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Know thy NCAA Tournament Opponent Round 3: Duke Blue Devils

Didn't we all feel like it would come back to Duke? When the full 2008-09 schedule was announced everyone was excited that we would be facing the Blue Devils at home. We felt we were ready with our stars as sophomores and a preseason top 10 ranking. Duke came to Mackey Arena, in one of the most frenzied atmospheres I have ever seen, and whipped our ass.

I don't even think it was the margin that was so disturbing. Duke made the win look effortless. It was like they found our intimidating environment cute and toyed with us for two hours. It was a humbling experience. They knew they were the better team and we weren't ready to rise to their level.

So we're back facing the Blue Devils a little more than 50 games later. A lot of players on the rosters are the same, but there are some differences as well. We don't have Robbie Hummel and they have the Plumlee brothers. They no longer have Gerald Henderson and Greg Paulus, while we have... D.J. Byrd and Ryne Smith? While there are a lot of difference between the two rosters, many of the same key parts are still there for each side. The same question stands though: Are we ready?

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2009-10 Record: 31-5, 13-3 (ACC Regular season and Tournament champions)

2008-09 Record: 30-7, 11-5 ACC (lost to Villanova 77-54 in NCAA Sweet 16)

Blog Representation: Just Duke, Duke Basketball Report

Common Opponents:  at Wisconsin (L 69-73), Wake Forest (W 90-70)

Series With Purdue: Purdue leads 4-2

Last Purdue win: 11/30/2003 78-68 at the Great Alaska Shootout

Last Duke win: 12/2/2008 76-60 at Purdue

Purdue and Duke have only played six times, but the two Blue Devil wins have been two of the most hard to take defeats in Purdue history. The last win was especially humbling, but the only other victory in 1994 was especially tough to swallow. The Blue Devils defeated Purdue 69-60 in Knoxville, Tennessee to eliminate the Big Dog Glenn Robinson's final Purdue team and deny Gene Keady possibly his best shot at a Final Four. It is entirely possible that Purdue wins the 1994 National Championship if it doesn't lose to Duke in that game. Purdue has only come as close to the Final Four once since in the fluke 2000 tournament. As a side note, Purdue did defeat Duke 68-60 to go to the 1980 Final Four in Indianapolis.

On paper, Duke is very similar to us statistically. John Scheyer (18.1 ppg, 4.9 apg), Kyle Singler (17.7ppg, 7 rpg), and Nolan Smith (17.2 ppg) are their JJ, Robbie, and E'Twaun. Smith is the E'Twaun in that he is an athletic scorer that can create his own shot while occasionally getting hot from long range. Singler is pretty much like Robbie in that he is a scorer and good rebounder. He can step out and hit the three. Scheyer is also a lot like Robbie, but distributes the ball better than he is a rebounder. All three are dangerous 3-point shooters that are better than 38% from long range.

While those three guys do the bulk of the scoring, Duke has plenty of front line talent that can make a huge difference in this game. Their supporting cast statistically contributes about the same as ours, but it is much bigger. Brian Zoubek , a 7'1" senior center allows Singler and Scheyer to take advantage of size advantages on the perimeter. Zoubek also went for 14 and 13 in their last game against California, so he can score. He's not quite the monster that Hasheem Thabeet was last year, but he is still quite menacing and he outweighs JJ easily.

Miles Plumlee and Mason Plumlee are a pair of brothers that have been very effective of late. Combined they average less than 10 points per game, but it is their size and athleticism that concerns me. If either one of them is in double figures as they are capable we are in trouble. They can also combine to eliminate JJ as a post presence with Zoubek if Duke wants to go big. This is before we even talk about 6'8" forward Lance Thomas. Thomas is only a five and five guy, but he is yet another big body that can bang down low and get JJ in foul trouble.

Duke plays more on the perimeter with Sheyer, Singler, and Smith, but Coach K has to recognize he has the personnel to go big and punish us on the glass with the Plumlees, Thomas, and Zoubek. Getting position on the glass will be critical just as it was in the Texas A&M game. Andre Dawkins and Ryan Kelly are guys that will probably play a few minutes for Duke. Dawkins is a decent 3-point shooting guard off the bench while Kelly is another 6'10 forward they can throw at us.

So how do we win this game? How do we attack five post players with only two on our end? This game will be won by Purdue if we can provide constant general disruption on defense to their offensive flow. We have to challenge every pass and every shot. We have to drag them down into our style of basketball. Duke can be beaten. They have some bad losses and a few too close for comfort wins against teams they should dominate.

North Carolina State, one of the worst teams in the ACC, beat Duke 88-74 by playing team basketball (18 assists) and shooting 58% from the field. Hassling them into sub 40% shooting from the field helped a lot too. Georgetown in their 89-77 win had a similar gameplan. Gerogia Tech got them by shutting down everyone but Scheyer. Finally, there was Wisconsin. The Badgers pretty much beat them up while playing an even game statistically. Dawkins had a 12 point game in Madison on four 3-pointers, but Wisconsin survived it.

We do not win this game without playing Purdue style basketball. We absolutely must share the basketball, take smart shots when they are there, and we have to shoot better overall than we have been shooting lately. We can't be afraid to attack the basket and get to the free throw line, either. Zoubek and Thomas are prone to foul trouble, so let's give that to them. I think we need to push tempo in transition to get some transition baskets. Creating offense from defense will be critical.

Finally, we have to wear them down. Scheyer, Singler, and Smith are the only players that play better than 30 minutes per night. They have a deep bench, but we have to wear them down anyway with our defense. They have played a few physical teams like Wisconsin and Florida State, but they haven't seen us since last year.

That's really what it comes down to. During the entire second half on Sunday I sat on my couch and I was practically sending vibes into my TV toward the guys with my mantra.

Just Keep Fighting.

That's what we have to do. We have to fight, scratch, and claw like mad bastards. We did it against Texas A&M and it paid off. They have more talent than us, but I think we are ready. It seemed like one huge defensive play spreads like a virus throughout our team. You have Kramer Moments for sure, but then you have other things. You have Ryne Smith tying up a guy who has 80 pounds on him. You have Lewis Jackson forcing the same guy to dribble out of the paint with scrapping defense. You have Keaton Grant flying in for a wild blocked shot, then later getting a steal and score in transition. You have JJ swatting key shots away at the biggest moments. You have D.J. Byrd flying in for an offensive tip in much to the dismay of a bigger, strong player who had position for what he thought was an easy rebound. We all need to be saying this, over and over all week.

Just Keep Fighting.

Just Keep Fighting.

JUST KEEP FIGHTING!!

Keys to the game for Purdue:

  • Lock down the perimeter and don't give up open looks
  • Don't be afraid to attack the basket
  • Defend like mad bastards
  • Feed off of Kramer Moments
  • Shoot the basketball with confidence
  • Get threes from Keaton Grant, Ryne Smith, and D.J. Byrd
  • Just Keep Fighting.
  • Just Keep Fighting.
  • JUST KEEP FIGHTING!!

Prediction: Purdue 65, Duke 64 (Side note: I hope you guys enjoy the Open Thread Champs banner)

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You said it right...

…just keep on fighting. We’ve shown we can beat a team with size if we just play with the Boilermaker heart of gold our team has had all season. I think Duke will come out expecting an easy win Friday just because of the match up issues they can create with all their size…if we can get a good start in the first half and come out surprising them, our second half “overdrive gear” will kick in and we can hang with them. If we can go into half not down 6 or more I think we can win this one.

by benjapal on Mar 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

My take on this game.....like I matter.....

I want to see what everyone else thinks….maybe I’m crazy…..

-I feel like we should play our same starting line-up, but after JJ get’s his first foul, immediately sub him out for Byrd or Bade for 3-4 minutes to prolong getting his second. Seems like once he gets #1, then #2 and #3 aren’t far behind and I would hate to see him sit the last 10 minutes of the first half. If he can only play 10-12 minutes the fist half, I’d rather it be spread out than all at once.

-Drive the lane early, and see if they’re going to call some fouls. Try to get to the line early and often.

-I would like to see Byrd play the post more, with our without JJ. I know Bade is bigger by 3" and 20lbs, but I feel like Byrd uses his weight better. Plus, once he grabs a ball it doesn’t get swatted out of his hands like Bade.

-I would also like to see Smith and Byrd play more minutes early in the game so they can take some shots with the least amount of pressure. I think these two could be the keys to winning, especially if we can get 8-10 points out of each of them.

-I don’t like how quick Painter is to sub in Barlow. He’s been losing the ball lately and committing backcourt fouls. I feel like the offense has been stalling when he’s in.

-Where is Hart? He’s awfully scrappy and can be pretty clutch if he gets some confidence early. I’d like to see him in the first round of subs…maybe he’s got the hot hand again like he did at Illinois.

-No more 3’s from Jackson, and I’d like to see CK take a couple more when he’s open.

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by chevys10 on Mar 23, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty good take

- I totally agree on the Byrd vs Bade argument. Byrd has been playing with a lot of grit and heart lately, and I think some Kramer is starting to rub off on him. Bade still seems a little sheepish, like he hasn’t come to grips with the fact that he’s not the biggest and strongest guy on the floor like he was in HS.

- I think the reason Hart and Smith haven’t seen as much playing time is that they tend to be a liability on defense. Smith had a couple mistakes, but made up for them on the other end. The few minutes Hart was in against A&M he got caught ball watching and let his guy get wide open two trips down the floor, and didn’t even make an attempt to crash the boards on either end. If he gets his head in the game like he did against UI, he’ll probably see more time. Like you said, maybe some time early in the game when the pressure’s not up will let them adjust better.

BTFU!

by BoilerAdam on Mar 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

I agree, Bryd should get more playing time. He’s definitely stepped up in a big way.

As for Hart and Smith, unless they come in and start hitting shots pretty quickly, I’m not sure they are an asset. Hart has gone cold since the Illinois game, and hasn’t done much of anything beneficial on either side. Smith hit a shot against A&M, but I feel like he doesn’t have the confidence to take more. If they can come in and start out with some confidence, I’m fine with leaving them in, but if they are just going to take up a spot on the floor, I’d rather have someone who will actually shoot.

We need people like CK and Bryd stepping up to contribute pts, because JJ and Moore/Grant are getting swarmed whenever they touch the ball. If the other two on the floor aren’t threats, thats another person who can keep our scorers from getting hot. We have to have threats in atleast 4 of the spots. Which is easily accomplish-able if CK stays hot and Bryd continues his improvement.

by AustinP0027 on Mar 23, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with your assessment of Ryne

Yeah, he’s “only” hit a few recently. But both his 1 vs. TAMU and the 2 vs. Siena came at swing stages of the game that started runs for us. Also, look at his percentage in these games: a combined 3/4 from 3pt range.

Fact is, he has been taking good shots, and making them. Yeah, there haven’t been a ton, but that’s because our offense isn’t working at getting him shots. He has just taken the opportunities given that come in the flow of the offense. Most of the time, it seems he gets a pass out of rhythm, or with a defender on top of him after he makes his first good look. It’s been very mature of him not to force shots in this situation.

I’m very happy with his play on offense. Hopefully he doesn’t make anymore boneheaded plays on defense (e.g. fouling a 3 point shooter), and I am very happy to give him more minute of Hart, and maybe even Barlow as long as LJ is doing fine. His shooting ability has changed the dynamic of both tournament games.

(Wow, I never thought I’d write a 3-paragraph essay on Smith this season!)

by Froggr on Mar 23, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confidence

Again, I didn’t say he was doing poorly, just that I felt he lacked confidence. Yes, he’s making the shots he’s taking, but I believe he should be taking more. He’s gotten a couple looks that he passed away (shot fake, pass on). I want him to take those. Obviously he can make them, so if he can get some confidence and drop 10 or so points in a game, I’d be more than happy with him.

But again, someone other than JJ/Moore/Grant needs to be taking shots. Those three will be the focus of the other team’s defense, so someone else should be getting some good looks.

by AustinP0027 on Mar 23, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Leave JJ in there no matter how many fouls he gets. That way you get your money’s worth. If Painter sits him for more time that he would have missed by fouling out, then you aren’t getting your money’s worth.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Mar 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great analysis

I am just hoping, praying that they win. I am still flying high from Sunday. Guys at work are so mad because “Purdue’s effin up my SECOND bracket”. I love it! Let’s go Boilers!!

by FSBoiler on Mar 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

TMill,

Check out the comments on this post about Chris Kramer and his mom. These people are scum of the earth.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Mar 23, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Classy!

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by BoilerTMill on Mar 23, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that was his intent

The biglead is a place where souls go to die…I tend to avoid.

"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
-Peyton Manning

by ZayJack on Mar 23, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy cow

Is that what we have come to now? This kid has to use the boards to take out his own Mommy issues? I agree PurdueMatt, scum of the earth.

It's a trick, get an ax

by tiptonian on Mar 23, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second that

I’m so happy to have a place to actually DISCUSS Purdue sports, not just yell via the interwebs. You can’t even read the comments over on the J&C without having to sift through the uneducated rantings of numerous IU/ND fans, flamers and straight Purdue haters. At least they’ve all had the decency to leave the mothers out of this. Dorothy Mantooth is a Saint!

Lord, jager me strength.

by doublegoldandblack on Mar 23, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys

It means a lot to me, and honestly, I don’t have to moderate too much. There have been some spammers lately and I had to clean how with some of the ruder elements of the Syracuse invasion, but that’s it.

You guys can flag things and I can deal with them instantly. It’s awesome.

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by BoilerTMill on Mar 23, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Third it.

I only found this blog because I was sick of all the stuff I read on ESPN’s constantly. It’s great to be able to have a discussion without worrying that the person you are arguing with is going to start spewing profanity when they disagree with you.

This is probably one of the first forums that I haven’t seen fall into Goodwin’s law.

by AustinP0027 on Mar 23, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

That quote is now on the front page.

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by BoilerTMill on Mar 23, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would also like to say

I love the banner

It's a trick, get an ax

by tiptonian on Mar 23, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

holy crap

sure would be nice to make that kid even more famous. Here’s to a perfect bracket for him!

Lord, jager me strength.

by doublegoldandblack on Mar 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth...

MSU had a really good team… was super pumped to host Duke in the big-ten/ACC challenge… and got absolutely demolished (30 point blow-out or close to it). Next time MSU and Duke meet up MSU ends up playing #1 seed Duke in the sweet sixteen and comes out and spanks them.

Maybe history will repeat itself sort of :-)

by MooTheKow on Mar 23, 2010 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I can live with that.

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by BoilerTMill on Mar 23, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear!

To your call once more we rally....

by BoilerPaulie on Mar 23, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rindercella

Though seeded higher, we were considered upset winners of our first two games. Come Friday, we are picked by most everyone to lose in round 3.

I actually read one guy describe Purdue as a ‘vitural Cinderella’. If that’s true, it’s time to tell the story backwards, put the dookies to bed, and slop our dripper outside the big ball at Lucas come April.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJv_YXIXBsE

by boilerslim on Mar 23, 2010 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments

The first comment in the Duke wrap up that you linked to is eery. Hope we can “pull an MSU”

by ElijahJones22 on Mar 23, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

My main worry. Is that it seems like without Hummel all that work we used to where we’d pass the ball around the perimeter until a man gets open only seems to work now if either Moore or Grant comes open, which teams now try to cut down on. One of the big reasons for the win against A&M was that Byrd was able to get a couple threes when they left him open. It seems like that’s something we’ll need, a third perimeter scorer for at least a couple of buckets. Otherwise, it seems like the offense (other than JJ’s jumpers and post moves) is all about Cramer, Jackson and Barlow slashing to the hoop. Cramer is pretty smart about it, but he gets stripped often, LewJack is just out of rhythm this year and Barlow isn’t quite as polished as he needs to be. Plus Barlow and Jackson seem to make these bolts to the hoop at the oddest times. I just don’t see much of that working against Duke’s bigs.

I have a lot of skepticism about this matchup, but obviously a lot of it depends on hustling and playing defense to level out the potential offensive woes. It doesn’t make me any less excited about the game and I’m glad we were able to get back to where we were last year. But, I sincerely feel like we are a big underdog in this game and it’s going to take a lot of breaks to win in. But winning it would sweet.

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by Wonko on Mar 24, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and because this doesn't get said enough

I love the way this team gets back in transition. A lot of it has to do with Cramer, but Grant, Barlow and Moore do it as well. I’ve watched a lot of other teams this year try to defend in transition and they usually have to just back off, foul the guy or end up covering the wrong. Purdue doesn’t stop every bucket in transition, but they sure make those baskets look two inches wide and they rarely foul.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong.

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by Wonko on Mar 24, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kramer with a K

I like the points that you’re making though! :)

by ElijahJones22 on Mar 24, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few comments

Duke fan here. I have to say after reading the boards on goldandblack.com and this site, I think you guys are great fans. You are all about the positives of your team and not hating the other team. And I love the way your team plays ball. Duke fans are not taking this game lightly at all. I have read more than one thread called “What scares you about Purdue?”

Two thoughts only for insight purposes. Duke’s two blow out losses loss were against teams with dominant big men. Tracy Smith and Greg Monroe. Both games were before Zoubek started playing really well. He wasn’t even starting then and only played 2 minutes in the Georgetown game and 14 in the NC state game.

I think your biggest match up problem is going to be Singler at 6’8 he can post up your guards unless JJ comes to help which will leave one of our big guys open. Kramer is a great defender but hes 6’3" and I am guessing he will be on Nolan Smith.

Good luck guys. May the hardest working team win!

by gwlaw on Mar 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Duke not liked here either

While we tend to focus on the positives of our team, please don’t interpret that as not disliking the other team (does anyone other than dookies like duke?).

Probably not wise to wish the “hardest working team win!” If I were you, I would be pulling for the biggest and/or most talented.

The good news for duke is, that Purdue will be a good test to see if you are once again tough enough to win it all.

by Boilers2Indy on Mar 25, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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