juggernaut, and they pretty well shut down Florida’s offense for the better part of that game. I don’t see much reason for moving them past Wisconsin or Nebraska, although I suppose they had to move up past Miami, so that explains one spot.

If that’s just a correction from a prior mis-entry or something, that makes sense, but if you thought Wisconsin and Nebraska were better after week 1 I don’t see how anything that happened in week 2 would persuade you otherwise.

by SpartanDan on Sep 12, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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