A battle for First Place: Michigan State preview
This is the big one, and I probably jinxed us. If we play in typical Purdue fashion, we go out and lose badly tonight in the national spotlight, thus inviting all kinds of criticism from those that showed up yesterday. Honestly, we would be open to it too. This is a statement game tonight. A win allows us to take control of the Big Ten and our national destiny in terms of seeding. In Joe Lunardi's most recent bracket we are three seed behind West Virginia (a team we soundly defeated) and Michigan State. A loss probably knocks us from the top two seed discussion, and rightfully so. It is our fault for blowing the Ohio State game at home and for losing at Northwestern.
This game takes on added importance because of those losses. If we had held on to just one of those games, especially Ohio State at home, we would be fine in the Big Ten race even with a loss. Now, we almost need this game. With the Buckeyes heading to East Lansing later this month there is a great chance that Michigan State could get another loss before coming to Mackey Arena, but we also must go to Ohio State and I am not confident about that game at all.
Right now, we are the Big Ten's best chance at a top 2 seed because of our spotless non-conference record and the good wins over West Virginia, Wake Forest, and Tennessee. We won't get there, however, without a win either tonight or in Columbus and a share of the Big ten title.
2009-10 Record: 19-5, 9-2 Big Ten
2008-09 Record: 31-7, 15-3 Big Ten (lost in National Championship game to North Carolina 89-72)
Blog Representation: The Only Colors, SpartyMSU
Series with Purdue: Purdue leads 62-44
Last Purdue win: 72-54 at Purdue on 2/17/09
Last Michigan State win: 62-51 at Michigan State on 3/8/09
Last Purdue win at Michigan State: 99-96 (OT) on 3/1/1998
The numbers above help to paint the most frustrating part of being a Purdue basketball fan. We currently lead the all-time series with every Big Ten team save one (We're tied with Ohio State). We have more Big Ten titles than anyone, yet we have done virtually nothing on a national stage. I admit, this is why I cry out for respect like yesterday, but we won't get it until we do something on a national scale. Tonight's game can help that.
The Michigan State-Purdue series has been great the past few seasons. The home team has won the last six regular season contests. The last two years have featured four games that played a large role in the Big Ten standings. Two years ago an early season loss in East Lansing (sans Robbie Hummel) cost us the Big Ten title. Last year we had a resounding win in West Lafayette that kept us alive in the race until a late season slide.
So far this season Michigan State has been good, but they have struggled in high profile games. They lost non-conference games to Florida, North Carolina, and Texas. All there of those teams are currently struggling as North Carolina is in danger of missing the NCAA's, Florida is on the Bubble, and Texas has fallen from #1 to outside the top 10. In conference play they played with fire by winning close games at Minnesota and Michigan, but finally got burned at Wisconsin and Illinois. All of those losses occurred away from East Lansing.
A major reason that the Illinois game was a loss is the main subplot to tonight's game. Guard Kalin Lucas (15.6 ppg, 4 apg) did not play after spraining his ankle against Wisconsin. I watched most of the Illinois game and I think it is an MSU win if Lucas plays. Lucas simply makes the Spartans go. His experience, calm demeanor, and talent drives Michigan State. He won both the Minnesota and Michigan games with a late basket, so he is clearly their go to player if they need a score.
The big question of tonight is: will he or won't he play? The Only Colors seems to think he will at least give it a go, but he will likely be limited in minutes and what he can do. Outside of Lucas the Spartans have very balanced scoring from Durrell Summers (10.8 ppg,) Raymar Morgan (10.8 ppg, Senior CLASS award candidate with Chris Kramer), and Draymond Green (10.5 ppg, 8 rpg). This team is so balanced because few teams share the basketball as well as Michigan State. The Spartans are averaging 17.9 assists per game. That is good for fourth in the country behind Notre Dame, Syracuse (further proof I was wrong yesterday) and Sam Houston State.
Michigan State does it much like the Orange and the Irish by spreading those assists around. No player averages more than Lucas' four per game, but five players average at least two dimes per game. This allows Michigan State to control the tempo and play with patience against good defenses. Michigan State is also a great rebounding team (nearly 40 per game) and they will crash the offensive glass. We have to make a conscious effort to keep them off the glass. Another craptacular effort like the Northwestern game will result in us getting owned on the glass.
Michigan State does this without much size. Last year they had a big bruiser in Goran Suton. This year, only Garrick Sherman (2.2 ppg, 8 mpg), a freshman, is taller than 6'8". Michigan State does its rebounding by sheer effort of will. I am impressed by their ability to rebound because they make it a priority and everyone works for it. We have to match that intensity on the glass.
If Lucas cannot go or is limited we will see 5'11" sophomore Korie Lucious at the point. He plays about 24 minutes per game regularly and scores 5.1 while averaging 3.8 assists). He hasn't reached double figures in scoring since the loss to Texas. Chris Allen (9.1 ppg) and Delvon Roe (7.4 ppg) play plenty of minutes, while we might also see Austin Thornton and Derrick Nix. Nix and Thornton play less than 10 minutes per game and average less than two points, but they have been known to contribute from time to time.
I think the biggest player in this game will be JaJuan Johnson. We are at our best when he is playing well in the post and hitting his jumper when he steps out to the top of the key. He can have a big game tonight because he will be the biggest player on the court for most of the night. He has stayed out of foul trouble recently, but there is always the chance those troubles can come back.
Defensively, we must be wary of the Spartans because they are a great shooting team. They don't rely on the 3-pointer, but they still shoot it fairly well. They also shoot 48.5% from the field overall. They are not a great free throw shooting team at 68.7%, but Lucas, Summers, Allen, and Luscious are great closers at 80% or better. Michgian State currently ranked 13th in the country in shooting percentage. I also look even more foolish as Syracuse ranks #1 at 53.1%. Please consider yesterday's entry #1 on "the list of things I wish I had never written."
Honestly, I am not liking the numbers going into this game. I am also not liking our tendency to allow late 3-pointers while we're trying to hold a lead. If Lucas plays he is going to take an already great crowd to another level. Michigan State has declared a white out, so let's hope they have the same luck that Penn State did with those in football this year.
I am encouraged by the fact that MSU has struggled with turnovers at times this year. While they share the ball well, they turn the ball over almost 15 times per game. We're going to have to get to that number tonight, especially if we struggle to rebound.
Much of this game depends on the status of Lucas. I think we have an excellent chance if he does not play. If he plays and is ineffective, we have a decent chance. If he plays and is effective, we will struggle. We have to play better defense than we did against Indiana as well. It is interesting that this is our last "first look" at a team in the conference this year. I thank the Big Ten for saving the best for last.
Keys to the game for Purdue:
- Create matchup problems with JJ in the post
- Play better perimeter defense
- Lewis Jackson and Chris Kramer must prevent drives
- Get bench contributions from Keaton Grant, John Hart, etc.
- Don't succumb to the crowd
- Everyone must work to rebound
Prediction: Michigan Stat 72, Purdue 68
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My Key is
get JJ his touches inside so he can get his 8 points. We are 18-0 when he gets at least 8 points and 0-3 when he doesnt. This number seems alot like the magic number 65 last year in terms of defense.
by Delaware Boiler on Feb 9, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully more than 8.
Not sure that’s going to get it done at the Breslin.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting JJ the ball inside will definitely be key
If he’s having to catch at the foul line or beyond, it’s going to be a long night. His 19 foot jumper is good, but if he’s taking that shot, there is zero chance of an offensive rebound.
I have a hard time believing Lucas can be 100% by tonight. Kramer’s sprain wasn’t nearly as severe and he’s been a step slow for the last few games. So much of what Lucas can do is based on his ability to accelerate and change direction and those are the hardest moves on a bum ankle.
The Izzone will give them a lift but if Purdue plays a solid game and really gets after the boards, I think the Boilers will get it done: Purdue 75, MSU 68.
Lord, beer me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Feb 9, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Even if Lucas plays, there is no way he plays at or near 100%. Watching the Illinois game, I think Lucious is a liability for them, especially in the turnover department. Given that Kramer has had some time to heal, this is a defensive mismatch that we will be exploiting I’m sure. I’m not counting them out, since they have so many weapons and the Izzone, but I don’t see them winning if JJ has any presence in the paint tonight. You just can’t pick up the slack for a guy like Lucas being out. I think the Boilers win by 5 or less.
Hammer and Rails
The only Purdue blog at that web address.
by TelePunk5 on Feb 9, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
enough apologizing...
Great blog! Been reading it since the beginning of the season when I realized ESPN doesn’t have a dedicated Big Ten blogger for Bball like they do for football.
After reading the comments from yesterdays post and your apology post this morning, I think you’ve more than made your peace with the Orange contingent.
On to tonight… I think a solid defensive presence from Kramer’s going to be essential tonight as much as JJs point total. He’s been fairly quiet since he twisted his ankle and hopefully he’s back to 100%. On the same subject of ankles, I don’t think Lucas’ presence will be as big of a factor simply because if he does play, he likely won’t be 100%. Also, similar to Trevon Hughes in our last Wisconsin game, I think he’s had too many last minute saves to-date and statistically speaking, should miss that shot this time around.
I think Purdue wins this one… 70-62.
by Shildy on Feb 9, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Tmill, I’m not sure if something happened behind the scenes, but enough with apologizing bud.
by BoilerNick on Feb 9, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most cuse fans were great
There were just some that chose to be insulting instead of civil both here and via e-mail.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
by BoilerTMill on Feb 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why...
…you need to stop giving it attention. You’re too good for that. You do far too much work and research to let ignorant people impact your writing.
[insert prophetic yet obnoxiously haughty and annoying quote here]
by J Money BS on Feb 9, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to put too much importance on one game
But this is a big game. With the Big Ten having so many teams bunched near the top, it’s the difference between being tied for first or in fifth place. I also think getting J.J. going is the key. Going on the road is difficult and it is definitely a game that would make any fan nervous, but I would rather go in on our winning streak than the 2 game losing streak that MSU is coming in on. I think this team will be up for it. Purdue wins a close game, 75-71.
by boilerg on Feb 9, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yup, it's huge.
To win the conference and get a 1- or 2-seed, we can’t lose more than one more game before the postseason. If we lose it now, well, it seems very unlikely their either of those things will happen.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to kill me waiting until 9PM for this game.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Me too
At the end of the game I’m either going to be ecstatic and have the best week ever (Brees winning the Super Bowl and the Boilers winning at Michigan St.) or I’m going to, well I don’t even want to contemplate the alternative.
by boilerg on Feb 9, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't drink for the IU game so that I can go nuts tonight.
Michigan boy, so this one is about 50 times more important. I will probably cry myself to sleep if we lose.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That presupposes you'll be able to sleep
The other downside to a 9pm start (other than having to wait until 9) is that I’ll be amped up until at least 12.
Lord, beer me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Feb 9, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have ESPN Insider??
The game predictor on ESPN.com has a teaser for tonights game… just wondering what the analyzer kicks out as a prediction but I’m not an “Insider” to be able to see it. Anyone else?
by Shildy on Feb 9, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's a nice interview with Painter on the ESPN game preview page, btw.
I didn’t notice it earlier. Phone interview with ESPN’s First Take.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Painter interview
Interesting point from the interview is when they ask Painter where this team is on a 1-10 scale with 10 being where they can and should be at tourney time. Painter gave the team a 5. I like that he’s not holding back and that he was very put off by the performance (especially first half) at IU.
by ElijahJones22 on Feb 9, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat Sparty
there is a great article in today’s Wall St. Journal on the state of the Boilers.
payback time for Sparty knocking us out of a bowl this year.
Get this W!!!
Our time is Now!!!!
Boiler Up!
by boilers89 on Feb 9, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, there is.
That’s pretty badass. Here’s the link.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well written too, with good information.
None of it’s new to us, of course, but it’s cool to see that get out nationally.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't like it
We didn’t like that WSJ article at BS. I had an exchange with the author about it…. they trumpet (as usual) IU’s five national titles, but ignore Purdue’s one. He told me it was less legit b/c it was before a tourney… however, two of IUs were NCAA titles when the NIT was the more respected/serious tourney.
They also downplayed Purdue’s academics, in our opinion…. it’s good to get positive press, but his story had a slant of how unsuccessful Purdue has always been when that’s kind of a hard argument to make.
[insert prophetic yet obnoxiously haughty and annoying quote here]
by J Money BS on Feb 9, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the one thing that annoyed me was that academics.
I guess the IU thing doesn’t bother me too much since I’m not a native, but the “(Purdue) lacks the academic cachet of the top-tier public schools” was ridiculous.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Purdue's academics
ya, I’m not sure where he got that. It’s consistently in the top 10 engineering schools in the nation.
by PurdueEnginerd on Feb 9, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Purdue University ranked 22nd among the nation’s public universities and 61st among all universities, according to U.S.News & World Report magazine rankings released Aug. 20, 2009.
… ya, apparently that’s not good. alright…
by PurdueEnginerd on Feb 9, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sent him an e-mail about Purdue Academics
I hear you, Mr [last name removed] The article did note Purdue’s excellence in the sciences. As a whole, though, Purdue traditionally places behind Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Carolina and a handful of other publics in the rankings, which is what we were loosely referring to.
Thanks for reading …
That’s his reply…
by PurdueEnginerd on Feb 9, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, while he does mention “aerospace and science”, he makes it sound as if it all happened in the past.
I guess “Purdue lacks the academic cachet of the top-tier public schools” might be technically correct, if he’s comparing to Cal, UCLA, or UofM…but that phrase does not do the school justice. If you’re going to start talking academics, then you need to get more specific than that.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The statement was about winning the NCAA tournament.
The WSJ article stated that Indiana has won the NCAA tournament 5 times while Purdue has never won it. This is a factual statement. I’m struggling with how to put this so it comes off as politely as I mean it to (believe me I do understand the “in-state inferiority complex”)…but even if you discount the two NCAA titles that occurred when the NIT was more prestigious… Indiana has been more successful nationally than Purdue. Especially during the tournament era, which I think was the authors intention.
It’s not easy being the “other in-state B10 school”, so I definitely empathize with your dislike of the authors slant of basically, “even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally”.
Good luck tonight, I was a student at MSU the last time you guys won up there. I turned to my then roommate as they lowered the B10 champs banner before the game and said, “that was a mistake”. As tough a place as Breslin is to play in (and Mackey just the same for us)…this is probably your best chance since then.
by MSULaxer27 on Feb 9, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's weird to think of Keady and Painter as Mr.
I always assumed when they applied for a credit card that instead of “Mr.” or “Dr”. they marked “other” and wrote in Coach.
The academic dig does sting a bit. As much as it pains me to admit, UM does have a better national reputation for academics, but I have a hard time believing Purdue is as far behind as the author makes us sound.
Lord, beer me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Feb 9, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Insider
Shildy, here you go:
Michigan State 71.8
Purdue 66.0
Accuscore winning % (no idea what this even means):
Michigan State 67.9%
Purdue 32.1%
by Syracuse Ben on Feb 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Accuscore
i think is they run a simulation of the game 10000 or 10000 times and that is the percentage of times each team won the score is the average score for the teams playing across all the games
by Delaware Boiler on Feb 9, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lucas in or out...
Thanks man! I wonder if it took Lucas in or out the equation in the simulation at all.
BedED has Purdue as a 2.5 point underdog out in Vegas. Despite the simulation and the odds, I still think Purdue can pull off the upset. Time to see what we’re made of… again!
by Shildy on Feb 9, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any thoughts
on what would be better for us, a Wisconsin win or a Illinois win? I guess it doesn’t matter too much, but I need something to occupy my mind until the big game starts.
by boilerg on Feb 9, 2010 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Illinois
at least in terms of the conference race. Purdue still gets Illinois at home to go for the sweep. Wisconsin already has the split.
Lord, beer me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Feb 9, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Illnois, no doubt.
The rest of Wisconsin’s schedule is a cakewalk.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
since we did beat Illinois on the road and looking closer at their schedules, it does appear that Illinois has a tougher schedule the rest of the way. I wish there was a way they could both lose.
by boilerg on Feb 9, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried about Illinois finishing ahead of us whatsoever.
Their schedule is truly brutal. However, at this point, I’m more worried about Wisconsin than MSU. There’s no way they lose more than one (except for tonight) the rest of the year.
by rcpratt on Feb 9, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Illinois is by far the best team they face the rest of the way out. If the Illini can steal one in Madison we’re in business
Lord, beer me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Feb 9, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Illinois will lose 3 more, minimum
Lord, beer me strength.
by doublegoldandblack on Feb 9, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs













