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Battling for a #1 seed

Last night's win officially puts our destiny in our hands. I know we're probably getting ahead of ourselves, but with just five regular season games remaining it is hard not to think about our chances for a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament. All told, we have at minimum six and at most eight games left before selection Sunday. I think if we make the final of the Big Ten Tournament in Indianapolis the result of that game will not matter in the seeding. It seemed not to make much difference last year, as I felt we would get a four based on our win and we were slotted with a bad five. Therefore, I am throwing that game out unless it is a gross aberration of a matchup (i.e. we face an 11th seeded Penn State in the final and they beat us for the auto-bid).

With that in mind, I think we are competing for a #1 seed with five other teams at the moment. There are a handful of teams that can still climb into the discussion, but they would need help in the way of multiple losses by some of these teams. Here are my six #1 seed contenders as of right now:

Kansas (25-1)

Kentucky (25-1)

Syracuse (24-2)

Villanova (22-3)

Purdue (22-3)

Duke (22-4)

Now, let's look at the positives and negatives of each, along with their overall profiles, starting with Purdue:

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Purdue Boilermakers (22-3, 10-3 Big Ten) RPI: 9

Top 25 RPI wins: #5 West Virginia, #13 Wake Forest, #15 Wisconsin, #18 Tennessee (neutral court), at #24 Michigan State.

Top 50 RPI wins: at #42 Ohio State

Losses: at #15 Wisconsin, #42 Ohio State, at #90 Northwestern

Positives: Diversity of wins (Top 25 wins are across four different conferences), 6-2 in true road games (4 wins at top 100 teams)

Negatives: The Big Ten is weak after the top 5, #43 SOS, lowest RPI of six contenders, weak remaining schedule

Remaining schedule: #69 Illinois, at #80 Minnesota, #24 Michigan State, #208 Indiana, at #207 Penn State

Verdict: I think if the tournament began today it would be a very close battle between Purdue and Villanova for the final #1 seed. The Wildcats may have a slight edge based on a much tougher schedule and their three losses are better than Purdue's three losses thanks to Northwestern. Next Saturday's game at Syracuse is huge for both squads. I think Purdue still has some work to do, but is in a very good shape as long as they win the next five. Finishing with two sub.-200 teams and a likely sub.-100 team in round one of the Big Ten Tournament will hurt, but it cannot be helped.

Kansas Jayhawks (25-1, 11-0 Big 12) RPI: 1

Top 25 RPI wins: #11 Baylor, at #12 Temple, at #17 Texas A&M, #21 California

Top 50 RPI wins: #27 Texas, #38 Missouri, #43 Texas Tech

Losses: at #18 Tennessee

Positives: Only one loss and it is far from bad, leading a major conference with an unbeaten record, Diversity of wins.

Negatives: None, really.

Remaining schedule: #132 Colorado, #93 Oklahoma, at #32 Oklahoma State, #7 Kansas State, at #38 Missouri

Verdict: Kansas is more than safe at this point. They could likely suffer two losses in these last five games and still cruise to a #1 seed, so long as those losses aren't to Colorado and Oklahoma in Lawrence. The one loss is slightly bad because Tennessee wasn't at full strength, but the Volunteers are still playing good basketball. The top 50 wins are all great, and they have an excellent chance to get at least three more against a tough finishing stretch. I think Kansas would almost have to try to not get a #1 seed at this point.

Kentucky Wildcats (25-1, 10-1 SEC) RPI: 3

Top 25 RPI wins: #16 Vanderbilt, #18 Tennessee

Top 50 RPI wins: #48 Connecticut (neutral floor), #30 Louisville,

Losses: at #76 South Carolina

Positives: Only one loss, and it isn't an awful one, Several dominant wins

Negatives: Lowest SOS of contenders (49), near loss to #175 Stanford

Remaining schedule: at #16 Vanderbilt, #76 South Carolina, at #18 Tennessee, at #96 Georgia, #60 Florida.

There is no question that Kentucky is an excellent basketball team. Unfortunately, they have barely played anyone. Some of their better wins by name, such as Stanford and North Carolina, aren't as good now as they were then. Syracuse, unfortunately, is suffering from the same problem. It is hard to judge a team with a lot of wins if those wins have come over inferior competition. They don't have great chances to finish with better wins because they still have to play their two best wins again. They do get a shot to avenge their lone loss. Purdue was successful in its two avenging games, but will not get a second chance at Northwestern. Ultimately, If Kentucky finishes the regular season with just one loss, or even two, it will get a number one seed. Their real test will come in the tournament.

Syracuse Orange (24-2, 11-2 Big East) RPI: 4

Top 25 RPI wins: at #5 West Virginia, #8 Georgetown, #21 California

Top 50 RPI wins: #48 Connecticut, at #50 Cincinnati

Losses: #14 Pittsburgh, #30 Louisville

Positives: Two current top 10 wins, chance for two more, Leading Big East, undefeated on road, no bad losses.

Negatives: Both losses have been at home

Remaining schedule: at #8 Georgetown, at #110 Providence, #6 Villanova, #81 St. John's, at #30 Louisville

Verdict: Syracuse has a tough remaining schedule, but if they survive it they should have a number 1 seed with ease. They can avenge one of their two losses by winning at Louisville, and that would be realtively equal to Purdue avenging their loss to Ohio State. A sweep of Georgetown would also be a major bonus. Because of the tough schedule, however, Syracuse could still easily lose three of its final five. Louisville would love to have a sweep of the Orange on their resume, and Georgetown and Villanova can certainly beat them. That makes their last five a high risk/high reward scenario.

Villanova Wildcats (22-3, 11-2 overall) RPI: 6

Top 25 RPI wins: #8 Georgetown, at #5 West Virginia,

Top 50 RPI wins: at #30 Louisville, #36 Dayton (neutral floor), #49 Mississippi

Losses: at #12 Temple, at #8 Georgetown, #48 Connecticut,

Positives: Won an excellent early season tournament in Puerto Rico, no bad losses

Negatives: None really

Remaining schedule: at #14 Pittsburgh, #56 South Florida, at #4 Syracuse, at #50 Cincinnati, #5 West Virginia

Verdict: Villanova easily has the toughest remaining schedule with all five games left coming against current top 60 teams. Because of that, I think a perfect run gives them a top seed. The key game is the game at Syracuse that will likely go a long way in deciding the Big East title. This is a team with no bad losses and solid guard play. It will be interesting to see what would happen if they played a team with a dominant big man, but that is down the road a bit. South Florida and Cincinnati are bubble teams to watch out for.

Duke Blue Devils (22-4, 10-2 ACC) RPI: 2

Top 25 RPI wins: #20 Gonzaga (neutral floor), #13 Wake Forest,

Top 50 RPI  wins: #48 Connecticut (neutral floor), #37 Maryland, #28 Georgia Tech, at #35 Clemson, #35 Clemson, #40 Florida State,

Losses: at #8 Georgetown, at #128 NC State, at #28 Georgia Tech, at #15 Wisconsin

Positives: Lots of good wins, undefeated at home, comfortably leading a major conference.

Negatives: Not a good road team, worst loss of the group

Remaining Schedule: #47 Virginia Tech, #71 Tulsa, at #109 Virginia, at #37 Maryland, #79 North Carolina

Verdict: This is probably the weakest overall profile here. Duke has the fewest elite wins of the six teams, they have a truly bad loss (NC State), and they have struggled in their big road games. In fact, they are just 1-3 on the road against top 50 teams. They still have some hop though if a few teams above them stumble. There isn't a lot of heft left in the remaining schedule either. An upset this weekend by Virginia Tech means they may not even win the ACC.

Final analysis: If the season were to end right now I think we have two clear number ones in Kansas and Kentucky. They can survive multiple losses at this point as long as they are the right kind of losses. Then you have the last two number one seeds being divided among Purdue, Syracuse, and Villanova. I would honestly give a slight edge to the two Big East schools right now, but the Syracuse-Villanova game will be a big one. The loser will have a tough time holding off Purdue if the Boilers win their last five games.

At that point, it probably does come down to the conference tournaments. Assuming Purdue and the Syracuse-Villanova loser wins their remaining games, the team with the deeper run in their tournament would get the #1 in my book. Again, this is where the Big Ten Tournament final coming on Selection Sunday hurts. The Big East finished Saturday night, possibly with another Syracuse-Villanova game. If Purdue plays someone like Wisconsin in the final it may not factor in much because it is so late. Also in consideration is that you're often splitting very close profiles when looking at that fourth #1 seed. Right now, our loss at Northwestern is a small, but noticeable, difference between us and the profiles of Syracuse and Villanova.

So as you see, we still have a lot of work to do, and we probably still need some help.

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I'm not too worried either way.

The difference between the final 1 seed and the first 2 seed is negligible. But a 1 would be cool.

by rcpratt on Feb 18, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

One game at a time, just like the team....

….I’m not thinking past the Illini on Saturday. The rest will take care of itself.

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by carmen_fanzone on Feb 18, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, gotta take it one game at a time

Illinois, at Minnesota and Michigan St are not going to be cakewalks. If we’re worthy of a #1 seed we’ll beat them, but they’re going to be gunning for us. Minnesota looked very solid tonight. I’ll wait till a week from Saturday before I start thinking about tournament seeding.

by boilerg on Feb 18, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

Wisconsin down.

Guess we don’t have to worry about that anymore. Although going to Minnesota is now scary.

by rcpratt on Feb 18, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Watch out for Penn State!

No, just kidding.

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by ReadingRambler on Feb 19, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The Badgers didn't do us any favors

The last thing I think any of us wanted to see was a confident Minnesota team that’s playing hard.

Lord, beer me strength.

by doublegoldandblack on Feb 19, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

SU will Sweep the final Five Games

With our win last night and season sweep of G’Town we will sweep our remaining four games. We beat G’Town bad and still won with 2 of our big men fouled out of the game. That is the only reason this game got close. If there weren’t stupid foul problems we would have crushed them. What you saw in the first half and the first 7.5 minutes of the 2nd half was the real Cuse team and what we do against people on their court, at home, or at a neutral site. Here’s what I think the final four is going to look like.

1 seed Syracuse
1 seed Kansas or 3 seed W Virg
1 seed Purdue
2 seed Villanova

This is based on the way the brackets are right now. Since Kansas plays in a so so conference and has almost lost to teams like Texas A&M and Cornell, I see them having a handful with West Virginia and I see WVU scorng the upset.

Also, Kentucky and Villanova will be coming out of the same regional and this is where inexperience and lack of real competition comes to bite Kentucky square on the ass. Villanova waxes them.

I see Purdue facing G’Town in a very exciting match up. This will be awesome. I have a feeling G’Town could give Purdue problems but I also think Purdue is just too much for them and they roll.

Syracuse would more than likely face Duke and I don’t see a team of almost all white guys giving SU any real problems. No offense to white dudes, I’m white, but SU is just far more talented.

This is my take on this years final four as the brackets stand right now. Obviously this could change. But regardless I do not see Kentucky in that final four line up regardless of seeding and I think Kansaas is going to get upset as well.

Matt

by Phoenixcusefan on Feb 19, 2010 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

dont see duke getting to the elite eight unless upsets behind them

however i see duke as the team that could beat the 2-3 zozne because of their outside shooting ability.

by Delaware Boiler on Feb 19, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

They have a small chance just like most teams but highly unlikely that Duke get’s in the way.

Matt

by Phoenixcusefan on Feb 19, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I hope the players aren't overlooking Nova

Although I do think (and hope) Syracuse will win.

In other news, if we get a draw similar to Lunardi’s latest…

I will be thrilled. GTown has been overrated all season…pretty easy 4/5 draw…I don’t know much about KSU this season but I’d much rather see them than Nova or Duke.

by rcpratt on Feb 19, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d be more worried about Cornell than any other team in this list. They are very good and lost to Kansas by 4. They are capable of beating anybody any night.

Matt

by Phoenixcusefan on Feb 19, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

also capable of losing to an absolutely horrible Penn team, if you think Cornell has the second best chance of coming out of that region behind Purdue, you are probably on crack

by Loretta8 on Feb 19, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

No, what I’m saying is that Cornell is capable of beating any team including Purdue. If you don’t think this to be true than you haven’t been watching college hoops that well. Don’t think this team is a joke because they’re in the IVY League. They are very tuff this year. And what I’m saying is any team with smarts that is in this region should not overlook Cornell or they could find themselves kicking themselves due to an early exit out of the tourney. The Penn St team caught them on a bad night just like N’Western caught Purdue. So don’t go there.

Matt

by Phoenixcusefan on Feb 19, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Cornell shouldn't be overlooked

But I don’t see them winning three games they shouldn’t to get to us. One maybe, not three.

Also, they lost to 4-14 Penn, which is quite different than Penn St.

by rcpratt on Feb 19, 2010 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It wouldn’t surprise me the least if they knocked off GTown or a Kansas St. The Penn St loss was a bad one but every team is suspect to that. Purdue lost to NWestern and SU lost Lville. Any given night somebody can be off.

Matt

by Phoenixcusefan on Feb 19, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

they lost to the Penn Quakers, not Penn State. Penn is about 100 times worse than Northwestern or Louisville. Sure Cornell could pull off a couple upsets, however they’re far from a lock to even get the Ivy League auto-bid at this point.

Kansas State, Georgetown, Wake Forest and BYU are all far superior teams to Cornell, and it’s not particularly close.

by Loretta8 on Feb 19, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

missouiri is a team that would scare me

they have depth and play at such a frantic pace that our front court depth could be exposed on fouls

by Delaware Boiler on Feb 19, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Miss is very scary! I saw their last game and they look good. Miss St is also scary. They should of beat UK.

Matt

by Phoenixcusefan on Feb 19, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be our luck

A 1 seed, but have to face BYU in SLC in the Sweet 16. A rematch with Wake would be nice though.

by BoilerPhil on Feb 19, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Mizzou

That would be tricky with their full court defense. We haven’t handled defenses like that very well.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 19, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Indiana lose to them in the tournament once?

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 19, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, that'd be *Western* Carolina

I have to admit there’ve been some good close 1-16 matchups lately. There seems to be 1 a year. But I think Purdue can/should nail it down.

by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 20, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"Well, I hope the players aren't overlooking Nova"

Wouldn’t bet on that…for the past month the big concern is that everyone might be too busy looking ahead to Nova.

by K-Gun on Feb 20, 2010 6:22 AM EST up reply actions  

foul problems

I think Georgetown fans could argue that part of Syracuse’s strategy was to pace their fouls so they don’t play too soft, yet don’t quite foul out.

Purdue had a similar game in the NCAA tournament against Washington—Jon Brockman, Washington’s center, just got stronger, and Washington closed the gap. The stronger of big men often do. He gave up 3in to JJ but weighed 30 pounds more.

Winning at Georgetown is impressive, but I don’t think that their late rally can be discounted so the game’s a blowout. Part of the good side of having a big man is that he wears the other team down. Boeheim played his cards well not to let Monroe take over the game and not to spend too much time with his starters fouled out.

Syracuse’s schedule looks favorable and I suspect they will be able to work past Louisville. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go 4-0. KenPom has Cuse losing .81 games with a 33% chance of running the table. I guess their situation is similar to Purdue’s, with all games it seems they should win, but opponents have potential for an upset. That’s the sort of crucible that determines #1 seeds.

Would love to see Purdue vs Georgetown on general principles since the 2 teams haven’t played since 1980.

by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 19, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Good points. I agree. That’s why this time of year is awesome aside from the stress our teams sometimes cause. LOL!!!

Matt

by Phoenixcusefan on Feb 19, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you paid attention to college basketball this year?

I don’t doubt that WV could beat Kansas, but I wonder about your comments. To knock Kansas because they “almost lost” to A&M and Cornell is a bit ridiculous. Texas A&M is a top 25 team and KU played them on the road on a Big Monday. They didn’t play great and still beat a top 25 team on their court. They also beat a Cornell team that has been in and out of the rankings this year. I would put them on par with a Louisville – a team that you wouldn’t want to play in the post season, but not a great team. Kansas still ended up with a win while Syracuse lost to UL.
Your comment that the Big 12 is a so-so conference smacks of ignorance. As a Notre Dame fan, I tend to think that the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. With that being said the Big 12 is the #1 ranked conference by RPI, 5 teams ranked in the top 25 (tied with the Big East for the most), and they have the best record against teams in the power 6 conferences (28-12). The ACC is second with a 24-21 record…its not even close.
As I said, I don’t doubt that WVU could beat KU, but don’t kid yourself…Kansas would beat them 8 out of 10 times. Its easy to find flaws in every team, but when your worst criticism is that they “almost lost” to top 25 teams, then that’s not saying alot.

by ndirishfan on Feb 20, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

seeding

I think and hope for a #2 seed, at worse a #3 seed. Less pressure and attention for the #2 & #3 seeds. We can fly under the radar and hopefully get to the regional final at a minimum. Once there we can hope the #1 seed has already been taken out or pray for a favorable match-up. I still think we are at a disadvantage to a team with big wide body post players, much like UCONN last year.

Been a great ride so far and have really enjoyed watching the team thus far. I think this is finally the year we go to the final four!!!

by John Baker on Feb 19, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

We might fly under the radar to the media and fans as a #2 or #3.

And no doubt we’ll be the least popular final four pick of the #1’s if we get a top seed, but I don’t really care about any of those things. I don’t think this team will be flying under opponents’ radars no matter what they’re seeded.

by rcpratt on Feb 19, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

7-10 seeds look pretty similar

Good teams, but nobody stands out. Any one could move up/down. The S-curve also means that if we’re #4 or #5 overall, it doesn’t matter as we likely play #5/#4 for the final 4—if, of course, we get that far.

So the difference between #1 and #2 seems like details, given that the top 2 overall seeds are probably locked up—Kansas&Kentucky.

by Beavis Beefcake on Feb 20, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The rest of their schedule is a lot tougher

They play five teams currently in the top 60. Indiana and Penn State really brings ours down.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 20, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

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