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Another Step Forward

Bathing in the miasma of the morning after I am trying to figure out if last night was a good win. I think I am in the same place as J Money. The box score tell us that everything was as it should be. We placed four players in double figures, beat a decent mid-major on its home court by 18, and won the key statistical categories. As J states and I alluded to yesterday, there was the added bonus of winning convincingly when we were getting a team's best shot in their biggest home game of the year. That can't be discounted.

Still, even in watching us pull ahead last night I couldn't help but think something was off about this team. The easy scapegoat is the Hummel factor, which will be thrown in our face all year unless we end up hoisting the National Championship trophy in April. Another is the Kramer factor. I buy into this more, because one commenter in the Open Thread last night mentioned that we don't have the same intensity. I can definitely see that, but it feels like we lost more intensity than just Kramer.

There is definitely cause for some concern so far. I saw several comments last night about how this team would struggle against most Big Ten teams that can double-down on JaJuan Johnson. It is hard to gauge where we would stand up compared to the rest of the conference right now. Minnesota had some good moments, but gacked at home against Virginia. Michigan State is clearly struggling, although against very good teams. Illinois has looked good, but far from invincible. The same is true with Wisconsin. Only Ohio State has looked incredible so far.

Therefore, it gives me comfort that we are not the only team in the conference searching for something more at the moment. I would rather look dull and uninterested right now in mid-December than in mid-January. There is still time to pull things together and get sharp. If these struggles now lead to sharpness down the road, I will take it. That's what this portion of the season is all about.

Star-divide

Positives from the Valparaiso Game:

Kelsey Barlow and Lewis Jackson - I have talked about Barlow being a 30/70 player. 30% of him is amazing, while 70% drives us crazy. Tonight was a very welcome reverse of that. He still had some frustrating moments, but when he decided to drive the lane with authority it was impressive. A prime example was his one-handed and-1 dunk in the closing minutes. That type of athleticism is exactly what we need from him. I still say we can play him at the four and tell him to clean up the offensive glass because he can do it better than anyone on the team.

As for LewJack, you can't ask for a much better line out of him than 11 points, 6 rebounds (from the smallest guy on the floor), four assists, four steals, and only two turnovers. He's been a surprisingly effective rebounder of late. He has rebounded and scored much like I do, where he flashes in, grabs an offensive rebound, and puts it in before people realize he is there. Even if he does it once a game it is still demoralizing for an opponent.

Best of all, these guys are looking to score now. We need them to look to score if the motion offense is going to be anything more than the "run around and wait for E'Twaun or JJ to do something" offense. The old saying of "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" is true. They aren't taking jumpers, but driving scores count the same. I'll leave jumpers to E'Twaun, The Love Pump, and Byrd.

Ryne Smith - He still passed up a few open looks, but nine points on 3 of 4 shooting from long range is a very good night from him. It shows he can be effective when in the game and it loosens things up for JJ in the middle.

D.J. Byrd - He was ugly within five feet of the basket, but seven points in 23 minutes is a start to coming back. I think he can do the most Hummel-like things for us. He's not afraid to rebound. He can pass the ball effectively, and he can shoot the three. I saw one of his final high school games where he as the best player on the court by far, but did all of his scoring (12 points) in a six minute stretch. The rest of the time he was passing, rebounding, and playing defense while getting everyone else involved. This was all about a week after minor surgery for a torn meniscus. Doesn't this sound like Hummel?

E'Twaun Moore - I think it is a sign of just how good Smooge is when he pours in 23 points, yet we're talking about others before him. I should add that it was an almost effortless 23, with several, "F*** it, I'm scoring because I'm the best player on the floor" moments. We're only going to have success in the Big Ten with several "by the way, E'Twaun had 23" games. We know he's going to be dropping 15-25 every night because we won't have a chance if he doesn't. The others will be the difference makers unless E'Twaun has an especially explosive game.

Rebounding - Any game where we win the rebounding battle is a good one. Technically, even Patrick Bade got a board.

Playing on the road - It may not seem like much, but we now have a pair of true road victories. One came against a solid major conference opponent, the other in a hyped up venue against a good mid-major. After seeing how flat we were in Chicago I can tell this team plays better in front of crowds.

Second half defense - Brandon Wood had himself a ballgame in the first half. Coach Painter then made some adjustments and we essentially removed him from the ballgame after halftime. I love seeing that we can still do this even in the absence of Kramer. I also like seeing that Wood has grown greatly as a player since his days at KHS. He is going to be a nightmare for the Horizon League to defend.

Negatives from the Valparaiso game:

The Hanson Brothers - The good news is that Travis Carroll got some run and even played good defense to force a travel on the one time he had to active guard a guy. He has shown the best fundamental of the three Hansons. The bad news is that we still didn't get him the ball even once down low to see what he could do. He's getting position, but we're not giving it to him to see if he can at least draw a foul or something. As for the other Hansons, Bade got a rebound in his one minute, proving he hasn't been abducted by a cartel. Sandi Marcius bulled his way to a shot attempt that was short, but I liked the physicality he showed there.

I keep calling for it, but these guys will only get better with minutes on the floor. We've got to give them each some run in the next few games even if it means living with their mistakes. Maybe even Bade will read our comments about him and snap Private Pyle-style, shave his head, develop an attitude, and start talking to the basketball. It worked for Pyle and he became a great marksman. On second thought, we don't need him completely breaking down, killing Matt Painter with a basketball in the locker room, then taking himself out. Bad idea on my part.

Terone Johnson - He had a very freshman-like night, but it will come around for him.

Final Thoughts:

All told, this was a positive step forward. We shot better than 50% from the field and had less than half our points scored by JJ and E'Twaun. The only major issue is the one that continues to plague us (developing low post depth) but I continue to hold out hope that it will come in time. We keep wearing teams down defensively. That will be hard to do in Big Ten play, but we're still building for something more here. I think coach Painter knows this.

I am fine with not looking sharp right now as long as we keep taking steps toward something more. We still should be 15-1 heading to Minnesota. January 13 is when we need to start looking like a finished product. I am confident Matt Painter will have things looking better by then. Besides, we're already in an envious position if we're griping about an 18 point road win over a good team.

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Barlow and LewJack

I really like what we saw out of them last night. LewJack kept passing up on open jumpers though, if he had some kind of mid range game he would be an excellant PG.

Barlow looked like a man among children. He almost had two posterizing dunks on the night, but lost the handle on the first one.

Terone, calm down. You’re supposed to suck your first year.

by MaC Hammer on Dec 8, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

LewJack

Remember when we played Washington’s Isaiah Thomas – he’s basically the same size as LewJack but drives to the basket a ton (and has a 3 point shot). I’d like to see LewJack drive more, he’s so quick and is great off the dribble – I think he’ll still get more assists AND add 6-10 pts a game.

by MadisonBoiler on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right... It was kind of a strange game...

One of the things you didn’t note in your Lew Jack/Barlow write-up was how well they played off of each other. This was the first time we had them together in a game for extended minutes and they showed great chemistry, while doing great job of creating off of one another. I think they need to play together a bit more.

On the bright side, while the first half was ugly and we looked uninterested, the second half I believe was one of our most complete halves of basketball this season. The light really seemed to click on when we were down 4 or 5 with about 3 to go in the first half. It was the proverbial “Oh were losing? We aren’t supposed to be losing! Ok… better start getting things together now” moments.

Finally, I almost like the fact we played a smaller rotation of players. I thought it allowed some of our role guys to develop an actual offensive rhythm. I understand why Painter subs so much with his defensive philosophy but at times I really think its a buzz-kill to our offense.

We are starting to work out the kinks and there is still plenty of time to bang a few more dents out.

by boilerup86 on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

Hanson Bros.

I think Painter has his mind made up that we’re going to live or die going small. It’s pretty obvious given their PT in the soft part of the schedule, that the Hanson Bros. are not going to play a significant role this year.

by Hummel's figurines on Dec 8, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

JJ double team

I think it was great that we played a team who was so effective against JJ. We stopped doing our normal feed and watch in the 2nd half so I think it was a good learning experience. Next time the team will understand after the first or second turnover to stop playing that way instead of the fourth.

by mastertim on Dec 8, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

The Marx Brothers

I share your concern for establishing a low post presence and I would like to include concern for the PG position as well.

BTM – In your opinion why hasn’t MattyP allowed “The Hanson Brothers”, let’s go binary, to establish their games to determine if they are able to compete in the Big Ten and subsequently aid in a National Championship? In this day and age, there is no harm releasing players from their scholarships especially players who are not living up to their abilities or coaches expectations. Players and Coaches both leave programs for numerous reasons and one valid reason would be if that program is not living up to expectations.

Are you aware that during Dave Shondell tenure as Purdue Volleyball head coach we have beaten 22 Top 25 teams, including five Top 10 opponents? Do you know the statistic for Coach Tiller, Coach Keady and Coach Painter?

Merry Christmas and Hammer Down

by 85Boiler on Dec 8, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

I liked seeing Byrd take a mid-range jumper late in the game.

We need more of that from him, Smith, and Hart. Can’t just stand behind the arc all game.

by rcpratt on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe,

just maybe, TJ should come off the bench instead of starting like he was in the beginning of the year. I like TJ and was thoroughly impressed with him in his first couple outings, but his shot is not falling at all. It may serve him better to not worry about starting but playing relief instead until the shots begin to fall and he gets his confidence back.

by carlandybob on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

I agree. He makes some great moves, shoots some good shots but they don’t fall, so he loses his confidence for the rest of that game, and so does Painter it seems.

by MadisonBoiler on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Second

He is shooting 15% from the field in the last 5 games, which really hurts. He adds in other areas but having him come off the bench might calm him down while he builds confidence.

by TheBox on Dec 8, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll tell you what we're missing...

It’s been glaringly obvious to me all season…

A true leader.

A vocal leader.

That guy that everyone “just knows” is the leader. We all know who that guy was…Robbie. If Kramer was still here, I believe he would have been that guy, this year.

Is a true leader going to emerge on this team? I still don’t have an answer to that question, unfortunately.

On Barlow:

He was my pick to have the breakout season this year. Up Until last night, I saw none of it. Yes, he is extremely frustrating to watch, especially when he flies down the court, reckless as can be, and the ball goes flying over the backboard (well, I am exagerrating a little). Last night we saw a couple of those, but at the end I saw some flashes of brilliance.

Is he finally coming together???

by Boiler Buck on Dec 8, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Kramer was a leader by his work ethic

But def. not a vocal leader in the locker room.

by Purdue_Pete on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me?

Or wasn’t Bade’s off-season development REALLY encouraging? He wasn’t exactly a star last year, but I saw a LOT of potential in him. After him dropping weight and adding muscle, I really thought he was going to be a nice compliment to JJ. I know he didn’t play that great in the very early part of the season, but WHY has he been riding the bench SO much? It almost feels like something is wrong and nobody is talking about it. (something discipline related, maybe a nagging injury, etc.) I just don’t understand how he’s not seeing 8-12 minutes a game to at least mix things up. The Hanson Brothers are never going to get better if they aren’t being developed now. There just won’t be the opportunities down the road.

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by chevys10 on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think he's injured

I think it’s more likely that he’s not a Big Ten caliber player. Someone mentioned in a previous story that Travis Carroll passes the eye test, meaning he still has a ways to go but you can see that potential in him and that some day he could develop into a pretty good player. Frankly I don’t see any of that in Bade. I don’t believe it really matters how much weight he drops or muscle he adds, he simply isn’t talented enough to compete for minutes. My guess is that Painter knows this, and we are seeing the result in that Bade isn’t getting any minutes.

by Boylemaker88 on Dec 8, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I was I who questioned intensity...

I want THIS 40 minutes EVERY night. Even when we play Saint Mary Mother of the Sick Children College for the Deaf and Blind.

by DTownBoilermaker on Dec 8, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

If I remember right, Lickliter made that shot

And I had to listen to people talk about how he “schooled” Kramer for 3 weeks.

by HawkeyeBoiler on Dec 8, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't you trust Painter?

I keep hearing “Why aren’t the Hanson Bros. playing? How are they going to develop if they don’t get court time?” Don’t you think Painter knows this? The simple answer is, he already knows what they are capable of both current and future. He seems to still hold out some for Carroll but IMO the jury is still out. I think we would be lucky to have one of these guys become a regular rotation player at any point in their careers. Probably the best thing for all parties would be transfers or releasing scholarships.

by Hummel's figurines on Dec 8, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Trust?

I am curious on why a coach would recruit a player and not play them or not release a player who doesn’t meet his expectations. Or does a coach recruit practice players?

by 85Boiler on Dec 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Early commits

When today’s recruiting practices require obtaining commitments from players during their sophomore year of HS, it’s always possible that a player just doesn’t pan out. Or, I think what may have happened with Bade is that compared to other members of his class he was ahead showed more potential, but just has plateaued and this is as good as he’ll get.

BTFU!

by BoilerAdam on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Until they grow up, they're like popcorn in the pan

Some pop…..some don’t.

(apologies to Jerry Maguire)

"Never ruin a good story with the truth"

by boilerslim on Dec 8, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Marcius sort of passes the eye test

He has hte physical size, but is clearly a project.

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by BoilerTMill on Dec 8, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Brad Miller

was the same way. Freshman year he was not very physical and didn’t look good. But he got better and better. For some it takes rme and patience.

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by Docjay00 on Dec 9, 2010 3:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

At any point in their careers?????

It’s pretty common for bigs to struggle as freshmen. Purdue has a storied history or centers who didn’t start great but grew up to be special.

I think it’s a little ridiculous to write any of them out just yet.

by Purdue_Pete on Dec 8, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Lost on offense

Carroll and Marcius look lost on offense. Painter screams “move, move, move” and they just start running around and setting picks on random players at random angles. To me it does look like they have the physical tools and position well for rebounds so I haven’t given up on them at all. Also some of you act like a few minutes of game time is really going to make or break these guys. Practice is where they will do most of their improvement.

by mastertim on Dec 8, 2010 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

Those two, to me, seem like it just hasn’t clicked for them yet. But in a sense that it will some day. I watch those two and it feels like they are trying to get to where they need to be, they just need some more time and work.

With Bade, I’m not getting that feeling. Last year was a mess for him, and other than his physical changes, I’m not seeing anything that says that this year will be different. I don’t know if he’s plateaued, if he’s just not ready, or if he just doesn’t have the ability, but I don’t see things getting better.

Personally, I just trust Painter to know who can make plays and who can’t. And if Bade isn’t playing, my belief would be that he isn’t stepping up to show that he deserves to in Painter’s eyes.

by AustinP0027 on Dec 8, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed this too

A couple games ago Carroll was setting picks on players far from the action that were the wrong angles.

by TheBox on Dec 8, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Freshman Picks and Pops

I saw Carrol set a pick on one of the Valpo players standing from his seat on the bench.

Carroll will be a solid contributor before Painter is done with him. Bade is a waste of good dorm food, but now that I remember, the dorm food isn’t that great. Marcius is raw meat, but so is Sushi.

Is there a trading deadline in the Big Ten? Can we trade a couple of Hansons and get a 6’9" defensive specialist, who loves to hit the boards?

by Boilers2Indy on Dec 10, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

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